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With paid advocacy in its sights, the Wikimedia Foundation amends their terms of use

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The Wikimedia Foundation has amended its terms of use to ban editing for pay without disclosing an employer or affiliation on any of its websites—including all Wikipedias and sister projects. The broad scope of these changes, which potentially go beyond regulating only paid advocacy, will force the WMF to selectively enforce them to avoid ensnaring well-meaning editors.

The new clause, "Paid contributions without disclosure", went into effect immediately. It is placed under "refraining from certain activities" and reads, in full:

The only major difference from the originally proposed amendment is an opt-out clause, which came about in an extensive community discussion. It allows WMF projects to adopt an alternative disclosure policy if there is clear community consensus for it, similar to the licensing policy's exemption doctrine policy for fair-use content. The WMF-led vote was inspired in part by English Wikipedia editor Martinp. WMF legal counsel Stephen LaPorte stated that the goal was to create a "simple" process when "a project has consensus on a better alternative."

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The language of this paragraph is already being put to use by Wikimedia Commons, whose users are currently voting in large numbers to void the effect of the default rule on the site. According to the proposer, the "very special nature" of the Commons means that they need to "adopt a policy that allows paid contributions without any disclosure whatsoever. / ... content submitted by users who receive compensation for it ... is often of excellent quality and educational value."

Aside from this single clause, the broadness of the overall terms-of-use update has survived from the opening proposal—the WMF's first major move against paid editing—rather than just paid advocacy. Under the English Wikipedia's policies, paid advocacy occurs when someone is "paid to promote something or someone on Wikipedia". Paid editing encompasses all of that and more, being broadly defined as "accepting money to edit Wikipedia", but this is not always a negative action: "transparency and neutrality are key".

Objections to the amendment have been raised on the talk page designated to discussing it. Andy Mabbett commented that "If I am paid to deliver that training, and make edits during it, such as posting welcome templates, or fixing formatting errors in trainees' edits to articles, I now have to declare that I've been employed to do so. I even have to declare if I'm simply provided with lunch ("an exchange of money, goods, or services"; no exceptions are listed.) Ditto an editathon participant who is given a copy of the GLAM's guidebook, or a free pass to an attraction for which there is usually a charge." Luis Villa, the WMF's deputy general counsel, replied: "the purpose of the terms is not to catch users who make occasional good-faith mistakes; we think most users, most of the time, will do the right thing. At the same time, since this is a general terms of use, we can’t lay out every potential case ahead of time."

Editors have also raised objections to altering the Wikimedia-wide terms of use to address what they see as an English-Wikipedia-specific problem. The Commons proposal directly states that "the issue of paid contributions isn't ... as touchy for us as it is on (the English) Wikipedia", since "we do not, for instance, require our content to be neutral, and highly value original works created by our own users." On the Wikimedia-l mailing list, Risker skewered the change:

These Wikipedias include the fourth-largest and fast-growing Swedish Wikipedia.

The logo of the former Wiki-PR.

It appears that the WMF is crafting the amendment in broad terms to avoid another Wiki-PR situation, in which a public relations company created, edited, or maintained several thousand Wikipedia articles for paying clients using a sophisticated array of concealed user accounts. While the WMF insisted that Wiki-PR had breached the Foundation's terms of use (and Wiki-PR privately admitted to doing so), this relied on the "engaging in false statements, impersonation, or fraud" clause, specifically referring to part of the third bullet-point: "misrepresenting your affiliation with any individual or entity, or using the username of another user with the intent to deceive". It does not directly refer to paid editing or advocacy.

The wide scope of this amendment will cover a large number of good-faith editors—but it also grants the WMF's legal team a weapon that they will selectively enforce against bad-faith actors, such as the former Wiki-PR.

In brief

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  • Wikipedia Library expands with new JSTOR accounts, others: Multiple new account signups for Wikimedia content creators have opened up courtesy of The Wikipedia Library. Chief among these is an expansion in the JSTOR program, adding an additional 400 accounts. Interest in the program is at (as of publishing time) 367 accounts, with requests dating to 2012, when a partnership providing 100 accounts was first announced. Credo Reference has given an extra 200 accounts. New entries to the Library include the British Newspaper Archive, which has digitized a large number of British and Irish newspapers from the 18th through early 20th century, and Keesings World News Archives, which has in-house summaries of many of the world's events since 1931. The Library is also offering a new intern position, where students will be hired by partner libraries to create content with the resources available to them at the partner.
  • Wikimedia engineering report: The May 2014 engineering report from the Wikimedia Foundation has been published in summary, wiki, and blog forms.
  • April board minutes: The WMF has published the minutes of the the Board of Trustees meeting held on 25 April 2014. Highlights include an investment policy (comprising three tiers: an operating fund, a short-term reserve fund, and a long-term reserve fund), along with the previously announced approvals of the privacy policy and paid contributions amendment to the terms of use.
  • Tablet design gets a makeover: The WMF's mobile team has released a new design for tablet users. Based on their mobile design, the new look has received criticism on the blog post announcing the change.
  • Think Like a Freak: The authors of the popular Freakonomics have lauded Wikipedia in their new work Think Like a Freak, p. 215: "Let's also raise a glass to Wikipedia. It has improved immeasurably over the years that we have been writing books; it is extraordinarily valuable as a first stop to discover primary sources on nearly any topic. Thanks to all those who have contributed to it intellectually, financially, or otherwise."
  • ICANN: Top Level Design, LLC, with the support of the WMF, is proposing that two-letter domains for .wiki be released for linking to Wikipedia. .wiki is part of the expansion in generic top-level domains on the Internet, but ICANN has decided to initially withhold xx.wiki addresses. Top Level Design is asking ICANN to release the 179 two-letter language identifiers used by the various-language Wikipedias to the WMF, so that es.wiki will redirect to the Spanish Wikipedia, vi.wiki to the Vietnamese, and so on.

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2014-06-18

Worming our way to featured picture

This textbook-quality illustration of the anatomy of an annelid or "ringed worm", in this case an earthworm (Lumbricus terrestris), was created from scratch by KDS444, an extremely talented illustrator.
This Signpost "Featured content" report covers material promoted from 8 June through 14 June. Anything in quotation marks is taken from the respective articles and lists; see their page histories for attribution.

Five featured articles were promoted this week.

Titian's Pope Paul III and his Grandsons
American President John Tyler, painted by George Peter Alexander Healy.
Miranda en la Carraca, by Arturo Michelena, is a new featured picture.
  • Sesame Workshop (nominated by Christine (Figureskatingfan)) "Sesame Workshop, formerly known as the Children's Television Workshop, is an American non-profit organization behind the production of several educational children's programs—including its first and best-known, Sesame Street—that have run on public broadcasting around the world." "Sesame Street premiered on PBS in the United States in November 1969, and the Workshop was formally incorporated shortly after, in 1970. Gerald S. Lesser and Edward L. Palmer were hired to conduct research for the show; they were responsible for developing a system of planning, production, and evaluation, and the interaction between television producers and educators, later called the "CTW model". They also hired a staff of producers and writers. After the initial success of Sesame Street, they began to plan for its continued survival, which included procuring additional sources of funding and creating other TV shows."
  • Hurricane Kate (1985) (nominated by Hurricanehink and 12george1) "Hurricane Kate was the final in a series of tropical cyclones to impact the United States during 1985." "Kate originated from the interaction of an upper-level trough and tropical wave northeast of Puerto Rico on November 15. Though the system tracked erratically during the first hours of its existence, the intensification of a region of high pressure to the cyclone's north caused Kate to turn westward. A favorable atmospheric pattern allowed the newly developed system to intensify to hurricane intensity on November 16, and further to Category 2 intensity three days later. Kate made its first landfall on the northern coast of Cuba at this intensity prior to emerging as a slightly weaker storm during the evening hours of November 19. Once clear of land, it began to strengthen quickly, becoming a Category 3 and reaching its peak intensity of 120 mph (195 km/h) the following day. On November 21, a cold front moving across the Mississippi Valley resulted in a north and eventual northeast turn of the cyclone, and Kate came ashore near Mexico Beach, Florida, as a minimal Category 2 hurricane with winds of 100 mph (160 km/h). Gradual weakening ensued as the cyclone moved along the Southeast United States coastline, and Kate transitioned to an extratropical cyclone on November 23, a day after exiting the coastline of North Carolina."
  • U.S. Route 31 in Michigan (nominated by Imzadi 1979) "US Highway 31 is a part of the United States Numbered Highway System that runs from Alabama to the Lower Peninsula of the US state of Michigan. In Michigan, it is a state trunkline highway that runs from the Indiana–Michigan state line at Bertrand Township north to its terminus at Interstate 75 (I-75) south of Mackinaw City. Along its 356.5-mile-long (573.7 km) route, US 31 follows the Michigan section of the St. Joseph Valley Parkway as well as other freeways and divided highways northward to Ludington. North of there, the trunkline is a rural undivided highway through the Northern Michigan tourist destinations of Traverse City and Petoskey before terminating south of Mackinaw City. Along its route, US 31 has been dedicated in memory of a few different organizations, and sections of it carry the Lake Michigan Circle Tour (LMCT) moniker. Four bridges used by the highway have been recognized for their historic character as well."
  • Pope Paul III and His Grandsons (nominated by Ceoil) Pope Paul III and His Grandsons "is an oil on canvas painting by Titian, housed in the Museo di Capodimonte, Naples. It was commissioned by the Farnese family and painted during Titian's visit to Rome between autumn 1545 and June 1546. It depicts the thorny relationship between Pope Paul III, born Alessandro Farnese, and two of his grandsons, Ottavio and Alessandro. Ottavio kneels to his left; Alessandro, wearing a cardinal's dress, stands behind him to his right. The painting explores the effects of ageing and the manoeuvring behind succession; Paul was at the time in his late seventies and operating within an uncertain political climate as Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor, came into ascendancy. Paul was not a religious man; he viewed the papacy as a means to consolidate his family's position. He appointed Alessandro as cardinal against accusations of nepotism, fathered a number of illegitimate children and spent large sums of church money collecting art and antiquities. Around 1545 Charles took political and military advantage, weakening Paul's hold on the papacy. Aware of the changing tides of influence, Titian abandoned the commission before completion, and for the next 100 years the painting languished unframed in a Farnese cellar."
  • John Tyler (nominated by Designate and Wehwalt) "John Tyler (March 29, 1790 – January 18, 1862) was the tenth President of the United States (1841–1845). He was elected vice president on the 1840 Whig ticket with William Henry Harrison, and became president after his running mate's death in April 1841. Tyler's opposition to nationalism and emphatic support of states' rights endeared him to his fellow Virginians but alienated him from both major parties in Washington. A firm believer in manifest destiny, President Tyler sought to strengthen and preserve the Union through territorial expansion, most notably the annexation of the independent Republic of Texas in his last days in office."

Five featured lists were promoted this week.

Sitta europaea europaea, one of the Eurasian nuthatch subspecies that appear in a new featured list.
Uwe Aranas's photograph of the Kota Kinabalu City Mosque is a new featured picture.
Trailer for the game Dustforce, another of the many video game images and videos that have gotten released thanks to the efforts of our volunteers, in this case, Hahnchen.

Twenty-two featured pictures were promoted this week.

The quire of Exeter Cathedral, photographed by David Iliff.
The trams of the Nice tramway are designed to blend in with the architecture of Nice, France.
Besides his restoration work, Crisco 1492, or Chris Woodrich, is also a superb photographer, as this photo of Banyunibo temple in Indonesia shows.
Thaddeus Mortimer Fowler's 1902 map of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, as restored by former Pittsburgh native, Adam Cuerden.
A $5 National Gold Bank Note, part of Godot13's work on rare currency.

One featured portal was promoted this week.

  • Portal:Literature (nominated by Sven Manguard) It's honestly a bit hard to describe a well-done portal, because a well-done portal is designed in such a way that one gets what one would expect based on the portal's name. And this is certainly a well-done portal, covering all varieties of literature from as much of the world as either featured articles or pictures allow.


