Talk:Fleance

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Date	Process	Result
November 24, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed
October 28, 2024	Good article reassessment	Delisted

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that legend describes Fleance, a minor character in Shakespeare's Macbeth, as an ancestor of King James II of England connecting him to King Arthur?

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GA Review

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Thank you, Wrad, for working so hard on these Shakespeare articles! This corner of Wikipedia is becoming so much better because of you!

I don't know if there is more research that could be done on Fleance. For example, do any of the many volumes on Macbeth itself have a few stray lines on Fleance? The "Analysis" section just seems a little thin right now.
- I'll dig around. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Whew! Done. Although now it probably needs another copy-edit. Wrad (talk) 23:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Looks good to me. --Xover (talk) 00:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Is there an image or quote you could put at the top of the article?~~
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fleance and Banquo are mentioned in Holinshed's Chronicles. - Explain to the reader unfamiliar with the Chronicles what they are. I don't think this information should only be mentioned in the lead, as the lead is supposed to be a summary of what is in the rest of the article.
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the Chronicles Fleance flees to Wales and marries Nesta verch Gruffydd, daughter of Gruffydd ap Llywelyn, the last native Prince of Wales. - Why is he fleeing?
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Why is Macbeth jealous? Awadewit (talk) 04:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I tried a different tack. Revert if you don't like it. --Xover (talk) 21:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Stuarts used their connection with Fleance and his marriage to the Welsh princess to claim a genealogical link with the legendary King Arthur - Why? How did this help them?
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The story of Fleance as described in other sources does not appear in Shakespeare's play. - What other sources?
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marvin Rosenberg argued that the tension that exists between Fleance and Macbeth is made stronger by the fact that Macbeth has a child - Who is Rosenberg? A Shakespeare scholar?
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marvin Rosenberg argues that the tension that exists between Fleance and Macbeth is made stronger by the fact that Macbeth has a child: his motive is not just greed but also fatherly ambition - It is hard for the reader of this article to understand the greed part - we need a little more information on Macbeth's motivations. We haven't heard about greed yet - we have only heard about ambition.
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Some productions of Macbeth show this tenderness by having the title character frequently pat Fleance on the head, or attempt to do so, but be denied it when Fleance withdraws to his father. - sentence is hard to follow
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scholars have interpreted this to mean that Banquo has been dreaming of murdering the king as Macbeth's accomplice in order to take the throne for his son, Fleance, as the Three Witches prophesied to him - I don't quite follow
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They argue that Banquo is merely setting aside his sword for the night, but when Macbeth approaches, Banquo, having had dreams about Macbeth's deeds, takes back his sword as a precaution. - Explain more clearly - what deeds? Why does he need to take precautionary measures?
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Why have you chosen to focus on these three screen versions? The choice seems a bit random.~~
- Those are the only three I could find with scholarly commentary on Fleance specifically. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Macduff shoots Macbeth and takes the ring off Macbeth's finger. - What ring? Why?
- fixed. Wrad (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm placing this article on hold as I am confident that these issues can be resolved in a short amount of time. Awadewit (talk) 02:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm passing this article. Awadewit (talk) 06:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]