Keep Fairly clearly meets the sense of an important label as given in the WP:MUSIC guideline, and the article has citations indicating the label gets regular coverage in music press. Chubbles (talk) 06:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I’d love to agree with you, because they seem really interesting, but… NCORP not NMUSIC is the right standard to judge them on, and everything I can see in the article is either passing coverage, or basic business process (the sale to new owners) coverage… but nothing giving any sort of extended coverage of the company itself. It’s all “band x signs to Rottweiler Records” and then a ton about band x, but nothing about the company. So weirdly they would count for the band’s notability, but not the company’s. Absurdum4242 (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as there doesn't seem to be any in-depth secondary coverage of Rottweiler Records itself as a label. There are a lot of sources cited in the article but they are mostly articles about individual album releases or announcements about bands signing with them, with minimal commentary about Rottweiler Records itself. (Agree with above comment that there is a lot here that adds to the notability of the individual bands though.) As for mainstream media coverage, there isn't much in ProQuest except a few articles in The Hindu about R.A.I.D. which mention Rottweiler as their label (like this article from 2018) and several articles about a different Rottweiler Records based in Tacoma, which promotes hip-hop. Fails WP:NCORP. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Port_Harcourt#Education. I just spent a lot of time on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Starlets Academy and this one is in the same vein, so to keep it short this doesn't meet WP:NORG either but we usually redirect non notable schools where possible. The redirect target has an appropriate section, although that section needs work, and probably explains why we have these unwriteable stubs. The page links secondary schools to a list of Port Harcourt schools with an inclusion criterion that schools must have a page to be on the list. The criterion is wrong and should be changed, or perhaps just merged back into the parent page. Port Harcourt should discuss the local schools, and if they ar enot due for a mention there, then they are not notable for an article either. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This secondary school has no single reliable source. Wikipedia is not Google. The school already has a map and no one even knows if it's a new school to verify. They are other school notable which ain't on wikipedia. I believe we should focus our energy on that than non notable schools. No point redirecting as school might be notable in the future as well. Gabriel->Hello.11:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The purpose of the redirect is not to keep non notable information, but because it is very plausible that someone would seek information on the school. Being non notable, they should be taken to a page that meets their information need. That is the Port Harcourt page, which has an education section. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting. This school (and no primary or secondary schools) are listed at the suggested redirect target article but there is a link to List of schools in Port Harcourt. Would this be a more appropriate target article if there is an ATD? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!23:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The problem with List of schools in Port Harcourt is that my attempt to make that a list of all schools in Port Harcourt was reverted. If this is redirected, it will be removed from that list, and then we will be off to RfD. That action pretty much scuppers my attempts at a redirect. I think that is wrong, and the only way forward I could see would be to expand the education section at Port_Harcourt#Education (and perhaps nominate the list of schools for deletion, as I don't see what purpose it would then serve). But to do that, I think I would need sourcing that describes Port Harcourt education and I have nothing. As such, I expect the deletes will have it here. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:17, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: 9th at the World Juniors isn't terribly notable (if we had better sourcing, you could perhaps build a case). Rest are sub-national competitions, that I don't think meet notability. Oaktree b (talk) 01:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Actually it was taken from simple wikipedia according to the creator here. Also stop changing the name when nobody recognises it as such. As to coverage thats your opinion at this point. ShovelandSpade (talk) 08:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also to clarify the article has over 20 references ranging from journals, to books to news articles, it by more than far is in compliance with wikis notability guidelines, there are a few claims which are unreferenced but I am currently working on adding sources for them too (I didnt make the article so), doubt that warrants article deletion though. ShovelandSpade (talk) 10:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There are no reliable sources calling the events at Nicosia Airport during the day of the Military operations during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus#23 July 1974, the "Battle of Nicosia Airport". It is WP:OR by a single editor despite protests from editors in the WP:MILHIST project. They have ignored and/or reverted any attempt to address this issue (and are still edit warring).
Most sources in that page indicate both the severity and name the battle of the airport yet two users seem to not only disregard that, are also straight up lying about whats written.
Cyprus mail article- "The battle for Nicosia airport wasn’t – objectively speaking – the bloodiest of the many dark events that took place exactly 50 years ago, but it may have been the most consequential."
Reuters article- "this airport was the theatre of some of the fiercest battles between Greek Cypriot troops and an invading Turkish army in 1974"
Im seriously confused as to why you guys are stiring up such a problem with an article that has more than ample sources, if we compare articles with the same events, such as Battle of Paitilla Airport, the sources are not only very few, but oddly enough its still called "Battle of Paitilla Airport" even though I cant see any of the 5 sources stating that name clearly. ShovelandSpade (talk) 15:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Read what im saying and stop going off on a tangent. As youve displayed here, youre moving the goalposts as soon as you see that you are wrong. Also I dont know if youre playing dumb or trolling but what is the difference between "Battle of Nicosia airport" and "1974 Nicosia airport battle"? They both have that keyword battle, so again, I really dont understand your problem with this article when all other articles use the same logic. ShovelandSpade (talk) 15:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article has been vastly improved since it was brought over by the user from simple wiki, enough sources from both journals and newspaper articles cover the intensity and notability issue, any other issues within the article are likely fixable. If it was, instead of delete it should be placed in the sandbox so that the users that still have an issue can fix it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by ShovelandSpade (talk • contribs) 03:49, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Looking for some input from editors who weren't part of the conversation on the talk page already - what does a fresh set of eyes have to say here? Also, please don't move articles while they're at AfD. Thanks. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 23:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: as suggested. This happened in and around the airport, it wasn't a battle to take over the airport (from what I'm reading in the sourcing). Most sourcing is about the abandoned building, not about this "battle". Oaktree b (talk) 01:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I misspoke in the nom about this article being "spun off". But I do think that a merge into the military operations article is logical. Ed[talk][OMT]06:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Given the unusual history of this topic title, is there a way to lock any redirect that might be created from the merge? I don't think we can just agree to "merge" this and then walk away, or we will have committed "new editors" trying to re-defend it? I personally don't think there is much material here to merge/keep that is not in the target link? Aszx5000 (talk) 12:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Mid-air collision Yet another major aviation incident that russia was completely tight lipped about, sadly, even though its tragic, due to Russia's secrecy it cant warrant an article. if this took place anywhere else it would stand as an article itself. Lolzer3k14:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This seems to have been an accident of some sort of airline flight. Plus, there were many casualties. If we can find sources and the airline's name, I'll say keep. If not, then as the others said, merge and redirect. The article does need to get fixed. Jeanette Ma' Bakker Martin (talk to me) 00:22, 9 October, 2024 (UTC)
This article cites 2 sources, both of which are trival. One is just a directory listing on the website of the town the company was located in, and the other is a single news article about a single incident of purely local interest. A google search for the company name results in nothing relevant except some AI generated content that appears to be drawn from this article and a couple seemingly-defunct directory listings. The company's website fails DNS. The company fails notability now, and since it doesn't appear to be in business any more the chances of it satisfying the notability criteria in the future seem slim. I'm normally an inclusionist kinda guy but I think we can do without this one. -- LWGtalk23:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Apparently British Bakeries was a subsidiary of Rank Hovis McDougall which was responsible for their various flour/bread products (including Hovis and Mother's Pride); presumably they came under Premier Foods when Premier acquired RHM in 2007. In 2014 Hovis was spun out of Premier to become its own company; it's unclear whether British Bakeries continued to exist after this. If either the RHM or Premier articles mentioned it, British Bakeries could redirect there, but neither does which suggests it's really not that important. There are a few news articles turning up on google for me (this being the most useful), but no real in-depth coverage which would point to notability. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:17, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1. It was moved from draft space to article space before it was reviewed and made live by the creator of the page
2. It was moved to draft space by other editors due to promotional tone, it seemed as it was written by someone closely connected to the subject
3. It was proposed for deletion and the final decision was to keep. However, the keep voters: 1 was a new account created just for this debate only (seems like it and it was an open IP, one was an editor banned for sock-puppetry)
4. There is someone constantly removing a section that is a bit negative about the subject
All this makes me believe that this page is being managed by someone closely connected to the subject. Additionally, i don't believe the subject is notable and most of the references are PRs and he is constantly self-promoting on the internet.
WikiProCreate (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Appears to be a celebrity plastic surgeon [1], [2], [3]. I'm not sure any of these show notability. Discussion in AfD last time was also questioning the Academic notability, noting that 1000 citations was rather low for his field. I don't see that much has changed since the last AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: He's been investigated by a few regulatory bodies [4], which doesn't affect notability. This information has been added/removed, suggesting this page is being actively curated by editors, likely for promo purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:BLP of a musician, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The attempted notability claims here are "started a record label", "was a member of musical ensembles" and "was artistic director of a music festival", none of which are automatic notability freebies in the absence of WP:GNG-worthy media coverage about them and their work -- but while this was tagged for PROD a few days ago as being completely unsourced, it was then deprodded by an editor who added primary sources (mainly content self-published by Laughton himself and/or organizations directly affiliated with him) rather than reliable or GNG-building ones. It's also a clear conflict of interest, as the article was first created by the subject himself under his own name. Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much, much better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 21:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I placed the PROD tag which was removed without a serious attempt at improvement. A promotional autobiography lacking secondary sources, no evidence of meeting WP:BASIC. AusLondonder (talk) 21:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep just... nuke 90% of it. Searching the individual book's names on ProQuest and EBSCO resulted in several reviews and per WP:PAGEDECIDE and WP:NBOOK it is probably better we have one article. The series itself may also pass GNG: it was released as Wicca, only called Sweep in the US, under which there is an entire journal article discussing the series as a whole and its themes (doi:10.1007/s10583-007-9058-). Haven't done a deeper look though. But wow overdetailed. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Almost all sources provided are primary, and coverage from secondary reliable sources is clearly lacking (in order to pass WP:NORGANISATION). Article also seems a bit promotional, but not enough to be eligible under G11, in my opinion; and is the reason why I brought it here to AfD instead of tagging it under the CSD criterion. CycloneYoristalk!21:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added many secondary sources that verify pretty much every single piece of information in the arcticle. If I am understanding the process well enough, this should save it from deletion. Am I right? Pedeiaenthusiast (talk) 20:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! I've been at work to improve this article significantly. Significant rewriting, addition of information regarding the organization's activities, and especially using news articles, research journal articles, etc., in place of citing organization's own website and materials. @Pedeiaenthusiast, the issue is described in WP:NORGANISATION, where the concern is that too many of the citations refer to arcturos.gr, when there is plenty of information (e.g. eKathimerini) that can validate these claims. I've also deleted passages that felt promotional and unnecessary for an encyclopedia (Vodafone) or that I could not verify elsewhere (number of students passing through the org).
Individual season for local league, fails WP:GNG, WP:N, and WP:FOOTBALL, no significant coverage and nothing remarkable that merits inclusion of this particular season in comparison with other seasons which don't have articles Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Staffordshire Senior Cup, not sure why you call Staffordshire local, it's a big area!! This occurred a long time ago so I don't know the coverage, there maybe some there in county and local newspaper searches. However I suggest redirect for now as alternative to deletion. Govvy (talk) 09:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't really serve as a useful redirect though, firstly because none of the other seasons of this cup standalone exist as articles or redirects, and secondly, it's useful to no one as people aren't really going to search that season specifically just to redirect to the overall article. Pkbwcgs (talk) 21:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative keep. Needs clean-up for tone issues, but I'm not seeing actual reason for deletion. Several of the sources are presenting their own original analysis. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep there's plenty on the TikTok incident, and I just added a short (about 1 paragraph) cite from New Yorker and an entire article from SCMP from just three weeks ago. Article needs to have some more support for their role in the global glycine market -- it's verifiable (see, e.g., [5]) but notability is from the TikTok incident which continues to be reported on. Oblivy (talk) 01:50, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
Bai, Yun 白云 (2024-04-29). Yang, Wenjuan 杨文娟; Fang, Tong 方童 (eds.). "爆红TikTok,这家河北化工企业什么来头" [What is the origin of this Hebei chemical company that became popular on TikTok?]. Hebei Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via People's Daily.
