Again, labor and capital can never be reconciled as long as labor persists in thinking that there is a capitalist point of view and capitalists that there is a labor point of view. There is not. These are imaginary wholes which must be broken up before capital and labor can cooperate. Or when you label a man a farmer or an artisan and then treat him as if his action tendencies were all farmer or artisan you make a grave mistake. You have to break him up into a number of things, I mean of course a number of activities. Parts, aspects, factors, elements — all these words are too static; we must differentiate into activities. The man sitting next me on a certain board represented the public. Have you a preconceived idea that the man who represents the public represents social interests. This man was part owner of a leather business, he was president of a bank and it was a year (1919) when the scarcity of money and the difficulty of getting credit affected more than usual the relation between banker and employer; he was a Mason, he was a member of the Presbyterian church, etc. All these things influenced him.