Template talk:Did you know/Approved/week-3

This page transcludes a subset of the nominations found on the page of all the approved nominations for the "Did you know" section of the Main Page. It only transcludes the nominations filed under dates of the fourth-most recent week. The page is intended to allow editors to easily review recent nominations that may not be displaying correctly on the complete page of approved nominations if that page's contents are causing the page to hit the post-expand include size limit.

• ... that Tonia Ko once composed a three-part concerto played on bubble wrap? Source: During her 2024 residency, Ko completed an arrangement of her bubble wrap concerto Breath, Contained III + This overall ongoing project is entitled Breath, Contained as I attempt to release the ‘voice’ of this mundane object without popping (well, only on rare occasions…) ... Breath Contained I, II, and III are works created for increasingly large forces.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/G. R. Pantouw

ミラP@Miraclepine 17:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The sources used look self-published or at a minimum least defer editorial control to Tonia Ko on these pages. Uncertain if they meet the criteria of WP:RS or if because there are otherwise no issues with the article they are usable by WP:ABOUTSELF. I checked the major sources and didn't find anything that could be construed as close paraphrasing; besides the few things that couldn't easily be said any other way ("born in Hong Kong and raised in Honolulu"). I brought up issue with the provenance of sources but if this is not an issue please forgive me as I am very new to DYK. I have no other comments. Reconrabbit 19:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Reconrabbit: As a frequent creator of academic biographies, I'm pretty sure the sources in question are reliable for basic facts (her own site included) and I don't think there are any ABOUTSELF issues, especially when the affiliated institutions are non-profits (especially the educational ones). Further, I added more secondary sources to be safe. ミラP@Miraclepine 18:05, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Miraclepine: I wasn't aware of the nonprofit situation. Overall it looks like a fine hook and the basis for the statement isn't disputed. The addition of secondary sources is of course appreciated. I support this nomination. Reconrabbit 18:28, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Mike Veeck's baseball promotions include Disco Demolition Night, a game with no fans, and the world's largest pillow fight?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Winfield Blake

– Muboshgu (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - y I note the DOB is not sourced; if you’re able to add a ref, great, otherwise it should either be removed or replaced with an approximate birth year that can be sourced, per BLP policy.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you for this entertaining entry! Great piece of pop culture to record. I made a pair of minor copy edits for clarification in the first paragraph under career, to specify which Veeck you were talking about and that Anti-Disco Night and Disco Demolition Night were the same thing, but please revise if I’ve misunderstood anything. Once the DOB is sorted, I think you’ll be good to go! Innisfree987 (talk) 07:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Innisfree987, birthdate is now sourced inline.[1] – Muboshgu (talk) 17:11, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great thanks for the quick add! All set. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Anne Morrow Lindbergh predicted the backlash that her husband Charles Lindbergh's antisemitic Des Moines speech would receive and tried to warn him about it? Source: Lynne Olson, Those Angry Days: Roosevelt, Lindbergh, and America's Fight Over World War II, 1939-1941 (Random House, 2013), 379: Anne told Lindbergh that his remarks would be interpreted as "Jew-baiting" [...] she asserted, his speech was 'at best unconsciously a bid for anti-Semitism"; Susan Dun,, 1940: FDR, Willkie, Lindbergh, Hitler—the Election amid the Storm (Yale University Press, 2013), 301–303: Across the country newspapers, columnists, politicians, and religious leaders lashed out at Lindbergh for sinning "against the American spirit", as the New York Herald Tribune put it. "The voice is the voice of Lindbergh, but the words are the words of Hitler", wrote the San Francisco Chronicle
  • Reviewed: Talk:Vladimir_Zitta#Did_you_know_nomination
  • Comment: Vladimir Zitta was the 1st article of a 5 article hook. It would be nice to get to run this on the upcoming anniversary, September 11, but I didn't finish this as soon as I wanted to and I understand that'd be a tight turnaround.

Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 07:36, 5 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks good Andre🚐 01:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a 1593 work by an Italian-Jewish engineer and polymath might have inspired Joyce's Ulysses?

