Talk:Cricket/Archive 1

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My feeling is that lists in general (of countries, people, and the like) should either be in some particular order, or else in alphabetical order. Thus it would make sense to list:

  • Australia, England, Sri Lanka (alphabetical order)
  • England, Australia, Sri Lanka (historical order - England started playing it first)
  • Sri Lanka, England, Australia (most players first)

or whatever. In this context it's a very minor matter, I guess, but in more controversial areas it probably matters a good deal. I imagine that, somewhere, there is a page setting out policy on this. Tannin

Surely the Ashes are a form of Test Cricket? Seems a bit misleading as it is. Bagpuss 00:57 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)

Bravo to Lord Emsworth and others for making this page the masterpiece that it now is. Lisiate 07:21, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I've moved all cricketer names from this page to List of cricketers. I deleted from this page only those that didn't have an article on them. We need to keep only 4-5 "most famous" names here and delete the rest. The page is too long already and Wikipedia is complaining. Jay 09:35, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Having added some more cricketers before reading this comment, I agree and have deleted them all and just put in a cross reference -- ALoan 11:00, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Is it still two minutes to be timed out in test cricket, I thought it was changed to three. SimonMayer 22:30, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

You are correct; Law 31 provides that 3 minutes be permitted to incoming batsmen. -- Lord Emsworth 02:59, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)
Indeed - have edited -- ALoan 11:00, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

I have created a website teaching newcomers about how cricket matches are played. The site is http://cricketlearn.tripod.com . If any author wishes to copy content site my site and add it to wikipedia, feel free to do so. I refuse to modify the content of wikipedia due to ethical reasons. Nicholas Alphonso

I have emailed the creator of the site requesting confirmation that the above is a genuine post and not someone just claiming to be Mr. Alphonso. Please bear with me whilst I wait for a response. SimonMayer 21:41 30 Jan 2004 (GMT/UTC)
The creator of the website returned this email to me

Hi Simon, Yes its true. I have given my permission to add content from my site http://cricketlearn.tripod.com cause I want to help out in the wiki project.

-- Best regards, 

Nicholas Alphonso
So it seems like we can use this site whenever. SimonMayer 01:30 01 Feb 2004 (GMT/UTC)

It seems to me that there would be a lot of benefit in separate articles relating to the development of cricket in each of the major countries. I'll have a go at something on Indian cricket. --ALargeElk 17:07, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The Champion's Trophy, also known as the ICC Knockout Cup, is held every four years in between World Cups. In the Champion's Trophy, a single loss eliminates a team from the tournament.

The first ICC Knockout was held at Dhaka 1998, The second 2000 Kenya and The third 2002 Sri Lanka. So the gap is 2 years and not four. Unless there is a new rule about it?!! If there is no change another one should be held in 2004. Let me see...

Ok, got it England will host the 2004 Champions Trophy and India the 2006 trophy. Now I might as well edit the article.

Made a couple of changes to the article:

  • Added a piece about the 5 run penalty for hitting a spare helmet on the field
  • Changed "immigrants of cricketing nations" to "immigrants from cricketing nations" as this seems to make more sense to me - as long as this is intended to mean situations like cricket being played in New York by people of West Indian origin?

Also made a slight change to the part about the informal organisation of Test cricket - certainly used to be the casebut surely this is now inconsitent with the existence of the ICC Test championship.

All in all a great article - be gentle with me as this is my first edit!Baggie 13:18, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

It is worth making the distinction between the ball hitting a helmet (automatic 5 run penalty) and hitting another article of clothing (only a 5 run penalty, AIUI, if it counts as the fielder fielding with something "other than his person")? See Law 41. -- ALoan 11:00, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Changed the first para to reflect the fact that South Asian countries do not play cricket in summer as we might understand it - in fact in India the main competitions are played in Northern Hemisphere winter months. It's fair to say that Indians would prefer to play all year round if they could, but for the extreme heat of summer and the monsoon.

