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The result was delete. ✗plicit 01:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The AZEK Company

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:CORP Zai (💬 • 📝 • ⚡️) 16:48, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Washington Court House City School District. Missvain (talk) 22:23, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Education in Washington Court House, Ohio

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There is no reason for an article like this to exist for such a small town. It's basically WP:SYNTH. We already have an article about Washington Court House City School District. The schools that are not part of that district are already mentioned at Washington Court House, Ohio, making this article completely unnecessary. Rusf10 (talk) 21:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AR Kits

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Not a notable company. Does not pass WP:NCORP. Also is promotional, so a second reason to delete is WP:NOTPROMO Rusf10 (talk) 20:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:25, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Party service

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There article serves no real purpose. First it describes an event planner, then it justs lists party supplies and entertainers. "Party service" also does not seem to be a widespread term. Rusf10 (talk) 19:52, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per nom. Party planning is a worthy topic, but at the moment it just redirects to this article. There's nothing here that can be salvaged, so WP:TNT it. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. fails GNG lacks significant coverage. Peneplavím (talk) 04:03, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Back in 2006, a single editor within the space of 1 hour created Party Services, party service, party services, party planning, and party planner as multiple largely identical copies of the same article, complete with advertising contact information. At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Party Services it was decided on party service as the name, and a modicum of cleanup was done. This is why this isn't at Clarityfiend's party planning.

    If that's a worthy topic, then that's an argument for simply switching to the copy at party planning. The idea that, per Peneplavím above, that none of these five has significant coverage seems directly contradicted by Clarityfiend's immediately preceding assertion that at least one of them is a worthy topic, and that people simply picked the wrong one of the group back in 2006. I agree, after a quick look around, that at least one of party planning or party planner is a topic, whether distinct or not from event planning and event planner. Given that books like ISBN 9781451612608 document what party planning journals are, for starters, I suspect that there is a distinction from event planning which the article at hand does not make clear, it having started out as an advertisement. The "Planning the Perfect Party" article in the 1979 San Diego Magazine seems to be worth further research, as it is a book review of Jeanne Jones's Party Planner & Entertaining Diary and from snippets seems to discuss the actual concept of party planning itself. Unfortunately, I have no access to it.

    This article seems to just need more, a lot more, cleanup than the simple removal of advertising that was in the 2006 AFD discussion. Interestingly, from the partial view of ISBN 9780931411335 that I can see, its chapter on "Basic Party Planning" might be the source of a good stub.

    Uncle G (talk) 08:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    • If you think party planning should have an article, then go ahead and write it, but there is nothing worth saving from this article.--Rusf10 (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Quite the converse. If you think that party planning and party planners should not have an article then the onus is on you to provide a reason based in Project:deletion policy for deleting our five available edit histories for such an article. Most of the introduction of the article at hand is about party planners. ("A party or event planner is […]. Party planners […]. Party planners can […]"). Uncle G (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Sorry, but WP:ONUS has always been on the person adding content. There is nothing of value in the edit histories of these articles anyway. I'm sure a much better three sentence introduction can be written for a new article. I certainly wouldn't reuse this one.--Rusf10 (talk) 18:31, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Your grasp of Project:deletion policy remains as erroneous as it has been in other AFD discussions, despite your having been told this again and again. The onus is on you to show that a thorough search for sources fails. And given that a search for sources clearly finds stuff, as I've cited one such above and a potential second, you have a difficult problem. Especially as it appears from your rationales that you haven't bothered to put any effort into looking for sources at all, let alone made a thorough search. Please get a grasp of what policy actually is, and put it into practice. It has been policy for almost 20 years now. Uncle G (talk) 02:02, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • Here we go again. As per WP:ONUS and WP:BURDEN, the responsibility lies with the person who created the article. My responsibility before nomination is only to do a search (which I did), not to prove to you beyond a reasonable doubt that sources don't exist.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • Now, let's talk about this particular article. The article is about a "party service" which is a type of a company. The topic is not "party planning" which is the act of planning a party which is something that can be done by either a professional company or by anyone else. Just because some clown copied and pasted this article to "party planning" 15 years ago does not mean the two topics are now one. Now you come up with sources for "party planning" and are trying to tell me that its the same thing. And what is it from this article's edit history that is so valuable? Is it the poorly written lead or the list of things that can be found at parties?--Rusf10 (talk) 03:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draztik

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Doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG & WP:RS. Nothing in detail about him is discussed in sources. Furthermore references in article don’t portray notability in any way. Xclusivzik (talk) 18:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Underhill

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Fails NPOL and does not have required inline citations. Already exists as draft, so cleanest solution is to delete this one and let the draft improve if references can be found. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 18:30, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - This article does not speak for itself as to how the subject satisfies general notability. The draft has been declined and may be left in place. May be conflict of interest editing. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - currently does not meet WP:NPOL. Onel5969 TT me 04:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. County board of commissioners is not a level of office that guarantees automatic passage of WP:NPOL — for a county commissioner to be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, he needs to demonstrate a strongly credible and well-sourced reason why he should be deemed a special case of significantly greater notability than most other county commissioners, but this article is failing to do that. The existence of a small handful of local election coverage in the local media and some election results tables on the county website is not sufficient to claim that a county commissioner has cleared that bar, either, because every county commissioner in every county can always show that. Bearcat (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:27, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Greco (American football)

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Never appeared in the NFL and was waived by the Panthers before the season started in 2011, and did not receive national coverage per WP:NCOLLATH. Was on the practice squad during the super bowl. Fails WP:NGRIDIRON. SportingFlyer T·C 18:28, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Division I FBS quarterbacks usually get enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. But in two years as a QB at UCF (switched to safety in final year), Greco compiled an unimpressive 874 passing yards. See here. I am finding a good deal of SIGCOV in the Orlando Sentinel. E.g., part 1/part 2. There is also this (part 1/part 2) from Florida Today and this. IMO this is borderline under GNG, but the lack of significant accomplishment leads me to resolve the close call in favor of a lack of notability. Cbl62 (talk) 23:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Cbl62. Standard local news coverage for these type of players, but lacking the comprehensive national coverage I usually look for when it is a borderline call. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:23, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 22:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Belfast Marathon

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Unreferenced. A search revealed nothing beyond local newspapers. Sungodtemple (talk) 17:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep - WP:EVENT is met. Despite recent COI/PROMO edits, there are multiple sources confirming notability and significant independent coverage of the subject. A WP:BEFORE search has returned independent coverage in reliable sources like the BBC, CNN, Irish Times and other (at least) national outlets. (CNN/BBC/etc are not typically classified as "local newspapers"). Guliolopez (talk) 18:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The subject has received repeated coverage over its many decades of operation as the country's largest annual mass race. Clearly notable and verifiable. SFB 23:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep. the recent promotional edits unfortunately ended up removing virtually all the references and making the article look like an advertisement, so the article when it was nominated for deletion made the event look a lot less notable than it actually is. however, Guliolopez did a good job restoring the article to an acceptable quality.
    according to this page, in 2016, the belfast city marathon was the largest marathon in northern ireland, and was tied for 177th-largest marathon that the association of road racing statisticians (arrs) kept track of that year, comparable to washington, d.c. (171st), kyoto (185th), and dubai (191st). this statistic was based on the number of marathon finishers (2,155) that year, which has increased to 3,756 in 2019, according to marathon guide.
    in addition, regarding sources, the bbc and cnn links now in the article should be sufficient, but if not, some running-specific sources include runner's world and distance running, and some outside the anglophone world include fitz (hong kong) and newrunners (russia).
    also, although the article states that the marathon was established in 1982, arrs reports that a marathon has been run in belfast pretty much every year since 1946, with each running of the marathon treated as the northern ireland championships. dying (talk) 23:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of authors of Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis

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This unsourced list does not make clear how it meets WP:NLIST. I have not been able to find independent sources describing this as a group, and I think it is generally undesirable if we have lists of authors for any major scientific report. FemkeMilene (talk) 17:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eva Simatou

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Reason Voutigos (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening. I am the subject of this article. I would kindly like to ask for the deletion of this article on the grounds that I am a private and non-notable person. I am an Athens based stage actress and I had a son recently and have a happy family life. For various personal reasons I wish to slow down on my acting career, and keep it that way. Mainly because I feel that my child needs my presence now more. I feel that the article that exists on me at Wikipedia, apart from the several different issues that it has and are spotted and stated at the box, contains personal data that I do not wish to share with the public. I truly need the privacy at this stage of my life. I honestly regard myself as a non-notable, private person and I propose that the article be deleted on those grounds. I am fully aware of Wikipedia policies and I understand and respect the goals and motives. I just feel that I would like to kindly request for the removal of this article, since it contains information and personal data that I wish to keep non-public. I hope you can respect my wish. This will help my emotional and psychological condition immensely.