• Reviewed:

Andre🚐 19:01, 6 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px: - Cannot be read at the main page size

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Approved w/o image (t · c) buidhe 13:46, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that researchers speculate cocoa butter forms crystals on sugar while chocolate is tempered?

• Reviewed:

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 11:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Starting review RoySmith (talk) 00:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Article is long enough and new enough.
• QPQ exempt.
• Earwig is unable to perform an analysis. I googled a random selection of phrases and didn't find anything, so I'm going to AGF on copyvios.
• All the sources appear to be reliable.
• DYK doesn't impose any minimum prose quality, but I find some parts of the prose confusing enough that I'm thinking a trip through WP:GOCE might be a good idea. For example, in It is more difficult to temper milk chocolate, the word "more" implies a comparison. So this should say "... than something else". But the real issue is the next paragraph, which is the one which directly supports the hook fact. Sugar lowers the melting point of crystal structures, as they are theorized to act as nuclei. What is "they"? I think what this is supposed to say is "... as sugar molecules are theorized to act as crystallization nuclei", but it's really not clear. The addition of lecithin somewhat slowed the rate at which the reaction began What reaction? The crystallization of the cocoa butter? And why is "slowed" in past tense? This isn't just nit-picking about grammar; it's confusing enough that it's hard to be sure if it really does support the hook. RoySmith (talk) 01:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RoySmith, thanks for taking a look at this. Apologies that my prose was quite poor, I've given it what I hope is a thorough copyedit. If it's still unclear, I can take it through WP:GOCE. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 02:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick response, looks good now. RoySmith (talk) 02:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that a South Dakota radio station went from a university to "Guns, Gold & Rock 'n' Roll"? Source: https://radioinsight.com/headlines/93148/station-sales-week-of-may-29/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sugar Dog Life

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• new enough, long enough, no copyvio issues. It took me a second to figure out what the hook was trying to say but it's not inaccurate in any way. Interesting (to me at least), supported by source. Good to go. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that politician Teleke Lauti unseated a former Prime Minister with a campaign managed by a former Prime Minister?

• ALT1: ... that politician Teleke Lauti unseated a former Prime Minister, was unseated himself by a future Prime Minister, and later ran again to replace a former Prime Minister? Source: same for 'unseated a former Prime Minister'; lost to Latasi and Kausea Natano (future PM) in 2002 (could add another source verifying Natano as being a future PM if needed); Fenui News for running to replace a former PM (Latasi in 2018)
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Edward J. York
• Comment: Open to other ways of wording. Would like it if it could be featured by the end of the month, prior to the end of the Wikipedia:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest (since I'm competing with the Tuvalu flag).

BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:02, 10 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• New enough, long enough, QPQ done. We're treading around describing the political system slightly, but it can be pieced together. A source is needed in the article for the future PM part. Work on climate change should be mentioned in the lead. He may have been assistant Minsiter(?) but that may all need a deeper investigation. CMD (talk) 07:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Chipmunkdavis: I added a source for the future PM and expanded the lead a little to mention climate change. As for assistant minister, that source does seem to say that but then there are also several sources referring to him as "Teleke Lauti, Minister for the Environment" (including another UN publication) – he's so obscure, its hard to tell. I'm leaning towards keeping 'Minister for the Environment' though as there seems to be more sources saying that than 'Assistant Minister for the Environment'. Is that everything? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • That feels like everything. Hard to call a Minister of the Environment obscure though! CMD (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Cathy Merrick (pictured) was the first woman elected Grand Chief of the Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs?

• ALT1: ... that Grand Chief Cathy Merrick (pictured) is the sixth person and first woman to lie in state at the Manitoba Legislature? Source: "On Wednesday, Merrick's body will be taken to the Manitoba Legislature, where it will lie in state. She will be the first woman given the honour, and the first person to lie in state at the legislature since 2013." "Lying in state is a rare honour in Manitoba. Five others have preceded Merrick, a provincial spokesperson told CBC" "Dignitaries, public sign book of condolences for Cathy Merrick at Manitoba Legislature". CBC News. Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. CBC News. September 10, 2024. Retrieved September 11, 2024.
• Reviewed: Kuomintang Building (Vancouver)
• Comment: Thank you so much to the reviewer for their time in advance! I'll work on the QPQ later today hopefully. Done!

