Template:Did you know nominations/Burrito Express

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 16:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Burrito Express in 2024

• ... that the founder of Burrito Express in Pasadena, California, styled himself as the "king of the flying burrito"?

• ALT1: ... that when Burrito Express in Pasadena, California, was threatened with closure, longtime customers queued for its food in support? Source: [2]
• ALT2: ... that Burrito Express in Pasadena, California, has burritos on its menu named after Lance Ito and Ross Perot? Source: [3]
• ALT3: ... that Burrito Express in Pasadena, California, serves a burrito named after Ross Perot described as having "a little bit of everything, or you can say it's full of it"? Source: Ibid.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/New World Mall
• Comment: Better image to come tomorrow.

CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC).

Overall: You are burying the lede. Why is Burrito Express called the "king of the flying burrito"? Because they used to run a mail order business that shipped frozen burritos across the U.S. That's your best and most interesting hook. But it's not here. Everything else checks out. Pass ALT0 as first choice, followed by ALT2. I do not support ALT3 as it breaches the bright line of contentiousness, and I don't support ALT1 because "threatened with closure" is too ambiguous and makes it seem like there's a negative component to it when it is just the nature of the business environment during COVID, not the quality of their food. Viriditas (talk) 04:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• Thank you for reviewing. I'd appreciate it if you could be more specific as to what the shortcomings are so that I may remedy them. Are you asking me to contextualize ALT0 by mentioning the mail order business? I had thought about it, but was worried it would make the hook too long. If you feel this is necessary, however, please let me know and I will provide a modified hook. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:32, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• I was just curious about your response. I'm biased towards a hook that doesn't exist, which really doesn't make any kind of sense, so I passed it. Viriditas (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm sorry—I totally misread your review. You're right, it slipped my mind to make a hook based on their mail order business. Please give me until tomorrow morning (PDT) and I'll have a new hook ready for you! Thanks again. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• You really don't have to do that, but if you insist, you are welcome. I'm happy to pass it right now based on the above. Viriditas (talk) 04:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Viriditas: Thank you for your patience. Been busy recently! A couple more ALTs for your consideration.

ALT4: ... that Burrito Express' mail order business was so successful, its owner styled himself the "king of the flying burrito"? (Source: [4])

ALT5: ... that Burrito Express began shipping out its burritos by mail because of demand from former customers who had moved away from California? (Source: Ibid.) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:24, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I like ALT4, ALT5, followed by ALT0 and ALT2. I will let the prepper decide. Viriditas (talk) 02:20, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24 and Viriditas: ALT4's the best one, but the source doesn't really say that the style was because of the company's success. In fact, it doesn't even say that the company's successful, although its gross revenue is high. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: I agree with your assessment. Let's go with ALT5, or combine ALT5 and ALT4 as I originally suggested in my review, without the "so successful" bit. In other words: " ... that Burrito Express began shipping burritos by mail due to demand from former customers who had moved, leading the owner to describe himself as the "king of the flying burrito"? Viriditas (talk) 08:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Issue resolved below, 01:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC) I don't think the image can be freely licensed by the photographer since the business would own the copyright to the sign. No objections to promoting without an image, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 17:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I've seen DYKs with images that include business signs and logos (such as this, this, and this one). Is it because the image focuses exclusively on the sign? There is another image I added to the article a couple of days ago with the sign off to the side in a wider shot of the restaurant front patio. Would that be acceptable for the DYK? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: the copyright rules in the United States are arbitrarily different for a building that you can go inside of and a free-standing sculpture or sign. Give me a moment, and I'll find some links, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: Here are some links: on Commons, FoP on Commons, the legal exceptions for buildings, and an explanation about buildings. A photograph that focuses mostly on the building will not have the same issue because you can go inside of the building. The exceptions to copyright law for buildings in public spaces don't apply to 2D signs or to 3D sculptures unless they are integrated into the design of the building. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 20:44, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. So I'm still confused. According to Commons, "detailed informational and educational noticeboards/signs" are unacceptable as they are almost always copyright protected. Would the Burrito Express sign qualify as such a sign? The information it imparts appears to be generic and, at least to me, not detailed at all. I appreciate your answers and patience. At any rate, I'm happy as long as the DYK runs, with or without photo, but just want clarification for the future. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: you might get a more informed answer at Commons, but I imagine the sign's doodle is the kind of "graphic image" that would clearly give it copyright protection. In the US, I think the legal bar is sufficiently creative, which is fairly low. A larger-scale photo like the one in the article where the doodle is just a minor bit is likely fine (De_minimis#Copyright). Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Can we use this image instead? Viriditas (talk) 00:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: yes, I don't see an issue with that one, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Thank you, I've replaced it with the approval of the legendary CurryTime7-24.[5] Can we get your tickmark going forward? Viriditas (talk) 00:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Viriditas: yes, and concern struck above, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 01:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)