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Fails WP:NBAD and WP:GNG. His achievements are all at junior level and at the moment not worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. zoglophie•talk• 14:51, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
The article notes: "At some point, every athlete dreams of making it to the Olympics, but local badminton prodigy Jason Gunawan has had his heart set on competing at the sporting event since he was four years old. Jason, who celebrated his second consecutive win in the boys’ singles event at the All Hong Kong Schools Jing Ying Tournament last Monday, says he has been dreaming of Olympic glory ever since he watched Chinese player Lin Dan take gold at the 2008 Beijing Olympics. ... A love of badminton runs in Jason’s family. His father, a Chinese Indonesian, used to play for the Jakarta province team. As a child, Jason would head to the local sports centre with his father every Sunday to practise, eventually earning a spot on the Hong Kong junior team. He now trains 30 hours a week at the Hong Kong Sports Institute, but still finds time to practise with his dad, his biggest supporter."
Cheung, Ka-Wa 徐嘉華 (2024-05-25). "羽毛球| 由外圍賽打至8強止步 吳英倫下月生日願望:今年闖入世界排名頭30" [Badminton| From qualifying to the top 8, Jason Gunawan's birthday wish next month: to break into the top 30 in the world this year]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-26. Retrieved 2024-08-26.
The article notes: "父母是印尼華僑的Jason,曾於2020年以最年輕球手(當時16歲)奪全港錦標賽男單冠軍,可惜一場疫情斷送足足3年的青少年比賽,直到2022年5月才開始由低(國際挑戰賽級別)打起,... Jason今年初繼續參加「國際挑戰賽」,亦遇到一些「超級300」的比賽,世界排名由年初105位到本月泰國公開賽(超級500)時是96位,他在該賽的16強,遇上世界排名第5的日本球星奈良岡功大,雙方拉鋸3局,港將只在決勝局輸「刁時」(21:11、 15:21、20:22),世界排名升至本周的83位。"
From Google Translate: "Jason, whose parents are Indonesian overseas Chinese, won the men's singles championship in the Hong Kong Championships in 2020 as the youngest golfer (16 years old at the time). Unfortunately, a pandemic ruined the youth competition for three full years, and it was not until May 2022 that it started. Starting from a low (International Challenge level),... Jason continued to participate in the "International Challenge" at the beginning of this year, and also encountered some "Super 300" competitions. His world ranking increased from 105th at the beginning of the year to this month's Thailand Open (Super 500). ) was ranked 96th at the time. In the top 16 of the tournament, he met Japanese star Kodai Naraoka, who was ranked fifth in the world. The two sides went back and forth for 3 games. The Hong Kong player only lost to "Diao Shi" in the decisive game (21:11, 15 :21, 20:22), the world ranking rose to 83rd this week."
The article notes: "Jason Gunawan became the youngest-ever men’s singles champion at the annual Hong Kong badminton championships at Kowloon Park Sports Centre on Sunday, thanks partly to his decision to turn to full-time training amid the pandemic. Just three months after cutting short his secondary school studies to pursue a full-time sporting career at the Sports Institute, the 16-year-old teenager reigned supreme in the three-game final against Chan Yin-chak, winning 21-19, 17-21, 21-13 to put himself in the record books."
The article notes: "Outside of Hong Kong there is badminton legend Tony Gunawan, the 2000 Sydney Olympic men’s doubles champion of Indonesia. Here in Hong Kong there is 16-year-old Jason Gunawan, a fast-rising talent now setting his sights on becoming another Olympic gold-medal winner like his namesake. ... Gunawan will not be present in Tokyo either as he is still competing in junior events, but the 2024 Paris Games will be his first attempt at making the step up to Olympic level, with the Los Angeles Games four years later his major target for a medal. ... Born in Hong Kong with an Indonesian-Chinese father, Gunawan was destined to make a name in badminton before he was even born, he said."
The article notes: "Hong Kong’s rising star Jason Gunawan appreciated coach Wong Choong Hann’s role in the growth of his career after checking into the men’s singles quarter-finals in the Malaysian Masters. ... Jason, who will be turning 20 next month, is expecting a tougher job against world No. 19 Lu Guangzu of China next but looking forward to gaining invaluable experience."