Thank you very much for your consideration Kind regards, Eva Simatou

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The result was delete. Closing early re: wp:snow. Missvain (talk) 01:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Grothaus

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While the league was technically a FPL at the time, the league doesn't receive good coverage, so this player who spent 36 minutes on the pitch in five substitute appearances fails WP:GNG, all I can find is blogs or youth sports coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 17:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammed Aminu Baka

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Possible covert upe of a non notable “businessman morgul” “philanthropist” and “politician” who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them thus fails GNG. Per WP:NPOL he also doesn’t qualify as he is a mere aspirant to be a governor. Celestina007 (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete It could have also been a speedy delete. Or 'Ultra' delete. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails WP:BIO, WP:NPOL. Powerful Karma (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not This WP:BIO qualified as a GNG. Just needs some time to come up with more verifiable and reliable sources. Guy Macon's completely wrong to have said it's purely promotional. And again how sure are you, that the topic/subject has no evidence of notability? And why take a close look at me? Sorry to say, Am I a criminal and you, a detective? We're all Wikipedians. There should be a sense of belonging here.
Thank you, Celestina007. You're the only one that seems to have understood me. You're so kind.
I, most humbly, requests that the article; Mohammed Aminu Baka not be given a speedy deletion. With time, it'll be well-sourced beyond Wikipedia's eye; dazzling. And lest y'll forget, it's not a background of a political campaign. Most important thing is for Wikipedia audience to know of this subject's bio.
I therefore objected to the speedy deletion of
Yours in Wikipedia,
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Munay-ki

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I have attempted to find third-party sources to help clarify and more properly source the claims in the article, but have came up empty-handed. Given the lack of third-party sources, I do not believe that the article meets Wikipedia's guidelines for notability and should be deleted. Suomichris (talk) 15:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete/Redirect to Alberto Villoldo. The Munay-ki article relies on primary and promotional sources. The edit history shows consistent removal of anything considered critical, even though this topic, and Villoldo, are extremely controversial. (Villoldo seemed to be claiming, in a show on LinkTV and in other places, that these methods could cure COVID, among other things. I don't know if that's ever been put in the articles; he may not be notable enough for these things to appear in RS sources.) What there is to say about his methods can be covered concisely under his own name. While Villoldo is probably notable enough for a small article, the article must include criticism when someone is making those types of claims while selling services to people. Whitewashed, promotional articles about people who sell fake cures don't belong on the 'pedia. WP articles must give an honest portrayal, and be protected from promotional editing, or they don't belong here at all. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 19:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable fluff. Dubious as a potential search term, and the page content certainly does not need preservation, so I'm not sold on the merits of converting it into a redirect. XOR'easter (talk) 21:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • To keep the content from being recreated via reversion, we could first delete the page. Then create the redirect at that url and put full protection on it. Basically a variation on Delete and Salt. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 23:36, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Except I tossed a WP:PROD tag on Villoldo's article today because I could only find one source, and it contradicted what's in the article, so the redirect might not work in the long run. Suomichris (talk) 00:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • He's notable in the alternative worlds he runs in, so probably passes that not particularly useful "College Professor test" that may or may not still be used on WP. He's more notable that other fringe figures who have articles on here (which of course doesn't mean those people should have articles, either, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). But the real issue is whether any of this translates to RS sources and a broader notabilty that is up to WP standards. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 00:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah—honestly, I assumed I'd be able to find stuff initially but couldn't. I'm not opposed to putting off deleting his article if we can find another source or two (especially if they're all in agreement, which is also an issue currently). Happy to discuss it at the Talk page there if needed. Suomichris (talk) 00:36, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I could understand if this was some legitimate work of ethnology, but I don't even know how we document a belief that somehow involves Indus Valley civilization ideals transmitted by Siberians to the Andes, supposedly 30,000 years ago...I mean there are just so many different things wrong with this that it would need several paragraphs to explain. Again, if this was legitimate ethnology, we would have no problem saying "The Inka believe that the deity they call..." etc. This is just WP:MADEUP. If the guy who invented this stuff is notable, we could merge a small paragraph of this into his article. We do have articles on BS artists where we accurately describe RS explanations for why they are BS artists (like that miracle water guy whose commercials are still running), but that would require good sourcing and it would probably require that this guy has gotten into some sort of trouble. If he's just an obscure loon, then we don't really need anything. Hyperion35 (talk) 14:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Just Delete. No redirect necessary, per wp:Fringe; wp:Synthesis; wp:OR. GenQuest "scribble" 14:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 02:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SoMedia

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A non-notable company. This company went bankrupt in 2016. It was a cloud video technology company that had no products that I can find. Before isn't returning anything and the links in the article are all 404. There are a number of different companies that trade with this name - one based in Switzerland has several thousand employees and has a greater claim to notability than this one. The article was created by User talk:Man Elsa who had a similar article refused at AfC and a draft deleted. Desertarun (talk) 15:28, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes I did that, as they changed names, but the AFD is preserved.Webmaster862 (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete: A WP:SPA article about a briefly active company. The references listed in the article are routine start-up coverage and announcements, and searches on both SoMedia Networks and VidWrx find little coverage, nothing which meets WP:CORPDEPTH. (Strangely, there is a Q&A with the company founder datelined Dec 2017, which is later than their rename and demise, but this may be a regurgitation of a 2013 VanCityBuzz piece which is no longer accessible.) Fails WP:NCORP. AllyD (talk) 08:38, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Poorly referenced/formatted COI WP:CORPSPAM. Hope they didn't pay for this shoddy job... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The criteria for establishing notability for companies/organizations as per WP:NCORP is for multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. None of the references in the article meet the criteria and having searched I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria. Topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing++ 20:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. I withdraw from this discussion. (non-admin closure) TrangaBellam (talk) 18:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tripura Buranji

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I am unable to locate any reliable source which discusses our subject significantly, other than a few pages over a government publication (ed: Satyadeo Poddar) mentioning it as a small book which is little known now-a-days. That Poddar's volume from 2016 does not contain any bibliographic entry in its discussions of Tripura Buranji (apart from a college magazine) is significant and highlights the total lack of scholarship on the subject.
WP:GNG notes that multiple sources [with significant coverage] are generally expected for granting an entire article to any topic and thus, I am proposing a redirect to Buranji. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oppose: The manuscript has been discussed by multiple scholars in the Poddar edited volume. The manuscript itself was edited and published by the Government of Assam and these independent scholars writing on Tripura history agree with the publisher. As has been shown in the article itself, Tripura Buranji has been used as a primary source by these authors to provide the history of Tripura. Since authors such as Sarkar and Chaudhuri have significantly covered this manuscript, as can be seen from cited references, it does not meet the criterion for deletion. Chaipau (talk) 20:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not multiple but two scholars in about four pages for a single government publication. I have already noted their commentary in my nomination statement about the manuscript being hardly known and hardly studied. Also please do not misrepresent scholars to portray that the subject passes our notability tests. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am appalled by the misrepresentations by TrangaBellam. The two scholars he mentions are I Sarkar and B Chaudhuri. He has not counted others already available in the reference/citation: N B Bhattacharjee, K Satchitananda, T Misra, S K Bhuyan; besides many others who are not mentioned in citations such as J B Bhattacharyya ([1], [2] etc.) Chaipau (talk) 11:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kautilya3 Please look below. There are not just two but multiple sources that have noted the significance of this document. I have mentioned just two (regarding historical source and travel writing), but there are many other areas where this document is notable (Assamese lietrature, as Chaudhuri mentions) and where it provides critical inputs such as for trade (Bhattacharjee 1987) and description of medieval diplomatic protocols (Bhuyan 1938, not described here). Chaipau (talk) 01:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General Notability

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Tripura Buranji is an edited and published version of an 18th century manuscript that has been noted (1) as a primary source of extant historical events, and (2) as a remarkable example of pre-colonial travel writing in India. The book is not a popular book, but it is available in many university libraries around the world because of its academic notability.[1]

Primary Source of historical events
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Many authors have long noted the Tripura Buranji as a primary source: N N Acharya (1957),[2] and I Sarkar (2016)[3] A fuller account of the incidents and description is culled from this document is given in synopsis by Chaudhuri (2016),[4] and regarding the document, he says: "Apart from being a highly valuable document of history it is also an unique piece of ancient Assamese literature written in lucid language. The small book, though little known now-a-days, is a treasure house of information vividly depicting the contemporary social, economic, cultural and political tradition prevailing in the region in the first and second decades of eighteenth century."[5]

Travel writing
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(Satchidanandan 2008) placed the Tripura Buranji to a category of Indian travel writing that included Kalidasa’s Meghadootam and Sandeshakavyas, Namdev’s Tirthayatra, and Vidyapati’s Bhuparikrama.[6] N K Bhattacharjee singles out the Tripura Buranji in this group.[7]

Other mentions
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Beside being a source for historical events during the missions three visits, the manuscript/book also has been noted for information regarding trade involving regions other than Assam and Tripura.[8]

