Template:Did you know nominations/Republica weatbrooki

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 13:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Republica weatbrooki, Republica (plant)

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Republica hickeyi leaf

... that while both are named from the same place, the genus Republica (pictured) is not the genus Republica?

Source: Archibald & Cannings 2021 doi:10.11646/zootaxa.4966.3.11 materials and methods for location data "We examined a single fossil in lacustrine shale recovered from exposure B4131 of the Tom Thumb Tuff Member

of the Klondike Mountain Formation at Republic, Washington, U.S.A."

Wolfe & Wehr 1987 doi:10.3133/b1597 page 2 fig 1 shows the location in Republic of site 8428 of the Klondike Mountain Formation, page 22 gives the genus etymology and 23 the type locality occurrence in Republic

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Buellia aethalea
- Comment: Also reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Calamophyton

Created by Kevmin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 351 past nominations.

Kev min § 00:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: My first time reviewing a dual-article nomination, and I appreciate the effort which must have gone into it!

Both articles moved to mainspace yesterday. QPQ is done. No plagiarism detected via Earwig. For both articles, length, referencing and image licensing are all good. For the insect, I think that the first paragraph of "Description" and of "Paleoenvironment" are both a bit long and ought to be split up a bit, and that "Paleoenvironment" should have at least one image - even the location map over at Klondike Mountain Formation would be really helpful. For the plant, you really should move the distribution images a couple of paragraphs down to avoid MOS:SANDWICH, and the last sentence of the lead is missing a period. Still, I would not hold up the nomination for those reasons alone.

To me, it is the hook which has multiple significant issues. It may not be grammatically correct (shouldn't it be named after the same place, not named from the same place?), it is really confusing and vague, as you have no way to tell what place is actually being referred to without clicking on both links, and I feel that a lot of readers would just say "So what?" when they see it as currently written. Suggested wording: Alt1 "...that extinct plants and damselflies from the Eocene were discovered and named after Republic in Washington?"

I also think that both articles should have a sentence which makes this connection between the two more explicit than the mere hatnote at the top. Lastly, you should at least add DOI and ISBN links to your DYK citations. Right now, there is no way to tell which citation refers to which fossil without going through the articles' references, and we should not have to do that. InformationToKnowledge (talk) 13:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

InformationToKnowledge The hook as written is a play on the hemihomonym use of the genus name Republica for both a plant and an animal, but I like alt1 as well. I've added the dois for each source and a map to Republica weatbrooki, plus added splits in the Description and Paleoenvironment sections. A sentence calling out the hemihomonymy has been added to each article under classification. The image/map placement for Republics (plant) is more problematic though. I edit on a wide screen desktop monitor, and my view of the article has the maps already almost all the way down to the start of References. Ideally I was wanting a single map, but I wasn't able to find one I could make work for the West coast sites plus Alaska.--Kev min § 18:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Taking conciseness into account and a matching the details of the articles:

Alt2 "...that fossil plants (pictured) and damselflies from the Ypresian were named after Republic in Washington state?"

Kevmin OK, that addresses all my concerns. Thanks for the prompt response! InformationToKnowledge (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kevmin and InformationToKnowledge: Whereas the original hook is one of the most eye-catching I have seen in a while, ALT2 is rather averagely dull. Can we not try to get the original to working order? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The information for Alt0 is present in both articles, based on the original descriptions of each.--Kev min § 16:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hopefully the reviewer InformationToKnowledge feels the same. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

We may be waiting a while for them, as they haven't edited since the 14th, and the frequency of edits was tapering off before that.--Kev min § 18:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)