Talk:Great Hacker War

Los tios que escribieron esta pagina son uns frikis, como wikipedia puede mantener esta pagina y no considerarla absurda, es idiota, la gran guerra hacker? además el que lo escribe parece como si estuviera asiendo un resumen de un puto dibujo o comic, como si todos concieran a los tios que participaron alli que gilipollada……………………… —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luiselmas0 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]



There seems to be a lot of emotionally loaded language and first person perspective used here, it seems in need of a good editing. Josh Parris ✉ 00:09, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

- Well, it was an emotional war. Many phones were disconnected. Many slurs and epitaphs were spoken. Conferences were had and wiretapped. In its wake, a couple phones were programmed to be 1CF. War is hell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.159.189 (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Masters of Deception not only deserves a seperate article, but the main article itself needs expanding. --70.240.225.29 22:03, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Masters of Deception has a separate article. You're right, though, this article needs work. --Myles Long 23:36, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I lied. Masters of Deception used to have its own article. It probably should again. --Myles Long 23:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made some edits to this page based on conversation with those involved. Although quite factual, it could use another small pass to correct some grammar, tense, and perspective. --Netw1z 12:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to help bring this page up in quality. Any good sources out there? Maybe some old issues of Phrack or 2600 or something? --circuitloss 02:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The condensed information here is quite factual. Phrack was a LOD-freindly publication that even resumed publication under Chris Goggans, which chose to censure MOD. Unforuantely some of the most intersting stories from the Hacker Underground are just that... underground. This particular story was documented on both sides in the book Masters of Deception — The Gang that Ruled Cyberspace (ISBN 0060926945) , and this has some additional information from sources involved or familiar with the conflict. --Netw1z 02:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made the names of the hackers consistent, since it kept switching back and forth between given names and aliases. From an outsider's perspective, it gets confusing hearing that Erik Bloodaxe is doing one thing while Chris Goggans is doing another.--Miss Dark 18:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added a link to Lex Luthor's lengthy letter about this topic, on the cypherpunks list and added a second paragraph to the opening. Please correct this if it's wrong, but in every account I have read about this "war" from both sides of the conflict, all of it seems to be Chris Goggans vs. the world. I see no comments from or about any other LOD member. Was this really LOD vs. MOD or Erik Bloodaxe vs. everybody he had problems with, which seems to be a lot of people. Or do you mean the "new LOD" which was Goggans company? Even there in the comments here, it reads like everyone had problems with what Goggans was doing and I can find no references online to anyone in the "new LOD" or otherwise, taking Goggans side. There are either negative comments or total silence, the closest anyone gets to defending Goggans is Lex Luthor who doesn't even do that, just spends many paragraphs distancing himself from all of it TrancedOut 01:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've deleted the link to Lex Luthor's post-Geat Hacker War rant on cypherpunk. The link didn't work, but I read it via a cache in google. The article in question is barely worthy of a link and it clearly can't be a basis for what happened in the War. His letter is ultimately about him and not the Great Hacker War - it seeks to minimize the War because he was not involved. He also admits to knowing nothing about the details of The Great Hacker War. He spends most of the time trying to clean up the image of LOD as ethical hackers, when in reality, they were doing the same actions as MOD or any other hackers of the time - just on a smaller scale. He also heaps praise on Mitnick for wiretapping while at the same time heaping scorn on MOD for having mastered the same ability at a magnitude greater than Mitnick. This also reveals his bias in that going over the indictments for MoD and Mitnick - Mitnick used hacking for personal gain unethnicall constantly - while MoD only was charged with conspiracy to wiretap (access devices). The only clear indictation is that Mitnick and MoD were hands on hackers - and Lex Luthor is the guy famous for manually typing in Bell System Documentation he found in the garbage into a text file and signing his name at the bottom. I would offer to you TrancedOut to replace the link if you can find a working one - but the mailing list post is more like a Swift Boat Attack than anything factual to base this article on.