Talk:Swampscott dory

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hey, what's wrong with listing a builder of a boat...? They have more information at their site.

It is also advertising. I don't think their model is particularly true to the Swampscott type either. Of course with so few contemporary illustrations and so many different builders it is hard to argue the point. Having lived a good part of my life in the Swampscott neighborhood I can say I have never seen a dory like their's locally. --Bcooke99 (talk) 01:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of comments.

The final sentence in the first paragraph, "However there are still some other manufacturers of dories of this design, just not in the old locations." Irrelevent. Calling small boatshops "manufacturers" is a bit of a stretch too. These boats are hardly mass produced these days.

The swampscott dory is definitely NOT a derivation of the banks dory. The article quotes John Gardner so I will too. "It has frequently been supposed that the round-sided Swampscott dory ... constitutes a refinement of the fishermans's straight-sided Bank dory, erroneously taken to have been the prior and original dory type. This is definitely not the fact. The knuckle-sided Swampscott dory is too close in resemblance and historical connection to the round-sided colonial wherry, whatever the Swampscott type may have borrowed of the rationalized construction of the mass-produced Bank fishing dories. [John Gardner, "The Dory Book", pg 33, 1987]

Minor edit - the Swampscott dories were not built with "more" rounded sides as the article suggests. The sides of Bank dories are flat. Swampscott dories were built with rounded sides period. Again, Swampscott dories were a development of local wherries not Bank dories which in turn got their shape from French influenced river boats.

"The bottoms are flat but narrow, an almost round bottom". Is the fact that the Swampscott dory's bottom is flat worth mentioning? If the bottom isn't flat then it isn't a dory. A flat bottom is a defining characteristic of a dory along with bottom planks secured lengthwise and the sides generally defined by the natural shape (untwisted, unbent) of a plank.

Is the final paragraph really necessary? The fact that some recreational fishermen who prefer to row rather than motor and some boaters looking for a small but seaworthy craft chose to own Swampscott dories is superfluos.

Also the fact that Swampscott dories have been judged "the aristocrats of dory boats" by John Gardner is hardly note-worthy since he is the only person to have ever said this to my knowledge. It is certainly not a commonly held idea. Bcooke99 (talk) 01:56, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]