Notes

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  1. ^ 1990 edition, 1938 edition etc.
  2. ^ " Tripura Buranji: published in 1938, by the department of Historical and Antiquarian studies, Assam. This was reproduced from an old manuscript written in 1724 by Ratna Kandali Sarma Kataki and Arjundas Bairagi Kataki, who had visited the court of the Tripura king as agents of king Rudra Singha on three different occasions between the years 1709-1715. The chronicle derives its importance principally from the circumstances in which it was compiled, the revelations which it contains of the pan-Indian interests of the Ahom monarch Rudra Singha, and the mass of information which it presents about the history, topography and customs of Tripura." (Acharyya 1957:34–35)
  3. ^ ”The history of North East India is primarily based on a valuable document known as Buranjis. The historicity of the Buranjis cannot be underestimated. Tripura Buranji popularly known as Tripura Desar Kathar Lekha, the name by which the original manuscript is known bears testimony about the history of the region of a crucial period. We are fortunate that there is a Tripura Buranji written by Ratna Kandali and Arjundas Kataki. It has been edited by S.K. Bhuyan and published from historical and antiquarian studies Gauhati 1990. In the introduction of this Buranji S.K. Bhuyan says that Tripura Buranji has been reproduced from an old manuscript in the British Museum, London. A photostate copy which was obtained in January 1936 through the courtesy of Dr. Lionel Barnett, the then keeper of Oriental Books and Manuscripts. The Tripura Buranji is no doubt a valuable document to study Assam Tripura relation vis-à-vis their relation with the Nawab of Bengal during Maharaja Rudra Shinga of Assam and Ratna Manikya of Tripura. It is interesting that some diplomatic relation was established between Assam and Tripura and the story runs as how Ratna Kandoli, and Arun Das Kataki played the role behind the screen.” (Sarkar 2016:5–6)
  4. ^ The full citation would be three pages long—and it describes the circumstances of the mission, the manuscript, and the critical information contained in it and gives some examples.(Chauduri 2016:26–28)
  5. ^ "Apart from being a highly valuable document of history it is also an unique piece of ancient Assamese literature written in lucid language. The small book, though little known now-a-days, is a treasure house of information vividly depicting the contemporary social, economic, cultural and political tradition prevailing in the region in the first and second decades of eighteenth century."(Chaudhuri 2016:26–27)
  6. ^ "In December 2002, Sahitya Akademi organized a seminar on 'Travel Writing in India' at Goa. Speaking in the seminar, K. Satchidanandan made an important point: "The idea of travel has always fascinated Indian imagination as is evident from the accounts of places and people in our folk narratives, epics, chronicles and plays. Though, like the novel, travelogue in the modern sense is often considered to be the product of the colonial encounter, one can also trace the elements of travel writing - again like that of the novel - to pre-colonial times." He then went on to show how elements of travelogue exist in the fictional accounts of the digvijays in the epics, in the lyrical reminiscences of home-sick lovers like the Yaksha in Kalidas's Meghadootam and later Sandeshakavyas, in the descriptions of holy places like in Namdev's Tirthayatra in Marathi, in Vidyapati's 14th century Sanskrit work Bhuparikrama, in the 18th century Asamiya work Tripura Buranji by Ratna Kandali and Arjundas Bairagi and the like.
  7. ^ "The last-named work is especially interesting where envoys of King Rudra Sinha (1696-1714) of Assam were sent to the court of Ratnamanikya, the King of Tripura, to seek support for the proposed invasion of Bengal in 1714. As K. Satchidanandan writes, "These envoys who went on foot along with escorts to Tripura through Cachar and the foothills of Mizoram have carefully recorded in the racy style of medieval chronicles, the landscape, habits, dress, manners and beliefs of the people, deities and temples and the intrigues for the throne within the court of Tripura." (Bhattacharjee 2003:6)
  8. ^ "This area had a long tradition of short i and long distance trade. Tripura Buranji, an Assamese chronicle, mentions that a flourishing market at Rungreng in South Cachar used to be visited by the people from the neighbouring states." (Bhattacharjee 1987:223)

References

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  • Acharyya, Nagendra Nath (1957). The History of Medieval Assam (A.D. 1228 to l603) (PDF) (phd). University of London. Retrieved 2021-05-16.
  • Bhattacharjee, N K (2003). "From the Editor's Desk". Indian Literature. 46 (6). Sahitya Akademi. JSTOR 23341058.
  • Chaudhuri, Bikach (2016), "Tripura: A Peep into the Past", in Poddar, Satyadeo (ed.), History of Tripura: As Reflected in the Manuscripts, New Delhi: National Mission for Manuscripts, pp. 26–28
  • Sarkar, I (2016), "Manuscripts and History", in Poddar, Satyadeo (ed.), History of Tripura: As Reflected in the Manuscripts, New Delhi: National Mission for Manuscripts, pp. 5–6
  • Satchidanandan, K (2008), "Travel Writing in India: An Overview", in Bhattacharji, Shobhana (ed.), Travel Writing in India, New Delhi: Sahitya Akademi
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Anea Garcia

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Article does not meet WikiProject notability guidelines, as Garcia has not won a major national title nor has she competed in one of the Big Four international beauty pageants. Also, subject lacks substantial coverage. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 19:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 02:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UK local history terms

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This is clear violation of WP:NOTDICT Rusf10 (talk) 19:58, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NOTDICT is a policy, it is not superseded by a wikiproject. There has been no consensus to add glossaries. A dictionary and a glossary basically serve the same purpose, the only difference is a dictionary is its own book and a glossary is a section of a book. Calling this article a "glossary" is just semantics.--Rusf10 (talk) 21:23, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
From the very policy you're linking: Some articles are encyclopedic glossaries on the jargon of an industry or field; such articles must be informative, not guiding in nature, because Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, or textbook. Umimmak (talk) 21:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's very ambiguous. I don't see words such a guild, keystone, or old being specific to UK local history (or even history in general), nor is UK local history a industry or field.--Rusf10 (talk) 21:40, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are 2 featured glossaries, namely Glossary of bird terms and Glossary of Texas A&M University terms. — Goszei (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In total, there are about 400 ([3]). This glossary should be evaluated on its merits, instead of dismissing the idea of Wikipedia glossaries all together. — Goszei (talk) 06:32, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wight FM

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Non-notable radio station that seems to have only existed for 11 months. I initially PRODed this, as the only source included was a forum post, which is not a reliable source, and I was unable to find more than brief mentions upon searches. It was de-proded with the request to bring it to AFD instead, and a second source was added as well. However, this new source is just a small blurb announcing the station, which I feel still does not establish notability or help the subject pass the WP:GNG. Rorshacma (talk) 14:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - Unfortunately, none of the added sources actually have any coverage on the station itself, and that is really the issue here - the WP:GNG requires a subject having "significant coverage in reliable sources". Both of the sources you have added have basically no coverage on the station - they are on individuals (Mike Read and Ed Stewert) that have a single line mentioning they DJ'd on the station. The fact that notable people were involved with the station does not automatically confer notability to the station itself, per WP:NOTINHERITED - there needs to actually be reliable sources discussing the station itself in detail. Rorshacma (talk) 14:57, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was move and redirect. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 22:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marsh Road

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No indication of why this is notable. It does not pass WP:GEOROAD Rusf10 (talk) 23:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There are other Marsh Roads all over the world and I'm willing to bet most of them aren't named after this guy. So a redirect from Marsh Road to the biography of one man makes no sense.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:10, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages#Items appearing within other articles (MOS:DABMENTION) says, "If a topic does not have an article of its own, but is mentioned within another article, then a link to that article may be included if it would provide value to the reader."

The Marsh Road named after William Henry Marsh meets MOS:DABMENTION so it would be an appropriate inclusion in any disambiguation page of Marsh Roads. There is only one known Marsh Road topic that meets MOS:DABMENTION at this time, so Marsh Road should exist as a redirect to William Henry Marsh instead of as a disambiguation page. If there are other Marsh Roads that meet MOS:DABMENTION, then the redirect can be changed to a disambiguation page listing all the Marsh Roads.

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There are other more notable Marsh Roads than this tiny 1/4 mile road. A search of wikipedia reveals Delaware Route 3 which follows Marsh Road for much of its length. There's also Marsh Road Level Crossing electric railway station in England and a book named The House in Marsh Road. And there are others. This is far from being the most notable Marsh Road.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:07, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:34, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gibson's Donuts

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Donut shop in Memphis that has a fair bit of local coverage but I don’t think passes WP:NCORP. Mccapra (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep I don't think it is fair to call several televised coverages "local coverage" The articles referenced claims, clearly meet "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Jeepday (talk) 15:04, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a consensus to delete this article. Those who support the inclusion of material of this nature might be advised to work in draftspace on smaller-scale lists of radio presenters in specific regions or genres, or by other delineations that can be identified and sourced, per WP:LISTN. If a number of those are created, a master Lists of radio presenters would be appropriate. BD2412 T 20:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of radio presenters

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List with too broad a scope to be maintainable. Lists of radio personalities by individual country would be fine (and some, e.g. List of Canadian radio personalities, already exist), so no prejudice against the creation of smaller, more narrowly and manageably defined lists if people want to tackle that -- but a single transnational list, encompassing 200 world countries with potentially tens of thousands of people to include in such a list, is a maintenance nightmare. Bearcat (talk) 00:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • For the sake of sanity, DELETE. Forget countries: a list of every announcer and DJ in Maryland alone is probably well over a thousand entries. There's probably close to a hundred active in DC, never mind those dead or who moved on to other careers. This is bordering on indiscriminate. The current minimal American list also shows the likelihood that even if limited to people with articles, most of them are still most famous for something else (generally TV). This is a terrible idea. Mangoe (talk) 01:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as unmaintainable. Geschichte (talk) 10:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • My instinct is to turn this into a list of lists, but we have fewer lists than I thought. I was considering creating a new list, but a question: is there a meaningful difference between radio presenters, DJs, personalities, and hosts? I know there are slight differences, but from a category/list perspective it seems like there's a lot of overlap. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and only include notable presenters otherwise it would be indiscriminate. It can be split into to lists by country, so if there are countries with too few notable presenters for separate lists, those presenters would be in this list. Peter James (talk) 18:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That would still leave the list with thousands upon thousands of potential entries, and thus not solve the problem to anything like the degree you think. Bearcat (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • If split by country and not by anything else, the longest list will be American presenters as the category contains 941 pages (937 articles and four redirects); that is fewer entries than the list of 2021 albums. If there is no objection to lists by country, there can be a list of lists. The only difference between the current page and a list of lists would be that a list of lists would exclude presenters from countries with too few notable presenters for separate lists. Peter James (talk) 13:34, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Per Peter James. Only notable personalities sould be included per WP:LISTPEOPLE. If a certain country has hundreds of notable personalities, a separate list can be created. ASTIG😎 (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 16:00, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • It's not clear that this is even a problem or needs to be surmounted at all. There's no indication in the article or here of what, if anything, should be included. In any case, additional information alongside tons of entries with unclear inclusion criteria makes maintenance that much more difficult. Avilich (talk) 22:41, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • There's nothing slippery slope ish about the above arguments. Maintainability and notability criteria are real and legitimate concerns, and the category takes care of both simultaneously: it maintains itself and the notability criteria will be identical to wp:gng. Simply saying it's 'preventable' does not address those problems. Avilich (talk) 17:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

St. Xaviers School, Pakyong

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL. A quick search for news results in 1 result of an actual article about the school and six passing mentions, which indicates no sigcov and thus also fails WP:GNG. In addition, completely unsourced and reads like an ad. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 14:31, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of goat milk cheeses. Sandstein 08:28, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tesyn

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Tesyn is not a notable style of cheese, nor a notable product (being made by only a single producer). Few sources exist, and these do not meet WP:SIGCOV.