Ornithoptera (talk) 21:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• New enough (submitted within four days of creation), long enough (8,654 characters). Well sourced with inline citations; written neutrally. Earwig flags up a "violation possible" with a high percentage of similarity, but this turns out to be due to the large number of memorial quotes which are properly attributed; personally I think there are too many of those memorial quotes for an encyclopedia article (it's an encyclopedia article, not an obituary), but not a deal breaker for DYK. (The other copy fix I would recommend is to find alternative wording for "she was heavily involved following the 2022 Winnipeg serial killings", which doesn't sound good.) QPQ is done. The hooks are both interesting and verified by the sources provided...but a tiny gotcha is that the "first woman" part referenced in ALT1 is actually not mentioned within the actual article. Fix that issue within the article and this is a pass. Thanks for creating the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hi Cielquiparle, thank you for taking the time to read through the article! I have addressed the ALT1 issue, as well as reworded the Winnipeg serial killings part of her article. I hope this can address your concerns properly. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Approved both ALT0 and ALT1. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:16, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that spearfishing at the Micronesian Games in 2014 was controversial because a fish that was caught was mutilated by a shark?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Axis Rule in Occupied Europe

Sahaib (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• QPQ needed @Sahaib:. Also, assuming "websites.mygameday.app" is reliable, proposing ALT1: ... that a shark cost a competitor a silver medal in the spearfishing event at the 2014 Micronesian Games?--Launchballer 19:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Launchballer: QPQ done, also source appears to be reliable as it cites Alana Christensen of "United Youth Media" and has a picture. Sahaib (talk) 19:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is new enough and long enough, with detailed sources. Text is neutral and plagiarism free. Hook is cited and interesting, ALT1 preferred. QPQ is done. I hesitate to give it a green light as there are a couple of parts of the article that would benefit from some clarification - marked with when and why. Once they are sorted, good to go. Lajmmoore (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lajmmoore: done. Sahaib (talk) 18:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Y Thank you! Lajmmoore (talk) 21:11, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that although Uzun-Hajji and Najmuddin of Gotzo (pictured) were originally political allies, they later fought on opposing sides of the Russian Civil War?

• ALT1: ... that after Najmuddin of Gotzo was denied the title of imam, Uzun-Hajji left public life to live in the mountains of Chechnya? Source: Lobanov, Vladimir (2013). "История антибольшевистского движения на Северном Кавказе" [History of the Anti-Bolshevik Movement in the North Caucasus]. Poltorak (in Russian) – via Academia.edu. pp. 167–185
• Reviewed:

Mupper-san (talk) 09:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Length of both articles ok. Date perhaps such have bee 6 Sep, but ok. No close paraphrase found. Image free on Commons. I prefer the original hook, but don't see sentences in article (directly referenced) clearly stating the fact. The articles need some editing, sentence such as "He died shortly after, and the" appears incomplete. Also, is the Arabic script names correct? I know nothing about Arabic script use in North Caucasus, but نازمودن is not Najmuddin in Arabic. --Soman (talk) 14:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Soman:, I'm not quite sure if it would be written with the same letters as Arabic or if it would be written in the same style as Cyrillic/Latin-script forms of Avar. I wouldn't have any bias towards changing the spelling of Najmuddin in Arabic-script Avar to the Arabic form. The problem of an incomplete sentence has been fixed, as was a spelling error in the body. Mupper-san (talk) 21:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, I learnt something new today. Usually non-Arabic languages retain Arabic spellings of Islamic names when using Arabic scripts. But I now understand that the spellings in Avar with Arabic differ from Arabic (I note the spelling of Rasul here for example). I also now find the hook fact in each other articles, --Soman (talk) 22:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Catharina Weiss (pictured) used to play for Rolling Chocolate? Source: https://www.cannstatter-zeitung.de/inhalt.die-18-jaehrige-rollstuhlbasketballerin-gewann-im-sommer-wm-bronze-catharina-weiss-s-grosser-wurf.8363bb42-1597-463c-85fb-79e8baa49aae.html
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Piper Kelly

