Talk:Luan Da

Luan Da has been listed as one of the Philosophy and religion good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Article milestones Date Process Result July 28, 2008 Good article nominee Listed August 16, 2008 Featured article candidate Not promoted August 29, 2008 Featured article candidate Not promoted November 13, 2008 Peer review Reviewed January 3, 2009 Featured article candidate Not promoted A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on July 9, 2008. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Luan Da of the Han Dynasty was granted 2,000 households to rule over due to his practice of mediumship? Current status: Good article

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Luan Da/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

I plan to review this article. I understand and agree with your comments regarding the criteria. Robert Skyhawk (Talk) 03:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have read the article, and have mixed feelings about its status. For one, there are numerous grammatical, spelling, and prose errors, which are as follows:

Note:Done and Not Done status reflect whether the issue has been fixed in the article. If you fix anything indicated below, you may change the status of the issue.

• Background section:
  • "early [I]mperial China" doesn't seem specific enough- a year range or dynasty would be much more descriptive.
    •  Done
  • "or perform ritual dances to perform supernatural actions." Use of the word "perform" twice seems redundant.
    •  Done - Rewording is better, I hope.
  • "The emperor Luan Da would eventually be employed by had killed the former court mystic, Shaoweng by poisoning, specifically by horse liver." This makes no sense; it seems like two sentences were accidentaly/improperly combined here.
    •  Done - I've explained and in fact changed the meaning a bit. I hope it's satisfactory now.
• Rise to power section:
  • "Emperor Wu also granted him a marquisate of some 2,000 homes to rule over. He was also given a luxurious mansions..." Again, use of also twice seems redundant.
    •  Done - Reworded.
• Fall from power and death section:
  • "Emperor Wu grew suspicious sent officers to track him down." Should be "grew suspicious and sent"?
    •  Done
  • "They found that he was living Mount Tai" Should be "They found that he was living at Mount Tai"?
    •  Done

Allow me to give my remaining critique using this checklist: GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   As mentioned above, there are several errors here.

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   I am not sure if this article has enough information on its subject to adequately satisfy this criterion.

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   These criterion are invalid since there are no images in the article.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   I am unsure of whether this article meets some of the criterion, and so am putting this nomination on hold. Editors are now encouraged to edit the article, improving the aspects I have critiqued. Once this has been done, please contact me on my talk page and I will happily reassess the article. Editors are more than welcome to use the checklist above to keep track of the improvement.

Thank you very much in advance, and I hope to be able to award this article the Good Article status it is very close to attaining. Robert Skyhawk (Talk) 04:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the problems with the prose, and, furthermore, have given it a copyedit. I entirely forget about images when writing this; sorry. They might be difficult to find, but I'll try to find at least one relevant image suitable to the context. Yes, I am fairly sure the article is comprehensive - three secondary sources and the sole primary source have all been searched, and this article contains all the relevant information. Nousernamesleft (talk) 16:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a single image to the article, which I think is an appropriate number, considering its length. Nousernamesleft (talk) 16:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for correcting these issues. I will now conduct a second review.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   The changes look good; perhaps a few minor things that I will change myself after this is through.

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   I am impressed at the amount of books you used; I usually prefer these over the internet, but they are much harder to come by. Well done.

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   The image is a nice touch, but the lack of an image would not have hindered this article's acceptance. Perhaps I was too vague about that. My fault. Anyway, good job on this image.

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   Congratulations: by my review, this article fits the good article criteria, and is awarded good article status. Well done to User:Nousernamesleft and all other contributors to this article. I will now proceed to award this article GA status and remove it from the nominations list. Robert Skyhawk (Talk) 23:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]