Similar arguments apply as did for another cheese recently AFDed: Gevrik. — HTGS (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete The only sources that come up are in the Finnish language and a Canadian Mining journal from 1970 with something very unrelated. Nothing even cheese-related. Oaktree b (talk) 19:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep The cheese won an award, as reported by the BBC. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The cheese supposedly won two awards; the best newcomer in 2002, and gold in 2007, both at the "World Cheese Awards". However, as we all know, these types of awards are often pay-to-play, and "gold" is not even the top award. This short piece, and the passing mention in Gourmet Cornwall do not meet SIGCOV, and I find it very unlikely that the cheese is notable outside of essentially buying a gold star for the label. — HTGS (talk) 02:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to List of goat cheeses - Yes, the cheese exists. It's passively mentioned in books about cheeses. Yes, a company who makes this cheese won an award and it was mentioned on the BBC site. Perhaps we could help this cheese out with WP:BASIC, but, unless we have someone out there digging up offline sources and publications about cheese, I suggest for now, we just redirect it. Missvain (talk) 01:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect As per Missvain. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:05, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete List of goat milk cheeses should list notable varieties made by multiple cheesemakers (or with a protected status), not propritary branded products that apparently don't exist anymore, since I can't find a website for the maker or anything else recent. The idea that anything and everything that has "won an award" must have its own article is baseless. Reywas92Talk 02:11, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Empire of the Petal Throne. Missvain (talk) 22:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Nightmare Maze of Jigrésh

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So so so many adventures have been published for various RPGs, there's no reason each needs its own page unless it's exceptionally notable. I'm not seeing notability for this one. Likeanechointheforest (talk) 14:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Despite 2 relistings, there were no arguments to definitively keep this article, and the consensus is that there is little information about this place to argue for keeping it. PhantomSteve/talk¦contribs\ 12:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ore, Missouri

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This one has proven very difficult for me to research. Ramsay says that Ore was also known as Winona, and calls Winona a railroad station and Ore a railroad switch. (It had a post office, so I'd say station is more likely). Oldest topos show a single building on the railroad, while by 1954 there's just a long siding with nothing there. Searching for this is very difficult under either name "Ore" is a tough search term for obvious reasons, and Winona, Missouri is an actual town elsewhere in the state. This old county history just says that Ore was a P.O. with Henry S. Berkstresser as postmaster. Passing mention here. This is self-published, but doesn't mention "Ore" or "Winona" anyway. How Missouri Counties, Towns, and Streams Were Named has no "Ore" and only the other "Winona". Newspapers.com brings up some passing mentions to the "Ore Road" and that people farmed near Ore, Mo. If I missed something, I am willing to consider withdrawal, as this was just very very hard to search for. I will note that Ore seems to be the better name to search under, as I found a few passing mentions of this place under the name Ore, but nothing under the name Winona that didn't seem to be the other Winona. Hog Farm Talk 03:36, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • delete Personally I would have prodded this, as a passing siding in the midst of a bunch of farms (which it still is to this day) is just too unlikely to have been a town at some point. Mangoe (talk) 04:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All of this peculiarity in Cass County
Place GNIS Coördinates Our article
Peculiar Township (The History of Cass and Bates Counties, Missouri) or East Peculiar Township (Missouri State Gazetteer and Business Directory) "Township of Peculiar". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey, United States Department of the Interior. 38°42′23″N 094°21′00″W / 38.70639°N 94.35000°W / 38.70639; -94.35000 Peculiar Township, Cass County, Missouri
West Peculiar Township "Township of West Peculiar". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey, United States Department of the Interior. 38°42′36″N 094°27′40″W / 38.71000°N 94.46111°W / 38.71000; -94.46111 West Peculiar Township, Cass County, Missouri
Peculiar city (US topographics) or village (12th US Census, 1900) "City of Peculiar". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey, United States Department of the Interior. 38°43′50″N 094°28′25″W / 38.73056°N 94.47361°W / 38.73056; -94.47361 Peculiar, Missouri
"Peculiar". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey, United States Department of the Interior. 38°43′09″N 094°27′31″W / 38.71917°N 94.45861°W / 38.71917; -94.45861
Old Peculiar "Old Peculiar". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey, United States Department of the Interior. 38°43′09″N 094°26′30″W / 38.71917°N 94.44167°W / 38.71917; -94.44167 Old Peculiar, Missouri
Ore "Ore". Geographic Names Information System. United States Geological Survey, United States Department of the Interior. 38°43′40″N 094°20′03″W / 38.72778°N 94.33417°W / 38.72778; -94.33417 Ore, Missouri
  • Bing Maps (thus here.com) puts Ore further north than the GNIS pin, at the junction of Ore Road and South Ore Road, which seem to position it given their names. It also, at larger scales, names it "Peculiar" with no "Ore". This is Peculiar Township, Cass County, Missouri, distinct from West Peculiar Township, Cass County, Missouri in that The History of Cass and Bates Counties, Missouri that you point to. The History of Cass County, Missouri that you point to also distinguishes Peculiar and West Peculiar, on page 106. So I made a table to try to make sense of this.

    This enabled me to find:

    ORE A postoffice in East Peculiar township. Cass county, on the L. & S. div. M.P. Ry, 5 miles north of Harrisonville […] Population: 30. Mail, daily. L.C. Humphrey, postmaster

    • Humphrey & Co., general store and grain
    — 1893 Missouri State Gazetteer and Business Directory, page 772

    In fact, the very History of Cass County, Missouri that you pointed to has "He settled on a farm just south of where the town of Ore is now located" on page 409.

    So it's legally recognized and populated and a place. There's just almost nothing to say about it, from what I can find. History ignores it.

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The result was keep. czar 05:30, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Public Square Street

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No indication of notability, does not pass WP:GEOROAD Rusf10 (talk) 23:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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    • @Cunard:While foreign language sources are acceptable, I cannot evaluate these sources since they are in Chinese and no translation is available. Since you are presenting these sources, I assume you must be able to read Chinese. So, could you please provide a translation of the relevant parts? Thank you.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Here is information from the sources about the street's history:

        This book notes (from Google Translate): "The naming of Yung Shutou Park and "Zhongfang Street" is also related. Back then, because the vacant lot of Banyan Tree Head often gathered vendors and people, when the street was built in 1887, it was named Public Square Street (meaning the public square). Only the people responsible for translating Chinese street names in those days misunderstood Square as referring to a square, so they translated the street name into "Public Square Street". It was not until the 1970s that the name was changed to "Zhongfang Street"."

        This book notes (from Google Translate): "Zhongfang Street was formerly known as Public Square Street, which was an expansion of the open space in front of the Tin Hau Temple after reclamation. In the past, this street was a gathering place for the public, and there were many entertainment venues, such as the First New Theater and Guangming Theater. Today, there is also a Broadway Film Center in Zhongfang Street, which can be said to continue the film culture in it. In 1970, the government felt that the word quartet was inconsistent with the original meaning of the English language, so it was changed to Zhongfang Street."

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  • Keep – a historic street – one of the oldest in Kowloon – home to listed heritage buildings including the Tin Hau Temple complex and the police station. Historically important for cross-harbour transport as there was a vehicular ferry pier located at its western end. I have added references to this street found in two English-language books on the history of Kowloon. Citobun (talk) 02:06, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. An important street in the history of Kowloon. I have added information and references. More could definitely be added. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 18:40, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear absence of a consensus that this should not exist as an article. This close is without prejudice for potential merge proposals that might bring this content to be merged and the title redirected to a prospective target article. BD2412 T 20:16, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Complexly

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As much as it pains me to attempt to take an article about the brothers green out to pasture, this one doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG. It cites no independent sources, and none seem to be available and provide significant coverage independent of the CEOs or their subsidiary companies– things like DFTBA Records, the Project for Awesome, and VidCon are pretty much independently notable. A shell company to make all of these isn't going to garner much coverage, and it doesn't. If someone can provide a WP:THREE to save this, though, it'd be welcomed. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Thanks for raising the alarm on the lack of independent sources; as the creator an primary maintainer of this one I should have been keeping a closer eye. I feel confident I can find some external sources on this, even though it is an odd animal; its CEOs and projects are far more notable than the firm itself. As the framework behind those, though, I feel it deserves to bee here. Updates to come! Radagast (talk) 01:59, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, I've added some reliable sources on their connections to outside institutions. It's certainly true that the firm flies under the media radar as just 'the Green brothers' projects'; it's a tricky hunt. Radagast (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete given that the article fails WP:NCORP (sources are mostly YouTube/Tumblr...). Do ping me if the article is rewritten (as promised above), and I'll reconsider my vote. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:45, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep this is a fun edge-case of notability guidelines. If they only had one notable thing, then we'd redirect the title there. However, they have many notable productions. A potential article "list of Complexly productions" could exist - and that's basically what this article is, but I think having it at the base name makes more sense. Elli (talk | contribs) 06:42, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Elli and JackFromWisconsin: Doesn't that directly contradict WP:INHERITORG? A list of Complexly productions isn't notable, even if all the productions are notable. The productions don't give the parent company notability. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 20:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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thanks, that's where I'm at too. If these are WP:IAR arguments I'm fine with that, and I hear that, but 1. you'd need to justify why it's beneficial to have this article and 2. you'd have to specify that the argument even is WP:IAR. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 16:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To me the best argument for keeping this article is along the lines of what [EDIT:Elli] was somewhat saying, of there being so many notable projects and people under the umbrella of Complexly. It is very useful to have the blue link in these articles to describe the relationship between them and make it clear why these seemingly unrelated projects (VidCon, DFTBA Records, Anthropocene Reviewed, Crash Course) are actually quite closely related to each other. Without the article, Wikipedia is worse off in my opinion. --Cerebral726 (talk) 17:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Seems like an alternative to deletion might be possible, but, so far "Complexly has done a lot" isn't a case for keep from a boring policy perspective.