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:22, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Intriguing hook, although the only mention in the article for chocolate is "the Rolling Chocolate in Heidelburg", which a) isn't the same thing unless you have another source saying they're sometimes called that for short and b) lacks an end-of-sentence citation.--Launchballer 20:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Hawkeye7: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:42, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Added a redundant citation at end of sentence and tweaked the hook slightly. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed. You are welcome to take up the otiosity of that rule at WT:DYK in the interim.--Launchballer 18:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hawkeye7, review follows: article created 4 September (and nominated 5 days later) and exceeds minimum length; article is cited inline throughout with two exceptions: that her current team is "RSV Lahn-Dill" and that her disability class is "1.0" (both mentioned in the infobox and the disability class in the lead only); please can you cite these? The English language sources look to be reliable for the content cited, happy to AGF on the foreign language ones; I didn't pick up on any issue with overly close paraphrasing; image is good and properly licensed; hook is fine and loosk to check out to the German-language source (a Google search appears to confirm the team is referred to simply as "Rolling Chocolate" elsewhere); a QPQ has been carried out. If you can address the two minor citations needed this should be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 17:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added a bit more to cover this. She has left RSV Lahn-Dill but I have let this stand as she is yet to join a new club. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me - Dumelow (talk) 06:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Santa (pictured) opened the 2024 Summer Paralympics closing ceremony? Source: https://olympics.com/en/news/paralympic-games-paris-2024-closing-ceremony-music-flame
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Hooded Man, Template:Did you know nominations/Milkie Way
  • Comment: Double-barrel nom: 2024 Summer Paralympics closing ceremony 5x expanded 2x QPQ supplied

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• @Hawkeye7: Not a review, but that image doesn't meet WP:DYKIMG. I suggest cropping it.--Launchballer 17:21, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• @Hawkeye7: Nice article. It was nominated in time and meets the character count requirement. The hook is interesting given the singer's name. There is an excessive citations banner and the image issue highlighted by Launchballer above that need to be resolved.--NØ 11:53, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  May I remind you that removing a tag without remedying the underlying issue does not count @Hawkeye7:. Per WP:CLUMP, if more than three references really are necessary, they should be bundled.--Launchballer 19:02, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  May I remind you that changing the referencing style of an article violates our MOS:RETAIN guideline and is blockable offence. Whereas Template:Clump seeks to enforce Wikipedia:Citation overkill which it is nothing more than an essay, with no community consensus. For this reason Template:Clump is not on the list of DYK dispute tags at Wikipedia:Template index/Disputes and therefore does not fall under WP:DYKTAG. Since it is neither a dispute tag nor has any authority, I am free to ignore what the template documentation it says and enforce our editing guideline by removing it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:RETAIN refers to varieties of English and does not mention references, though my concern has been resolved anyway. (There's surely no need for two {{DYK nompage links}} on this page?)--Launchballer 20:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The Image looks fine to me, but created a second version. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My problem with the original image is that it does not display well at {{main page image/DYK}}, though the original is significantly better. I'll let a prepbuilder make the decision. I think this is good to go, but pinging @MaranoFan: just in case.--Launchballer 20:27, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Engel Nawatiseb left the Landless People's Movement only one month after joining?

• ALT1: ... that Engel Nawatiseb left the Landless People's Movement due to disagreements about who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration? Source: "The source further claimed that these party members felt threatened by Nawatiseb’s position in the party. “People felt why is it only Nawatiseb driving the car and not them?” the source said. Following the complaints, the party allegedly took the car from Nawatiseb.", and "Another party source said Nawatiseb was insulted by a powerful young leader in the party about the usage of the car. “Apparently he wasn’t sharing the car with others. But once a car is assigned to you, it’s difficult to share, because once it is broken it becomes your responsibility,” another party source said. The source said the car was taken away a day after the party’s fifth anniversary. “On Sunday morning when they took the car, they embarrassed and insulted the man,” the source said." [3]
• Reviewed:

