Template:Did you know nominations/Beatriz Rico (neuroscientist)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

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Beatriz Rico (neuroscientist)

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Created by JuliaBrink (talk) and 199.111.226.78 (talk). Nominated by MrMeAndMrMe (talk) at 03:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC).

  • This article doesn't qualify. It is too old, as created in 2017, and it is not a GA either.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: The cited EurekAlert source does not contain the word "inhibitory", but I assume it's an accurate paraphrase of the article. You may want to link to this article from some other article to get rid of the orphan tag. feminist (talk) 10:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@MrMeAndMrMe, JuliaBrink, Feminist, and SL93: Per discussions at [1], I'm reopening this nomination as it there is some confusion about what the hook means, and it's not really accessible to a broad audience. I suggest it be reworded, or else another hook proposed in its place. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:09, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

  • Apologies for the long wait. I have reworded it slightly, does it make more sense now? MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 05:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Pinging Feminist for their opinion. SL93 (talk) 02:38, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
The article does not contain the word "neuron" in its prose, while the hook does, but I get what the hook is referring to. The relevant sentence in the article is In 2019, the Rico Lab uncovered a developmental mechanism for specification of inhibitory connections within the brain. I'm fine with this, though other editors may have different opinions. feminist🇺🇦 (talk) 11:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
@Feminist and MrMeAndMrMe: sorry, I'm drawing a blank on what this might mean. Reading the sourced article, would a hook like this be accurate?
  • ALT1: ... that neuroscientist Beatriz Rico and her team discovered a link between a protein and short-term spatial memory?
    • ALT1a: ... that neuroscientist Beatriz Rico and her team discovered a link between Brevican and short-term spatial memory?
    • ALT1b: ... that neuroscientist Beatriz Rico and her team discovered a link between a protein called Brevican and short-term spatial memory?
At the very least, people will think they understand at first glance. If we end up going with this, it'll have to be added into the article. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
@Feminist and MrMeAndMrMe? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:49, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps ALT1B. Just writing "a protein" is somewhat non-specific, writing "brevican" is also confusing, final one makes most sense in my opinion. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 20:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
reviewer needed for ALT1b- thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
back to DYKN until consensus for a hook is found theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:57, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
I like ALT1b, and while I do find it interesting, I have some reservations if it's clear enough for readers who don't have much of a background in science. Linking to spatial memory might help, but I don't know if it could resolve the issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps also link neuroscientist. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 13:06, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
@JuliaBrink and MrMeAndMrMe: The hook seems to be coming from [2], which is a press release from King's College London posted unedited by a third party. (It's sometimes hard to identify these, but they're written by university PR staff, aren't peer-reviewed, and are often scientifically unreliable.) For a discovery claim it would be preferable to cite an independent source like [3], or at least the actual peer-reviewed journal article [4]. Also, the hook fact needs to be in the Wikipedia article, but it doesn't mention Brevican or short-term spatial memory. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 02:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, will do in a second. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 17:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: you seem to need a paid subscription for the science.org thing, which I do not have. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov does not mention anything about brevican neurons or whatever. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 13:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
@MrMeAndMrMe: Came by this and was able to access the article in Science via the Wikipedia Library, which you should have access to. The word brevican is only mentioned in another article that one cites. An open access version is available here as well. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
  • @MrMeAndMrMe: @Narutolovehinata5: @Antony-22: @Sammi Brie: I came by to see whether I could help to move this on by reviewing hook ALT1b or whatever is needed at this point (I understand that all other DYK requirements have been met). As far as I can see, the current issue is that although ALT1b is probably true, and although there is probably a citation for it somewhere (please kindly confirm that, someone?) there is no mention of "short term", "protein" or "Brevican" in the article. So, if you want ALT1, ALT1a or ALT1b, please put those words (or the wording of your preferred hook) in the article, with the correct citation next to it. Then I can approve at least one of the hooks. (I agree with the above comments that ALT1b looks most promising at the moment.) Storye book (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
  • @MrMeAndMrMe: @Narutolovehinata5: @Antony-22: @Storye book: Correcting the above ping so as to make it effective. (Storye book, a ping cannot be added after the post because it will not ping if there is no signature added in the same edit.) The analysis above is correct. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:16, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Sammi Brie. I didn't know that. So now, the situation is that I can approve ALT1b when it is written out in full in the article, with a relevant citation next to it. Storye book (talk) 10:13, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you, @MrMeAndMrMe:. The text of the article still does not contain the word, "Brevican", and that's the word which jumps out of the hook; its the word one might use for a page-search in the article. And it's in the citation title, but not in the text. So please add "Brevican" to the text? Also, as a general reader myself (i.e. non-medic, non-scientist etc.) I cannot easily find the evidence for the hook facts in the two citations which directly follow those facts in the article. However the citation from Eureka Alert (which you used for ALT0 above) appears to bear it out. But who am I to judge? So please could you include an evidence-quote in one of the citations which follow the hook facts in the article? Sorry to be so pedantic about this, but as a non-scientist I don't want to get this wrong. Because this is rather a rambling explanation, I've bolded my two requests for clarification (no impoliteness intended). Thank you for your patience in this. Storye book (talk) 09:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Note: I have struck out all the hooks except ALT1b, on the understanding that ALT1b is the preferred hook, and to clarify things for the promoter. If I'm wrong about that, please unstrike any hooks as required. Storye book (talk) 09:23, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Thank you for pointing this out, @Storye book:. I don't really know why I forgot to add this, so I fixed it. The quote I added makes sense to me, but I'm afraid it may look like jargon to others. Should this be changed? MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 12:57, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, MrMeAndMrMe, that is all fine now. Good to go, with ALT1b. Storye book (talk) 14:04, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

MrMeAndMrMe The hook information needs to be directly cited in the article per DYK criteria. SL93 (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
  • As I understood it, all the hook facts were in the article and cited. But to be on the safe side, MrMeAndMrMe, please copy the hook exactly, word for word, into the article, directly followed by citation(s) with quotes included in the citations where necessary. That should cover it. Storye book (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
  • There really just needs to be a citation right after, "Her team found a discovered a link between the protein called Brevican and short-term spatial memory." SL93 (talk) 16:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
  • SL93. I have inserted the citation that was used for the above ALT0, in the article as suggested. As I'm not a scientist, it will need checking by you, or the nominator. Storye book (talk) 19:29, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
  • I'm not a scientist either, but it looks fine to me. SL93 (talk) 20:03, 4 June 2022 (UTC)