Chiu, Tsz-chun 趙子晉 (2023-09-14). "羽毛球.香港賽|李卓耀不敵基斯迪衛冕失敗 吳英倫力追世界距離" [Badminton: Hong Kong Open| Lee Cheuk Yiu Fails to Defend Title Against Kistkidis, Jason Gunawan Closes the Gap to World Rankings] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-08-26. Retrieved 2024-08-26.
The article notes: "吳英倫決勝局初段把握對方情緒不穩,多次放高波予甘克起板,Jason曾經領先5:2,甘克一度滑倒倒地。惟Jason體力有所下降,... 年僅19歲的吳英倫,以往主力出戰青年賽為主,就算越級挑戰成年組也是大多是國際挑戰賽級別,主場的香港賽是他生涯首個BWF 500分的賽事。"
From Google Translate: "Jason Gunawan took advantage of his opponent's emotional instability in the early stage of the decisive game and sent high waves to Gan Ke several times. Jason once led 5:2, but Gan Ke once slipped and fell to the ground. But Jason's physical strength has declined... Jason Gunawan, who is only 19 years old, has mainly competed in youth competitions in the past. Even if he jumps to the adult group, most of them are international challenge competitions. The Hong Kong competition at home is his first BWF 500 in his career. points competition."
Cunard, Except for the first source, the coverage of him can't be written as "Significant", which are some scant detailing about him in 2-6. He is a booming player for sure, and we got to wait for him to become a noteworthy figure in future. zoglophie•talk• 10:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
The first two sources—the South China Morning Post and Sing Tao Daily articles—provide substantial coverage about the subject, which enable him to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. The other sources also provide significant to less significant coverage about him (they discuss him in their headlines and cover biographical details about him in the article). The sources all contribute to notability because Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria says "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability." Cunard (talk) 11:08, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep per Cunard. Meets WP:SPORTSBASIC. Plenty of coverage. CFA💬 03:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
Delete Does not meet the WP:SPORTSBASIC standard. Numerous articles create a historical record of the person as an athlete in badminton. When looking at WP:SIGCOV argument proposed by User:Zoglophie against WP:NOT and WP:NBAD, it does not seem that it meets the notability standard for an athlete in this sport. There is consistent coverage to acknowledge notability when the standard is met. Ventric (talk) 04:43, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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Withdrawn after reviewing sources. Thank you, I needed another look. Ventric (talk) 05:33, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
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Comment: Not sure what the "cross-wiki spam" claim is supposed to mean. It's a nationally televised TV series, and has the usual press coverage[1][2][3] and magazine covers[4][5], though as is often the case most information seems to be from press releases. It's 15 years old now so some sources may have gone offline. That said, The current article is such an uninformative substub that there's not much to lose if this is deleted without prejudice. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep. The sources presented by Paul 012 can be added to the page and I consider them enough to show this is notable. A redirect should be considered anyway.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:42, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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None of those papers are about the galaxy itself, they just have some paragraphs discussing it. That's pretty weak notability at best. - Parejkoj (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Still these are multiple sources that provide commentary that is more than a trivial mention. The ALMA series is quite low volume, only discussing a dozen objects at most, including this particular galaxy. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source materialWP:SIGCOV. C messier (talk) 18:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment According to WP:NASTRO we presume notability because it was discovered before 1850 but a careful investigation may show that it is not notable. Even if we discover sufficient references to meet our notability critera we may go on to decide there should not be an article on this galaxy. I hope that is completely clear! Thincat (talk) 12:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Nonnotable surname (only one notable individual with this surname, who probably died 1800 years ago and who has no page on enwiki); material can be merged into Ji (surname). We don't need so many articles with Chinese disambiguators. Yinweiaiqing (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep, unless a stronger reason for deletion can be provided. The article currently cites multiple sources – is there something wrong with them? It doesn't make sense to merge to what is effectively a disambiguation page. —Mx. Granger (talk·contribs) 15:09, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: per Mx. Granger. What's wrong with articles using Chinese disambiguators? CFA💬 22:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete the first source is just a list of surnames from 1,000 years ago. It is a trivial mention and improper use of primary sources. The second source doesn't mention the surname, I can't really tell if the third source is reliable or not, it appears to be user generated but it may just be how the site is presented. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Given the prior AfD resulted in deletion and all current participants are arguing for deletion, I am closing as delete in spite of the low participation. Malinaccier (talk) 20:52, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Extremely minor left-wing group, no reliable third party sources present or discoverable to meet GNG, no notable election victories or the like to justify notability. Also appears to be defunct. Due to splits and other events regarding international organisation it was a part of, there's no clear redirect target. As a result should be deleted. Rambling Rambler (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete – Appears to be a minor and insignificant group, as the nominator said. Web searches of the English and Malay names yielded no significant coverage by reliable sources. Yue🌙 05:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep, passes WP:GNG per these sources [6][7][8][9] which give fairly significant coverage to the subject. There are also other sources available that when combined further their notability for an article. Ednabrenze (talk) 08:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Well, source 8 above is a brief album review in Billboard (fine I guess), the rest are about the season of Big Brother and mention this person in relation to the others on the show. Not exactly significant coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 18:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
Merge: to the Big Brother season? Seems to have survived long enough on the show, but I'm not sure they're notable outside of that context. Doesn't seem to meet musical notability requirements either. The Billboard review is fine, but it's used for musical notability, then we go onto the TV show sources; you have to pick one sort of notability, you can't stack them. Being almost notable as a DJ and almost notable as a TV personality don't add up to an article here. I'm not fussed if this gets !deleted either. Oaktree b (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources I added.
