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Here's a handwaving order-of-magnitude argument for the probability of ley lines.

Consider a set on n points in an area with approximate diameter d. Consider a valid line to be one where every point is within distance w/2 of the line (that is, lies on a track of width w.

Consider all the unordered sets of k points from the n points, of which there are

What is the probability that any given set of points is co-linear in this way? Let's very roughly consider the line between the "leftmost" and "rightmost" two points of the k selected points (for some arbitary left/right axis: we can choose top and bottom for the exceptional vertical case). For each of the remaining points, the probability that the point is "near enough" to the line is roughly w/d. Write ε = w/d

So, the expected number of k-point ley lines is very roughly

So, set w = 50m, d = 30 km, (pencil line on an OS map) thus ε = 0.001666...

Then, we can tabulate the expected number of k-point lines found in a single map as follows:


w = 50m, d = 30 km
k       n      expected points
3 from  10:    0.20
4 from  10:    0.00
5 from  10:    0.00
6 from  10:    0.00
7 from  10:    0.00
3 from  20:    1.90



4 from  20:    0.01
5 from  20:    0.00
6 from  20:    0.00
7 from  20:    0.00
3 from  50:   32.67
4 from  50:    0.64
5 from  50:    0.01
6 from  50:    0.00
7 from  50:    0.00
3 from  60:   57.03
4 from  60:    1.35
5 from  60:    0.03
6 from  60:    0.00
7 from  60:    0.00
3 from  70:   91.23
4 from  70:    2.55
5 from  70:    0.06
6 from  70:    0.00
7 from  70:    0.00
3 from 100:  269.50
4 from 100:   10.89
5 from 100:    0.35
6 from 100:    0.01
7 from 100:    0.00
3 from 200: 2189.00
4 from 200:  179.68
5 from 200:   11.74
6 from 200:    0.64
7 from 200:    0.03

Notice the rapid increase of the number of expected lines with n.

Ley line proponents generally view five point ley lines as definitive proof that a line is real. Note that as there are roughly 400 OS maps covering the UK, if there were 50 points in each, there would be an expected 256 4-point leys and 4 five-point leys found nationally.

Increasing the value of w dramatically increases the number of expected lines on a single map, with effects that increase with the value of k.

Increasing the size of a map will increase d, thus reducing ε, but will increase n: for example, if a 30 km map has 50 points, a 60 km map with the equivalent density of significant points will have 200, although it will have a value of ε that is half of that for the 30 km map.

w = 50m, d = 60 km
3 from 100:  134.75
4 from 100:    2.72
5 from 100:    0.04
6 from 100:    0.00
7 from 100:    0.00
3 from 150:  459.42
4 from 150:   14.07
5 from 150:    0.34
6 from 150:    0.01
7 from 150:    0.00
3 from 200: 1094.50
4 from 200:   44.92
5 from 200:    1.47
6 from 200:    0.04
7 from 200:    0.00
3 from 250: 2144.17
4 from 250:  110.34
5 from 250:    4.52
6 from 250:    0.15
7 from 250:    0.00
3 from 300: 3712.58
4 from 300:  229.72
5 from 300:   11.33
6 from 300:    0.46
7 from 300:    0.02

Note how the probability of finding a 5-point ley on the 60km map with n=200 is much more than four times that of finding a 5-point ley on the 30km map with n=50. With 100 such maps nationally, the expected national number of 4-point leys would be 4492, with 147 5-point leys.

Combining all these 100 maps into a single national map 600 km in "diameter" containing 20,000 points gives the following expected number of leys:

3 from 20000: 111094445.00
4 from 20000: 46282408.68
5 from 20000: 15424384.07
6 from 20000: 4283479.99
7 from 20000: 1019570.23
8 from 20000: 212336.12
9 from 20000: 39305.78
10 from 20000: 6548.01
11 from 20000:  991.63
12 from 20000:  137.65