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I'm just gonna comment that you are positively begging for a fight when you write "the main Green brother". I know what you meant, just having fun on that one :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose redirecting to Hank Green but support redirecting to Green brothers#Complexly. Both have a strong hand in Complexly and have been co-CEOs of the company before. I added Complexly to the Green brothers article, since it needs to be there regardless of the results of this discussion. I was surprised to see it wasn't already included since it is the main company that houses almost all of their projects.--Cerebral726 (talk) 14:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Keep and rename Missvain (talk) 22:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quintin Jones (prisoner)

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There is virtually no coverage of this person other than what can be described as WP:ROUTINE coverage of a crime that occurred, and then the punishment inflicted. The only one source that is potentially helpful for notability is the Guardian source - but even still, it's only coverage of his plea to not be executed - it's not a biographical source. Regardless of something being a national/international news source, coverage of crimes/executions is still routine coverage and does not provide any significant biographical content - hence why this article barely has four short sentences about his life outside the crime and related things. Most other sources aside from the Guardian and CBS source are simply opinion articles that provide nothing for notability. Overall, fails the requirement for significant coverage in reliable sources that is not routine coverage of crimes or similar events and should likely be deleted. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 13:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep and rename – Rename to Execution of Quintin Jones (don't know why article name change of this was originally withdrawn in first place but I think it should be relisted). I agree with you about the biography stuff and the crime is not particularly notable. However, his execution has received international coverage and is still being reported in the UK. Controversy of racial bias, clemency petition and sentencing are quite notable in this case. I did find some additional info that I think could also be argued as somewhat notable: this is the first execution in 40 years not to feature any media witness, and the longest break in several decades between the previous state execution and this one. Ultimately, this article just needs work rather than deleting, it's badly sourced and a lot of opinion pieces that are nonsense, but there are better sources out there. I think it should be kept for now. Inexpiable (talk) 13:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Coverage of an execution in a country that has news known to be biased against the death penalty is by definition "routine coverage". I'm happy to change this opinion of mine if sources are provided, but unless/until then I can't begin to evaluate these "still being reported in the UK" sources. Furthermore, COVID explains both of the "notable" factoids you provide, and those are not notability - they're just trivia at their core. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 13:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • The complete media absence (first time in 40 years) was not actually to do with COVID but rather a "critical error" and appears to be developing into a separate story. What about these pieces from the NY times and The Guardian: [4] [5] Inexpiable (talk) 13:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • The NYT piece is one piece - and I'm still not sure that covering an execution makes it notable - we still expect routine coverage of executions even in national news when they happen. The Guardian story is written by a "freelance journalist" (which you can see by clicking their name). The Guardian is known to repost stories from freelance journalists for free to get more stories/clicks - not saying they're necessarily less reliable, but when they do so, it's hardly significant coverage of a topic by the Guardian themselves. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 13:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Last thing I'll add. Two sources from AP and Washington Post regarding the controversy as well as there being no media witnesses at the execution (an ongoing investigation is reportedly underway): [6] [7] I still think it should stay. If nothing more comes of this case within the next few months then I would maybe change to delete, but right now it's too early to say, and I think the execution is notable enough and should be renamed. Inexpiable (talk) 14:31, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename It's certainly not "routine" coverage, as it became international news. A rename would make it clear it's not a biography, but instead an article about the execution (and the trials and crime that led to that), which is what gave him notability. The article is already marked with a NPOV template, covering the issues with it; it'll be resolved by someone in time, when the media coverage has died down. Uses x (talk • contribs) 15:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep several new articles have been published since he was killed including international coverage from reliable sources which I've now added. I think it is likely there will be more published. I'm unable to think of a good name for the article except his name, since the article covers both the different cases, his execution and probably in future the impact of it. My suggestion would be to rename the article simply Quin Jones as this was the name he is most commonly known by. John Cummings (talk) 15:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Renaming the article to begin with Execution of does not mean any of its content needs to be deleted. You can still have info about the crime, his background, etc. Inexpiable (talk) 18:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename to cover the execution, plus any essential background related to his crime only. This event is notable for the anomalous occurrence of the media not being present. Against the backdrop of an era of alleged botched executions and evolving/experimental execution protocol, this makes it notable enough to keep. I am concerned with the lack of neutrality in the article in its current state, which appears to be unduly slanted towards activism on behalf of the subject, e.g. (i), making a statement about 'Bryant's family' petitioning the state etc, when there is material available that points to some family members recently concurring with the conviction and sentence, and (ii), relying on sourcing from journalists who had become acquainted with him, some of them intimately. RandomGnome (talk) 22:15, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename Per Uses x and RandomGnome. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename per multiple users above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:27, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename per mutilple users above NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 02:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of USL League Two franchises. Mojo Hand (talk) 16:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Victory S.C.

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A WP:BEFORE search of archival newspapers from 2012 brought up only two hits total: a mere mention in a Boston Globe story about a local university's soccer team saying another team had played them in an exhibition, and brief coverage from Ottawa since the Ottawa PDL team played them in a game once. A web search brings up more mentions, but nothing reliable from non-blog sources. Fails WP:GNG, there's probably an ATD available somewhere though. SportingFlyer T·C 22:38, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Redirect to USL League article per comments above. It helps that Nfitz is a user who's finding a bit more about the coverage of this group, but that's not enough to save it. Granted, not making it to the cup doesn't automatically make a topic not notable (see WP:DIDNOTWIN), but it doesn't help that Boston Victory are an amateur team and most of the press generally don't care about anything amateur. 👨x🐱 (talk) 16:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 11:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Selin Hasbal

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A very similar case to Büşra Demirörs in that Hasbal falls short on both the SNG (WP:NFOOTBALL) and WP:GNG. Current sources are only a database profile page and 2 articles that mention her in passing (one is rescued here) and 2 UEFA stats-only match reports.

A Turkish search returned nothing better than a few squad lists and database profile pages. I did find a smidgen of coverage in Evrensel, which amounts to a brief quote from her and a mention that she is studying to be a PE teacher. This article is also mirrored in other places, such as Ekmek Ve Gul. One borderline article does not amount to a WP:GNG pass. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Which ones address Hasbal in depth? Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the coverage mentioned is so small, and therefore it fails to pass both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. Ahmetlii (talk) 18:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Banbury District and Lord Jersey FA

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A similar case to Redhill and District Saturday Football League. Online searches come up with extremely trivial mentions in local papers like Bicester Advertiser and Oxford Mail. See for example this, this and this. A search of newspaper archives came back with very little. Even searching for Lord Jersey Cup came back with nothing better than a few results listings in the Buckingham Advertiser. I'm not seeing WP:GNG at all. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:24, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Damla Çoban

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A very similar case to Büşra Demirörs in that Çoban falls short on both the SNG (WP:NFOOTBALL - see the Turkish TFF page for confirmation that her caps are only at youth level) and WP:GNG. Current sources are only a database profile page and 2 articles that fail to mention her (the AMK Spor article is archived here).

A Turkish search yields nothing better than database profile pages and self-published sources. Google searches do bring up some passing mentions but nothing more; Anadolu Gazetesi has a routine announcement, Kocaeli Gazetesi has a match report that mentions her in passing, TRT Spor has a squad list mention and Ozgur Kocaeli has another squad list with her on. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 11:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

3D Night

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The references used are IMDb and a bunch of copy-and-paste press releases, most of which are clearly marked as such with comments like This story has not been edited by Business Standard staff and is auto-generated from a syndicated feed.

This short film does not appear to meet our standards found at WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mudasir Gul

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A WP:BLP1E case, does not hold any encyclopedic value. No where near WP:NARTIST or WP:GNG. Hitro talk 09:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

L3COS

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Most of the refeeences are general and do not show notability fo this specific topic DGG ( talk ) 09:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 23:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vikash Verma

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Coverage mentions him in passing. Perhaps his film is notable, it does seem to be getting some publicity (but pretty much all I see is the usual press-release rewrites in Indian media). All he has (according to the article) is " the prestigious Bihar Government Award for rekindling bilateral ties between India and Poland" (also our article seems incomplete, his filmography starts in 2021 but he got an local gov't award already in 2017??). Sadly, in the current form there is nothing to confirm this reward is really prestigious, nor that the subject meets NBIO, but there is plenty to suggest we are dealing with the run-of-the-mill attempt to use Wikipedia to promote someone (without following WP:COI practices - the account that created this bio has written several others that are very similar, but no COI declaration has been made). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A note to administer Sir, I beleive this person passes GNG as he has multiple reliable news sources as The Hindu[1], New Indian Express[2], Times of India[3][4], Mid Day[5][6], Outlook[7], IANS[8]. Apart from this he has many good articles. I request you to check properly and then make a decision. Thank You. Suchayaar (talk) 16:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • KEEP

As per my knowledge and requirement of Wikipedia:General notability guideline and Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement, a person is notable if he is mentioned in list of secondary credible source of wikipedia which says “People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.”

The page “Vikash Verma” is surely falling under it, the person’s name is having a significant coverage in five credible sources which are on the list of reliable sources of wikipedia i.e. The Hindu, The New Indian Express, Telegraph, Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic. On searching “Vikash Verma” we can see a knowledge panel created by google and a number of Gnews coverage on regular basis. Besides this there are more than 500 national and international (Polish, American, UK etc.) media coverage which cannot be considered as trivial coverage and simply ignored. Also, these articles do not fall under press release category and are in-depth on the subject.