The article notes: "Barrister by day; sexy singer by night. That's the life that has been led by Melbourne barrister, and now pop sensation, Bowie Jane... ... The songstress, whose story has received international press coverage in recent days, is a practising criminal barrister in Melbourne, but she managed to keep her musical pastime a secret from colleagues and clients – until now at least."
The interview notes: "I'm an Australian who has lived in Los Angeles for six years and I’m loving it!" "I was living a very secret double life until my story was exposed by the Daily Mail in the UK which was crazy at the time – I was front page of every major paper in the UK and on every radio show. My double life is that I'm a criminal trial attorney having worked in money laundering and tax fraud but am also a professional DJ singer-songwriter! Basically, I would work as a lawyer during the day, then rip off my conservative clothes and get on stage at night. The lawyers didn't know I was a singer and the musicians didn’t know I was a lawyer. Once my story became public knowledge around the world, I quit the law and am now a full-time musician. I've been performing since I was a kid and started out in musical theater and madrigal groups believe it or not! I think that's where I first fell in love with harmonies. I then really wanted to be in a band so started doing acoustic duo work and then moved into the band arena, started songwriting and then releasing in the UK and touring. ... I love revving up a crowd!"
Doreian, Robyn (25 August 2013). "All out, all change". Lifestyle. The Sun-Herald. Sydney: Fairfax Media. p. 12. Retrieved 1 September 2024. While studying law and commerce at Deakin University, she played covers at restaurants in an acoustic duo. Once qualified, the flip side to courtrooms was laser-lit gigs at venues like Transport, at Melbourne's Federation Square, where she blasted her energetic originals. And in 2013, she sang at the Australian Open tennis tournament. The moniker Bowie Jane came from her nickname - ever since she was a child, she's worn glittery bows in her hair. It was also how she kept her alter ego hidden from colleagues and clients. ... In March, she shelved four years of law practice and moved to London to become a star.
The article notes: "But for Bowie Jane (her stage name), law was an obvious career. "My brain has always been lawyer-ish. When I was 12, I had written contracts with my parents stating who would pay for what in my upbringing." ... While studying law and commerce at Deakin University, she played covers at restaurants in an acoustic duo. Once qualified, the flip side to courtrooms was laser-lit gigs at venues like Transport, at Melbourne's Federation Square, where she blasted her energetic originals. And in 2013, she sang at the Australian Open tennis tournament. The moniker Bowie Jane came from her nickname - ever since she was a child, she's worn glittery bows in her hair. It was also how she kept her alter ego hidden from colleagues and clients. ... In March, she shelved four years of law practice and moved to London to become a star. ... Jane now lives in a share house in Camden. Meetings with management, publishers and performances cram her days. She has also been doing radio interviews to promote her second single, Bad Boy."
"Dance Club Songs". Billboard. 13 October 2018. Retrieved 1 September 2024.
The Billboard chart notes: "Busted Bowie Jane – 21 LAST WEEK – 21 PEAK POSITION – 6 WEEKS ON CHART"
I also found this unreliable law profile source, with her real name:
"Miranda Ball". Meldrum's List. Retrieved 1 September 2024. The law profile notes: "Miranda's experience is extensive having run high profile White Collar Crime Litigations as both a Partner then Barrister. Her recent work includes the Bernie Madoff litigations in Bermuda & the UK, Operation Wickenby, Australian Crime Commission investigations and examinations, Special Leave Applications to the High Court of Australia, Legal Professional Privilege Claims, Constitutional Challenges, Children's Court hearings, Australian Taxation Office litigations/investigations and Coronial Inquests."
