- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Jack Frost (talk) 11:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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Futures (album)
* ... that disagreements with the pre-production of Futures caused their producer Mark Trombino to leave and be replaced by Gil Norton? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20100904045900/http://www.jimmyeatworld.com/press/10_04_Mean_Street.html , https://consequence.net/2021/07/dissected-jimmy-eat-world-with-jim-adkins/ , https://web.archive.org/web/20041204231436/http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/041130-jimmyeatworld.shtml
Improved to Good Article status by MusicforthePeople (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 13:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC).
- A more specific hook could be
- ALT1 ... that disagreements with the pre-production of Futures caused Jimmy Eat World's producer Mark Trombino to leave and be replaced by Gil Norton? Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This one looks like it's gotten overlooked because someone commented, so I'll start it. Valereee (talk) 16:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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Valereee (talk) 16:49, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Good to go for ALT1, which I agree makes the hook clearer and more interesting. Valereee (talk) 17:00, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
@Onegreatjoke and Valereee: I'm not really sure about this. The hook doesn't seem to be that interesting if you're unfamiliar with Trombino, Norton, or Jimmy Eat World. Maybe a different direction can be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately the average album article doesn't actually have much that's interesting to a non-fan. Some people wrote music and recorded it, and some of the music became popular. It's basically 'people did their jobs'. Notable, but not particularly interesting to anyone who isn't a fan. Changing producers midway is about the only thing out of the ordinary in this subject. Valereee (talk) 14:41, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, but that's not exactly uncommon in the music world (or in entertainment for that matter). Having a change in producer without context isn't necessarily interesting enough for DYK purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately the average album article doesn't actually have much that's interesting to a non-fan. Some people wrote music and recorded it, and some of the music became popular. It's basically 'people did their jobs'. Notable, but not particularly interesting to anyone who isn't a fan. Changing producers midway is about the only thing out of the ordinary in this subject. Valereee (talk) 14:41, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
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Oh, hell...wait a minute. This article isn't new enough. How the heck...? How the heck did I manage that? Failing it. Valereee (talk) 14:47, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Valereee: Actually, the article was nominated as a newly-promoted GA. The article was promoted on October 7th and was nominated for DYK on the 10th, so was still eligible at the time of the nomination. But yeah, my main concern here is really the hook rather than the nomination date. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:57, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Man, I am not firing on all cylinders today lol...I'll support a fail for nothing interesting to say, if there isn't anything to build a hook around, and in this case I don't actually see anything more interesting. I really do think we need to be discouraging nominating an article simply because it's eligible. Valereee (talk) 15:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Valereee: @Narutolovehinata5: Honestly I think i might just withdraw this nomination. When I nominated this back in October 10th I really just wanted to get a DYK out. Personally, I always felt sad that most GAs don't become DYKs so I decided nominate this as what I believe to be my third DYK nomination. Now that I think about, I'm not really proud of this nomination at all as I was grasping for straws trying to get a GA to DYK. It's not like I'm doing something terribly wrong though as my GA to DYK noms of Jennie Scott Griffiths and Betty Hall all got promoted even though I only really nominated them because they were eligible. I am still new to wikipedia as although I created my account in May of this year I only started getting active late august-early september so I'm still new to this whole wikipedia thing. So unless @Musicforthepeople: can pull a hook out of thin air I think you're going to have to fail this nomination. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:57, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Per the above comment it doesn't seem like there is a path forward for the nomination anymore. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:11, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
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- How about:
- ALT2: ... that despite Jimmy Eat World running out of song ideas in pre-production, Rob Sheffield called Futures their "finest album"? Sources: Mean Street Magazine and Rolling Stone. Somebody should verify that I've linked to the right Rob Sheffield. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke, Valereee, and Narutolovehinata5: just want to make sure you saw my proposed hook above so this doesn't get lost on the trash heap. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
I think that sounds okay, but as Valereee is the original reviewer I'd defer to her on the decision. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 21:34, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
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@Valereee: Would you approve Roysmith's suggested hook? Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:16, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
- Could we maybe say that Rolling Stone called it that instead? It wasn't immediately clear to me that Sheffield is independent... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:07, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's even better. ALT2a: ... that despite Jimmy Eat World running out of song ideas in pre-production, Rolling Stone called Futures their "finest album"? Sources: Mean Street Magazine and Rolling Stone. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
for ALT2a. Sorry for the delay, been on the road the past three days. Valereee (talk) 19:30, 30 October 2022 (UTC)