Also, we can go further than just saying it's the major summer sport in some countries - again in South Asia it's pretty much the only sport anybody cares about, to the extent that newspapers have pages for main news, sport news, and cricket news, not necessarily in that order! Given that this part of the world represents a huge chunk of the global population, doesn't this make cricket a mass popularity sport despite its apparent lack of exposure in some parts of the world?--Baggie 08:03, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Cricket has more followers than any sport in the world except soccer. It is, in a very real sense, the second-biggest sport in the world. The big American sports are much more restricted geographically. dmmaus 02:38, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
Have edited slightly - hope my changes are ok? -- ALoan 11:00, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia complains that this page is about 4k too long. To reduce its length, I propose to move Balls per over in Test cricket to Test cricket and to move International structure of cricket to a new page. Not sure if this would be enough to get the page below 34k, but these seem to be the best bits to move. Anyone object or have any better ideas? -- ALoan 11:15, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

I was planning to break cricket statistics into a separate page, much like baseball statistics. I think I'll go ahead and do it. :-) I think this cricket page really needs a lot of work on a cleaner structure. Your proposed moves also make sense, especially the balls per over. dmmaus 22:32, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
Actually, I moved the balls per over part to Over (cricket) since it makes more sense there. I'm also thinking the ICC Test and ODI championship stuff should be moved somewhere. Might do that after the server maintenance. dmmaus 00:56, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
Fine - thanks. Amongst other general tidying, I have deleted most of International structure of cricket and moved to International structure of cricket. -- ALoan 11:02, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Some more big changes today. I've made the introduction paragraph more relevant to the style used in other sports articles, added a photo I took (we need more photos - unfortunately most are copyrighted by media orgs), and moved the origins material to a new History of cricket article - which needs some filling out. Also created off side and leg side articles, which some things needed. Still a lot of work to be done generally tidying up the structure of the main article. The rules explanation is pretty poor, really. dmmaus 00:37, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

The Twenty 20 Cup (is that actually right) section reads like a PR release or an advertisement. Can someone who knows what it means do an NPOV edit? This guy from Kansas probebly isn't right for the job. Rick Boatright 03:59, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

I've been looking at that exact section critically for the past few days. I was planning to move it to a separate page, since it's out of place where it is. It's certainly not the only shorter form of the game played in the world, and should probably be listed amongst others such as Cricket Max and the Hong Kong Sixes, and so on, on a page of their own. An NPOV edit certainly wouldn't go astray at the same time. I'll get on it, unless someone beats me to it. dmmaus 08:56, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Started a new page at bat (cricket) - it needs a lot more! - MPF 23:11, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

And now I discover it already has a page cricket bat - I'll make mine a redirect . . . but why is there no link to cricket bat anywhere on the cricket page? One should be put in somewhere! - MPF 23:25, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

We seem to be having a bit of a format war for the definition lists of the methods of getting out, the extras, and so on. Personally, I prefer the definition format with the definition indented beyond the lead word:

WordToBeDefined
blah blah blah.
AnotherWord
blah blah blah.

Obviously someone else doesn't! Can we please settle on a format and then leave it? Consider this a vote to return to this definition format. --dmmaus 22:31, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Indeed - I agree. I have been converting to that format when the opportunity arises since I found that it existed (last week!) - see the changes I made to cricket terminology on 26 May. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:26, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It's OK when the heading of a definition is bold, as it should be. But for the terms mentioned under dismissals and extras, the entire definition was bold, too. It made it look unclear and hard to tell one definition from the next. I changed it so that only the heading was bold. I think it looks clearer now.Jam2k 15:11, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
This seems to be a "feature" of the way that definition-style lists with bold text are rendered by different skins. You seem to need to put spaces around the second colon. Compare:
WordToBeDefined
blah blah blah.
AnotherWord
blah blah blah.
and:
WordToBeDefined
blah blah blah.
AnotherWord
blah blah blah.
I hope I have fixed the lists in the article so that they work now? -- ALoan (Talk) 17:07, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Going right back to the very first comment on this talk page, I have added a HTML comment to the article above the top paragraph outlining the fact that countries are listed in order of Test status. It seems to be not unusual for people to swap the orders of countries - particularly India and Pakistan - out of a misplaced sense of patriotism. We should keep an eye out for this. --dmmaus 22:13, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)