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Keep: I've looked at the first three articles found by @Bas/TechGeek105 and they all provide significant coverage of the subject in my opinion. The Sun-Herald one looks more like a traditional newspaper; Lawyers Weekly and VoyageLA both say they have editorial oversight. The article itself is much better in terms of citations and content compared to when it was proposed for AfD. Nnev66 (talk) 01:13, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
The subject does not meet the WP:NTEAM or WP:GNG due to a lack of significant coverage. The only sources in the article are primary and a cursory search didn't reveal anything that would establish notability. Let'srun (talk) 01:40, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete. Zero third-party coverage. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:24, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep The sources available are enough to have notability. As with any highly trending event at the Olympics, they should have their own article. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:01, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
As stated above, it would be WP:UNDUE to redirect/delete it as the article isn't just about the match, but also includes the prior match, the reactions, aftermath, censorship, etc., and the article is noteworthy with WP:RS.--Ronnnaldo7 (talk) 19:53, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete as an unnecessary WP:CFORK, all of the content can be covered adequately elsewhere. Of the text in the article:
The fact that it's a rematch of a 2020 match is somewhat trivial
Kiani won the silver medal, the latter being the first for an Iranian woman at the Olympics, surpassing Alizadeh's 2016 bronze feat can be mentioned at her article and/or Iran at the 2024 Summer Olympics
While Kiani competed for the Iranian team, Alizadeh competed for the Bulgarian team after having represented the Refugee Olympic Team at the 2020 Summer Olympics, and Iran at the 2016 Summer Olympics where she became the first Iranian female medalist at the Olympics. can be covered in Kiani's article and the relevant "Team X at the Y Summer Olympics" articles.
Alizadeh became Bulgaria's first-ever taekwondo competitor at the Olympics, and won Bulgaria's first medal in Olympic taekwondo can be mentioned at Bulgaria at the 2024 Summer Olympics.
In summary, none of this content needs a separate spinoff article for one match. And there is no one sensible merge target. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:14, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment Excellent summation by Joseph2302. I do believe this does not deserve its own WP article as is seems like WP:NOTNEWS. I do think there's material there that can be put into existing articles--especially since they're both individually notable. I'm just not sure where the best fit is for all the information. Papaursa (talk) 14:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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I added three sources to this article, as it had previously been unsourced for 19 years, but I don't think any are helpful for notability. The first merely says that the book was published and what it was about, the second is a book that cites the book and summarizes its arguments, and the third is a review from a British politician's personal website which would be useful however owing to its self published nature is probably not countable for notability. Nothing that actually discusses the book, not enough for WP:NBOOK.
It is frustrating that this book appears to be non-notable, as it appears to be very highly cited (confounding my effort to find discussion of it). Redirect to Mohammad Hashim Kamali? PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep. If the book is "very highly cited" then it satisfies the guideline WP:TBK. NBOOK, like PROF, is, by design, not just a rehash of GNG. The book has some coverage in Reference and Research Book News, and a thorough description of the book (which will not fit in the author's article) is helpful. [I struck my previous !vote which discussed possible merger and redirection targets.] James500 (talk) 01:24, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
@James500 My interpretation of WP:TBK is that it is a rationale for relaxing the degree of sigcov required for academic publications, but not that it is an excuse to not have any - it's phrased in a vague way that imply a combination of several of these factors may help, and this doesn't hit too many of them. The R&R Book News publication is two sentences which just summarize the book - they don't really do reviews, it's usually just a sentence on "this book was published and here is what it's about", which can be helpful but which does not help notability IMO. AFAIK it is generally frowned upon to only have material in an article that is sourced from the topic itself, and that's really all we can get here. "very" highly cited was probably an overestimation on my part, but it does have some yes PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:40, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Your interpretation of TBK is mistaken. TBK says nothing about "significant coverage". The entire purpose of TBK is to disapply GNG. James500 (talk) 01:43, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Well TBK is vague and does not have any clear-cut guidelines like NBOOK does, only "possible findings" and a suggestion to use common sense. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:45, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
The possible findings for notability under WP:TBK, as listed without elaboration, are some combination of the following:
whether the book is published by an academic press, (no)
how widely the book is cited by other academic publications or in the media, (cited a decent amount, but not to an exceptional degree)
