Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/BCE-CE Debate


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I want Wikipedia to accept a general policy that BC ("Before Christ") and AD ("Anno Domini", "In the year of the Lord") represent a Christian Point of View and should be used only when they are appropriate, that is, in the context of expressing or providing an account of a Christian point of view. In other contexts, I argue that they violate our NPOV policy and we should use BCE (Before the Common Era) and CE (Common Era) instead. Slrubenstein | Talk 22:13, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

  • This is my proposal. If you do not agree with it, please feel free to express your criticisms in the discussion sections, and to vote no. However, please do not edit the content of this proposal. If you have your own proposal to make, feel free to make your own proposal. Finally, if anyone I quote in the proposal feels I have misrepresented them, please let me know and explain how, so I can revise it.
  • If people think they can rephrase what I have written to make it more eloquent, by all means do so.
  • But PLEASE put any comments in one of the appropriate discussion sections, following the proposal, below

ANNOUNCEMENT: My primary purpose in presenting this proposal was not to take a poll, but to provoke discussion. Although there have been many comments (a few, especially among the “opposed” votes, quite thoughtful), I do not think there has really been much discussion, much dialogue. Many people state their views, without discussing them with people who have different views. One small example: although I and a few others have written comments and questions to people voting “no,” few if any of the people who oppose the proposal have asked questions of any of the sixty or so people who have voted “yes.” Moreover, it is a shame that most critics of the proposal direct their opposition to me, when so many other people support the proposal. Wikipedia is a community, a community needs to communicate, and the ideal form of communication is an open-minded discussion among people of opposing views.

I know that I am a polarizing figure for many people. Therefore, I will step out of this discussion for several days (Aside from maintenance chores). I hope that when I am gone, people on both sides of the issue will talk more to one another, asking questions and responding in ways that invite more discussion. Adios.Slrubenstein | Talk 15:12, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


Please place comments on the announcment/s at the bottom of the page, bellow the vote. Please make sure these adhere to Wikipedia:No Personal Attacks policy. For comments on the policy, see the Discussion sections bellow. Thanks. El_C 20:28, 17 May 2005 (UTC)