We have read and known about him since our childhood. Since the internet came to India lately, many news about him were in the traditional newspapers. But still if you trace the person's media coverage uptil now, you can find the person has got regular and significant online media coverage from 2001 to 2021, i.e. almost 20 years. Starting from article on Rediff.com and various others till date.

Not only this, “Vikash Verma” is credited for the bollywood blockbuster film “Lagaan” which was released in 2001. His contribution in the films like Deewangee (2002), Padamshree Lalu Prasad (2005) as actor, Bhoomi(2017), PM Narendra Modi (2019) fulfilling the criteria of notability of creative professionals.

Last but not least, as you see, Vikash Verma is the director of the movie “No Means No”, which is already acclaimed by various credible media sites as India’s first Indo-Polish film. So, being director of India’s first Indo-polish films, this person is itself an encyclopedia worthy topic and again qualifying for the notability criteria for creative professional.

So if you look into the whole journey of the person from providing security services to Bill clinton, Sanjay dutt, Steave Seagel, Vinod Khanna, etc., acting and assisting various renowned movies(including Lagaan) and directing India’s first Indo-Polish film which is already acclaimed by credible media houses, Vikash verma is qualifying the notability guidelines of wikipedia and deserves a standalone page as per my understanding or please correct me if I am wrong anywhere.

So please, it's a humble request to consider these factors and KEEP the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashitamlk (talk • contribs) 12:37, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment First thing is I am not involved in any kind of COI. I create articles in my free time as a hobby.

About Vikash Verma's article - According to the news sources He passes GNG as he has impressive and enough coverage in multiple reliable sources. About Bihar Government Award-  I saw this on a news article that's why I added it. If you feel anything wrong with it then I can remove it but I feel there is no issue to have this award on the article. Apart from this, You should check all news articles again. Suchayaar (talk) 01:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC) [reply]

  • KEEP

I want KEEP this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmartSameer Patil (talk • contribs) 16:43, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • KEEP
  1. I am of the view that the person has quite a few notable achievements. And am surprised and shocked to see that the article on Vikash Verma is put under article for deletion.
  1. There are innumerable independent and in-depth article showing up on GNews.
    1. Polish Media News
      1. Article in Polish Media 01
      2. Article in Polish Media 02
    2. Indian Express
      1. Article
    3. Outlook
      1. Article
    4. Lokmat
      1. Article
    5. Hindu
      1. Article
    6. Times of India
      1. Article
  2. Upon finding an article in The Telegraph which is on the list of reliable sources, his name is with  Mr. Bill Clinton, the President of the United States, during his presidency, as a security cover during visit to India.
  3. His in-depth and independent articles are featured in all the three media sources viz. The Hindu, The New Indian Express, and also in Telegraph, which are under the reliable sources list of Wikipedia.
  4. A tweet from the Polish Government (Polish Embassy) in support of the effort taken by Vikash Verma to strengthen the bilateral relation between India & Poland, and also a tweet from the Indian High Commissioner to Canada, Mr. Ajay Bisaria.
  5. Ms. Margaret Pepek who has supported Mr. Vikash Verma, in the making of the film and had personally handed over a letter of support to him.
  6. Hence the phrase “run-of-the-mill attempt” doesn’t sound appropriate and uncalled for.
  7. There are thousands of other articles in Indian, as well as worldwide Media including the Polish Media sources such as Times of India and so on which dates back since 2017 and can’t be doubted. There are new coverages since 2017, even in Polish Media. One More News Article on Polish Media, and also this article on Telewizja Republika.
  8. In one article of ANI News, Vikash Verma is known as the showman in India, and when his famous colour(Holi) party cancels because of pandemic, it becomes a news and that can be supported on various news articles listed when searched on GNews, and Google Search.
  9. After going through the article on pressreader.com, I found that The Hindustan Times Supplement HTCafe had carried the news in the year 2017, and also  the well known entertainment news channel of Bollywood MovieTalkies has written in-depth article about the award being given. This award was given in 2017 by the Government of Bihar, to Vikash Verma for setting up bilateral relationship between 2 countries not for film No means No, along side the world renowned film director Mr. Imtiaz Ali, and the world famous actor Mr. Sanjay Dutt and others. The award cannot be ignored as its not listed on Wikipedia. This is not the only one award he has got, he has also received a Mid-day/Jagran award which is a notable award.
  10. Vikash Verma is not part of only one film and his filmography doesn’t start in 2021, but from the year 2004, where he was part of the making of the film Lagaan, which is showing on the credits of the film[9]. Other films in which he was part of the films are Dewaangi, PM Modi, Bhoomi and he himself has acted in the movie Padmashree Laloo Prasad Yadav which is been featured on Rotten Tomatoes[10] , Metacritics[11] which are under reliable sources of wikipedia. (Source IMDB)
  11. There are very many print article available to view.
  12. In search for details on Vikash Verma, he is the person who has been on various social media accounts, he has been followed by more than 2,00,000 (two hundred thousand) followers.
My learned author might have overlooked and request Sir Piotirus, to please let the article stay in the interest of the two countries and the effort put in for it. Archiedesai (talk) 07:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A quick note on "Polish media". [8] fails SIGCOV, it mentions that a Polish actress is playing in an Indian movie, one sentence mentions said movie is directed by VV. [9] is a very badly written and chaotic piece (possibly machine translated from English) on some very minor website that almost certainly is not a WP:RS, and anyway it also fails SIGCOV. I have a feeling there is some socking/COI/PAID/VANITY issue(s) here too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have been following Mr. Vikash Verma since last twenty years and I am an admirer of him and his works .
Let me address the issues raised by your good self as follows:
  1. Its is difficult to understand that how a person not be notable if a media source has picked up the content from some source and has used some translation tool. How does that concern the subject on which the article is written? The coverage on the renowned news channel like Telewizja Republika and that too which was covered in the year 2017, are also to be doubted and questionable? Surprising to see The tweet 01, tweet 02, Tweet 03 from the the Polish Government and also tweet from the Indian High Commissioner to Canada, Mr. Ajay Bisaria are also considered questionable?
  2. The in-depth and detailed article in the “TIP - The Indian Panorama” published from Dallas & New York in the United States of America, is also to said as PAID/VANITY?
  3. As you must have gone through the article in Lallan Top, wherein the writer has even mentions that the Vikash Verma deserves a biography written on him.
  4. The award given to him for the trailer by Mid-Day/Jagran Group as mentioned in point number 9 of my previous comment has also gone unseen.
  5. Ms. Malgorzata Pepek, Member of the Polish Parliament (SEJM), Chairperson of Indo-Polish Parliamentary Committee; herself in person is providing and honouring Mr. Vikash Verma with the letter of support and co-operation, for his cause to strengthening the bilateral relations of the two countries Poland & India, which speaks of the notability of a person in a foreign country.
Your statement “I have a feeling there is some socking/COI/PAID/VANITY” is a point of controversy wherein your good self is doubting on the independence and integrity of the Polish Media and the sources which are on the list of wikipedia's Reliable Sources.
Why do I have a feeling that purpose of this discussion is only to delete the page and not to evaluate all the supporting references which are from the Reliable Sources WP:RS provided for the article to stay, and make a judicious decision?
I am sure that the person who has written such impressive articles on wikipedia and I am quite impressed especially for the historical articles, will take a neutral view and decide accordingly. Archiedesai (talk) 09:46, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Archiedesai - Twenty years ago, according to the references you quote, Verma was working as the head of a security firm. Deb (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, because of the security, I have been following him after knowing that he was with Bill clinton as a security cover for him during his visit to India. I have already declared that I have been following him since long around 20 years now. His media coverage since that shows that he is a security expert and specialises in Kidnap recoveries. Archiedesai (talk) 13:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:03, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sreejith Panickar

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No indication of notability and Fails to Pass WP:BASIC WP:GNG , Whether the local channel debater is a notable person...? The plenty of sources provided here actually gives just some trivial coverage and explains about a controversy related to him . Amal714pu (talk) 08:31, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Flipper Trophy. czar 05:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Flipper Trophy

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Ascension has some 800 inhabitants. This is basically a small village tournament, which can perhaps have one article for the total history of it. Individual articles for each year are completely unnecessary. Fails WP:N. Fram (talk) 07:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 05:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I.T.S Engineering College, Greater Noida

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Fails WP:ORG. PROD removed by creator. It's a private college and must adhere to WP:ORG. I don't see in-depth coverage. Jagran Josh is a profiling and not news. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 05:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There do not seem to be any sources that meet the requirements of WP:NCORP. Almost everything here is either from the company, or a mere notice about an acquisition. (There is an alternate way of looking at it, which is that any company with value > $1 Billion should have an article. I have suggested this in the past, but I now have my doubts, unless we could actually find people without coi interesting in writing such articles. ) DGG ( talk ) 04:23, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Emil Kirkegaard