the number of editions of the book, (a few, not very high)
whether one or more translations of the book have been published, (none)
how influential the book is considered to be in its specialty area, (not very)
whether it is, or has been, taught, or required reading, in one or more reputable educational institutions (no)
Hence, I disagree with a keep vote. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:51, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Looking at GScholar, Kamali seems to have an exceptional level of citation. The average h-index for a law professor is less than 3, because it is a low citation field for academics. He is said to be "the most widely read living author on Islamic law in the English language". I am tempted to invoke BKCRIT #5. James500 (talk) 02:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Well, he's definitely notable. BKCRIT #5 only applies to people whose "life and body of written work would be a common subject of academic study.", which he is not, but I guess I can see your case here. Unfortunate that we only have an article on what appears to be the least notable of his many works. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
The book "Islamic Commercial Law: An Analysis of Futures and Options" has 333 GScholar citations. The preceding article "Islamic Commercial Law: An Analysis of Futures" has 75 citations. The preceding article "Islamic Commercial Law: An Analysis of Options" has 66 citations. That is a total of 474 citations. I would say that it actually is very highly cited. James500 (talk) 02:27, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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What's the second article then? It's not obvious from the article and your complete lack of description. I see it now. I still wouldn't use AfD as an avenue as requesting a merge in the talk pages would probably be better. – The Grid (talk) 17:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Oppose, It would be better to request a merge in that case. The article in current state appear to be related to two different observances one celebrated by Pakistan and other by India respectively. signed, 511KeV (talk) 05:25, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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Oppose No reason to merge as two different observances in two different countries. War Wounded (talk) 17:02, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep given 4 reliable news articles covering it. Some focus more on explaining the conflict than detailing the event itself, but at least one does and all give some details on it and make arguments about its motivations. It's worth having an article on at least so that people can see what it's about if they're curious. Mrfoogles (talk) 16:11, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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keep. A reasonable navigation tool; only remove items without wikipedia articles. --Altenmann>talk 17:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Again, like I replied in the other article, Navigation tool? What's wrong with a category or a template? That doesn't really seem like a valid argument for keeping the article. It still violates NOTADIRECTORY. Govvy (talk) 23:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep. I'm not sure what part of WP:DIRECTORY this meets. This list does not consist of simple listings, the topics here are not loosely associated, not non-encylcopedic cross-categorizations, a genealogical entry, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business. Grouping telecommunication companies together by area sounds reasonable to me. We have lists like List of companies listed on the National Stock Exchange of India, how are those lists not directories when this one, apparently, is? IMHO I think that the Middle East and Africa telecom companies should be separated but this does not fail WP:DIRECTORY. Relativity ⚡️ 18:45, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. LizRead!Talk! 22:27, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Unnecessary content fork lacking notability for a standalone article. For similar AFDs, see User:Gonzo fan2007/Eureka. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 14:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Tentative keep? It seems that this article is sourced which suggests it is notable. Is there a problem with the sources here? If not, then it's fine. Parent article is very long so a spin-out on this topic per summary style is fine, as long as the sources discuss the later cultural influence - which it seems that they do. SnowFire (talk) 09:18, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
SnowFire, I just want to note that the parent article Eureka Rebellion was significantly smaller prior to Robbiegibbons first edit. In December 2020, during their first edit, it was 87k bits long. This isn't a case of an article being so long that someone came along and made some splits to make things more readable. With all these articles, plus Battle of the Eureka Stockade, which they created, and all the other associated articles they have created or edited, we are looking at over a million bytes written on this topic by this user. I recommended a higher level article first, such as Legacy of the Eureka Rebellion, which could capture a lot of this information from all these topics. Taken as a whole, I think the purpose I am trying to get at is that this all needs to be better summarized in a succinct manner. « Gonzo fan2007(talk) @ 19:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Backing up to first principles here... so there are parts of Wikipedia that are weirdly detailed walled gardens. Some of them are celebrated as a really talented writer collecting every scrap of well-sourceable information on a topic and providing a comprehensive overview, and others are derided as "cruft" and fans run amuck. But... what's the