This was your so called apology: "I supposed I could have done without the twisted part, but IMO, anyone who worships a killer has a twiseted POV." If he comes back as a productive user, or if we ever are privileged to be joined by a legitimate user who espouses very different views, Wiki will have to be welcoming. A multiplicity of diverse perspectives will broaden or focus and challenge the more conventional contributors to refine their work. It's too bad that we've yet to find this person. Lir/Adam/Vera, while occasionally a valid contributor who unearthed overlooked areas of study due to his anarcho-Communist views, was far more of a liability due to his personality and I'm skeptical (but still hopeful) that Paektu will be reformed. Paektu and Lir/Vera are probably not serious individuals; but if we are ever privileged to be joined by collaborative academics that share those views, you will have to refrain from being so dismissive. 172
No, no. I was arguing that we should not react more harsly to him because of his political beliefs, not that we should react less harsly. I was just saying, as an aside, that it would be interesting to have someone join us who holds such controversial views. I'm not saying that these are my views, just that I have respect for differing opinion. 172
Not to play devil's advocate, but you can't just dismiss people who are considered extremists by most who share a conventional, contemporary US perspective so glibly. I wrote a list of Stalinist arguments on your page, and I don't find countering them as incredibly easy as one might imagine. I'm sure that if I were forced to debate those points with a sharp Stalinist, I might be hard-pressed to debunk some points.
Also remember, history has, or better yet changing views have, vindicated a lot of crazy extremists. 172
Sorry, no. "Fuck me hard like a good little boy scout" (twice in one article yet) does not fit anyone's definition of a legitimate edit. Go look at the page history again. The edit this afternoon is fine (good valuable information) and I'm glad you talked to this user about procedure, but I have absolutely nothing to apologize for here. - Hephaestos 20:33 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Oops sorry, I'm in a zero-tolerance mood today, I'll be more careful in future, G-Man 00:57 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I disagree with your move to remove the protection. Nostrum has not retracted his interest to add the POV poorly written rant responsible for the edit war. It is only stable because he hasn't been making edits for about 20 hours, on Catholicism or any page. Judging by the timing of his edits yesterday, this is the time when he'll probably be back on Wiki. If he logs back onto Wiki and tires to reinsert the content, you're going to have to revert his changes and re-protect the page. Tell him that the forum for him right now is the talk page, where the content at question has been getting a great deal of attention. Jtdril even went to the effort of pointing out its most severe flaws one by one. 172
Please see my comments on the Catolicism talk page. 172
Hmmm... I think I'm being rather snappish today (or maybe this week). My tarot card for tommorrow probably ought to be The Emperor. *sigh* Sorry. Martin 20:24, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Not sure how to handle the Boyer edits at United States Secret Service. He's reverting a bunch of unsubstantiated allegations. I took them back out. Any suggestions? Kat 22:42, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)
MBecker: Is there still a problem with User:67.121.169.17 (Michael)? Please reply on my user talk page, not my user page, or else I'm likely to miss it. :) -- Marumari 15:03, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Banned 67.121.169.17. Let me know if you have any other problems. -- Marumari 15:14, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Mbecker - AFAIK, we don't really ban accounts as it is pretty ineffectual (since anybody can create as many accounts as they like). So, we just try to squish IP addresses when we can.
I saw Boyer's latest squawk at you on Talk:vfd.
I think it is really unfortunate that we don't have the series of several solid articles on surrealism that the topic deserves. There is much surrealist art, literature, and film. The overwhelming majority of it rises over, e.g., playing with molten chocolate in the bathtub, or automatic writing. Boyer's POV that it is not a movement within (or a genre of) art is a cop out and is not widely held. The fact that he and a few influential participants in the movement do not wish to have it defined at all should not prevent us from having good fact-based articles on surrealism topics.
I can't write on surrealism without doing some research. I might hit the books and do just that one of these days when it rains.
In the meantime, I have added Boyer to Wikipedia:Annoying_users, mainly because of his constant POV reversions and penchant for distorting the importance of trivial facts. I somehow suspect that this will generate more heat than light, though. So far nobody seems to have noticed, except Boyer. He just added a retaliatory listing for me on the same page, which I expected. Kat 15:40, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Hello, Mbecker. Thanks for the note on my talk page about Daniel C. Boyer. Well, you actually put it on my user page, but it's now on my talk page. :) Anyway, your note has been noted. I might wander over to wherever it is that the debate is now, and see where it has got to... -- Oliver P. 20:59, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)
response at Talk:Daniel C. Boyer. Martin
/\/\/\/\...(laughing).. Where did you drag that up? Kat 20:29, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Hi, what exactly (other than the paragraph breaks and the external Ohio Grange link) are your additions I haven't included in the updated last reverse-chronological ordered revision of the Daniel C. Boyers' page? -- till we *) 22:09, Aug 8, 2003 (UTC)
Best wishes for the weekend. We have just finished combining the oats and consequently will be baling straw tomorrow. Also, a fellow is supposed to be out to offer a bid on plastering the silo. However, as time permits, I shall look in upon the conversation and see to it that your views are properly represented. Kat 22:32, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Your proposed notice is very similar to the notice that's already proposed on Wikipedia talk:Sites that use Wikipedia for content#Suggested notice.
That suggestion hasn't changed in the past few days; if it looks stable, then we can take it to wikiEN-L and wikitech-L.
-- Toby Bartels 22:34, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
More replies on that talk page. -- Toby Bartels 06:10, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I corrected my comment on Talk:Daniel C. Boyer. Not sure what I was thinking that day. You're the only one who read it closely enough to see the mistake. I don't think many people are continuing to follow the discussion. I took the liberty of removing your comment because it no longer applies. Kat 03:10, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)