-Samoht27 (talk) 23:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• I may review this nomination later today, but a quick comment is that while the source goes into detail about why !Nawatiseb was chosen to drive the car, why other party leaders were supposedly upset, and ostensible explanations as to why the car was reassigned, the article itself only talks about !Nawatiseb's embarrassment over the car being taken. I really like the second hook, but the disagreements should be detailed (or at least mentioned explicitly) in the article for the nomination to pass. Yue🌙 17:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, I think it should be "a celebration of the party's fifth anniversary", because to my understanding he was to drive for the celebration in a specific part of Namibia, as he was the only person qualified in that area. Yue🌙 17:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: References were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. Both hooks are verified, but I prefer ALT1. However, I propose to the promoter this rewording of ALT1, which incorporates ALT0:

ALT2: ... that Engel Nawatiseb reportedly left the Landless People's Movement just a month after joining because of disagreements over who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration?

The sources are the two already given. Yue🌙 20:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to butt in, but the article isn't good enough for DYK. At first, I intended to remove the stub tag (we don't run stubs at DYK) but it's arguably still a stub. There is nothing outside of his political career; no early life, education, or what he did before politics. The article therefore fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Secondly, the date and place of birth are both unreferenced and that's a violation of WP:BLP. Thirdly, about half the article deals with controversies and that feels unbalanced; hence it fails WP:NPOV. There's a lot more work required to get this ready. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Schwede66 08:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the first silver dollars of the Republic of China were crudely-designed mementos (pictured)?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Giorgina Reid

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:40, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Long enough, new enough. Well written and seems compliant with policy. My only worry is that the Kann book this is sourced to is self published, but from searching he was an established subject matter expert who sees use by others, so I think it's fine. I cannot find a copy of the book but I will AGF. Good to go. Image is good. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:28, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that an Oklahoma TV station returned to its original call sign after the death of its founder, Gene Autry? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20230906162655/https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1998/12/06/kpsg-memorializing-gene-autry-with-movie-serial-name-change/62259992007/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/La Mojana

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:32, 10 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• QPQ done. GA status and date confirmed. Hook is neutral and cited. No other problems, GTG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Pituamkek National Park Reserve is Canada's newest national park, protecting a chain of barrier islands used for fishing and hunting by the Mi'kmaq for 4,000 years?

• Reviewed: ...Well, Better Than the Alternative
• Comment: PEIsquirrel is my alt. I don't know why the template is saying 0 past nominations (maybe I used my alt? I have 5 according to my user page) but QPQ should be required. I'll take care of that shortly.

Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: New enough, long enough, sourced and neutral, Earwig detects no copyvio issues other than long names and quoted passages, the hook is interesting. I am awaiting the QPQ as mentioned by the nominator. Ivanvector I want to clarify with you the value of "4,000 years" mentioned in the hook. I see a value of 3000 years as mentioned by "suggest the possible presence of a drowned site dating within the Woodland Period (which spans from about 3000 years ago to the recent historic period)." but I'm not sure whether the "to the recent historic period" is inclusive of an additional thousand years or not, I am not familiar with the terminology enough to make my own determination. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Ivanvector: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Z1720 and Ornithoptera: I appreciate the pings. Very busy at work today and for the next few, but I will get to this. Regarding "4,000 years", one of the sources refers to human habitation on the islands from 2,000 BC, but it's not this source. I'll have to find it again. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ivanvector: Note that per a recent rule change, a QPQ should have been provided at the time of the nomination. Please provide one as soon as possible, as the nomination may be closed without further warning unless a QPQ is given. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: thanks, I was not aware of that. If we're going to be bureaucratic about things, the rules also suggest that previously completed QPQs can be credited towards a future nomination requiring one, and I have done QPQs with three or four of my past five nominations when none were required. Nonetheless, I have started to review ...Well, Better Than the Alternative. I will check on the sourcing for the time period this evening, and update accordingly. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ornithoptera: the source for 4,000 years is "First Look at the Proposed Pituamkek National Park Reserve" in National Parks Explorer, reference #6 in the article, which reads "These shores and forests have been home to the Mi’kmaq people for more than 4,000 years [...] ." I've added an additional inline citation. I interpreted "the recent historic period" as meaning the time period right up to European contact and the Acadian expulsion in the 18th century, and the section you're referring to I believe describes the estimated age of that particular drowned site or to the Pitawelkek site described in the source, not to the whole island chain. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify the rule, it just means that a QPQ should have been provided at the time of making the nomination, if it is a review that was done previously. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for getting back to me with the QPQ. I can verify that the new source for 4000 years explicitly mentions the date mentioned in the hook. For future reference, it might be ideal to not assume "the recent historic period" based on what you might assume, rather, finding a source that can attest to it within a relevant source is the safest way to go. The phrase can be interpreted in a variety of ways and would not serve as a strong source for this context. Thank you for your time Ivanvector, wonderful work on the article regardless. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that imprisoned Afghan politician Abdur Rahman Mahmudi (pictured) would write poems using onion juice as ink in his jail cell?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Columbus Metropolitan Airport