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Recently recreated after an AFD in 2018. I don't see any good substantial coverage of him in the sources, which largely pre-date the last AFD. Notorious in certain Wikipedia-related circles, but apparently not WP:GNG notable. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 03:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There is plenty of substantial (significant in size, value, or importance) coverage of him in the sources. Your statement is factually incorrect, objectively. The sources provided and the number of them more than justify the existence of the article. As he (Kirkegaard) is a well known public figure who is constantly the source of various kinds of media attention etc., the existence of the article is useful and important for the many people who may be searching for him at any given time. Thus it serves a good purpose and should stay up. If the countless number of lesser/=/> known public/historical figures (random ex. 1, 2) (some way more controversial (NSDAP, etc.), who have pages with far less sources, some w/ less substantiality in totality) are left alone and are considered justified/fine (by virtue of being up/still existing), then one can only conclude that the nomination for deletion is a purely political move, which goes directly against what this website is supposed to be about (knowledge). As the article (Kirkegaard) is about a notable/notorious public figure, and as the article is well sourced (>30 to date, including sources such as Forbes), deletion is not even suggested in this instance according to this website's own guidelines. To say it is not GNG notable is an apparently very blatant lie (let's compare it to your article about an obscure chef no one (outside SF) has ever heard of; sources: 3 SF newspaper articles and a Tweet, plus a Jezebel article -- far less net substantiality than countless other low sourced articles + mostly low quality resources). Until concerted efforts are made by the community to accept and build the article, nominations for deletion of Kirkegaard articles will be nothing more than brazen and hypocritical political moves (IMO). --Lute Currie (talk) 05:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, contrary to Lute Currie's assertion, there are fewer than 90 possible sources out there, and almost nothing in the way of reliable secondary sources (WP:RS) providing substantial discussion of the subject. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: this article was created by an improper copy/paste move. I will perform a history-merge in the next few minutes, which includes a temporary deletion of the article before I'll restore it, so don't worry if for (hopefully) a brief period you'll see the article redlinked. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 13:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC) Done, let me know if there's a problem. --Randykitty (talk) 13:31, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete This guy is a not a well known public figure and the current article looks like a biased article written in favour of the individual (it is problematic because the article lacks reliable sourcing). Not much can be gathered about Kirkegaard as an individual or his life there are a few passing mentions of controversies he has been involved in written from a biased viewpoint. From what can be gathered on the web, Kirkegaard is a racial fringe theorist but there is not much in depth coverage about him just his controversial views on blogs. There was a previous afd plagued by sock-puppets and the vote was to delete. Emil Kirkegaard is indef blocked on Wikipedia I noticed [10] but is desperate to get onto this website for Google clicks. I find it suspicious Lute Currie is a brand new account creating his Wikipedia article. A few months ago another brand new account created this same page [11]. There is something going on here. Meat-puppetry perhaps? The political comment from Lute Currie says it all really "Until concerted efforts are made by the community to accept and build the article, nominations for deletion of Kirkegaard articles will be nothing more than brazen and hypocritical political moves". I am unconvinced these repeated article creations are being done in good faith. Psychologist Guy (talk) 15:54, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    There seems to be an ongoing effort to insert mentions of Emil Kirkegaard into other articles as well. See e.g. [12], [13]. Looks like this will need to be watched carefully. Generalrelative (talk) 21:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to OpenPsych Emil Kirkegaard is not separately notable from OpenPsych which most of the news coverage relating to Kirkegaard has revolved around. The redirect should be made indefintely extended confirmed protected in order to avoid repeat recreation, Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I should note that he has received an (unflattering) profile in 2017 from Le Temps, a well regarded Swiss newspaper, but that's the only significant indepth coverage of Kiregaard as an individual. Hemiauchenia (talk) 08:42, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete some very iffy sourcing.Slatersteven (talk) 16:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Clearly fails WP:GNG. Known among a subset of the WP community for POV-pushing on and off Wiki but not at all notable to the world at large. Generalrelative (talk) 17:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - and possibly redirect to OpenPsych (that would satisfy "people who may be searching for him at any given time"). The mentioned Forbes article for instance is a contributor's and is really about an event (WP:1EVENT), it's similar with the Wired article. Most other sources are also about topics like eugenism, conference controversies and OpenPsych, more than about the person. —PaleoNeonate – 20:15, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to OpenPsych I searched for Emil Kirkegaard on Google and Bing and looked for news sites that I was familiar with and which are, as far as I know, decent sources of information. I wasn't looking for any particular information, I just wanted a general idea of what the media thinks is important about him. I found articles at Vox, Vice, Forbes, Christian Science Monitor, and Global News. All of them are about the OkCupid incident. None of them talk about Kirkegaard himself in any detail. Maybe there are non-English or specialized sources that have more info about him but as far as general purpose English news sources go the Okcupid incident seems to be the only thing about him that's attracted much attention, and it's already described at the OpenPsych article. Squeakachu (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or redirect to OpenPsych - (edit conflict) Kirkegaard is part of a prolific fringe group, so a superficial search or glance at Google hit counts may give false results. Sources which appear superficially reliable should be scrutinized very carefully. This group has issues with WP:Walled gardens, WP:POVFORKs, etc. It's not enough to count sources and then !vote, we need to make sure these sources are reliable in context. Grayfell (talk) 20:28, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not wiki-notable independently of OpenPsych, since that article also covers the OKCupid incident. A redirect could be created after deletion, but the page history doesn't need preservation. XOR'easter (talk) 21:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, redirect to OpenPsych. I mentioned this on the draft talk page but this article has almost complete overlap with that one.Citing (talk) 02:47, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Lute Currie has now ported the Emil Kirkegaard article to the German Wikipedia [14] and a few days ago the Spanish Wikipedia (but that one was deleted [15]). Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This might well be a case of meat-puppetry (WP:MEAT). Lute Currie [16] is now uploading photographs of Emil Kirkegaard as "his own work". So he presumably took it. There is a possible conflict of interest (WP:COI) issue here. Psychologist Guy (talk) 12:24, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the different photos uploaded by Currie, they clearly are not "own work", but copied from elsewhere. It's a common mistake made by many new users that copying or scanning somebody else's images constitutes "old work". I have tagged several of their photos as copyvios and others for missing source info. --Randykitty (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The user's first uploaded image is a cryptocurrency-related Pepe meme that's circulated on 4chan and twitter since at least February. Trolling seems very likely here. Grayfell (talk) 18:58, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lute Currie has written a published article on the Occidental Observer website which is a well known white supremacist website. Anyone can sign up here and create articles as long as they meet criteria so I couldn't care less what his views are but this users editing appears to be political motivated [17] as his recent talk-page comment reveals so that is a potential conflict of interest and problem. I think this should be a speedy delete. Psychologist Guy (talk) 19:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Psychologist Guy: Agreed. I'm getting some serious WP:NOTHERE vibes from their replies to you on their talk page, including this bit that they thought better of and cut: [18]. Their other article creations (Lorenz Mack, Carl Julius Haidvogel, and Eduard Ritter von Josch) should also be examined for notability as well. The first of these in particular seems pretty weak on sources. Generalrelative (talk) 20:05, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To Your information: Speed deletion (SLA) as a result of regular deletion discussion in the German Wikipedia. Regards RAL1028 (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I would like to note that the sourcing could be better: I happen to know for a fact that there are reliable sources covering his... more interesting aspects. But the last time I posted those caused a bit of a ruckus, so I'll leave that to others to post. They weren't that hard to find, though hard enough that it brings up serious questions of notability.
Actually, strike that. I see that some of the sources used in the article are those same sources I mentioned. I wonder why the article doesn't cover those parts? Why is information determined to be relevant and included in RSes specifically to help characterize Kirkegaard being excluded from an encyclopedia page about it? I really would like to see an admin look into this question. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails WP:NPROF and there is little biographical substance in the article: he released some data that he scraped from the web, he founded a journal and he participated in a conference. I dont see enough for WP:THREE. --hroest 00:46, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Mercer Township, Adams County, Iowa. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mercer, Iowa

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This one is quite a mess, first of all because whoever entered this into GNIS put in the location of the label for Mercer Township instead of that of the actual "town" location on the topos, which is a little to the east. Second, the Iowa Ghost Towns citation doesn't mention this Mercer; this is a Mercer in Sac County, but not, apparently in Adams County, and therefore the claims about a post office cannot be substantiated from there. What the topos and aerials show at the crossroads is a typical collection of farms, some of which disappear over the years, and a church which I cannot find anything out about. If nothing else, this needs to give way to the Sac County spot, if it be notable (which I do not think is the case), but I just cannot see an article on this dubious place. Mangoe (talk) 03:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The 1895 Lippincott's Gazeteer does not have this (or even the township), but the 1918 Polk's has "a discontinued postoffice in Adams county". The 1880 Johnson's New Universal Cyclopædia has Mercer Township but no postoffice. None of them have a Mercer in Sac County. And that's about all that turns up. This Mercer in Adams county barely has documentation of its (non-)existence, let alone in-depth documentation for an article. Uncle G (talk) 04:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Redirect to Mercer Township, Adams County, Iowa, for now. I have found no evidence that anything other than a post office existed here, and Mercer is the name of the survey township. Detailed plat maps from the 1930s show nothing in Section 16, the purported location of this community. While many details exist for other Iowa communities nominated for deletion this week, there's just nothing for what was apparently a post office which apparently only operated for seven years. Firsfron of Ronchester 19:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 03:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mowtowr-e Khoda Nazer

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Disambiguates only one extant page. 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:24, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 03:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mowtowr-e Hajji Mehrab

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Disambiguates only one extant page. 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Roman Catholic Diocese of Saint John's–Basseterre. czar 05:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Family Cathedral (St. John's)

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Does not meet WP:NCHURCH. There is no significant coverage of this church in reliable sources. Rusf10 (talk) 15:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. I find it very hard to believe that any cathedral of a major denomination is non-notable per WP:COMMONSENSE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, believe it. Our guideline for this is WP:NCHURCH which states Individual religious organizations, (whether called congregations, synods, synagogues, temples, churches, etc.) must meet the notability guideline for organizations and companies or the general notability guideline or both. Churches are not granted auto-notability.--Rusf10 (talk) 17:45, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, it's a building we're talking about here, not an organisation, so WP:ORG obviously does not apply. That's not the sort of "church" it's referring to (the relevant "church" for that paragraph would be the Roman Catholic Church, not the individual buildings owned by it!). Please try to avoid citing irrelevant guidelines. The relevant one here is actually WP:GEOFEAT. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:16, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Sure, you could try to claim notability under WP:GEOFEAT which says Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability. (emphasis mine). It doesn't meet that guideline either. We also don't have a guideline that gives auto-notability to all buildings owned by the Roman Catholic Church.--Rusf10 (talk) 14:48, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Now, nobody ever said that, did they. I said that it is common sense that cathedrals (that is, the chief church of a diocese and seat of its bishop) are clearly notable, not "all buildings owned by the Roman Catholic Church". -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:51, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Nomination withdrawn, everyone (myself included) seems to be in agreement now. (non-admin closure) Rusf10 (talk) 03:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schroeder (constructor)