difference? To me the answer is: reliable sources. If there is a topic with extremely deep coverage and good sources on it, mining them out in detail is fine, as long as they're not overstretched to SYNTH degrees. (Think individual Bible episodes, Shakespeare sonnets, etc., which can have entire books on 'em.) If it's just OR and old Geocities pages and primary sources and fan webpages by random independents, then it's a problem. That's why I asked "Is there a problem with the sources here?" above. If these are good sources Robbie is citing, then all of these AFDs should be closed as keep. As he's pointed out himself, we have similarly detailed articles on the Alamo and the like, so I don't find it unreasonable to believe that similarly deep sourcing exists for the Eureka Rebellion as does the Texan Revolution. Now, if it turns out that the sources are, say, print-to-demand Kindle direct books published by a random fan, or the sources are being greatly misrepresented & stretched, I could be convinced to adjust my vote toward the deletion direction. But I'd want to see evidence of that - not merely a general "this seems like too much info" vibe. (See Category:Ned Kelly or the like for an example of an Australian with a bunch of stuff related to him that is presumably valid to have.) SnowFire (talk) 01:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep In accord with SnowFire here, per WP:NEXIST, what sources exist? With a preliminary search, I can see Frost's chapter "Refighting the Eureka Stockade: Managing a Dissonant Battlefield" in Battlefield Tourism (Routeledge, 2007), Couzens' article "Cinematic visions of Australian colonial authority in Captain Thunderbolt (1953), Robbery Under Arms (1957) and Eureka Stockade (1949)" in Studies in Australasian Cinema (2016), Skilton's chapter "Mining, Masculinity, and Morality: Understanding the Australian National Imaginary Through Iconic Labor" in Gendering Nationalism (Springer 2018), Vine's chapter "Colonial Larrikins" in Larrikins, Rebels and Journalistic Freedom in Australia (Springer 2021). There's a very large amount of material on this, an event which has resonated through Australian history for more than a century and a half. This is a perfectly reasonable WP:OKFORK. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 02:17, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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This is basically a directory article again, WP:NOTADIRECTORY, we have categories for this. We don't need list article for this. Govvy (talk) 15:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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keep. A reasonable navigation tool; only remove items without wikipedia articles. --Altenmann>talk 17:42, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Navigation tool? What's wrong with a category or a template? That doesn't really seem like a valid argument for keeping the article. Govvy (talk) 23:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
@Govvy: I agree that the argument might not be valid, but Altenmann has a point about navigation. If someone is reading Wikipedia and looking for a list of telecommunication companies in the Americas, they probably wouldn't look at a category, and a template would be wayyyy too long if we were listing all the companies. (For templates, though, we could split the companies up further into Telecommunications companies in X country, but frankly that would probably overcomplicate a lot of things and it would take up a lot of time.) Heck, before I dove deep into Wikipedia, I didn't even know what a category was. (I am only replying here, not in the other AfD to keep discussion centralized.) Relativity ⚡️ 18:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep. I'm not sure what part of WP:DIRECTORY this fails. This list does not consist of simple listings, the topics here are not loosely associated, not non-encylcopedic cross-categorizations, a genealogical entry, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business. Grouping telecommunication companies together by area sounds reasonable to me. We have lists like List of companies listed on the National Stock Exchange of India, how are those lists not directories when this one, apparently, is? IMHO I think that the North and South America telecom companies should be separated but this does not fail WP:DIRECTORY. Relativity ⚡️ 18:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
I’m not going to get passionate about either position on the matter, I split the articles only for readability. Adriazeri (talk) 21:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
That's very against WP:OR. There is nothing encyclopaedic about these articles. Govvy (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
This has got nothing to do with WP:OR, what are you talking about? Adriazeri (talk) 21:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
I also agree. I'm not seeing anything about these lists that violates WP:OR. Relativity ⚡️ 22:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Found some sources [10] and [11] which are trivial. However [12] appears to be extensive, but I don't think its enough for WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete: My searches yielded lots of passing mentions in "match" reports. The Salzburg24 article linked by the nom has a few sentences of coverage, but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. The subject fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Thanks for the source; it's been added to the article. Bgsu98(Talk) 20:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Delete most of the sources is database or passing mention which fails WP:SPORTCRIT per Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability. This includes listings in database sources with low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion, such as Sports Reference's college football and basketball databases.