Soman (talk) 10:51, 10 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Will be claiming this review and hope to get to it within the next few days. For now, the hook is good and sourced; AGF on the source, but just to be sure I'd like to see on this page the relevant excerpt for verification purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing the review: the article is new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and no close paraphrasing was detected. A QPQ has been done, and the provided hook is interesting and cited inline. Given that I do not have access to the hook fact, I am assuming good faith here. This is almost ready to go: I would just like to see the relevant excerpt here be provided for verification purposes; the tick will be given once that's done. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Dr. Abdur Rahman MAHMUDI. Born 1909. [...] Beaten in prison, kidneys virtually destroyed. Wrote poems in prison using onion juice as ink" --Soman (talk) 21:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That should work. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that after murdering Mabel de Bellême in France, Hugh Bunel went into exile for almost 20 years, serving with the Byzantine emperor and the Saracen army before joining Robert Curthose on crusade?

• ALT1: ... that Norman warrior Hugh Bunel lived for years among the Saracens before turning against them to join the First Crusade? Source: as above
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Café Adria

Dumelow (talk) 07:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• New enough, long enough, QPQ done. Can't access the relevant part of the hook source, but items sourced to Ordericus 1854 check out and have been very well rearranged throughout the article. I would just like to check where the certainty in the hook comes from, as the cited quote from the source (thanks a lot for that) reports it with some hesitation. CMD (talk) 08:58, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CMD, I chose the quote above as it tells the story in one easy citable passage. I think Haggard is just making clear his source; other publications I have cited in the article state it more directly. Eg: "Hugh Bunel, who was exiled from Normandy after hacking off the head of Mabel of Bellême as she lay in bed, lived for twenty years among the Saracens, studying their customs and language: as a result he was able to offer useful services to the armies of the First Crusade." from: Fletcher, Richard A. (1991). The Quest for El Cid. Oxford University Press. p. 109. ISBN 978-0-19-506955-6. - Dumelow (talk) 11:03, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding further, good to go. CMD (talk) 15:45, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that the Devil's Doorway (pictured) is found in Wisconsin?

• ALT1: ... that The Milwaukee Journal referred to a rock formation (pictured) as one of "Wisconsin's natural wonders"? Source: Wisconsin's natural wonders draw people from all over the state, the country and the world. From the Devil's Doorway at Devil's Lake, to the Apostle Islands, these are Wisconsin treasures.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hamad City

Lightburst (talk) 01:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Hi Lightburst, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 10 September and exceeds minimum length; I am not familiar with the sources used but they appear to be reliable enough for the content; I didn't find any issue with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck on some of the sources; image source is no longer online but is a bot upload from a free image repository so ought to be fine; hooks mentioned in article and checkout to source cited, I prefer the simplicity of ALT0; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 14:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lightburst, should the image be File:Devil's Doorway 1898.jpg? The caption says 1898, but there is a digital camera photo above it. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 03:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rjjiii: Thanks for catching that error. I removed the 1898 date. I preferred this picture to the 1898 image in the article as this one looks a bit more ominous. Lightburst (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]