The article notes: "国外网友到底喜欢这家河北化工企业的哪一点?是视频里展示的生产线?记者走进东华金龙调度室,监控上能看到目前厂区所有工人的定位和移动轨迹,多条生产线上工人寥寥无几。陈莉雅介绍,经过不断升级,厂区的智能化水平大幅提高,很多工序都实现了无人值守,工人从最高时1500多人降到了目前的不足800人。"
From Google Translate: "What do foreign netizens like about this Hebei chemical company? Is it the production line shown in the video? The reporter walked into the dispatching room of Donghua Jinlong. The monitoring system showed the location and movement of all the workers in the factory. There were only a few workers on many production lines. Chen Liya introduced that after continuous upgrading, the intelligent level of the factory has been greatly improved, and many processes have been unmanned. The number of workers has dropped from more than 1,500 at the peak to less than 800 at present."
"意外成为TikTok"爆款" 东华金龙董事长谈"出海":对热度降低有心理准备,最终想法还是把产品做好" [Unexpectedly becoming a TikTok "explosive product", Donghua Jinlong Chairman talks about "going overseas": Be prepared for the decline in popularity, and the final idea is to make the product well]. National Business Daily (in Chinese). 2024-05-18. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Sohu.
The article notes: "就在最近,一家来自河北石家庄的化工企业突然在TikTok(抖音国际版)风靡一时。他们做了什么?并不复杂——剪辑一段展示企业园区和产品的视频,再配上关于公司业务介绍的字幕。但就是这样在国内用户看来“朴实无华”甚至有点“土”的短视频,在TikTok收获百万次播放,并催生一股“甘氨酸”风潮。"
From Google Translate: "Just recently, a chemical company from Shijiazhuang, Hebei Province suddenly became popular on TikTok (the international version of Douyin). What did they do? It's not complicated - edit a video showing the company's park and products, and add subtitles about the company's business introduction. But such a short video that seems "plain and unpretentious" or even a little "rustic" to domestic users has been played millions of times on TikTok and has spawned a "glycine" trend."
"当下的世界随时都会出现新的突破" [New breakthroughs are always possible in the current world]. 金融投资报 [Financial Investment Journal] (in Chinese). Sichuan Daily Newspaper Group. 2024-05-11. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via East Money.
Financial Investment Journal is published by the Sichuan Daily Newspaper Group. The article notes: "这家中国河北的企业全名叫“石家庄东华金龙化工有限公司”,成立于1979年,是专业的甘氨酸研发生产地。甘氨酸在食品中通常被用作甜味剂,能增强风味,还可作为工业及药品原料。东华金龙是怎么火的?2023年12月,东华金龙为了开拓海外市场,在TikTok上注册了一个官方账号,专门发布公司的宣传片。笔者也看过相关视频,客观地说宣传片也是蛮正经的。"
From Google Translate: "The full name of this Hebei, China company is "Shijiazhuang Donghua Jinlong Chemical Co., Ltd.". It was established in 1979 and is a professional glycine research and development and production site. Glycine is usually used as a sweetener in food to enhance flavor and can also be used as industrial and pharmaceutical raw materials. How did Donghua Jinlong become popular? In December 2023, in order to expand overseas markets, Donghua Jinlong registered an official account on TikTok to publish the company's promotional videos. The author has also watched the relevant videos, and objectively speaking, the promotional video is quite serious."
The article notes: "Donghua Jinlong, a chemicals concern in the northern province of Hebei, had put out a one-minute video to promote glycine, its headline product. One of many Chinese firms looking to break into overseas markets, the company was taking an unusual approach to advertise the compound – an amino acid mostly used in pharmaceutical manufacturing and only occasionally as a dietary supplement."
The article notes: "When the marketing videos of a Chinese glycine factory called Donghua Jinlong went ironically viral this past spring, influencers immediately capitalized on its exposure with slews of T-shirts and other swag. There are more than two hundred Donghua Jinlong-related products now listed on Amazon. Social-media accounts have become tools for strategically funnelling attention; an aspiring influencer might route viewers of, say, a popular TikTok video via “links in bio” to a series of other accounts—Instagram, Patreon, YouTube—where clicks are more easily monetized."
Well, so what? This is not an instant vote. As a Chinese-language editor, I have full knowledge of Chinese-related articles and the right to comment or vote on AfD if I choose, even without an account. I usually check AfD on the Chinese project every week or two and cast votes to either save or delete. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 01:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reviewed during New page Patrol. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Bangladeshi streaming-only series. Of the two references, one is a review and the other is a link to their own commercial. Article was deleted in 2023 due to creation by a banned user and recreated February 2024 by a new user . North8000 (talk) 11:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello my dear, I understand your concern, however I would like to mention that the word "twenteen" is a new word in the English vocabulary, being somewhat difficult to find related articles containing the word "twenteen", which made me look for articles that referred to the same stage of life of twenteens but using relatively similar terms such as "late-teens" and "late-adolescents". In any case, I thank you for your understanding and attention. If you wish to release my article, it is up to you, I just wanted to help. Wiki7Hell (talk) 00:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is entirely false. First, I have provided numerous articles from major news outlets on the talk page of Karima Gouit [6]. Second, she is a popular public figure with almost 10 million combined followers across all her platforms. I have listed multiple sources on the talk page from outlets that are recognized as reliable for non-academic matters WP:GNG, such as Le360 and Actu-Maroc.
Here are a few examples for you, that are of her "amazigh" work, not anything more than that, exactly what Skitash has been avoiding leading to this:
More sources can easily be found if you search in French, Amazigh, or Arabic. This meets the criteria. Just because you couldn’t find much, I raised the matter of reworking the page to reflect her current popularity, as she is no longer mainly known for being a talent show contestant, but for her many songs and acting roles. These can be easily cited from the sites I mentioned. However, you dismissed it entirely, focusing solely on the argument over "NOT" including the translation of her name in Tamazight, which led you to try and remove her page, again, all because of the language she primarily speaks and uses in her songs. Still, I won't talk about your behavior on matters relating to this ethnic group wiki page as it's not of the subject. TahaKahi (talk) 06:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete I don't think it's an slam-dunk delete as I think it's fairly close, but that's the side I fall on. TahaKahi, you have not helped the case for her article at all - things like social media follower numbers are not relevant and many of these sources are really fleeting mentions. And if you didn't want to talk about Skitash's "alleged" behavior, then you don't talk about it at all; making a point to announce that you're not going to talk about it is literally talking about it, and WP:ASPERSIONS are supposed to be avoided. I think you're a good faith editor, but I don't believe that you really grasp the objections that several people have brought up. Have you considered refocusing on Amazigh Wikipedia? It has fewer than 3,000 articles, so it sorely needs help more than English Wikipedia does. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 09:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, I’m not the most refined in writing in Tifinagh script, so I chose to focus on the English Wikipedia instead, as I major in English. My goal is to help refine a few subjects related to the Amazigh and revive the related WikiProject. As far as I see it, I will try to proceed more slowly with these topics, working carefully to ensure that everything is properly referenced from academic sources, especially when it comes to historical matters of the Amazigh.I’m currently working on a document to identify pages that are missing citations. I plan to rework these articles by adding proper citations, and once I feel it’s enough, I’ll begin drafting them. Unfortunately, I’ve been struggling with the Karima Gouit article, as, while she is popular, Maghrebi news outlets often write brief articles. Though such articles can be cited, they don’t always provide enough substantial information for a well-supported article.Beyond that, I’ve been trying to act in a more respectful manner and listen to the issues raised by Skitash. However, he has escalated a simple topic into a report on [7] and of course deletion of the page. This makes me feel that his behavior is not entirely in good faith. Nevertheless, I apologize if I come off as confrontational. It’s just confusing to me why this topic is being so overcomplicated for something so minor. TahaKahi (talk) 09:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm baffled why this "article" was created with a single useless sentence and zero independent sources. Do it in draft if you need to, not as micro-stubs without sources. Reywas92Talk15:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Apparently, this was begun as a work in progress. This is already listed as a Stub. Editor Another Believer has since added more sourced content that tells us why and when it was established. — Maile (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what "listed as a stub" means, that doesn't make a page notable. None of the sources added are significant coverage. All cemeteries were established at some point, a source providing that date and little else is not a basis for notability. Reywas92Talk04:15, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for asking. I should have been more clear. I was only trying to make the point that the article creator was aware that this article, as is right now, is only a stub and needs work. It might have worked better for the editor to first create the basic article in their own user sub page. But it is what it is, and let's hope the editor can add enough to keep this from being deleted. — Maile (talk) 04:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on the Washington Post coverage added, which I think adds sufficient color in prose beyond just listing database records. --Habst (talk) 12:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The full text is "ST. MARY'S CATHOLIC CEMETERY -- 2121 Lincoln Rd. NE. 202/635-7444. No cemetery office. Gates are open daily from sunrise to sunset. Originally this was a cemetery for St. Mary Mother of God Parish, established in 1845 at 725 Fifth St. NW. This was a working-class cemetery first for German butchers, bakers and others, later for Italians who were stonecutters and laborers. The oldest gravestone is dated Nov. 16, 1862." That's 3 sentences in a long article about the Washington cemeteries. Fram (talk) 12:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: More research is needed for this article about a historic site, which should be kept and not deleted. The delete votes aren't even source assessments. ---Another Believer(Talk)14:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the time you thought it was fit for the mainstream, and at the time of the delete votes, there were no sources. And I have replied about the sources in the above discussion anyway, as did Reywas. Please, instead of making false claims about the delete votes, write better sourced articles and articles about notable subjects instead. Fram (talk) 14:51, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Noted as an "interesting cemeter[y]" by The Washington Post in a "by no means complete list". I don't see how readers would benefit by deletion. Station1 (talk) 19:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A brief blurb about a commercial subject (and yes this is still a company, you can buy plots here for ~$1300-$3000) in a local lifestyle piece is nowhere near enough for notability. We need multiple IRS sources of SIGCOV and so far we have none. JoelleJay (talk) 02:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge into Illinois House of Representatives and appropriate elections articles. Unlike other electoral districts in Illinois or sub-national electoral districts in other countries, I do not believe individual state legislative districts in Illinois meet the standards of WP:GNG.
These are not like sub-national ridings in the United Kingdom or Canada, counties in the United States, in which there are political groups organized around district geography. They are not like wards in Chicago in which there are longstanding cultural associations or institutions independent of electoral politics.
Unlike congressional districts in Illinois, they do not elect Democratic or Republican committee-persons to any partisan body nor is there a substantial body of independent coverage regarding even their demographic characteristics.