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He was elected as the best at his position (libero) at a continental championship - seems to match "The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level." from the linked sports criteria. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 20:53, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
The key word here is likely, as in the subject is likely to have received significant coverage from independent reliable sources by achieving this sporting success. No such coverage has been found. JTtheOG (talk) 21:13, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
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The result was delete. StarMississippi 22:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per WP:NOR and WP:NOTSTATS. It's unclear what the article is even trying to establish - what are the given sales figures for? Are they the cumulative total for the years given for each individual model? It looks like only current- or recent-production vehicles are included, so is the list incomplete? Are there older vehicles that should be on this list but aren't? There's no context here to explain what a reader is supposed to get from this article, and the sources may not be reliable. --Sable232 (talk) 16:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
DeleteWP:NOTSTATS. Agree with Sable's comments above, are these figures even accurate, do they include all older vehicles? LibStar (talk) 07:09, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Hungary–United Kingdom relations#Resident diplomatic missions. I don't think another relisting will lead to further comments. I'm closing this as a Merge so if there is any content relevant to the target article, it can be preservd and this article can be changed to a Redirect. LizRead!Talk! 22:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Fails WP:GNG as lacking "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."
Sources provided do not establish notability. AusLondonder (talk) 08:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
This article charts the significant history of the British Embassy in Budapest, the sources highlight its notability and link with the evacuation of Jews during the holocaust. AusLondoner is on a mindless campaign to delete all embassy pages. Cantab12 (talk) 09:01, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
KEEP As such it should be kept. Cantab12 (talk) 09:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
The Swedish consul rented space in a bank and declared it diplomatic premises to shelter Jews during the Holocaust. How is this related to the British embassy? AusLondonder (talk) 11:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
*KEEP* There is a link with the Swiss too who took over the site as a neutral power during WWII. Please stop. Cantab12 (talk) 18:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete unfortunately, many buildings have had to be used to shelter refugees. I don't see any significant coverage that indicates that this was particularly notable that would satisfy GNG. ForksForks (talk) 19:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Merge into Hungary–United Kingdom relations#Resident diplomatic missions. While a case can be made to keep, as has been done above, the parent article is short and can contain this information without creating a real situation of UNDUE. Whatsmore, the information on the embassies now is minimal and less. Here, too, an ATD should have been proposed and, ideally, the merge discussion should have been used. gidonb (talk) 21:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep Important article about a notable building in Budapest. Cantab12 (talk) 08:54, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
You have already voted. Plus just recycled another vague argument from another AfD. [13]LibStar (talk) 09:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Merge per GidonB. Thryduulf (talk) 21:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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Basically per WP:WEBHOST. This article has been tagged as possibly having been "created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" for over seven years with no resolution of that tag. Notable or not, Wikipedia should not maintain content that violates its terms of use for such a length of time. BD2412T 02:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Speedy keep: AfD is not clean up, Yes, the article is in bad shape but the subject of the article is notable enough as the lead alone is enough explained how he is notable. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 08:43, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Keep: meets WP:NBASIC. Promotional content can be removed. No reason to delete an article on a notable topic. CFA💬 16:46, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Basically per WP:WEBHOST. This article has been tagged as possibly having been "created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" for over seven years with no resolution of that tag. Notable or not, Wikipedia should not maintain content that violates its terms of use for such a length of time. BD2412T 02:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: The concept discussed in the article is distinct from standby power and plug load and doesn't have a clear merge target. The issues regarding paid contributions could be remedied in a rough manner by removing all mentions of specific brands, recommendations, etc., and it isn't so bad that the whole article should be deleted and redone (WP:TNT). The concept exists beyond its uses to promote brands. Reconrabbit 16:41, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep, just remove everything that could be paid/promotional. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 21:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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Weak keep per Microplastic Consumer. Sources are somewhat routine but still offer enough significant coverage to meet WP:NBASIC. It's not like he's a losing candidate; he was elected as mayor of a large city. CFA💬 03:42, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
This article is very promotional and written in a very spammy way. I have already removed a copyright violation but I cannot find any sustained coverage of the organisation that would help it pass WP:NCORP, save some press releases. – Isochrone (talk) 16:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep The article goes over a foundation. Many of the individual projects have coverage in reliable, neutral, third-party sources (especially in terms of architecture) which are cited. One of the projects is already a Wikipedia article and is linked to in the article. In terms of individual projects, there is a healthy amount of coverage online. I will add criticism about one project that was discontinued to add a complete perspective of all projects. — Note to closing admin: Starlighsky (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
Delete. Per nom. