Template:Did you know nominations/Kammerkonzert (Hartmann)

• ... that, inspired by Kodály, Karl Amadeus Hartmann began to compose Kammerkonzert for clarinet, string quartet and string orchestra in 1930, but began inner emigration in 1933 and completed it in 1935? Source: several
  • Reviewed: to come

Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC).

• General eligibility:
• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - n
• Interesting: - n
• Other problems: - Length.

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Article is quite fine; it is long enough and new enough. No copyright violations detected. There is half a good hook in the proposed ALT0. The reference to Kodály should be dropped as it won't mean anything to the average person reading this hook. The implication of a causal relationship between Hartmann's inner emigration and the eventual date of this work's completion isn't quite confirmed in the article. According to this study by Andrew McCredie, the work's composition dates "suggest a long and possibly traumatic Entstehungsgeschich [creation history]", but that this observation cannot be confirmed because there apparently is no surviving documentation in the composer's papers. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Incomplete nomination, QPQ not provided. Z1720 (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: should probably be pinged for something like this. I can give you 24 hours.--Launchballer 01:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I reviewed Kings Theatre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 02:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Alt1:... that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished composing Kammerkonzert in inner emigration, after his music had been banned by the Nazis as degenerate art? Source: [1][2][3] Grimes2 (talk) 14:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Let me take a look at this new ALT and the sources. One moment, please... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Grimes2: This ALT has new problems, the most important being the statement that Hartmann's music was "banned by the Nazis as degenerate art". According to Michael Hans Kater, this never occurred. In the chapter on Hartmann in Composers of the Nazi Era: Eight Portraits, he states (p. 93): "Nor did the [Reichsmusikkammer] or any other Nazi authorities henceforth brand his music 'atonal' or 'degenerate', as some of Hartmann's interpreters have averred." He further stated that Hartmann was evaluated positively by the RMK as late as July 1941. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Alt2: ... that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished composing Kammerkonzert in inner emigration after Hitler's seizure of power? Grimes2 (talk) 20:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Alt2a: ... that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished composing Hungarian flavored Kammerkonzert in inner emigration after Hitler's seizure of power? Grimes2 (talk) 20:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Grimes2 and Gerda Arendt: Both of these new ALTs revisit the same problem with ALT0: they inadvertently imply a causal relationship between the various topics they touch upon. Perhaps there was; it is very likely so, but as McCredie admitted in the aforementioned JSTOR article, lack of documentation makes this impossible to confirm. Is there any way of rewording the hook to state that it was composed during this period of inner emigration, which was a response to the rise of Hitler, but without implying that the Kammerkonzert itself was also a response to this? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)