Template:Did you know nominations/David Yong

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 19:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

David Yong

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... ~~that David Yong's interest in K-pop started after he took his younger brother to a Twice concert in 2017?~~ Source: https://www.tnp.sg/entertainment/music/singaporean-lawyer-ceo-david-yong-makes-k-pop-debut-signs-mamamoos-agency
- ALT1: ... ~~that Singapore-born businessman and K-Pop singer David Yong invested 10 billion won ($7.5 million USD) to an entertainment agency that faced a legal dispute with its only artist?~~ Source: https://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20240303050161
- ALT2: ... ~~that before Singaporean artist David Yong mounted his music career, he was the chief executive officer of a timber firm?~~ Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Blinking Sam

Created by Tails Wx (talk) and Jeraxmoira (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

~ Tails Wx 00:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: I want to suggest linking "an entertainment agency" and "its only artist" to their respective articles, but not sure if that would be overlinking. Just a thought—otherwise all looks good. I prefer ALT0, just waiting for QPQ now. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 01:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I did consider linking those terms, but ultimately decided not to because of the aforementioned reason. QPQ now done. Thanks for the review, Bsoyka! ~ Tails Wx 20:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Works for me—here's the beautiful green stamp of approval. Great work here! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 21:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
I don't know if DYK?again is the right icon to use here, but a question popped up on my talk page which might affect this nom, so I'll just copy that to this page and let the conversation continue here. RoySmith (talk) 20:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

moved from User Talk:RoySmith#How adverse is DYK...

... in promoting a BLP hook when there is new (negative) development? While this is regarding a specific DYK nom, I generally have been inactive in the DYK area hence a lack of knowledge of the norms on DYK reviewing on my part, thus the question here. This is also at no fault of anyone involved in the DYK item thus far. DYK/David Yong was reviewed and approved in July 2024. Almost one month later now in August, he was recently arrested and charged in Singapore for some financial crimes. In this circumstance, will the BLP hook be queued for the Main Page still? If so, which hook will be used? ALT0 or ALT1? – robertsky (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hmmm, interesting question. Are you suggesting a new hook based on this new event, or just wondering how it would affect the currently approved hook(s)? In either case, let me suggest what I think is the best way forward; I can reopen the nomination then you should post your question there where more people can see it. If everybody's happy, somebody will re-approve it. Does that sound like a reasonable plan? RoySmith (talk) 19:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah, @Tails Wx, Jeraxmoira, and Bsoyka: RoySmith (talk) 19:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not leaning in a particular direction here—I support whatever the community decides. I agree that this is probably a good conversation to have on the nomination page. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 19:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Just wondering how it would affect the currently approved hook(s) in general... although a piece of new information does impact on ALT1. Your suggestion is sound and a discussion can be carried out there. – robertsky (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

From the discussion above: I definitely do think that the recent news does impact ALT1, though ALT0 doesn't seem to be impacted by this, other than the mention of Yong. The reviewer, Bsoyka, did prefer ALT0, and I almost don't see a problem with it being accepted, other than given the recent news on Yong's financial problems, which does make me re-think that for a bit. ~ Tails Wx 03:06, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:DYKBLP suggests avoiding undue attention on contentious information, but negative developments do not disqualify a subject from being on DYK as long as BLP and other guidelines/policies are followed. As long as the article is updated, and given how Yong is not primarily known for the recent incident, I can't see how the latest incident should prevent this from being promoted with ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

My only concern is ALT1. I am ambivalent about the rest. – robertsky (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't find ALT0 interesting either @Tails Wx:. My suggestion would be something along the lines of "that before David Yong mounted a music career, he had been the chief executive officer of a timber firm".--Laun chba ller 07:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I've rephrased your suggested hook a bit and added ALT2 above. ~ Tails Wx 03:37, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Then we need another reviewer to tick it off.--Laun chba ller 07:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm unsure about the timeframe for ALT2. Yong is cited as expanding EGH beyond timber trading "early in his career" but no date is stated. He is cited as starting a music career in 2021, but is that definitively later than "early in his career". The wording is not ideal here. I have struck ALT1 since it is negative in aspect. I have struck ALT0 since it is boring. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 18:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

User:Flibirigit, I have updated the early life section. Let me know if it needs more details. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Was Yong the CEO of the timber firm in 2014? The wording is not clear when he became the CEO, and thus not clear if it is before 2021 when he began a music career. Flibirigit (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

ALT3: ...that Singaporean former lawyer David Yong learned Korean and moved to South Korea to become a K-pop ~~star~~ singer? Bremps... 07:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Waiting on a response to my question on ALT2 before going ahead with ALT3. Flibirigit (talk) 11:34, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

comment: the personal life section says that he lives in the tallest tower in Seoul. the source used to support it is... interesting:

The Beatles sang this song ages ago, and when you see David Yong all peacocked up in Celine jackets, and see his story unravel in front of us, you feel sorry for him. He’s a Singaporean living in Korea, and says his family has timber businesses in Cambodia and other SE Asian countries. He has opened an Entertainment business in Korea (since K-dramas are internationally big). He lives in the tallest tower in Seoul, has designer clothing on racks, designer bags in his living room and yes a money counting machine.

is this really a good source? it doesn't even say what the tallest tower is. ltbdl☃ (talk) 13:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

The source is vague, and the corresponding wording in Wikipedia is also vague but true to the source. There's no problem. Flibirigit (talk) 17:07, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I have struck ALT2 since the concerns have been resolved. I have changed ALT3 to read "singer" instead of "star", since there's no reliable source in the article to say that he is a "star". Flibirigit (talk) 12:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Approving ALT3 as the only remaining hook without concerns noted here. Flibirigit (talk) 12:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)