Template:Did you know nominations/Dollar Mountain Fire

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 01:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Sherman Creek watershed after the Dollar Mountain Fire

• ... that during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire (char pictured), 65 firefighters survived overnight being surrounded by fire by sheltering under a ledge?

• • ALT1: ... that fire behavior during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire (char pictured) was highly unpredictable? Source: Kurtz, M.V. (1941). "History of Colville National Forest History of the Colville National Forest Part II Page II-22 middle paragraph on Dollar mountain fire
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oxtongue River

Kevmin § 17:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - Some grammar problems in the lead, the second paragraph of background, both paragraphs of the fire section, and the aftermath section.

Overall: The hook seems a little too long, probably better like: "... that during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire (pictured), 65 firefighters survived overnight by hiding under a ledge?" But it's okay if you don't want to apply that. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

The shortened version removes that they were surrounded by wildfire flames, and thus makes the hook much more mundane. In this case the flames were bad enough in the area the men were that everyone outside that area assumed no one could survive them.--Kevmin § 16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

The hook already states that it's a fire, but if you like, I'm also going to check if you fixed the grammar problems. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

@TheNuggeteer: An event taking place in a 94,000–142,000 acres (147–222 sq mi) fire zone is not the same as an event like this happening at the fire line itself, having the "surrounded by fire" portion is important context. What grammar issues are you specifically seeing? (you know you are allowed to fix minor problems in articles you review right?) If you feel they are major, then inform the talk page or me so I can address them. Grammar (unless its completely unreadable English) is not a criteria that DYK noms are reviewed on, FYI.--Kevmin § 17:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Request new reviewer as @TheNuggeteer:has not responded for over 10 days.--Kevmin § 23:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kevmin: Was going to tick this off, however I physically cannot read WP:PARAGRAPHs of that length. Please split them up.--Launchballer 18:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: I've sliced up the two biggest paragraphs in as sensible manner as I was able to. Take a read now.--Kevmin § 19:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks better, although each paragraph requires a cite and I've moved a couple back. I want to take a look at this with fresh eyes first. I do know that I can't see where the article spells out that all 65 crew survived, and that ref #6 is giving a 403 error.--Launchballer 14:45, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Im not getting a 403 error with ref 6 which is the wildlands fire center, I was able to pull it up without any problem just now. I've added even more clarifying wording to the sentence stating all 65 walked out alive.--Kevmin § 16:52, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

It's in the two sources I can see, so let's roll.--Launchballer 17:53, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Alt1 ... that during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire (char pictured), 65 firefighters survived overnight being surrounded by fire by sheltering near a creek?

Offering the Alt1 to match the word-smithed prose of the article. The hook comes fully from ref (7) "On August 8, 1929, a crew of 65 of these firefighters was entrapped and spent the night in the black before all returned safely to camp the next morning. In the vicinity of this entrapment the creek was named Doukhobor Creek to honor the firefighters."--Kevmin § 14:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

That site is giving me a 403 Forbidden error.--Launchballer 08:14, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Im not sure what may be happening, but it seems to be a problem limited to you @Launchballer:, I haven' encountered it at any point while working on this article and @The ed17: was able to access it while we were doing restructuring in prep for renomination. Is it possibly related to it being a US site and me a US user, while your a UK editor?--Kevmin § 20:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

The grammar in that one seems a little weird to me (though I like it better than the others): maybe " ... that during the 1929 Alt2 Dollar Mountain Fire (char pictured), 65 firefighters survived overnight, surrounded by fire, by sheltering near a creek?" or maybe Alt3 " ... that during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire (char pictured), 65 firefighters survived being surrounded by fire overnight by sheltering near a creek?" Mrfoogles (talk) 17:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm good with the wordsmithing of Alt3 as a smoother flowing hook.--Kevmin § 20:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

I pulled up an archive version. That webpage is really badly written (the black what?), but I think it verifies, so this is good to go. I will warn you now that tomorrow will be two months, so this will need to be promoted very quickly.--Launchballer 21:39, 6 September 2024 (UTC)