Did you read the link I sent you to? IF you wish to re-add the details, please either closely paraphrase the wording in the articles, or try and write as if you are sympathetic to the other point of view. If you haven't read it before, read WP:NPOV. When making major edits of the sort you are, saying things like 'everyone knows' isn't helpful. You shouldn't make any claims beyond what is said in the articles; not even something that seems obvious to you. That's WP:OR. Also please read WP:3RR. Relata refero (talk) 21:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)