Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gargoyle Router Firmware

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. What had, at DRV, been deemed a problematic prior close by Aaron Brenneman functioned better as a deletion rationale. All AfDs need to be based more on strength of argument than numbers, but perhaps this one even more so. There is a rough split between keeps and deletes here, but some of the keep !votes are quite problematic ("Notability established," "agree with editor x," etc.). On the delete side, Aaron Brenneman and to a lesser extent SW provide detailed arguments for the view that there are real problems with the available sources, which are already pretty minimal. Several other editors found these arguments persuasive, while only a couple really responded to them negatively. Hobit, who discussed this with Aaron, continued to support keeping but conceded that we had just "one very solid source," meaning the question of "multiple" reliable sources was at least somewhat fuzzy even for that editor. DGG offers perhaps the best keep rationale, but what it boils down to is a particular, and not necessarily invalid, interpretation of what constitutes "significant coverage" when it comes to these kind of products. If more people were explicitly making a point like DGGs things might be different, but instead what I'm seeing is not a policy-based consensus for that view but rather one for the arguments laid out by several in the delete camp, namely that the sources we have are neither reliable enough nor numerous enough to rise to the level required by policy. Note that the only choice here in closing was between deletion or no consensus--there was clearly not a consensus to keep. Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 08:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]