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When I originally PRODed this it had no references, now there is only one source. That source while reliable, provides no in depth coverage of the subject. We don't even know that guy's first name. The subject does not pass WP:NMOTORSPORT #7 Designers or engineers who have been covered extensively by the media or motorsports historians. The Indianapolis 500 may be notable, but that notability is not transferred to a builder who we know nothing about. Rusf10 (talk) 02:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep::Delete: This is on the basis that I AGF the nom. and prior !voters have performed a diligent BEFORE and searched available Indianapolis 500/Indy 500 books for information. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 05:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Persuaded to steer to !keep by [21]. Quality of BEFORE is open to question and failure to pre-tag existing article as commented below may be vexacious or incompetent or intended to disrupt the community but I need to AGF and assume it was not. Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - There is agreement (consensus) at WT:AOWR#PRODs of potential interest to editors that competing in the Indy 500 is notable; should also be noted that the 500 was part of the FIA World Championship at the time. Eagleash (talk) 06:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or move to draft space - Users at WT:AOWR were discussing these articles and the consensus seems to be that their subjects are most likely notable. Sourcing information about these constructors from 70 years ago during a pandemic is difficult as much of it is unavailable online so giving interested editors more time to compile any sources that may be available would be prudent. The lack of development of these articles is probably not helped by the fact that they've been mislabelled as falling under the banner of WP:F1 and not WP:AOWR. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just for clarity's sake, this particular article has both project tags at the talk page (as the others should do). It is not a 'mislabelling' as the Indy 500 formed part of the F1 World Championship at the time. Eagleash (talk) 11:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • The AOWR project tag was added earlier today and I didn't notice its addition in the time between when I last checked the talk page and the time when I posted my comment. Regardless the point stands that this is one of a group of articles which for a long time were not tagged as being under the purview of the primary Wikiproject for their subject area, which may have led to them flying under the radar in terms of being developed by interested editors. I notice that since I posted my initial comment a couple of sources have been added to the article, presumably because this AFD has drawn attention to the article. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • The item was created by a prolific and prominent member of the F1 project as part of that initiative. As the AOWR project was barely in existence at the time it may not have been considered. It is debatable which may be considered the primary project as the constructor seems only to have run in the FIA World Champ. It is good that 'things' have been added to the page – as is frequently the case with AfD, sometimes rendering the nomination moot. Eagleash (talk) 13:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Perhaps "mislabelled" was the wrong wording; to be clear I'm not trying to make any accusations towards any editors involved here of incompetence or negligence or attempts at disruption. I am merely highlighting that articles concerning 1950s Indy 500s are ultimately going to be far more relevant to WP:AOWR than WP:F1. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep. Thanks to Djm-leighpark discovery of a source showing the topic's first name, I was able to do a search where I found more coverage of him, as well as this. Not the greatest amount of coverage in the world, but far better than I expected. 👨x🐱 (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Chassis constructors for the Indy 500 are almost universally considered notable by WP:AOWR. -Drdisque (talk) 18:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I withdraw my support for deletion. It seems that sources have been found. The reason I had such a hard time finding them was because the subject's full name was unknown. I also support renaming the article Gordon Schroeder. Please note that I cannot close the discussion as nomination withdrawn because there is another delete vote.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:10, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Linn Branch

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Possibly non-notable. A quick google search and most of the sources i Saw were for banks within the town or for completely unrelated places. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Sourced, valid stub about a natural feature, which contains more information than merely its name and location. It's not surprising that more research than 'quick google search' would be required to learn about a rural stream.-2603:6011:1301:B1B8:6970:D914:4CB2:7E91 (talk) 19:25, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well if the first couple sources I see are for things completely unrelated, that makes me think it's non-notable. Care to provide sources related to it? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:34, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • You haven't done that more research, though. It's sourced to the dodgy GNIS and to the infamous Ramsay Place-Name Card Collection. The GNIS entry is itself also sourced to the Ramsay Place-Name Card Collection, so there's only one actual source cited, really. Ramsay is sourced in its turn to hdl:10355/82381, a 1938 M.A. thesis. And that comes from an 1897 map and the oral history of "Mrs Mary E. Vaughn, a lady who has engaged in collecting material relating to county history". Total informational content in the source: 2 sentences. Uncle G (talk) 02:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete I see no content beyond the steam's name and location. Mass-produced without significant coverage. The GNIS's coordinates for the mouth and source are just 1.6 miles apart near the Wyaconda River and I am unable to see any evidence of a stream between them on Google Maps so I don't know what would make this notable. Reywas92Talk 20:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • delete The topos show this as a short trace of an intermittent stream which from what I can see on those maps is simply a small network of washes which collect water when it rains hard enough, and they do not name it. I'm not convinced it actually has an name that has or had any widespread usage even in the area. Mangoe (talk) 03:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to 2013 United States Senate special election in Massachusetts. MBisanz talk 02:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriel E. Gomez

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Gomez is not a notable figure. He has never held elected office. He is therefore not a politician and does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for a politician https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Envato&lang=en&q=Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Politicians_and_judges — Preceding unsigned comment added by OverArmour (talk • contribs) 04:15, April 6, 2021 (UTC)

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  • Redirect to 2013 United States Senate special election in Massachusetts (I suggest the main article, not the "Republican primary" section, as he ran in the general election), as is standard for unelected candidates for U.S. Senate, consistent with WP:POLOUTCOMES. Yes, he received media coverage during his candidacy, but it's the kind of routine, run-of-the-mill coverage that every Republican or Democratic nominee for U.S. Senate receives. Coverage of his campaign does not indicate that it was a particularly historic campaign with enduring significance that would necessitate a standalone article. DanCherek (talk) 00:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Datability

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Non notable organization that fails to satisfy NCORP as they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. Furthermore the sources used in the article barely discusses the subject of the article. The ref bombing is merely a mirage to induce a sense of notability whilst in actuality there isn’t any. Celestina007 (talk) 01:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 01:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Concepción Cochrane Blaquier

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notable relative do not show notability . The miscellaneous trys at a career aren;t sufficient either. DGG ( talk ) 00:04, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete---non-notable career as fashion designer. The fact that she was born in an aristocratic family doesn't matter here, since notability is not inherited.---Darius (talk) 14:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Avalon Roberts

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This is a fairly typical political activist and candidate, who has not been elected to any government office. Coverage of her is the type any candidate or spokesperson for a political group would receive. There is very little biographical information about her beyond the mini-bios of her published by her (or her party) when she's run for office. Her professional accomplishments could warrant inclusion, if properly sourced, but I don't see that (beyond obligatory mentions of roles she's had, as part of election coverage). Rob (talk) 00:09, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't see run-of-the-mill as a counter argument here; it's not as if there are multiple associations of psychiatrists in Alberta, there's a single professional organisation that represents a group of specialised medical professionals, which also belies assertions of a lack of notability. Moreover, being president of the organisation indicates recognition from one's peers. I'm certainly on the fence for this, wholeheartedly agree that she fails NPOL, but the combination of political work, professional recognition and longevity of activity makes this quite borderline. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:29, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's a very broad interpretation of NPROF. The notes on criterion 6 state that only the head of a "notable national or international scholarly society" satisfies the requirement. This association fails on all three counts: it's isn't notable, it's not at a national level, and it's not really even a scholarly society (it doesn't publish a journal, for instance). If Roberts is notable, it can only be on the GNG front: the SSGs don't seem to move the needle. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm one for the spirit, rather than the letter of the law ... or ipso facto the Luxembourguese Society of Psychiatry is inherently notable and the APA is not, despite Alberta having eight times the population of Luxembourg. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 10:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But the association isn't notable, i.e. it fails WP:NORG. That means that Roberts fails NPROF, full stop. If we keep this article, that would result in the absurd result that articles on non-notable organizations should be deleted but articles on their non-notable presidents should be kept. NPROF was not written for cases like this one; indeed, it expressly excludes them. Criterion 6 was intended for organizations like the Modern Language Association and the Royal Society. I would suggest that interpreting it so broadly violates both the spirit and the letter of the law. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 16:33, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've commented elsewhere at AfD that "national" is a deeply problematic and contradictory threshold to attach to presumed notability which produces systemic bias (to me particularly noticeable during my participation in discussions related to India and Pakistan); but also visible here: there are more than 70 UN member states with less population than Alberta. In Canada, the equivalent society of the MLA for psychiatrists is the Canadian Psychiatric Association, in the UK the equivalent would be the Royal College of Psychiatrists, like the CPA and the APA, a membership based organisations open to practicing medical specialists. Being elected a fellow or president of these organisations is notable peer-recognition. The comparison with the Royal Societies is inappropriate, the equivalent for psychiatry, the Royal Society of Medicine, has a different status and does not carry the same peer recognition (eg one simply reaches a level of seniority and pays a fee to be a fellow of the RSM). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 23:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I conducted a WP:BEFORE search and determined that the association was not notable under WP:NORG. (My presumptions never entered into it.) If the association isn't notable, NPROF doesn't apply, regardless of whether it's provincial, national, international, or intergalatic. ("president of a notable national or international scholarly society", emphasis mine, is the standard.) In any event, it seems your issue is more with NPROF than its application to this article; perhaps you should start an RfC on revising it. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete presidency of the Alberta Psychiatric society does not meet any academic notability guidelines, the society does not meet our perameters for such societies the presidency of which makes one notable. There is no other indication of notability either.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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