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Date	Process	Result
September 17, 2007	Candidate for speedy deletion	Deleted
September 17, 2007	Articles for deletion	Kept
December 29, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
August 19, 2009	Articles for deletion	Speedily kept
November 20, 2024	Good article reassessment	Kept
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 22, 2007. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Mzoli's, a popular Cape Town eatery, nightclub and tourist attraction, in the township of Gugulethu, South Africa, started off as a butcher's shop operating from a garage?
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Result: Keep Sahaib (talk) 08:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was assessed 17 years ago, the article has changed substantially because of dead links and updates (such as the restaurant closing). I myself have edited this article in the recent past to address this but it still remains unclear whether or not the article meets the good article criteria. The article doesn't mention the fact that Jimmy Wales created the page despite it being mentioned in several sources (see talk page banner). Sahaib (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article should confine itself to its subject matter (criterion 3b), not digress into discussing its own authorship. It could go on the article's talk page though. --Northernhenge (talk) 10:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General consensus over the years seems to have been to exclude its Wikipedia connection, which fulfills criterion 3b. Jimmy Wales creating the article is vaguely implied in the talk page with the Connected contributor template, however. 🍊 citrifuge (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The wikipedia connection is not an issue as highlighted by the replies above me, that leaves the problem of the age of the GA review compared to how much the subject has changed. I agree that it needs a new review, so I'll go ahead and do it. I will start the review below, it should be finished within the next few days. It is a wonderful world (talk) 12:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just a general comment on two things. First, I don't any any opinion to express on the general question of whether the article is good now or not. Dead links sounds bad, but I've not looked into it very much. Second, me creating an article in Wikipedia and the subsequent nomination for deletion which ended in keeping the article is nothing about the restaurant and frankly not even that interesting about Wikipedia - except insofar as it does show that I'm not the god-king of everything haha. Basically, it's just evidence that even as late as 2009-2011 the press was still pretty confused about everything to do with Wikipedia, and this incident is probably only of very slight interest even in the history of Wikipedia!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose Y

After me and Sahaib (talk · contribs) have rewritten much of the prose, I think it now meets quality requirements. It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source health/formatting Y

There were some issues but all have been fixed, all URLs have an archive link. It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source reliability clock

Some unreliable sources were removed and replaced with reliable ones. It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need a second opinion on the youth radio source. It is used to support a few sentences in the article. They say they are an organization that "equips emerging content creators between the ages of 14-24". It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source-text integrity check

I checked all sources and fixed any source-text integrity problems. It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scope Y

I removed Some local residents near a long-planned shopping mall that was being built by a business partly owned by Mzoli's owner criticized his plans in 2008. Some businesses were evicted or threatened with eviction from older buildings owned by Mzoli, which were then knocked down to make room for the new property development. as it was off-topic. It be relevant in a separate article for Gugulethu Square. It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio

Earwig finds no copyvio, I fixed all instances of too close paraphrasing during the source-text integrity check. It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stable Y

Article has only received 2 edits in the past year, despite previous controversy. It is a wonderful world (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Media Y

No issues after removing Jamie Oliver. It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Captions Y

First image is captioned well, see concerns about second image above. It is a wonderful world (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tags Y

Tagged appropriately It is a wonderful world (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Post improvements review

Hi Northernhenge (talk · contribs) and Citrifuge (talk · contribs), Sahaib (talk · contribs) and I have significantly improved the article. The major changes are listed above. If you could spare a moment to read the article and verify that it meets the GA criteria, that would be much appreciated. It is a wonderful world (talk) 11:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. There are a couple of CS1 tasks in source 6 (CS1 maint: PMC format (link) CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)). I think that the youth radio source is fine in context. The article doesn't rely on it and it gives a different seemingly authentic view of the venue. --Northernhenge (talk) 12:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. I can't comment on the Youth Radio source as I don't usually do citing, though the readability and overall writing is fine. 🍊 citrifuge (talk) 14:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Citrifuge @Northernhenge Thank you very much. @Sahaib I'll leave it to you to close or highlight any further concerns. It is a wonderful world (talk) 23:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.