The districts themselves are rarely written about. The "Representative district history" sections are a history of apportionment of districts generally as evidenced by the fact that all of the articles have identical excerpts. The more modern coverage that does exist is secondary to gerrymandering allegations (and the subsequent lawsuits) or the description of an election. While a subject of an article does not need to be the main topic to be significant coverage, it does need to be more than trivial. TLDR: These districts are not notable due to a lack of substantial, independent coverage just because similar enough entities might be. Mpen320 (talk) 15:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification. I was referring to the respective State Central Committees of the major parties [10]. Those offices are elected/selected from congressional districts. It is just another way that those districts are covered that state legislative districts are not covered.--Mpen320 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Just because something isn't covered or has full articles doesn't disqualify it from an article. Other states have articles for every senate and legislature (or equivalent) district; just because Illinois does not (likely because many of them are small urban districts) doesn't mean we TNT every article that has been created, and it is undeniably partisan. Nate•(chatter)16:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This is just pointing out other stuff exists on Wikipedia. I also acknowledge legislative districts in other states could very well meet WP:GNG. Your remark about small, urban districts, well these are all small, urban districts with no significant coverage or independent coverage. Also, I have no idea where you are getting that I am being partisan. It's an unfair allegation.--Mpen320 (talk) 17:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not sure any of the reasons listed qualify this article for deletion. These electoral districts have been around for a long time and are historical. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 23:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply. If they are so historically important, then why has no one been able to find any sort of independent, significant coverage of the districts? It exists for congressional districts. I could find a bunch of coverage on the creation/gerrymander of Illinois's 13th congressional district. I can find plenty of independent, significant coverage of Chicago wards such as Chicago's 11th ward (notably Ward by Ward by David K. Fremond. So why not these if they meet the barrier for significant, independent coverage? The fact that most districts have been around since no earlier than the Cutback Amendment in the early 1980s, is not in of its self meet WP:GNG. It is a classic case of existence does not mean notability.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No consensus here yet but I'm not ready to close this as "No consensus". More participants would be welcome.
Keep: None of the reasons given for deletion/merge are correct. These districts are used for election to the state House and the elections are partisan - see Board of Elections. The members of the sate House are shown as representing these districts - see General Assembly. These districts are exactly the same as constituencies/electoral districts for other sub-national legislatures - UK nations, Canadian provinces, Australian states, Indian states and other US states - all of whom have articles on Wikipedia. Obi2canibe (talk)19:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. While I was using machine translation to read the German sources, they are all either trivial mentions or routine coverage per WP:CORPTRIV. I tried as best I could as a non-German speaker to search for sources elsewhere and could find no significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. - Aoidh (talk) 16:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - The shooting itself, the saving of lives, and the subsequent awards and honors are the notability. I think it's worthy of keeping. Whether or not there needs to be editing might be a POV of how a person reads this. — Maile (talk) 00:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The way to fix this article so that it doesn't read like a straight violation of WP:1E (notable for only one event) would be to add more detail about Shaw did afterwards. We find out that he gets a lot of awards - OK. But the article doesn't tell us anything about what Shaw did with his fame, except for "consider" running for mayor of Nashville. Tell us what he's been saying publicly – has he taken any position on crime, police, or gun control, for example? Are there any reliable secondary sources discussing his life outside of the one big event and what he's been up to? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: to the article about the shooting. This individual is only notable for that event, nothing terribly notable about them otherwise. This article has more about the shooting/event than about him as a person. Went to school and got a job, six lines or so, then almost half a page about the event. Oaktree b (talk) 20:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s the issue though. This list could easily be merged back into the main article with no length or accessibility issues arising, which is what I assume SPLITLIST concerns. SirMemeGod21:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would support synthesizing the pages with repeated info. There is a list of fictional monkeys listed on the [[Pet Monkey]] page, which doesn't fit the other content on that page. I think those fictional characters need to be filtered and moved elsewhere. Monkeywire (talk) 17:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete : For a Norwegian/Cameroonian musical individual, there is a lack of coverage in both countries, only in Nigeria [11] which has the usual puffy language. I'd expect something from the home crowd if this person was notable. Oaktree b (talk) 00:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Still no consensus here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!19:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - mayors in a smaller territory like the CMNI have a greater influence on its politics than a similar municipality in Texas for example. As mayor of Saipan, its capital, Santos Rios represented the majority of the population of the Northern Mariana Islands. Anyone elected to this particular elected office is as influential within the CMNI as other "territorial-wide" elected politicians, and Santos is no exception. Scanlan (talk) 12:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply. Can you explain how he meets WP:GNG then? Similar mayors of cities in the continental United States do not necessarily qualify on basis of their influential position alone, but some like Wilmot Collins of Helena, Montana do.--Mpen320 (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep: The islands are tiny and don't have many media outlets, so coverage is sparse to begin with. [14] and [15] are coverage about the nomination and award. Oaktree b (talk) 20:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Opinion is still divided. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!19:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This is eligible for soft deletion, but judging by the page history, if soft deleted, this will be requested at undelete. Can we get some more participation here? Thanks. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, according to some sources, one of their products has been rated as the leading product in its category by Gartner's Magic Quadrant. Should not that make it notable? Sauer202 (talk) 21:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source for that claim is... Collibra itself! Any Gartner coverage of this is hidden behind paywalls on the Gartner website, so I haven't seen it, but I suspect it would qualify as WP:ORGTRIV under as "inclusion in lists of similar organizations, particularly in 'best of', 'top 100', 'fastest growing' or similar lists." Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Flash enemies where the character already has an entry. The Starman villain is so minor it does not need a mention and the in other media versions are already included in lists on the tv show pages. Rhino131 (talk) 13:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is actually the third deletion discussion. Originally deleted under this discussion in early 2023 prior to being recreated under alternative name which was then a no consensus at this discussion. Out of the 21 references listed on the page this is the only reference that may be notable but I cannot read it so not sure. The rest fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA or are otherwise unreliable. Would recommend a redirect to the original program it is based on (Yeh Hai Mohabbatein). CNMall41 (talk) 03:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep: There are reliable sources present, opposed to deletion. Also have a strong references from (The Times of India, medianews4u.com, Dinamalar, Indian Express Tamil). It was one of the famous show, and also notable cast. Original program and Tamil version are very different.. story was also changes. also cast also different. the original version was aired 1,895 episodes (lot of cast and long story), Tamil version was aired only 304 episodes. i am against of recommend a redirect to the original program. i don't Kmow why, You are very interested in deleting this article. This is third time for Nomination of Modhalum Kaadhalum for deletion. Strong Keep--P.Karthik.95 (talk) 06:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The references that you state (which I am assuming are the ones on the page) are all unreliable and fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Cast, number of episodes, it being a "famous show" has no bearing on notability unless there is significant coverage from RELIABLE sources to support. Can you link to the sources that are significant (and reliable)? Please do not link to anything that falls under NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Kalyanam Mudhal Kadhal Varai: or other target as proposed to be enforced by blocks or protection. I was AfD1 closer and AfD2 nom and I still don't think this meets the requirements for independent notability as sourcing is far from sufficient. StarMississippi02:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requesting a source evaluation: simply grouping all the TOI sources under RSNOI without properly evaluating each and every source seems inappropriate especially when the RFC on TOI does acknowledge that only some articles have issues.
After all, this is an Indian TV show and the only sources that will discuss this is Indian sources. Simply eliminating almost every source under this RSNOI from an information page doesn’t seem like a well thought-out rationale, especially when only TOI is on WP:RSPS. — Karnataka20:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are assuming that was not done. They were evaluated and are churnalism falling under NEWSORGINDIA. If there is one you feel isn't, please provide the link and I will have a look. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a perspective to have. However, being usable does not mean it can be used to establish notability. That is also the reason why I did not discredit these simply for being from the TOI. The many RfCs have concluded that the TOI needs additional consideration to determine if if it reliable for that specific reference. I checked them all and these are churnalism and promotional. If you want to provide some that you feel can be used to establish notability, I will have a look and withdraw the nomination if they are usable to establish notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Does not cite any sources, after a google search does not seem to have any sources available on the internet, article has not been edited for 4 years and most probably contains original research TNM101 (chat) 15:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recreation of page that has been twice deleted in two prior AfD discussions, the most recent in 2021. It doesn't appear that very much has changed. There is a 2024 podcast type interview, but this does not appear to me to contribute much to notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 15:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The criterion for notability is clearly defined in various sources. For instance, this excerpt aligns well with Wikipedia's notability criteria:
"Dr. Peter J. Middlebrook is a leading international economist specializing in emerging and frontier markets. His work has been featured in BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN, Time Magazine, the Financial Times, and MENA regional news. He led the technical development of the proposed Arab Stabilization Plan and has played a key role in the development of the New Silk Road for the US Government."
Administrator note I can't determine which of the SPAs above are sock or meatpuppets and which aren't, but some sort of illegitimate action is clearly taking place. The closing admin should consider this when weighting these !votes. I've also semi-protected this AFD in order to stop further disruption. The WordsmithTalk to me 02:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC) I forgot to link it, but see this SPI for details. The WordsmithTalk to me15:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete After looking through sources and taking quick notes, references clearly do not establish any notability. 8 are passing mentions, 3 acknowledge the subject as one of the reviewers or compilers of a large report, 2 only cite subject's work and do not discuss in depth, 5 are self-reported, and at least one does not contain the name "Middlebrook". I cannot access The New Yorker article to see coverage here; but with all other references falling through, I do not think it would provide enough coverage to establish notability on its own. The 2 other possibly reliable refs otherwise in my opinion are the finance assessment in Kyrgyzstan and the Al Jazeera appearance. I admit I did not watch the 30 minute video to get a sense of the subject's part in the story coverage. I think all together, these still do not provide proof of notability.Cyanochic (talk) 23:14, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Turkey is continually inventing, renaming and scrapping exams. The article has no sources to show why this exam is notable. Also the Turkish article is tagged that the subject might not be encyclopedic.Chidgk1 (talk) 14:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tagged uncited since 2009 and Turkish article is also uncited. Sounds plausible but probably needs a native speaker living in İstanbul to say whether this is notable. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep: There are whole books written about this subject such as "Bogaziçi Gezi Rehberi" by Jack Deleon , and "Boğaziçi sayfiyeleri" by G. V. İnciciyan. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 04:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yesterday, I just made a edit for the article of the forgotten animated series Rayman. It was just fixing up the layout and removing unnecessary materials however, when it came to the sources, most of them tend to have either little or no information, except the interviews.
Comment - if notability can't be established, I'd recommend a (selective) merge to Rayman 2 over outright deletion if it was created as an effort to promote that game. Not all the character/plot notes, but maybe some of the premise and production notes. Sergecross73msg me15:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not much to work with. The first one is pretty short, and the second one looks more like a database entry from a fansite. The third one is such a brief passing mention that it doesn't even mention it by name. Sergecross73msg me23:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing really happened in 1854 in relation to animation. The two listed events are war photography and early (but not the first) instanteneous photographs, leaving us with two births, of someone who was much later influential on animation through his cartoons, and someone who is known as an actress but was one of many people with a magic lantern show. None of this makes 1854 an in any way notable year for animation. Fram (talk) 14:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And? How is that a reason to keep an article from a different article tree? The link between e.g. Roger Fenton and his war photography, and animation on the other hand, seems very tenuous at best. Fram (talk) 15:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Blatant WP:SYNTH. Four events are listed, two photographic firsts (neither of which is directly related to animation, except maybe in the article creator's head) and two births, only one of whom would (much later) be involved in animation. None of the sources cited that I can access mention animation. Nothing I can find in a general web search mentions both 1854 and animation, except for animations of the number 1854 and animated retellings of events in 1854. Simply put, animation as we now know it did not exist in 1854, and this article is misinformation. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would have guessed this might be notable but it was tagged uncited in 2011 and there is no Turkish article. I could not find enough good sources to show notability. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, it's extremely odd this doesn't have an article in Turkish, typically official residences of heads of government are very well documented. Can we be sure that this was the actual official residence of the Prime Minister? All sources I could find were in Turkish, a language I do not speak, so I can't find anything verifying its place as an official residence. It isn't even mentioned at the Turkey section of the article about official residences. This entire article seems super fishy to me, almost tempted to lean towards this being a possible hoax article. -Samoht27 (talk)16:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
not notable person; I've read all the references and found no one that would address the subject independently and with a big attention. NYTIMES has its own announcement that it fairly nor deep, nor independent as they announced that Kate joined them. Qab Bi Av (talk) 14:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's the co-author of a newly released book that addresses Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter that itself has been covered by CNN, Washington Post, MSNBC. She and co-author Ryan Mac have appeared on multiple TV outlets to promote their work. Her work as a technology beat reporter speaks for itself. Chammyboy (talk) 14:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tagged uncited for years and Turkish article also uncited. I searched for sources but it is hard for me to tell if this place is notable as I am not a native speaker and don’t live in Ankara. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it is a well-known area in downtown Ankara and appears on pretty much all maps of the city. It is a bit like “Whitehall” as a term, and unfortunately literally means “ministries”. There will be sources in Turkish about the history and development of the area and its street, major buildings and historical significance, but trying to fillet that out of the general mass of items just about “ministries” would be a daunting task. Mccapra (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only trivial, interviews, etc with no deep real media focus on the Julia. The best piece from ARTnews has this:
“Clay,” she says, “gives me the freedom to create something intense, raw, over the top. It has allowed me to pile things up, break things down, play, and make mistakes.” Kunin loves the immediacy of a material that is “as basic as mud,” she points out. “I am addicted to the unpredictability and iridescence of the glazes I’m using as well as the range of their colors and their psychedelic qualities.”