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2014-06-18

Wikimedia Bangladesh: a chapter's five-year journey


Dear All,
It gives me great pleasure to announce that Wikimedia Bangladesh (WMBD) has successfully completed its local registration in Bangladesh. Our application for registration was approved by the Registrar of Joint Stock Companies & Firms - Bangladesh on 9th June, 2014 and I have collected the certificate of registration today (10th June, 2014).
Wikimedia Bangladesh has been registered under the Societies Registration Act of Bangladesh & our official name is Wikimedia Bangladesh Foundation.

This announcement from Wikimedia Bangladesh's chapter treasurer, Ali Haidar Khan (also known as Tonmoy), was widely welcomed on the Wikimedia-l email list. The first inklings of the organization formed in 2009, but they only received official local registration from the civil authorities on 10 June 2014. The long road in-between was subject to much persistence, patience, and luck—along with a good deal of worry.

Ali, who is vice-chair of the Wikimedia Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC), a credit analyst by profession, and an MBA student, spoke to the Signpost from Bangladesh. This report is based on his interview with us, along with statements from Lane Rasberry (Bluerasberry), who has visited Bangladesh and is currently a Wikimedian-in-residence in New York.

Bluerasberry notes that Bengali is one of the world's most widely spoken languages, with more than 210 million native speakers. In addition to Bangladesh, it is spoken in India, several other Asian countries, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Bluerasberry says that the way that the Bangladeshi chapter managed its registration, without providing the standard bribes or tips to hasten the process, should be a matter of pride for the Bangladeshi chapter and the Bangladeshi government. He believes that by registering without paying tips, the chapter made an important social statement that members of the chapter will be talking about 20 years from now.

The beginning

The road to becoming a Wikimedia chapter started five years ago in 2009. When Bangladeshi Wikimedians saw that other chapters were forming and doing well, they also wanted to have one in Bangladesh. Their volunteer base was small but they started to increase their offline events, holding meetings that grew to be regular occurrences. They started discussions about becoming a chapter without any knowledge of the complexities of the legal requirements. Around 2009, they also learned that India was in the process of forming a chapter, which further motivated them to want a chapter of their own. Bangladeshi Wikimedians were all volunteers, and didn't know that grants could be applied for from the Wikimedia Foundation to assist them. So, the group prepared to be entirely self-reliant.

At the beginning, the Bangladeshi Wikimedians looked into the possibility of hiring a lawyer to prepare bylaws for the chapter in accordance with Wikimedia Foundation and local regulations. However, writing bylaws that satisfied both sets of regulations proved to be complicated, and it was not easy to find a lawyer who would gain the necessary familiarity with the Foundation's side of the regulations—this could involve significant legal fees.

Ali went on a personal search to identify a law student who was also a Wikimedia volunteer and could help with writing the bylaws, which ultimately did not succeed. In 2010, Bangladeshi Wikimedians decided to write the bylaws themselves, and asked Ali to help. Of the Wikimedians involved in the chapter, only Ali had some existing knowledge of Bangladeshi government agencies. In preparation for creating the chapter, Ali studied Bangladeshi laws, and the bylaws of other Bangladeshi foundations and of existing Wikimedia chapters. Tanvir Rahman and other members of the executive committee helped with this process.

The writing of the bylaws began in early 2011, and took about two months. In April, the bylaws were submitted to the Wikimedia Chapters Committee, which approved them relatively quickly. (The Chapters Committee is now known as the Affiliations Committee, and Tanvir is now a member of the committee.) The approval from the WMF's Board of Trustees came in October 2011.

Five percent

Gaining local registration was the next step, so the Wikimedians again looked for an attorney who would work at low cost to get the bylaws approved by the local authorities. Several lawyers they approached turned down their requests instantly, saying that registration was difficult—Bangladesh law requires that all nonprofit societies apply for and receive security clearances from the Bangladesh National Security Intelligence (NSI) agency. The lawyers expected their registration requests to fail; only about 5% of the applications to register a "society" in the country are successful.

However, Ali felt that a Bangladeshi "society" was the most appropriate for the group. A "trust" does not allow for direct elections, though the registration requirements are easier to pass. Trusts are often set up by foreign charities with money to distribute, and it is unusual in Bangladesh to have a grassroots formation of a new charitable society with little or no money. A "society" is more difficult to form, but it forms the strongest base for good governance and transparency, and allows for streamlined elections of board members.

Finally, the Wikimedians found a lawyer who was willing to help, but only on condition that the Wikimedians complete the security clearance process on their own. The Wikimedians submitted an application for registration and security clearance in May 2012 and received a case number.

The clearance process

Now began the difficult part: waiting for long periods of time, often with no communication about the status of the application.

In the Memorandum of Association, Ali's house was listed as the office address of Wikimedia Bangladesh. Fortunately, he was home when an NSI officer came for a sudden site visit. The discussion lasted for an hour and a half. The purpose of the interview was to check on whether the group had any connections to terrorism or anti-social activities. After a long discussion, Ali got the officer to understand that the group was working for free knowledge in Bangladesh, and he urged the officer to give a positive report. Two months passed. Ali searched his contacts to see if he knew someone who could tell the Wikimedians about the status of the application.

Eventually he received a phone call. The NSI wanted to have another verification visit. The officer who had conducted the first visit had been transferred, so a new officer needed to start the process from the beginning. The new officer asked for lots of documents such as bylaws, Wikimedia Bangladesh Executive Committee members' CVs, personal statements, and other documents. One day the officer came to Ali's house, but he was at work, so Tanvir went to meet the officer. Tanvir organized the documents the officer requested, handed them over, and answered the officer's questions. The officer told Tanvir that the group might be asked to visit an NSI office to answer additional questions, but that clearance might happen shortly.

Wikimedia Bangladesh volunteers in April 2013

Then another long period passed with no contact from security officials. In mid-2013 they received another call. The NSI asked Ali and Tanvir to go to their office and meet with a deputy director, bringing documents and information about the group's members. Unfortunately, the official was out of the office on the day of the appointment, so this required Tanvir and Ali to get another appointment. On the day of the second appointment, they did meet with the deputy director and were asked for additional documents such as a rental agreement for their organization. The deputy director said that the Wikimedians had done a good job and he would make a positive report about the application, but that the process would take a long time.

In the meantime, Ali learned through his work that the brother of one of his clients is an employee of the NSI. Ali explained the situation to the client, and requested a meeting. The client's brother agreed to meet Ali at one point and was impressed that the group was working with Bengali Wikipedia, which has a good reputation and is widely used in Bangladesh. The brother then called the deputy director and asked for an update on the status of the application. He was told that the field report was positive, but needed to be sent to someone else for the final report and approval. Ali repeatedly followed up with the client's brother about the status of the application. Ali said that the slowness of the application might have been bearable had they been apprised of the progress of the application during this long period.

Ali said that he tried to find anyone he knew with a possible link to the NSI. He would explain to them what Wikimedia Bangladesh does, and would request their help. In this process, he learned that one of his MBA classmates who is from the military has an army friend in the NSI. This man was of a higher rank (a joint director) than anyone that had previously been in contact with the Bangladeshi Wikimedians. Ali started following up with the new contact on a regular basis. Around the beginning of 2014, this NSI contact said that the final report was positive and had been sent to the Registrar of Joint Stock Companies & Firms.

Relieved at the news, Ali went back to the attorney who had agreed to help and asked him to contact the registrar's office to verify; but the attorney reported that the registrar's office was unable to locate any clearance document from the NSI. Ali’s contact at the NSI said that the report should have been sent from the Director General’s office by then, whether positive or negative. After all this effort, Ali became worried that the report might have been negative, and he asked the lawyer to check again.

Registration

In June 2014, the lawyer informed Ali that the clearance report had been found by the registrar's office in a backlog of documents from several months earlier, meaning that the registration could theoretically be completed within a few days. Yet they faced one final hurdle: when the Bangladeshi Wikimedians had begun the security clearance process two years prior, the cost for registration was minimal. The government had since raised the fee to more than 12 times the original amount.

Wikimedia Bangladesh didn't have enough money from registration fees in its bank account to cover the higher cost. Ali feared that going from person to person to raise the money could take too long, meaning that their hard-earned security clearance might expire, so he paid the shortage out of his own pocket as a loan to the chapter.

The saga ended on 10 June 2014, when Ali collected the certificate of registration from the office of the Registrar of Joint Stock Companies & Firms.

Postscript

Ali notes that there are challenges with running a chapter solely on a volunteer basis because people have other commitments to work, family, and study, and among the volunteers only a minority has the experience required to lead activities such as this complex registration process. However, he feels that Wikimedia Bangladesh, though a small volunteer group, now has good expertise to run itself in a professional manner.

Ali emphasized that the biggest problem in the registration process was not knowing the status of the application during the long periods of waiting.

He said that giving tips or "speed money" to government officials to hasten a registration process often happens, and that some organizations obtain their registration in two or three months this way (Bluerasberry estimated the cost at $100–$300 US). Even the chapter member's lawyer advised that speed money would help expedite the process. But Ali said that he and other board members were determined that Wikimedia Bangladesh would operate in the spirit of "selflessness" shown by the volunteers. He frequently had to explain that the Wikimedians wanted to take an "honest" path—even if it took much longer—and that people he spoke with respected that decision, even though it is more difficult to work in Bangladesh without giving tips.

Bluerasberry wrote on Wikimedia-l that not only is Wikimedia Bangladesh among only the 5% who got NGO society registration in Bangladesh, but they are among a group he estimated at 1% to do so without paying anyone a bribe:


Bengali Wikimedians at the Grameen Phone head office in Dhaka, Bangladesh, in February 2014.


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2014-06-18

You can't dethrone Thrones

To the surprise of absolutely no one, the 2014 FIFA World Cup was the main draw this week, taking four slots. People appeared desperate to bone up on their trivia; checking not only this year's World Cup, but the last one. Even so, they still couldn't push Game of Thrones from the top ten. It will be interesting to see what happens come next week's season finale.

For the full top 25 list, see WP:TOP25. See this section for an explanation for any exclusions.

For the week of 8-14 June, the ten most popular articles on Wikipedia, as determined from the report of the 5,000 most viewed pages, were:

Rank Article Class Views Image Notes
1 2014 FIFA World Cup C-class 1,846,098
And it's off! As is custom, hosts Brazil played the opening match against Croatia. Given everything riding on their shoulders (you can't spend $11 billion on a sports event, sparking the rage of a sizeable portion of your population, and finish in the group stage), the team could have been better; they won (they are Brazil, after all) but opened with an own goal and fooled the ref with a rather obvious dive. Still, they did better than Cup-holders Spain, who were beaten 5–1 by the Netherlands in their first game and have since been knocked out, leading to some rather unforgiving headlines in the national papers.
2 Rik Mayall C-class 1,126,482
Topics of purely British interest seldom make the traffic report; as English-speaking nations go, it lacks the numerical heft of the US, or even India. Even if you factor in the countries that share its pop culture, like Australia, you're unlikely to see numbers reach 100 million. So it's a mark of how beloved a comedic icon Rik Mayall was that his sudden and unexpected death on 9 June pushed him to the second spot. Curiosity about the nature of his death likely also played a role; Mayall was only 56, and, while his death is not suspicious, the initial post-mortem was inconclusive. Best known for his roles in 1980s comedy series such as The Young Ones, Blackadder and The New Statesman, his only notable Hollywood credit was the 1991 comedy Drop Dead Fred.
3 FIFA World Cup Featured Article 1,021,919
File:W.Cup.svg
The broader article on the history of the competition may have been accessed by people looking for the long view, but in truth it was probably more to do with people looking for the more specific article above.
4 Amazon.com B-Class 885,652
This article suddenly reappeared in the top 25 a few months ago after a long absence; it's always difficult to determine the reasons for the popularity of website articles (how many are simply misaimed clicks on the Google search list?) but there are at least two possibilities: first, it released its digital media player, Amazon Fire TV on April 2, and second, it is currently embroiled in a dispute with publisher Hachette that could decide whether book publishers even need to exist in the post-digital world.
5 Orange Is the New Black C-class 763,163
The second season of the women-in-prison TV series premièred in its entirety on Netflix on 6 June.
6 2010 FIFA World Cup B-Class 626,913
The current World Cup has buoyed interest in the last one, with people doubtless looking for parallels, clues for upcoming matches, or omens. Oddly, Rik Mayall's death may have influenced views; he penned England's anthem for that competition, which has now reached #7 in the UK charts.
7 Game of Thrones B-class 593,650
The World Cup dented this show, but it's not leaving till the finale, and maybe not even then.
8 Game of Thrones (season 4) C-Class 571,345
This is the page with the plot synopses for each episode.
9 2014 FIFA World Cup squads List 534,001
This is most likely the result of residents of competing countries checking out their opponents.
10 The Fault in Our Stars B-class 504,006 Youtube sensei John Green's romantic tearjerker was already a hit with the cyber-set, but boomed up the bestseller list thanks to the opening of its film adaptation.


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2014-06-18

Visiting the city

Speicherstadt at night, a featured picture from Der Wolf im Wald.
The Staten Island Ferry terminal, a featured picture from Daniel Schwen.
Rotterdam in the Netherlands, seen during a commemoration of the Rotterdam Blitz in a featured picture from Trebaxus.

This week, the Signpost came in from the hinterland to interview members of the Cities WikiProject. Formed in 2002 by Ram-Man, it now boasts 82 featured articles and lists in its scope. We spoke to Student7 and JonRidinger.

What motivated you to join WikiProject Cities? Is there a particular city to which you gravitate?
Student7: Wanted to be sure that Cities standards were maintained. They are pretty good and should be used (IMO) for towns, villages, all agglomerations of people.
JonRidinger: I have always been interested in cities as a general topic. Like Student7, I also wanted to get more city/town articles on some sort of standard, so joining the project allowed me to contribute to other articles, even on towns that I'm not as familiar with.


Are the denizens of some cities more active on Wikipedia than others? What can be done to recruit more editors from the neglected cities?
Student7: Yes. Washington DC has an "owner." He is pretty good but (like most owners) hard to deal with. I left for that reason. Turkish cities outside of Instanbul have weak support. Most additions are WP:SPAMmy. Maybe posting on WikiProject Turkey site to that affect would help (but would need to come from someone either a) well-respected, or b) unknown and neutral.Student7 (talk) 18:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
JonRidinger: The larger the city, the more people who are interested and looking at it, and likely to edit. I have tended to avoid larger city articles because of that. Most smaller cities and towns have very few, if any, editors, just because of basic numbers. I'm not sure there's a way to increase numbers for smaller cities. Most people seem to consistently edit town articles they have some kind of connection to (personal or just general interest), so it's a matter of finding editors who have a personal connection (which can have that built-in motivation) to edit these other articles. Could also be a case of having a given state or country WikiProject focus on different regions at varying times in the year, just to make sure the articles are updated and current.
Have you contributed to any of the project's Featured or Good Articles? What unique challenges does WikiProject Cities face when promoting and maintaining its articles at FA and GA status?
Student7: No. I am not interested in FA nor GA. Too much hassle for too little reward = "slightly better article" which then degenerates!  :(
JonRidinger: Yes. I was largely responsible for getting Kent, Ohio to FA status and helped with Stephens City, Virginia too. The issue I faced was burn-out. In many ways I felt like it was arbitrary, and other things I thought were simply being nit-picky. Yes, there were some genuine improvements that were made by going through the process, plus I learned more about what kinds of content to include and how to word things better. Even so, I remember right after I got the Kent, Ohio article through FA, my editing declined significantly and I found myself less motivated.
Like I said earlier, the larger the city, the more editors it's likely to have, especially more anonymous editors. It's really a matter of helping editors to understand what is appropriate info, what isn't, and why. Too many city articles get FA or GA status and then are never updated, or end up with a lot of trivial information in them.
What is the state of Wikipedia's articles about notable neighborhoods, boroughs, precincts, and other internal divisions within cities? Is there a point where a division is too small to warrant an article? Are there any cities too small to warrant an article?
Student7: I don't find divisions that small. If a country has aggregated people, it should be using these Project standards for the article. Village has to be "noticed" to be "notable" I suppose. I have not seen "precinct" articles in US/UK/English speaking countries. Nor would I care too, which violates what I just said! But the precinct is listed within the neighborhood or city.
JonRidinger: I agree with what Student7 said here. For neighborhoods, if it has sources that cover it specifically, can have a decent article, though if it's not a large amount of info, I typically don't see the point in having an article separate from the city article. I simply add it to the appropriate place in the city article and if more information becomes available, then we can evaluate whether it would be appropriate for it to have its own article. For very small villages, I think, for the most part, have notability as long as there is some kind of measure (like a census). If not (like an unincorporated community), it should be mentioned as part of the notable town/city/county it is part of.


Has it been difficult finding references for articles about suburban, exurban, and rural towns? What can be done to ensure that far flung settlements are covered as thoroughly as major metropolitan areas?
Student7: First world, no problem. In the third world we have all sorts of problems. I don't think Wikipedia resources should be wasted on "remedying" this problem. 3rd world doesn't take censuses. When they don't they may not be reliable. They may be out of date. They may not include material that is useful beyond a head count. If the UN has no idea, how can we?
JonRidinger: Not in the city articles I have worked on. Bottom line is there will always be more sources about larger metro areas than rural ones, even in "first world" countries. There will also be far more people both interested and available to edit city articles in these larger metro areas who can find even more printed sources about a given city.


What kinds of photography are typically included in articles about cities? What pictures can the average Wikipedian easily snap on their daily commute or a lazy weekend?
Student7: There are often "specialists" that identify themselves for each subtopic. Like Christhespeller, but for other things. So there are "photo experts". I hate, truly hate galleries because they stop readers from perusing material beyond the gallery and take up too much space. Most large cities have notable landmarks. For villages, rural areas, what can you do? Must emphasize that photographer takes a picture of the city, not the sunset from the city, not the mountains behind the city, not the Washington Monument in the distance (when the article is not DC), etc.
JonRidinger: Most pictures tend to be of buildings or a general city view. Parks and other notable landmarks (like schools) are great things to be included, and especially any building that may be iconic, even just locally. Really, look at each section and think about what kinds of photos would best help illustrate that section. A picture of one of the schools or the library would help the education section, a picture of the downtown/central business district might work well in the economy section, and a picture of city/town hall might be helpful in the government section. When I go to a city article, I want to see what that place looks like. I do agree with avoiding galleries. If you have lots of pictures, great, but use the Commons Category template at the bottom of the page and make sure there's a matching category on Wikimedia Commons. Galleries can quickly overwhelm an article.
Does WikiProject Cities collaborate with any other WikiProjects? What can be done to improve collaboration between Wikipedia's various geography projects?
Student7: Kumioko tried to merge most US Projects under the United States. At least I think she did. Never quite understood what she was up to but seemed to be aimed in the right direction. So USCity should cooperate with that I suppose. Same for other country projects.
JonRidinger: Like I mentioned above, the various geography-based WikiProjects (for a given state or country), can work with Cities to help many of these under-edited city articles. They can also work together to get photos from a broader area. Editors who are members of the geography WikiProjects can post calls for action on those pages just as we do on the cities pages.


What are the most urgent needs of WikiProject Cities? How can a new contributor help today?
Student7: Because I am happy with Cities, I would like a new contributor to contribute someplace else! Sense ownership there?  :) Use the talk page first. Outline for UK Cities should apply everywhere but North America where US City outline should apply. Maybe outlines should be renamed for that reason.
JonRidinger: City articles seem to suffer most from boosterism. New editors need to make sure they know what that is and how to avoid it. We all want our town to look great, but these aren't promotional brochures here. Not only knowing what it is, but helping to remove it is also helpful.
Anything else you'd like to add?
Student7: Editors are doing a great job! But (alas) hardly anyone uses Projects once it has matured (and Cities has). Which is why Kumioko was doing what she did. Post questions and sometimes get no answers. And we're one of the better Projects. While CITIES is active, I normally go to a major article for talking, rather than bother with a Project. Like Talk:Istanbul rather than Project Turkey, for example.
JonRidinger: Again, I agree with Student7 here. Use the Project pages more to communicate and collaborate.

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