Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/December 4

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Today's featured article for December 4, 2024
KARE (channel 11) is a television station licensed to Minneapolis, United States, an NBC affiliate. Channel 11 began broadcasting in 1953, originally affiliated with ABC. It presented several notable children's shows in its early years. Time Inc. purchased the station in 1957. Under its ownership, ABC switched its affiliation to KMSP-TV (channel 9), leaving channel 11 to become an independent station that broadcast the Minnesota Twins baseball team, movies, and syndicated programs. By the late 1970s, WTCN was one of the nation's most financially successful independent stations. On March 5, 1979, channel 11 became an NBC affiliate. Between 1983 and 1987, the station moved from last to first in late news ratings, battling WCCO for two decades. It changed call signs twice in that period, to WUSA in 1985 and KARE in 1986, when Gannett moved the WUSA call sign to its Washington, D.C., station. More recently, as of 2022, the station has been a second-place finisher in local news. (Full article...) Archive By email More featured articles About view – talk – edit – history – watch
Picture of the day for December 4, 2024
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The image is copyrighted an will be deleted on Commons! --ALE! 13:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC) Can an admin change the image to a non-redlink please. We could use the portrait of Bokassa, the painting of Jeremiah Horrocks observing the transit of Venus, or one of the modern photos of a transit. -- AJR | Talk 17:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the guidelines say we should not use fair use images, which pretty much limits us to Horrocks or a transit (we do have images to illustrate Sati, but I don't think they look very clear in thumbnail.) -- AJR | Talk 17:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Changed it to the Horrocks image. ♠P M C♠ 19:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]