Kunin grew up in Vermont in the ‘70s..... Later, she says, she rejected clay as a dull brown “craft” material but returned to it in 2003. She started exploring female sexuality and the body and began using octopuses for more metaphorical imagery. Frustrated by a series in cast glass, “I happened on an exhibit by the Chinese artist Ah Xian, who creates busts painted in traditional Chinese porcelain patterns from Jingdezhen, China. That initial spark of an idea has kept me going now for ten years.” Qab Bi Av (talk) 14:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have removed multiple embedded links. I will go back to check the sourcing on some of the claims. Seems to be drawn from non-primary sources for bio and CV type material. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. User:Qab Bi Av, as I noted on your other recent nomination, please review the guidelines at WP:BEFORE - before nominating an article for deletion, you should not just check the current sources but also "search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability" and "try first raising your concerns on the article's talk page". I looked her up, found several additional sources, and added them to the article. WP:ARTIST is the relevant notability guideline, and as far as I can tell, she qualifies including under the criteria of "won significant critical attention". Dreamyshade (talk) 16:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources are not suitable according to NCORP criteria; Forbes India only has a small sentence about the app. While China Daily only relies on comments from the Soul:
According to Soul, consumers who would like to buy virtual avatars mainly come from first- and second-tier cities. They accounted for more than 44 percent of the total users. Notably, the majority of such consumers are aged between 18 and 27.
Che from Soul said the creator economy would spur innovative business models and new monetization avenues, as users continue to invent and inject vitality.
"More importantly, it has become an important platform for users and creators to build an ecosystem, which furthermore will drive the diversity of the virtual platform and its sustainable development," Che said."Creating avatars helps creators to convert hobbies, personal expressions and creativity into profits and gives birth to new professions like that of avatar creator," said Che Bin, vice-president and product manager of Soul) Qab Bi Av (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
Zhang, Shuang 张爽; Wen, Hao 文浩 (2021-05-30). Wang, Yuechuan 王岳川 (ed.). "Soul全梳理:灵魂社交生态延展 打造Gen-Z沉浸式虚拟空间" [Soul Overview: Expanding the Soul Social Ecosystem to Create an Immersive Virtual Space for Gen-Z] (in Chinese). Tianfeng Securities [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Futu.
From Google Translate: "Founded in 2016, Soul uses the precipitation and retention of users' weak relationships (social relationships with strangers) on the platform as samples to generate users' social portraits and interest maps, and recommend relevant content or potential matches to users. The product design that superimposes the gamification gameplay on the App is positioned as a virtual social network belonging to the new generation of young people. In March 2021, DAU reached 9.1 million. 73.9% of DAU were born in 1990 or later. The company's top three shareholders in order of voting rights are Soulgate Holding Limited (the actual controller is founder & CEO Zhang Lu), Imagae Frame Investment (HK) Limited (Tencent) and Genesis Capital."
The article notes: "But the headwinds to a successful listing for Soul in Hong Kong are significant. ... Wang Qingrui, an independent internet industry analyst, said Soul had cancelled its US listing after rival social app Uki took aim at its business practices last year, alleging unfair competition in a lawsuit. The case arose from two Soul employees posting pornographic images on Uki’s platform, and then reported the company for violations, leading Chinese regulators to ban downloads of its app. Soul said the two employees acted “without our authorisation” and are no longer at the company. The two employees were found guilty. Wang expected Soul’s odds would be better this time. “Trying to list in this type of market, they must already be thoroughly prepared,” he said."
The article notes: "Soulgate launched its eponymous app in November 2016, matching users to like-minded individuals online via artificial intelligence after they take a personality test and list their interests. The app is especially designed to appeal to younger adults, with 73.9% of its average daily active users (DAUs) in March born in or after 1990. ... Tencent Holdings Ltd. holds 49.9% of Soulgate via a Hong Kong unit and has an aggregate voting power of 25.7%, while Soulgate founder Zhang Lu holds 32% of the company and 65% voting power, the prospectus showed."
"新股前瞻|Soul转港上市:三年合计亏损逾17亿元,腾讯默默买单" [New Stock Outlook|Soul's Hong Kong Listing: A Cumulative Loss of Over 1.7 Billion Yuan in Three Years, Tencent Quietly Foots the Bill] (in Chinese). Zhitong Caijing. 2022-07-05. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Futu.
The analyst report notes: "总结来看,背靠腾讯这样的“大佬资本”、营收迈入高增长通道、毛利率维持较高水平、Z世代是一片新“社交蓝海”...于关注Soul的投资者而言,这均是Soul身上不容忽视的投资亮点。不过,唯一遗憾的是,该公司目前仍未找到盈利最优解的表现,也正是促使其投资价值“打折”的主要原因。"
From Google Translate: "In summary, with the backing of "big money" like Tencent, revenue has entered a high-growth channel, gross profit margins have remained at a high level, and Generation Z is a new "social blue ocean"... for investors who are paying attention to Soul , these are investment highlights of Soul that cannot be ignored. However, the only regret is that the company has not yet found the optimal solution for profitability, which is the main reason for the "discount" of its investment value."
The article notes: "Zhang comes from a consultancy background. In 2016, as an internet newbie, she designed a prototype with PowerPoint and further set up a team of six people, which gave birth to Soul App, China’s popular gamified social platform featuring virtual identity and common hobbies. As of 2022, Soul attracted 29.4 million MAUs (monthly active users). Moreover, about 80 percent of users are Gen Z."
The article notes: "Soul is still in the early stages of monetization, but the timing for brands couldn’t be better, says Hazel Diliziya, a cultural and marketing consultant at Cherry Blossoms Intercultural Branding. ... Partnerships with Soul don’t look like ordinary banner ads. Rather, Soul helps brands create virtual scenarios to pique user interest and boost engagement. For example, during the Chengdu Motor Show in 2022, Chevrolet hosted a booth with Soul where attendees could design avatars based on Chevrolet’s IP and print them out for their physical admission cards. Soul also invited all its online users to create Chevrolet-themed avatars, which brought the automobile brand nearly 63 million impressions."
Previously Expired PROD. concern was: "Insufficient coverage in reliable sources; accomplishments relate to his company, not him, so he is not notable under WP:NMUSIC"—that still stands. This is just a largely unsourced database entry, and the provided sources do not talk about him but are generic product listing/database entries. Unless new & better sources are introduced, this individual does not appear to have enough sig, in-depth coverage. X (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:GNG and no evidence or claim of notability. The sourcing is poor, and the article has an overall promotional tone. There are not in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Father is notable but that is it. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Subject works for Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum according to the article and that counts, what raises concern is the significant coverage in independent sourcesTesleemah (talk) 05:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of it is coming from secondary sources, most of his career is referenced from news articles, his family background is referenced from Bangladesh: A Legacy of Blood, a very reliable source written by Anthony Mascarenhas, Humanitarian and social life is where there may be primary sources, i can remove that if you like. Thomas Khan 45678 (talk) 09:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
except for the article on halalop being a secondary source
It will be better if citation are from independent sources. And don't add any sentence you can't find references for. A notable stub will still stand Tesleemah (talk) 10:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This sentence may give you an idea what "promotional" means; "Sayed Zubair Farooq will win the election, because he's the best and wealthiest politician to ever live in or come from Bangladesh". Intrisit (talk) 17:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Another "Baker calls it a post office and there's nothing there" pop. place "town"; in this case it might be a rail point but nonetheless seems non-notable beyond the odd spelling. Mangoe (talk) 12:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KeepWP:NPOL is *not* a guideline that can be failed, that is, if a subject does not satisfy the criteria it does not mean they are not notable for Wikipedia. NPOL is an inclusive measure, not exclusionary. NPOL sits separately from the GNG because it provides "presumed notability" - the idea being that a person elected to office is generally likely to have WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. FWIW, no comments to date have indicated why sourcing presently in the article does not satisfy the GNG. Regards,Youknow? (talk) 14:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Youknowwhoistheman: If you have no comments on how she meets WP:GNG, then what is the basis of your Keep !vote?. There is no significant coverage available about her in the currently cited sources. Which source do you think provides SIGCOV? GrabUp - Talk17:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ohh come on @GrabUp, I agree that there are references to the elections in the article. However, if you use Google's tools effectively, you'll find hundreds of news reports on the subject from well before the elections, which are completely unrelated to the electoral context. Best! Youknow? (talk) 09:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have done my checks, and I can’t find any WP:SIGCOV sources. That’s why I voted to delete. I am asking sources from you becasue you !voted Keep, It seems your vote is not backed by any source; it’s just copy-pasted. That’s why you are failing to provide any WP:SIGCOV sources. GrabUp - Talk15:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What the heck? So you are now copy-pasting votes from your nominations? Lol, that means these were not based on your own judgment and checks. GrabUp - Talk14:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I copied and pasted because I agreed with Goldsztajn. If it's wrong to agree with someone, then that's not my issue. What's wrong with that? Do you have a problem with it? Regards! Youknow? (talk) 14:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goldsztajn: How can interviews help meet the criteria for WP:GNG? WP:Interviews are WP:PRIMARY sources and cannot establish notability on their own. Additionally, the BBC article doesn’t provide much depth about her, as it only reports on the passport incident without offering more substantial information. GrabUp - Talk07:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GrabUp leaving aside the status of WP:Interview as an essay, the text itself does not indicate that *all* interviews in and of themselves cannot be used to assist in establishing notablility, it depends on context. Obviously, puff pieces, PR etc are not, but HardTalk is renown as an extremely critical interview format. The BBC Hindi piece is not an interview but a news report. The Print piece includes quotes, but is not an interview, but a long, indepth examination of her life with analysis and sythesis of information. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 08:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The print piece is an interview filled with quotes from the subject. To confirm it is an interview, check the tags at the end of the article. GrabUp - Talk08:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Print piece has 65-70 paragraphs, around half do not have quotes. The basis of her notability is not one single piece, but the existence of multiple sources. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 11:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NPOL and WP:NBIO. The subject did not make any significant achievements noteworthy nationally and internationally to satisfy notability about the subject role as politician. Sources are also poor with passing mention to sources that are not secondary independent. RangersRus (talk) 12:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of the (non primary) sources here even mention the documentary, they're all on La Légende des seigneurs assassins (which this is a documentary about the making of??? why would someone make an article on the making of film and not the actual main film???). Even with that all the sources here are quite regional French sources under what is required from NFILM, so I have no clue if that other film is notable (could be, just judging off what's in the page). This was deleted on frwiki 3 years ago; I think this and several related articles (Thierry Mauvignier, Dylan Besseau, Guillaume Gevart) may have some promotional stuff going on here and on simple wikipedia but it is difficult to tell what exactly is happening here. There is this I found in a search which might be ok but it is the only thing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Dylan Besseau: or to Thierry Mauvignier#Biography. (Aside: replying to the nominator's question, the article they quote states: "Although this institutional project was initially intended as a making-of, it has become a work in its own right, surpassing the reputation that Thierry Mauvignier's short film was expected to obtain - the greatest irony for a film that was intended to be rather confidential') -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)20:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable per WP:MUSICBIO, she released one EP which didn't chart, and I can't find significant coverage of her or the EP in reliable sources in English or Chinese. Not notable per WP:NACTOR, as her only lead role was in the film Dreamtrips, and I can't find SIGCOV of the film or her as an actress in reliable sources, apart from that it was screened at a notable festival. In the last AFD, two editors said that it was in the Hong Kong Film Archive, but I can't find it there when searching for 夢之旅. I couldn't find any coverage of her as a radio presenter, apart from sparse coverage that she won the RTHK disk jockey competition. She left show business in the 90s or 00s to become an architect, and I can't find SIGCOV of her per WP:NARCHITECT.
