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This article, besides being highly NPOV, reads like a copyright violation. --

Not a copyright. Vast majority of article is mine. 172

The title is a mess also. It should be European imperialism in the 19th century or something like that. -- Zoe

Zoe, apparently you don’t know much about “European imperialism in the nineteenth century”.

Read the first paragraph of the article you want to rename:

"In a scramble for overseas markets between the Franco-Prussian War and World War, Europe added almost 9 million square miles—one-fifth of the land area of the globe—to its overseas colonial possessions. Ushering out the cavalier colonialism of the mid-Victorian era, the age of Pax Britannica, the late nineteenth century Romantic Age was an era of "empire for empire's sake". But scholars debate the causes and ramifications of this period of colonialism, dubbed “The New Imperialism” to distinguish it from earlier eras of overseas expansion, such as the mercantilism of the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries or the liberal age of ‘free trade’ colonialism of the mid-nineteenth century."

New Imperialism refers specifically to the era of imperialism between 1871-1914, between the Franco-Prussian War and World War I.

I deleted an editorializing comment in the first graph, and added a reference to Spain. this is an important article, but it is woefully not NPOV -- I have two suggestions for the original author: first, delete sentences like "non one owned Africa" which are utterly Eurocentric (some Africans surely claimed to own at least parts of Africa; many Europeans owned property in Africa at that time) and uncritical (there are very complex issues in the very notion of "ownership". Second, distinguish between historical facts and interpretations/explanations. The author herself admits in the beginning that there is scholarly debate over the causes and consequences -- but the article provides a unified account, and obscures those debates. Slrubenstein

Were does the term New Imperialism come from ? Who has references ? User:Ericd

Where does the term "American Revolution" come from? Come on! It's a common term. Go online. Type in "New Imperialism". You'd see how common it is.

the article addresses the complex issue of ownership, esp. toward the end

I will take 172's word for it that this work is original, though it reads like it was copied from a textbook. Still, this article is a mess. Not only is it too dense for anyone but a historical scholar of the era to understand, but it makes oblique references to tons of things that aren't spelled out here. I have many questions:

Britain was the "workshop of the world", meaning that its finished goods were no longer produced so efficiently and cheaply that they could often undersell comparable, locally manufactured goods in almost any other market. - Britain was the workshop of the world BECAUSE her goods were no longer produced so efficiently? The two halves of this sentence don't seem to make sense.

- 127-I want a source for "workshop of the world" so we can quote it-I dont like using " " without somebody or something to attribute it to. Vera Cruz

If political conditions in a particular overseas markets were stable enough, Britain could its economy through free trade alone without having to resort to formal rule or mercantilism. - Britain could WHAT its economy?

- Britain could force its eonomyVera Cruz

We need an article on the Long Depression, since you refer to it so often.

It's linked

Rhodes and Milner also advocated the prospect of a "Cape to Cairo empire - Who's Milner?
I took out the slam of Roosevelt's racism, but I left in the Kipling one. Can someone look at it more balanced?

Didnt read it, but why is kipling different than roosevelt?Vera Cruz

We need an article on the Second Industrial Revolution, which you keep refering ot.

Yes, we do. We also need to somewhere note that medieval historians refer to the first industrial revolution as occuring during their period. Vera Cruz

the interwar Great Depression beginning in the US - I thought the Great Depression began in Europe. Wasn't German hyperinflation ahead of 1929?
Porter, however, notes that Britain, "Struck with outmoded physical plants and outmoded forms of business organization… now felt the less favorable effects of being the first to modernize." Who is Porter?
What was the Crystal Palace Speech?
What is the Dependency Theory?
What were the Moroccan Crisis and the Tangier Crisis?
What was the Roosevelt Corollary?

This needs a lot of work. Your NPOV anti-Americanism and anti-Westernism is blatant. -- Zoe

Searching for "New Imperialism" does no good. There are too many articles talking about 21st century new imperialism to weed out those talking about the era you're refering to. -- Zoe

we should use neo-colonialism and globalisation for 20th/21st century issues. Vera Cruz

Quit making large changes under the guise of Minor changes. Whether you think the old headers were "more attractive" or not, they're not in the style of Wikipedia. You also deleted all of the markup in the first paragraph. -- Zoe

"Jewish Conspiracy" use two common words is it neutral ? An article about Colonialism seems more adequate. User:Ericd

There is already an article on colonialism. NEW IMPERIALISM REFERS TO A SPECIFIC ERA OF COLONIALISM BETWEEN 1871-1914!

Yelling does no good to anyone.

I see that you reverted every single change I made. This is going to the mailing list for resolution. -- Zoe

I don't think it is appropriate to refer to this era as a "scramble" except when discussing World War I causation or some source prior to WWI which for whatever reason felt that this was an era of hectic scrambling. Im sure somebody out there thinks this was a slow, calculated, and methodical era. Vera Cruz

--- Vera Cruz:

New Imperialism and "Scramble for Africa" are very common terms in the historiography on the subject. The Scramble for Africa often refers to the Congress of Berlin in 1885, for instance.

“Workshop of the world” is a common cliché in the era’s historiography as well.

Yes, I am not disagreeing that these are very common. However they need more context around them before they should be here, in short instead of

The scramble for africa ...blah blah blah.. blah blah. africa.... blah blah. empire

We need