Comment: @JPxG: The third one doesn't seem to have been a procedural close, was supported by reasonable arguments to delete, and was open from 2 May to 9 May, are you thinking of something else? The second was indeed a speedy (but was pretty definitely not going to see the original result overturned), and the first was also a full AfD.The third AfD did not just determine that there weren't sufficient sources in the article, but (as an AfD should) determined that they didn't exist at all. Given that the artist was apparently still recovering from a serious injury, it seemed vanishingly unlikely that more sources would have appeared in the few months since that AfD.I'm a bit confused why you also removed the decline notices and earlier comments (especially the decline left by Theroadislong, as that was apparently for this version, even though it had been deleted and undeleted since). Shouldn't those have been left, even though the draft had been updated substantially? The fact it had been deleted doesn't seem to negate those comments, or the last decline, which was based on the 18 new sources that you added. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 12:12, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
@Mako001: This is an error on my part -- I transposed the 2nd and 3rd AfDs. As far as I can tell, what happened at the third AfD was that the content from the previous (deleted) article was copy-pasted into a new page, i.e. the sources from this draft were never evaluated in a deletion process. At any rate, I have basically no interest in resubmitting this draft for mainspace; the only reason I wrote it in the first place was to become familiar with the AfC process (and see if it really was as bad as people claim in policy discussions). jp×g 12:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
- Parenthetically, I will note that your response here -- which was not only written in great detail, but made very quickly after my own comment -- has increased my opinion of the process a great deal (although I think there remain rather significant structural issues). jp×g 12:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Please do not submit this draft for review. It has been deleted via AfD three times, and it has been determined every time that he is absolutely not notable. There is a very good reason why it was fully salted. Mako001 (C) (T) 🇺🇦 11:52, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Mako001: I saw this while looking for something else in my contributions, and I think I am missing something: this comment reads like a decline, but the draft wasn't submitted in the first place. At any rate: The first AfD closed "delete" based on a total lack of sourcing, the second AfD closed "delete" because the article was a word-for-word repost of the first iteration, and the third AfD wasn't an actual AfD (it was closed procedurally after two days due to the article being speedied in the meantime as another copy-paste of the first unreferenced article). I understand that AfC is a difficult area to work in (and the AfC reviews I've given have sometimes been more cursory than I'd hoped for), but I do not understand what you are talking about. Compare this revison with the present: there are eighteen completely new sources. It does not make sense to me that a draft should be declined on the basis that unrelated people wrote a separate, extremely bad article about the same subject six years ago. jp×g 08:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Tom Brier | |
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 Brier in 2013 | |
| Background information | |
| Born | October 3, 1971 Oakdale, California |
| Genres | Ragtime |
| Instrument | Piano |
| Years active | 1985–2016 |
Tom Brier (born October 1971) is an american ragtime pianist and composer.