Editors searching for coverage that I missed, please note that there's an unrelated singer Jennifer Chan from Hong Kong at JC (singer), who debuted in 2016. There's also an unrelated American Jennifer Chan, who's been a TV presenter. Wikishovel (talk) 09:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
From Google Translate: After hosting two seasons of 'New Land MTV,' Jennifer Chan feels that her performance has gradually improved. However, she finds that compared to radio, the satisfaction from television is greater and the creative output is higher. Although Jennifer is satisfied with her performance in the 'New Land MTV' program, what she dislikes the most is her chubby face. It turns out that at a height of 5 feet 7 inches, she weighs 160 pounds, which explains why her boyfriend keeps urging her to actively lose weight. As everyone knows, Jennifer and Vivian Chow are very close friends and were often referred to as 'the chubby duo' back in their radio days. However, as time has passed, Vivian's weight has steadily decreased, while hers has increased. Now, besides asking Vivian for tips on hosting television shows, what she wants most is to get a complete set of weight loss secrets from her. Jennifer joked, 'My weight loss goal is 30 pounds!' Although Vivian's diverse career is gradually on track, Jennifer does not feel envious because she believes that diversified development must focus on personal potential. Just looking at Vivian Chow's slender figure and elegant appearance makes her feel that Vivian is already a step ahead."
Poon, Siu-chung 潘紹聰 (2021-01-08). "DJ陳漢詩親述電台撞鬼" [DJ Jennifer Chan Shares Her Experience of Encountering Ghosts at the Radio Station]. am730 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.
The article notes: "如果閣下於八丶九十年代,要收音機撈飯的話,應該會對DJ陳漢詩(Jennifer)不會陌生了,與她同期出道的還有周慧敏及黃凱芹等。及後,她轉到新城電台開咪,而筆者亦因此認識到Jennifer。可是,她不久便離開香港到法國深造,能與她聯絡的舊同事亦不多。由於Jennifer 在香港電台工作的時間曾傳出她遇過不少靈異事件,但礙於一直未能由她親口作證,以往關於她的經歷只能由別人口傳而來。直接早前筆者突然知道Jennifer與另一舊同事方家煌開了一個YouTube頻道,主力分享他們於法國與英國生活點滴,久違了的Jennifer終於出山,"
From Google Translate: "If you were in the radio industry during the 1980s and 1990s, you would be familiar with DJ Jennifer Chan. She debuted around the same time as other notable figures like Vivian Chow and Wong Kai-kin. Later, she moved to New City Radio, and that's how I got to know Jennifer. However, she soon left Hong Kong to study in France, and there weren't many old colleagues who could keep in touch with her. During her time at the Hong Kong radio station, there were many rumors about her encountering supernatural events, but since she hadn't confirmed them herself, her experiences could only be relayed by others. Recently, I suddenly learned that Jennifer and another former colleague, Fang Ka-huang, started a YouTube channel primarily sharing their life experiences in France and the UK. After a long absence, Jennifer has finally resurfaced."
"黃凱芹變女鬼 嚇爆陳漢詩" [Christopher Wong Becomes a Female Ghost and Scares Jennifer Chan]. East Week (in Chinese). 2022-10-05. p. B78.
The article notes: "電台,是一棟歷史十分悠久的建築物,四層樓高空間亦頗多,在這幾十年來,很多次在工作的唱片騎師,都遇上各種怪事。八十年代著名DJ陳漢詩就曾經傳出一個經典故事。 話說當年最著名的鬼古,就是陳漢詩某晚在港台做通宵節目,到半夜三點左右,她突然見到唱盤上出現了一個男人的人頭, 便即時逃離直播室,更即時要求不再做通宵節目。 不過,後來已移民法國多年的陳漢詩,就曾親口說出,自己並沒有遇上這件事,但她知道真正撞正如此恐怖事件,其實是當年紅透半邊天的蔡楓華。"
From Google Translate: "The radio station is a historic building with four floors and ample space. Over the decades, many DJs have encountered various strange occurrences while working there. A famous story from the 1980s involves DJ Jennifer Chan. It is said that one night while doing an overnight program at Radio Hong Kong, around 3 a.m., she suddenly saw a man's head appear on the turntable, prompting her to flee the studio immediately and request to stop doing overnight shows. However, Jennifer, who has since immigrated to France, later stated that she did not experience this incident herself. She revealed that the real person who encountered such a terrifying event back then was the immensely popular Ken Choi."
Less significant coverage:
Wong, Kit-lin 黃潔蓮 (2010-08-27). "代Cult2:八十前DJ 等同節目主持,超錯!" [Cult2: DJs Before the '80s Were Equivalent to Program Hosts—Totally Wrong!]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). p. E3.
The article notes: "梁兆輝Brian,DJ已23年,... 1986年他參加全港「業餘DJ大賽」 ,並得到冠軍,同屆還有周慧敏和陳漢詩。他們一起加入訓練班,接受為期三個月的訓練,導師是鄧藹霖、倪秉郎,同班的還有阮兆祥和李克勤,"
From Google Translate: "Brian Leung Siu Fai has been a DJ for 23 years. In 1986, he participated in the Hong Kong 'Amateur DJ Competition' and won the championship. Among the competitors that year were Vivian Chow and Jennifer Chan. They all joined a training class together, where they underwent three months of training under instructors Blanche Tang Oi Lam [zh] and Simon Ngai Ping Long [zh]. Also in the class were Louis Yuen and Hacken Lee."
"等一個人咖啡" [Waiting for Someone with Coffee]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2014-08-18. p. E6.
The article notes: "但是,《三個小神仙》鄭丹瑞、何嘉麗及林珊珊相繼離開,香港電台要捧年輕人偶像接力,一個機會,周慧敏即時上位,變「玉女掌門人」。 Vivian的成功,沒半點兒幸運,事實,她同期受捧的年輕DJ包括黃凱芹、餘劍明及陳漢詩,在EQ(情緒智商)及Mental Age(心理年齡)方面,明顯成熟高質,奮鬥目標及雄心,早已超越電台範疇。她的成功個案,可以成為教材!"
From Google Translate: "However, with the departures of Cheng Dan-shui, Ho Ka-lai, and Lam Shan-shan from 'The Three Little Fairies,' Hong Kong Radio needed to promote young idols, creating an opportunity for Vivian Chow to step up and become the 'Goddess of the Arts.' Vivian's success is not a matter of luck; in fact, the young DJs who were promoted alongside her, including Wong Kai-kin, Yu Gam-ming, and Jennifer Chan, clearly demonstrated higher maturity in terms of EQ (Emotional Quotient) and Mental Age. Their goals and ambitions have long surpassed the confines of the radio industry."
Leung, Wai-ling 梁慧玲 (1999-02-23). "第二屆獨立電影週年展" [2nd Annual Independent Film Festival]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). p. C12.
The article notes: "香港國際影展今年強化第二届独立电影周年展獨立電影及錄影帶部分﹐與藝術中心攜手放映本地自主創作。獨立影片發行組織'影意志'則先聲奪人﹐率先在本月下旬首映多出作品﹐其中包括吳家龍的《夢之旅》﹐以極闊的銀幕比例﹐展示一次虛擬又帶點科幻的旅程﹐將影像的可能性徹底發揮。《夢之旅》由唱片騎師陳漢詩與郭偉安粉墨登場。"
From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong International Film Festival is strengthening the independent film and video segment of the 2nd Annual Independent Film Festival this year, partnering with the Arts Centre to showcase local autonomous creations. The independent film distribution organization Ying e Chi has taken the lead, premiering several new works later this month, including Ng Ka-long's 'Journey of Dreams,' which features an expansive screen ratio to present a virtual and slightly sci-fi journey, fully exploring the possibilities of visual storytelling. 'Journey of Dreams' features DJ Jennifer Chan and Wayne Kwok in its cast."
"《夢之旅》" [Journey of Dreams]. am730 (in Chinese). 2005-12-15. p. M15.
The article notes: "導演:吳家龍 一齣1999年上演的本地獨立電影,由陳漢詩和郭偉安主演。導演在戲中構思出一種有如茶餐廳奶茶的港式科幻,故事講述一個徘徊多倫多的失戀少女,利用一個叫“夢之旅”的電腦方程式,進入夢世界尋找逃婚男友。不少影評都認為,本片以詩化的影像融入城市建築空間之中,形成一種心靈的沉思,是在技術和資金限制下所迫發出來的無限創意。"
From Google Translate: "Director: Ng Ka-long. This is a local independent film that premiered in 1999, starring Jennifer Chan and Kwok Wai-on. The director has conceived a Hong Kong-style sci-fi that resembles the milk tea served in tea restaurants. The story follows a heartbroken girl wandering in Toronto who uses a computer program called "Journey of Dreams" to enter a dream world in search of her runaway boyfriend. Many critics believe that the film integrates poetic imagery with urban architectural spaces, creating a form of spiritual reflection. It is a manifestation of infinite creativity born from technical and financial constraints."
Non notable; New York Times article (I read it completely) only provides general information (likely from the website or press-release, e.g.a "The company’s website makes no mention of imaging people, or the privacy issues. Even so, reconnaissance experts say regulators should wake up before its spacecraft start taking their first close-ups").
