Template:Did you know nominations/Piri Reis

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Statue of Piri Reis

• ... that there was limited appreciation for Piri Reis' cartography during his own life?
  • Source: Soucek, Svat (2013). "His uniqueness among cartographers and hydrographers of the Renaissance". Cartes & Géomatique. No. 216. pp. 135–144. Arrested by the Ottoman governor of Egypt, Piri Reis was executed in 1553 in compliance with an order issued from the imperial headquarters. The sultan probably never recalled – if in fact he ever noticed it – that the aged mariner had at the time of his enthronement dedicated a book called Kitabı Bahriye to him, and that still earlier he had made a strange map whose mutilated remains lay forgotten in the library of Topkapı Palace. [...] Piri Reis and his work occupy a special place in the framework of the exhibition "L'Age d'or des cartes marines: Quand l'Europe découvrait le monde". They show that although the Ottoman Empire had the potential to participate in the discoveries, its ruling elite spurned the attempt to blaze a trail in this direction made by a representative of a marginal group whose other members too ran into dead ends. [...] Piri Reis ran into a dead end as a cartographer [...]
  • ALT1: ... that Piri Reis transported Muslims and Jews from Spain to North Africa during the Granada War?
    • Source: Source: McIntosh, Gregory C. (2000a). The Piri Reis Map of 1513. Athens, Georgia: University of Georgia Press. p. 6. ISBN 978-0-82034-359-4. Archived from the original on 2022-11-21. Piri assisted in transporting the Muslim and Jewish population in Granada from Spain to North Africa during the time of the reconquista.
  • ALT2: ... that Piri Reis advocated for and took part in Suleiman the Magnificent's 1522 Siege of Rhodes?
    • Source: Soucek, Svatopluk (2004). "Navals Aspects of the Ottoman Conquests of Rhodes, Cyprus and Crete". Studia Islamica (98/99): 222. ISSN 0585-5292. JSTOR 20059216. 6. It was one of these gazi-corsairs, Kemal Reis, who suggested repeatedly to Beyazit II that he embark on conquests of potential bases on Rhodes and the Peloponnese, and offered expert advice on how to do it. This was recorded by Kemal Reis's nephew Piri Reis in his Kitab-i bahriye, a book of sailing directions for the Mediterranean compiled in two versions, the first in 1520 and the second in 1526. Advice on how to conquer Rhodes is included, understandably, only in the first version.
    • İnan, Afet; Yolaç, Leman (trans.) (1954). The Oldest Map of America, Drawn by Piri Reis. Ankara: Türk Tarih Kurumu Basimevi. p. 14. OCLC 2435662. Piri's taking part in the Turkish fleet going to the campaign on Rhodes in 1523 is to be regarded as only natural.
    • Source: The context in the end-of-paragraph source makes the above more clear → Isom-Verhaaren, Christine (2022). The Sultan's fleet: seafarers of the Ottoman empire (First published ed.). London New York Oxford New Delhi Sydney: I.B. Tauris. p. 101. ISBN 978-0-7556-4173-4. Also, Kemal Reis or, in actuality, Piri Reis offered this advice to the sultan clearly noting that any plans would be contingent on the sultan's approval. No plan of conquest would be followed unless the sultan was convinced of its feasibility or benefit to the empire. Kemal or Piri also advised against allowing some individuals to consider themselves too important to be required to bring a bag of dirt to help construct a fortress on Kumburnu. Kemal and/or Piri warned against the pretensions of the elite, who considered themselves superior to the men who would be recruited to implement this plan. The conflict between the administrative elite and seafarers echoes throughout this advice.
  • ALT3: ... that Piri Reis did not map Antarctica in the sixteenth century?
    • Source: McIntosh, Gregory C. (2000a). "The Southern Continent". The Piri Reis Map of 1513. Athens, Georgia: University of Georgia Press. pp. 48–68. ISBN 978-0-82034-359-4. p. 68: When viewed in isolation, the coastline of Terra Australis on the Piri Reis map may superficially appear to resemble the actual coast of Antarctica [...]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Christian Albright
  • Comment: There are some photos of sculptures of Piri Reis (like File:Piri reis.jpg) but so far as I know, no likeness was made during his lifetime. ALT3 summarizes the "Legacy" section, but this may be stretching things too much.

Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

• New GA, very well written and referenced article. Did some minor tweaks, but otherwise it looks fine, QPQ has been done and I see nothing standing in the way of this going forward. From the hooks, ALT3 would be the most interesting, followed in my personal view by ALT1. Question to the nominator, Rjjiii, why not include an image of Piri in the DYK nomination? It would help to ensure greater visibility. Constantine ✍ 19:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
  • @Cplakidas: the statues, paintings, stamps, currency, and so on with his likeness were all made after his death. If that's not a big deal, I'll add two alternative versions of the preferred hooks below and an image to the DYK.
    • ALT1a: ... that Piri Reis (statue pictured) transported Muslims and Jews from Spain to North Africa during the Granada War?
    • ALT3a: ... that Piri Reis (statue pictured) did not map Antarctica in the sixteenth century?
  • Also, the tweaks are much appreciated, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
    • @Rjjiii: Thanks for a very informative article. Both hooks look good, image is in article, and appropriately licensed. Good to go. Constantine ✍ 17:16, 6 November 2024 (UTC)