Also I found other sources to be not SIGCOV Qivatari (talk) 07:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Very week keep actually. The NYT article meets WP:ORGCRIT. It has editorial oversight so unless OP is able to show the publication failed to do so it can be used towards notability. By weak, I mean the other reference I found was this in TechCrunch. Parts of the article are obviously supplied by the company but there does appear to be enough independent coverage within to meet WP:ORGCRIT.--CNMall41 (talk) 07:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fails NCORP - only WP TRIVIAL and WP TRADES, no significant reliable non-trivial coverage in the secondary independent sources. WSJ only lists it among others (clearly not WP SIGCOV); Standard also lists it slightly among other apps - there is not clear deep coverage of the subject; Techcrunch - routine annoucnement; Fast Company - also WP:ORGTRIV Qivatari (talk) 07:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Seems to be confusion about what ORGRTIV entails as FastCompany dedicates nine paragraphs to the company in an article written by a journalist. CNBC is also reliable and the reference meets WP:ORGCRIT. So does this Business Insider piece and this from TechCrunch which is in no way a "routine announcement." --CNMall41 (talk) 07:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines for organizations, as the company has received substantial coverage in reliable, independent sources. Lunchclub is notable for its innovative use of AI to facilitate professional networking --Moarnighar (talk) 08:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Articles about albums, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NALBUMS. As usual, Wikipedia's approach to albums used to extend an automatic presumption of notability to any album that was recorded by a notable artist regardless of sourcing or the lack thereof, in the name of completionist directoryism -- but that's long since been deprecated, and an album now has to have a meaningful notability claim (chart success, notable music awards, a significant volume of coverage and analysis about it, etc.) and WP:GNG-worthy sourcing to support it. But none of these three albums are making any notability claim above and beyond "this is an album that exists", two of the three are completely unreferenced, and the one that does have references doesn't have good ones: it's citing one review in an unreliable source, and one "Billboard chart history" that lists no actual chart positions and is present only to footnote a release date that it doesn't actually support rather than any charting claims. As always, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with much more expertise in Christian music than I've got can find the right kind of sourcing to salvage them, but simply existing isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt an album from having to pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 14:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable. No significant coverage. No reliable sources. No continuance of performance. Only YouTube clips, Twitter, primary website and 2 reviews in non-notable media for initial small run. A lot of information about a very small production with very little sources. Maineartists (talk) 12:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Low quality sourcing on the page, little else seen in good quality third party sources to show that this subject has notability outside of University of Warwick. Anything which has significance could be merged there. JMWt (talk) 09:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of WP:GNG and claim to WP:NCORP is none existent. Sources are 100% primary to the garden and its partners. It may be the largest garden chain but it clearly fails notability. Piscili (talk) 16:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quoting from that link “ While these comparisons are not a conclusive test, they may form part of a cogent argument; an entire comment should not be dismissed because it includes a comparative statement like this. ”
and
” In general, these deletion debates should focus mainly on the nominated article. In consideration of precedent and consistency, though, identifying articles of the same nature that have been established and continue to exist on Wikipedia may provide extremely important insight into the general concept of notability, levels of notability (what's notable: international, national, regional, state, provincial?), and whether or not a level and type of article should be on Wikipedia”
This specific article is written in a similar form to other articles on Garden Centre chains within the UK. Notoriety in this industry from examination of national news, appears to derive from commercial failure. Asterixthegaul (talk) 19:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no precedent. None of those have been through a deletion discussion. If you want this article kept, you need to focus on sources. We are looking for multiple reliable secondary sources with significant coverage as described in WP:CORPDEPTH. Are you aware of any? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The relevant subject specific deletion guidelines are WP:NCORP. Per WP:SIRS we need multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject that contain significant coverage of the subject at WP:CORPDEPTH. There are no such sources in the article. Anything with depth is from the company themselves, so not independent. Other sources that mention them, e.g. in the context of a National Trust press release [31] do not contain CORPDEPTH (and that is withoout consideration of whether a press release is independent). My searches have not found anything further, and no others have been presented at AfD. This does not meet WP:NCORP. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. 4 sources and all are poor. Source 1 has no coverage or even passing mention about the subject. Source 2 is deadlink. Source 3 has entry and Source 4 is a deadlink. No sources on the page with significant coverage to pass notability and this page also seems like promotion of an event held by law school students in Pune India. WP:PROMO. RangersRus (talk) 14:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Again, not eligible for Soft Deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!04:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:ORG. Of the 14 sources given, only 3 are not self-published by the Stalin Society or its affiliates. Of the 3 sources that are not primary sources, the Stalin Society is only mentioned in passing, as an affiliation of individuals the authors are criticising. A search on Google, Google Books, and Google Scholar returns zero reliable sources with in-depth coverage of the organisation. Yue🌙03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep coverage isn’t great but without too much searching I found this from The Independent, this Google book snippet and this from an independent (hostile) source. The article itself is well-written, neutral and discusses the society’s views by (correctly) referencing its own statements. Mccapra (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That piece by The Independent is cited in the article, but it suffers from the same issue as the book excerpt you linked: the coverage isn't in-depth. A lot of failed political candidates and local quacks would have their own articles if mere mentions sufficed. Yue🌙01:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the reliability and notability of some of the sources you brought up.
The Weekly Worker is not the paper of the CPGB; it is the paper of an offshoot of an offshoot (NCP) of the CPGB, the CPGB-PCC. Those Wikipedia articles themselves lack significant coverage from reliable sources. A supermajority of the sources in both articles are from the CPGB-PCC or its sister organisations praising the CPGB-PCC.
I am not surprised that the "Encyclopedia of British and Irish Political Organizations" contains a mention of the Stalin Society. But how is that mention significant or notable? I would argue that is not, given it is merely a brief mention.
Admittedly a weaker rebuttal with this final point, but I would contend that, although a journalist covered the organisation in detail, there is still no obvious point of notability given in this Wikipedia article or otherwise. What has the Society done?
Some of the previous editors of this Wikipedia article seem to believe that the British Stalin Society is the same Stalin Society in every other country. Do reliable sources make this connection? Is the Georgian and Bangladeshi Stalin Societies, for example, under the British one? Or are they merely inspired?
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting. Editors arguing for a Keep, please note the comments from the nominator. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!06:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:NLIST and is basically a WP:CFORK of characters already listed in Bulbulay main Wikipedia page. Only three characters are sourced and the references do not match the description provided (I will stop short of saying they are WP:FAKEREF). I would normally recommend a redirect as an WP:ATD but do not believe one would be needed here. CNMall41 (talk) 02:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as a standard WP:SPLITLIST of characters or redirect and merge to the main page if that seems feasible. (Note to "notability taggers": indicating the category (film, internet or in the present case television) puts the article on the radar of users willing to improve pages related to a given topic, whereas the "may not meet GNG" has it lost in an ocean of articles about other topics. Thank you) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)08:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: tentatively. The only reliable sources I identified under his YouTube name "Sambucha" is a Dot Esports piece on his involvement in the "Streamer Games" and a Tubefilter source briefly mentioning his content and listing him in the top 100 most viewed creators. If there were an extra piece or two that gave him more SIGCOV, I'd change my vote. But for now it's not looking too promising. PantheonRadiance (talk) 01:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This institution is unaccredited, and SCHOOLOUTCOMES#2 cannot apply. Thus, it needs to pass the stringent WP:NORG, which it does not — there is no significant coverage of the subject in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've expanded the article by adding several references, including to a fairly in-depth profile in the Orlando Sentinel, and to a book by a sociologist who describes the emergence of the university and calls it a "milestone". Notability is arguably established, and even if it isn't, more references with nontrivial material can be found. One of the primary purposes of notability guidelines is to ensure that there is sufficient material to create an informative article, and there is clearly enough published material on this university (even though one might wish for more so that an even meatier article would be possible). For further expansion, there just needs to be effort put in to tap that material and integrate it into the article. --Presearch (talk) 23:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you noted that this "fairly in-depth profile" has no author? So, no — an advertorial (churnalism) in a local newspaper does NOT add toward notability.
Notability is arguably established, and even if it isn't, more references with nontrivial material can be found This article is at AfD because I (and others) believe that notability is not established and I am happy to see you accept that. Regrettably, we cannot speculate about sourcing esp. that we are discussing an organization in USA and not, say, Sudan! Further, WP:NEXIST cautions, However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface.
It's not my case that no sources exist — 1 and 2 from among the very few hits in Newspapers.com — but that they are trivial and/or they are routine run-of-the-mill coverage. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added several more sources, all with named authors, and arguably all from reliable sources. All of these provide "more than a trivial mention," and in some cases the university was indeed "the main topic of the source material", so each of these arguably contributes "significant coverage" for meeting general notability (WP:GNG)
Regarding the Orlando Sentinel article, that may now be moot, but it's worth noting that the newspaper is reputable, and the userfied (non-Wikipedia) essay on "churnalism" acknowledges that "If a reliable source decides to fact check a press release and write a story about it, it then meets the definition of coming from a reliable source" - that raises the question of whether an absence of named author is enough grounds to treat this article as unreliable when it's from an otherwise reputable source (have you found any duplicate versions of the same material on numerous sites?). (By the way, friend, I suspect you know that a statement that something "is arguably established" is different than stating that it is "not established") --Presearch (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"News India Times" is not even a RS in all probabilities. And, a couple of articles in India Abroad — a now-defunct publication aimed exclusively at the Indian diaspora with a peak circulation of ~ thirty thousand — do not make the entity wiki-notable; if anything, such meager coverage in such a niche publication only goes to demonstrate the non-notability.
Further, NCORP has a higher standard for sources to contribute toward notability. This is due to the levels of (undisclosed; see WP:TOI) paid-coverage frequently engaged in by business entities. So, we look for sources that do not mechanically reproduce what the organization says and show some critical engagement. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fails to meet WP:GNG. The largest review I found is still relatively tiny. There is simply insufficient SIGCOV to justify an article at all, with the previous AfD citing mere announcements. What was good enough for 2011 is no longer good enough for 2024. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Already at AFD so Soft Deletion is not an option. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!04:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I found a little more coverage of the game (here and here), which, while not exactly stellar, is sufficient to keep the article alongside the other sources. Cortador (talk) 10:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:NOTTEMPORARY, what was good enough for 2011 is still good enough, unless there's a very specific guideline change that negates previous arguments. -Fangz (talk)
Also I found this academic article discussing the game. [32] and this Masters Thesis [33] -Fangz (talk)
Keep. There is a definition of exonyms given by the UN that means that such lists are not indiscriminate, but instead pass WP:LISTCRITERIA. By all means cull items that should not be there (such as toponyms that are the mere result of orthographic rules in different languages). But such lists themselves are encyclopedic. As for appealing to recent rulings, what's actually happened is that there has been a huge bunch of individual nominations, some closed very quickly, without any notification placed on the page most people interested in the topic would see: Talk:Endonym and exonym. OsFish (talk) 08:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject passed WP:MUSICWP:CREATIVE. He has released three different albums, he is a notable representative of Igbo raps with enough collaboration with other notable musicians. He also has reliable coverages for verifiability some of which are 1, 2, 3.Ibjaja055 (talk) 09:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Ibjaja055 so the sources you provided don't support notability as per WP:NMUSIC. But there might be sources in Igbo, do you know where I might be able to find them? I'm not an expert on Igbo or Nigeria so if you could point me in the right direction I'll try to find some sources and add them in. If you think there are offline sources then we can just send this to draft until they can be added.
Appears to be reliable after reading a few other articles
Article is 177 words and mentions that he has views on music piracy. Claims he's won awards but doesn't mention them
?Unknown
Daily Post
I'm not 100% sure but from reading some random articles it appears to be
Articles have writers and appear to be reporting properly.
Article is 125 words long and is about Mr Raw getting a shout out on Instagram
✘No
Daily Trust
Appears to be, not 100% sure but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt
Has other articles that appear to be
Entry in the article is under his old man and is only 119 words
✘No
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@Dr_vulpes Thank you for your prompt reply and I am also sorry for my late reply too. The sources I provided establish that the subject is a prominent figure in Igbo rap, and successors have acknowledged this by referencing him. The citations in the article may not fully meet the criteria of WP:GNG but they should be sufficient to pass the WP:SNG for WP:CREATIVE
The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique.
Delete Looks like it was just a post office. 1958 USGS maps show just a couple of buildings scattered around the area, nothing that could be presumed a community: [34]. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:41, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominated for deletion as all of the results from a WP:BEFORE search returned purely trivial mentions of the subject meaning that this article cannot possibly have the potential to pass GNG. This could be a good addition to a list page related to the field of aerospace engineering, however according to guidelines, this article does not fit Wikipedias mission. Thanks! Wibbit23(talk)02:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Getting this out of the way: the article is huge, but FANDOM pages are also huge, that doesn't have anything to do with a character's notability. In this case, Ryo does not appear notable, and the article only reinforces how Dan Hibiki, the character who is a parody of him, is probably notable while Ryo is not. What is not primary-sourced development information or plot summary is sourced entirely to trivial mentions or listicles that mention him alongside all other characters, only indicating KOF characters are notable as a group. I appreciate the effort to improve the article but Boneless Pizza was likely correct to redirect it in 2023. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I made sure it in reception to make sure it had a big impact not only in game journalists discussing him on his own in different countries. Also real people. There are cases of people reacting to his marketing, developers inspired by his story or involving him or simply how important was him being a guest character in Fatal Fury Special also inspired the creation of the fighting game franchise KOF.Tintor2 (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There are many articles on SNK characters (List of The King of Fighters characters), where I would struggle with notability. The recent additions don't show a significant change in notability. I think covering the character in an article together with SNK's other character would be more useful. IgelRM (talk) 20:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Comment After talking with other users, I tried cleaning up the article by removing reviews and pointless revisions. Most of thecurrent articles are primarily focused on the characters and games narrative with the exception of his Mr. Karate alterego which is more rare so I used few previews for that. Furthermore, I have just found that the internet meme was far more popular worldwide and expanded on it. I also made sure to keep the only important Fatal Fury parts as Ryo's inclusion in FFSpecial is famous for inspiring the KOF franchise as well as guest characters. Same with his role in kof as I only placed articles focused on him and or team. I also changed the commentary of Dan Hibiki and how the company reacted to Dan's character by creating another parody character.Tintor2 (talk) 17:32, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, for now. There's definitely some potential for discussion regarding Ryo here, and I do feel there is some ground where establishing him helps Dan's article. But many of the sources I've looked through here just aren't saying anything or really next to anything and are mostly reviews. While I recognize the monumental effort I feel it needs a far tighter scope and a near nuke to boil down what's actually said about the character.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not against any removal of content but I think the current article passes the rule of best three:
The internet meme that has been so popular that has been part of an official mobile game.
Ryo is the first guest character in gaming history, inspiring The King of Fighters '94.
Dan Hibiki.
There is also all those other articles that aren't focused about gameplay or story, but critcize it like how Ryo's age makes no sense in Fatal Fury Special, his ridiculously unfiting built appearance from KOFXV, his rivalry appeal with Geese from XIV, etc. I agree content can be removed but deletion seems sudden.Tintor2 (talk) 21:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But what three sources do you feel hold up the article? It's not just concepts, but the sources themselves. So many of the things here don't even mention the character much or in passing, and those that do aren't saying really much at all. While I'm not saying there isn't something here, it's hard to see that in light of all this. So if you had to start from zero, what fistful of sources would you use as examples of it being notable?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:36, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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'''Comment''' I rearranged the reception and removed most articles that are useless. There is only one review in a comparison the character has with Street Fighter in reception. The only paragraph that abuses a bit retrospectives is the small one of the middleaged persona. The Fatal Fury and KOF feature articles dedicated to the character they criticize his presentation, constant similarities with Ryu from Street Fighter, moves or role in the series. Tintor2 (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree that most of the notability is around Dan Hibiki and the feud between game studios. There is some borderline coverage for the character outside that. I am torn because it feels mostly like context for why the character became the subject of the more notable parody in Dan. But I could be convinced to keep the page to provide a richer context of this as a separate character. Either way, this article needs a serious clean-up due to weight. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I feel the improvements made by Tintor2 justifies this to be kept. Does it need clean up? Sure, but it's not bad enough for a merge, or a TNT, for that matter. MoonJet (talk) 11:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we were to clean up the article it would be the bike meme, how his story inspired a Game designer to join SNK, and iconic was he being the first crossover character for Fatal Fury Special. There is also Capcom's response Tintor2 (talk) 10:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see it kept. But. PRTimes = press release reprint, so fails requirement for being independent (and even then what I see there would fail SIGCOV, those are just some passing mentions in list). Blog = well, blogs are not reliable. gamesradar - one paragraph, very borderline SIGCOV, just a comment on how his apperance was kept a secret as a marketing gimmick for one game at some point. The last source translates very badly, seems like some rambling gibberish - how is this reliable and SIGCOV? I am sorry, I want to see this kept, but those are not three best sources, they seem like three worst sources. Or if they are three best, I am sorry, but this is a trainwreck that I'll have to pile on and vote delete (well, redirect>delete). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here06:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I went ahead following user's comments and trimmed the reception into the most important parts. I made paragraphs about how he was received in Art of Fighting , the meme, the cultural impact he has in Fatal Fury and gaming in general, and one paragraph solely focused on KOF and Mr. Karate's alter ego.Tintor2 (talk) 01:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I originally G11'd this article. In addition to maintaining that this is pure advertising, I have been unable to find significant coverage of this media outlet. Source assessment:
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Comment. I agree with the nominator that the article has a promotional tone and structure. However, in reviewing the sources during New Page Review, I considered the Radio Marti story and the Global Investigative Journalism Network story to constitute SIGCOV, which is why I removed the notability tag. However, I did not realize that RSN had deprecated Radio Marti a couple months ago, which would obviously make this ineligible to contribute to GNG. As a result, I won't object to deletion here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971 @Oaktree b@Voorts If Radio Martí was deprecated a few months ago, but the source you're referring to predates the deprecation, it doesn't necessarily mean that all articles from Radio Martí should automatically be deprecated? or bold yes? 2.137.154.172 (talk) 13:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like it was only depreciated as a source in April 2024 [57]. I would look for better sources if you have them; we could consider articles from before April 2024, but it wouldn't be the best choice. Meaning, we can use them, but in addition to other, better sources. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was deprecated in May when I closed the RfC deprecating it. The deprecation was not limited to May 2024 forward and my understanding is that deprecation is retroactive/applies to any of the source's articles unless otherwise stated (for example, the New York Post deprecation is limited to a particular time period), so we can't consider any articles from the source. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Simply for the fact that I can't find extensive coverage about this news source. I've found a few book references, but those are rather limited. Oaktree b (talk) 20:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The State Department, in its 2023 Report on International Religious Freedom in Cuba cites CiberCuba, in the Section III, Status of Societal Respect for Religious Freedom
This is a discussion about whether CiberCuba should have its own Wikipedia article under the guideline for companies. Specifically, this discussion is about whether there has been in-depth coverage of CiberCuba in independent, secondary, and reliable sources. Merely being cited by another source of briefly mentioned by that source does not qualify.
I found this "delete" dicussion in the top of Cibercuba wikipedia page.
I appreciate your answer with a link to "Notability", I see your point.
My answer were more in the sense to complete the table that is posted above in this disscussion, and the issues cited there.
I do not know if there are in depth articles about Cibercuba. I believe tha a local media that is widely cited (even in major international outlets or GOV sites) or even in Wikipedia (hundreds of references in Wikipedia point to Cibercuba both in english and spanish), and consistently have a large audience (of cubans or related to Cuba) is notable, and deserves a place in Wikipedia.
I believe tha a local media that is widely cited (even in major international outlets or GOV sites) or even in Wikipedia (hundreds of references in Wikipedia point to Cibercuba both in english and spanish), and consistently have a large audience (of cubans or related to Cuba) is notable, and deserves a place in Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, "notability" has a specific meaning, that a topic has received in depth coverage. Being cited by Wikipedia or other sources does not establish notability. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:27, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is really interesting this Notability thing. I just found this guide Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers/Notability, which give us a slighty different approach to a news site like Cibercuba and specificcally address the issue at the core of this discussion, and I quote:
"Newspapers can have a significant impact on the areas they serve, and in representing those areas to the wider world. Because its impact may be felt over a long period of time, a newspaper may be very significant, without attracting the kind of general review in other publications that would most handily fulfill Wikipedia's general notability guideline.... Additionally, while newspapers and magazines may review and critique other works of non-fiction (books, documentaries, scholarly works) it is not customary for newspapers themselves to receive the sort of reviews and critiques that often inform notability in other non-fiction realms."
Although there are some points to consideer that are not available about Cibercuba, being and independent (censored) organization in Cuba, there are specific points that are relevant to them, among them:
- It is referred to in one or more strong reliable sources as the newspaper of record for a certain locale, in the reputational (i.e., subjective) sense.
- Its content is or has been frequently syndicated or republished in other reliable sources
- Its articles are repeatedly cited (or its scoops frequently credited) by other reliable sources
In any case I also found some articles in other media that gives specific coveraga to issues where Cibercuba team were the actual news:
I even found a Master thesis in an Spain university that it is focused in compare Cibercuba and Cubadebate (one official/goverment funded news organization):
Communication of risk and crisis in the digital press from the informative treatment: A study of the fire in the largest fuel depot in Cuba in the Cubadebate and Cibercuba media
I don't believe that the sources you shared establish notability under the notability guideline for corporations. The WikiProject Newspapers essay on notability that you cited has not gained consensus in the community. here is my assessment of the new sources:
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It appears that most sources talk about the outlet in terms of how it has been dealt with by the Castro government; there's no clear editorial standards on their website
article is about the publication's staff being kicked out of an event
14ymedio post that clearly takes a side on a political issue and is aligned with CiberCuba
It appears that most sources talk about the outlet in terms of how it has been dealt with by the Castro government; there's no clear editorial standards on their website
brief mention about Change.org petition and censorship
Even if there is not consensus the page was keep there, linked and it express an issue common to all news organizacions: "it is not customary for newspapers themselves to receive the sort of reviews and critiques that often inform notability in other non-fiction realms, therefore I believe should be taken into account.
I found some precense of CiberCuba in TV with interviews:
- Interview of the TV program of America Teve dedicated in exclusive to some espionage documents revealed by Cibercuba, with two of their journalists: [78]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mf6xo3z9iI
I found some coverage in the officialist media of the cuban regime to criticize Cibercuba work. There are articles in .cu, domains (which are all official cuban organizations), tryong to discredit Cibercuba work. Are those critics notable coverage?
I tried to replicate your tablewith the references that were not included, but it did not work:
it is not customary for newspapers themselves to receive the sort of reviews and critiques that often inform notability in other non-fiction realms This is the opinion of some people in the WikiProject that wrote that essay, and it's an opinion that I happen to disagree with. Notable newspapers are regularly written about in nonfiction books, magazines, other newspapers, etc. Relying on another newspaper's reporting or interviewing its journalists about a story or reporting on a story that the outlet broke are not, however, secondary, independent, reliable sources. Additionally, the US embassy, the Cuban government, and official Cuban media/outlets loyal to the Cuban state are not reliable sources. Reliable sources are sources with a reputation for fact checking that have editorial guidelines. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There is significant coverage and if Ecured exists, it is an unreliable encyclopedia because this alternative and very relevant dissident media cannot exist in being supervisors of the Cuban dictatorship. My position is to maintain. 181.197.42.215 (talk) 18:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A news web site with millions monthly pageviews Similarweb, a verified Facebook page with 3.5 million followers CiberCuba FB page, with 260K indexed pages in Google, more that 10 years producing news, where THE two US presidential candidates where interviewed in 2020 Donald Trump interview, Joe Biden interview, as well as US senantors, mayors and other tp level politicians, with their news cited by the thousands in international media, including NY Times, BBC, France 24, Washignton Post, Telemundo and many others (see links above), with hundreds of citations in Wikipedia (where coincidentally, some pages were created in great part based on references from CiberCuba), with citations in the US state department and other .GOV sites its by all standards Notable. As Dan Rather said: “The best journalists are not part of the story; they are observers who gather facts and relay them.”.
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A club in the fourth division, which places it in a non-professional league. The article is significantly lacking in secondary sources, aside from those pertaining to statistics and standard coverage. EpicAdventurer (talk) 14:52, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. To provide some context, I plan on creating articles for Jordanian clubs that have participated in the Jordanian Second Division League, to which Deir Alla have in 2022. I set this as my limit, given that third-tier clubs and above participate in the Jordan FA Cup and there are no actively fourth-tier teams that participate in the national cup, unlike in some other countries. I don't plan on creating articles of teams that have only played in the fourth tier (i.e. the Jordanian Third Division League), as they are not notable enough to be discussed as an article.
As for the lack of "secondary sources", the vast majority of sources from that article comes from news articles that talk about the club. Zalata42 (talk) 16:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me - including if anyone can translate the ones currently on the article. GiantSnowman18:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Biological anthropologist with an h-factor of 34 and no major awards, created on Oct 2 by a user with (currently) 30 edits. Page is a badly written stub without much information. She has a good career, but I am not convinced she is notable as yet. Page was tagged for notability by User:Ipigott on Oct 3 and I draftified it on Oct 4. Tags removed and page moved to mainspace on Oct 7; claim by original author that she is notable, with no further explanation, attempt to meet any of WP:NPROF or reach concensus. Only possible notability claim is as a co-author of an Ig-nobel prize paper. I am not sure if we consider that enough. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I personally remain not convinced, particularly about AAAS. I remember being told by a very distinguished chemist who was NAS and an h-factor of 145 that nobody considered it that meaningful (he was FAAAS plus a large string of major awards). I also remain with reservations about the IgNobel. However, the concensus is clearly different so I am going to withdraw the nomination (if I can work out how to without more coffee). Ldm1954 (talk) 15:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think Fellow of the AAAS is enough for WP:PROF#C3, her citations are at least enough to make a case for #C1, the IgNobel may not be a major award but it carries a lot of publicity, and she's had a fair amount of other publicity for her work: along with the sources listed above, here are a couple more in Smithsonian and Scientific American. Bad nomination and bad draftification, as many of these signs and sources for notability were already present in the draftified version. It was very stubby but not badly sourced for what it was. You'll be lucky if the article author persists in contributing here rather than getting bitten by your bad nomination piled onto a bad draftification and leaving the project forever. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly disagree about Fellow of AAAS, that is not one that should ever count towards #C3. They elect ~500 per year from among people who have been paying dues. I also strongly disagree about her citations, by comparison to others in her field they are low - I checked, did you? She is in a medium citation field, and most of her well cited papers have more than 5 authors (sometimes far more) with her somewhere in the middle.
If you feel the Ignobel is major, then OK, that is your opinion but I do not particularly considering the topic. Some of the Ignobel papers are real science, some are a joke and not WP:Sustained. This one is a joke. Ldm1954 (talk) 10:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
N. B., you may not know that composites where one of the components is ice is a high school/intro MSE experiment, e.g. Boeing link. (We used to do this as a lab demonstration in the intro to ceramics MSE class.) If you look at the Ignobel paper they say the knife melted, that should have been caught by a referee. The paper has decent news coverage (27) but only 14 cites. Ldm1954 (talk) 10:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. AAAS fellow looks a little less prestigious than e.g. IEEE fellow, but I think it's enough for NPROF C3. The citation record is solid enough to give some support, and the Ignobel looks to give some progress towards GNG for a possible combined notability case. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I'd like to add that, as a second choice if we don't merge, I suggest we keep. The content is good, and the sources are at least marginal. McYeee (talk) 05:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OR without independent sources or any justification of the notability of the group. Fails other policies about what Wikipedia is not, like "Wikipedia is not a directory". Jontesta (talk) 02:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Completely unsourced list, most entries of which are minor, non-notable characters. Even most of the blue links are just redirects to unsourced entries in other character lists. No objection against actually adding sourced information to the Firestorm (character) article regarding notable, reoccurring adversaries such as Killer Frost, but merging would not be appropriate due the complete lack of sources here. Rorshacma (talk) 00:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OR without independent sources or any justification of the notability of the group. Fails other policies about what Wikipedia is not, like "Wikipedia is not a directory". Jontesta (talk) 02:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The article currently contains one sentence of sourced commentary, and searches are not providing any other significant coverage. Outside of plot summaries, there is really nothing but brief mentions stating what the concept is. Rorshacma (talk) 00:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of DC Universe locations#Limbo There's at least one short, sourced comment here beyond "story details or existence". No reason to go against the WP:PRESERVE policy here, and the lone plot-summary sentence at the target can be improved with the information (including publication information) here. Daranios (talk) 10:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BEFORE shows that this is barely mentioned in reliable sources which is not enough to pass WP:SIGCOV. There may be other elements of the novel that could be notable but this is a very minor element. Jontesta (talk) 01:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's only on the 53rd page of Google Scholar results for the pinyin version of the article subject that you start academic papers without the pinyin in the title. Almost all of them are inaccessible to me, but from what is accessible, it seems there is a lot of in-depth research. For example, this Korean paper [82][83] is a 30+ page article analyzing the location from a Buddhist perspective and appears in an accredited journal indexed by the Korean Studies Information Service System and DBpia, both of which are used by western research libraries (e.g. [84][85] from the University of Toronto). Can you explain why your BEFORE research led you to conclude that literally 100s of Chinese scholarly articles with the subject in the title actually barely mention the subject? Although the article would obviously be improved by citations, WP:NEXIST seems to obviously apply here. Perhaps reaching out to editors who are more familiar with and have access to Chinese-language sources would be helpful (e.g. WP:CHINA) instead of deletion. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions16:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are sources that talk about the setting, but not this singular setting. The Flaming Mountains are one such example of a notable article, or even the identically named Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu) that we don't want to confuse this mountain with. I have not seen evidence that this is notable as a singular and distinct article. Jontesta (talk) 19:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I literally provided an example of an article that is about the fictional setting. The title of the Korean article is "A Buddhist reading about Mountain of Flowers and Fruits(花果山) in Journey to the West(西遊記)". That is obviously not about any real life location.
Filtering the results to also include "西遊記" ("Journey to the West") allows us to home in on again, multiple pages of articles about the fictional mountain. For example: "汤克勤. "自由家园的建构与超越——《 西游记》“花果山” 新解." 广州大学学报: 社会科学版 10, no. 3 (2011): 60-65. (via Google Translate: Tang Keqin. "The Construction and Transcendence of a Free Homeland: A New Interpretation of "Mount Huaguo" in Journey to the West." Journal of Guangzhou University: Social Sciences Edition 10, no. 3 (2011): 60-65.) and 许兆康. "试析《 西游记》 之花果山的真实地点." 神州民俗 4 (2011): 150-153. (via Google Translate: Xu Zhaokang. "An Analysis of the Real Location of the Flower-Fruit Mountain in Journey to the West." Chinese Folklore 4 (2011): 150-153) both appear to be focused on the fictional mountain foremost.
I'm not familiar enough with the research, but if the Huaguo in Jiangsu has academic consensus for being the inspiration for the literary version, then perhaps a merger is warranted as an alternative to deletion. At the very least, there appear to be many academic articles describing how Lianyungang has used the connection for tourism, though some articles seem to propose alternate locations. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions21:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, some of those sources discuss Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu), the real location. I still don't see how this interpretation of it justifies a second alternative article. (The Korean article doesn't focus on the right mountain.) I can see the good faith in discussing an WP:ATD like merge, but there would be very little to keep since this article is totally without sources. Jontesta (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have provided prima facie proof that at least three scholarly articles are primarily focused around the fictional mountain, which is usually enough to meet WP:GNG. I do not have access to these articles/do not read Korean, but given the very high amount of Google Scholar hits for both the mountain and the work, it seems very likely that more academic work on the matter exists.
"The Korean article doesn't focus on the right mountain" Not sure what you're talking about here. The title of the Korean article is "A Buddhist reading about Mountain of Flowers and Fruits(花果山) in Journey to the West(西遊記)". As far as I know, there is only one Huaguoshan in the book. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions23:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Harper's Island#Cast and characters - A full, detailed list of all of the major, minor, and guest characters of the short lived series already exists on the main article, making this a redundant and pointless fork. The only information that is on this list that is not already present on the main article are overly-detailed plot synopses that should not be merged, so a simple Redirect to the main page is sufficient. Rorshacma (talk) 15:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an argument to merge presented as a deletion discussion: the list is clearly relevant to the Deipnosophistae, and there is nothing wrong about treating it; the question is whether it should be a stand-alone list or part of the main article. Since the main article isn't that long, it seems perfectly feasible to merge this list there, without losing any of its contents—although perhaps it could be reformatted to make it take up less space (and if not, it's still better preserved there than deleted). If more content or discussion in secondary sources can be added, the list can remain separate, or be split off again at a later time. P Aculeius (talk) 14:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Found no news articles on her. Only reliable mentions online are passing mentions from books about her role in the boy in the striped pajamas. Only sources this article had beforehand were Twitter and LinkedIn. Roasted (talk) 01:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisted. I'd like to see if there is more support for a Merge or if this article should just be deleted. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!00:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Benares brass" isn't a thing; it's just brass items made/sold in Varanasi. Just like there isn't a page for "Benares trinkets", there doesn't need to be one for Benares brass. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree that 'Benares brass' isn't a thing. At least, not in the metallurgical sense, as a particular brass alloy. I may be wrong - place-specific alloys do sometimes turn up, owing to oddities of local material supply.
But I'm not convinced that 'brass and brasswork of Benares' isn't a thing, just based on the sources already attached to the article. Is brass manufacture a significant and distinctive industry specific to Benares? Now that's certainly a thing, and there are many such locations where particular forms of metalworking are both distinct (the place is significant to the craft of brassworking) and locally economically important (brass working is significant to the place). On my own doorstep, an article on 17th to 19th century brassworking around Bristol and the Avon valley would be very welcome. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting to hear more opinions and also feedback on the Merge proposal. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!01:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting. This article has been a sock magnet, so I don't think Soft Deletion is the best option. It either needs the support of editors to keep it sock-free or to be Deleted or Redirected or Merged. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!00:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The Mughals and Marathas have been at war between 1526-1779, this article lists a collection of WP:RS battles and also the cronological events. Every history and major source agress there was a long lasting war between Mughals and Rajputs, there is no denying it. I don't see a reason this WP:Notable historic article has been nominated for deletion! Dilbaggg (talk) 08:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Attempted draftification, though perhaps the moving back into mainspace was unintended. I don't know what the notability standards for would be for a dialect, but it's actually been over an hour, no sources have been added, and the only source I could find on Google that was referring to the Algarvian dialect, and not Algarvian craft beer or the resilience of Algarvian culture was a blog post that was posted to a couple of websites. I dream of horses(Hoofprints)(Neigh at me)00:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I propose the deletion of this article as it fails to meet encyclopaedic standards. It contains numerous WP:NPOV violations and lacks reliable sources to support many of its claims. The content remains heavily influenced by original research and includes exaggerated statements about the individual’s achievements. Over the past two years, two users, one likely the subject herself, have edited the article. Earlier versions relied predominantly on interviews provided to non-reputable media outlets (not sure what the language is?), further indicating original research. The awards section seems designed to artificially enhance the subject's credentials, yet most of the claims cannot be independently verified, whilst the majority of the (notable) awards have been awarded for team effort. This includes journalistic pieces in which she has either contributed or claimed to have contributed, none of which can be definitively corroborated. Some of those are not reliable, others are mere contributions. As a result, the article is heavily based on unverified original research, and those involved in its editing may be breaching WP:COI. It’s also worth noting that the articles presented as the author’s original work, particularly on Gaza, are again contributions rather than pieces they’ve led. This raises questions about their WP: Notability. Previously, the language used in the article was highly self-promotional, with phrases like "exposed" and "uncovered," attributing investigative achievements to them that aren’t truly theirs. This one fails WP:SIGCOV. Finally, be mindful of potential input in this nomination from the subject and their associates. Happyaroundyoubabes (talk) 09:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject of this article is currently engaged in an online dispute and their page is being heavily edited, with this deletion request coming from an account who is politically motivated to try to delete the page. The subject clearly passes WP: Notability, and if there are issues with the page they should be improved, rather than the page being deleted. This deletion request looks vexatious to me, and part of a dispute about the journalist's work which is currently taking place on Twitter/X.--Jwslubbock (talk) 10:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The claim "user Fml657... is the subject of the article" is, based on the above, entirely without foundation, and illogical. The quite is ""Image provided by Manisha Ganguly", not "Image taken by Manisha Ganguly". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits12:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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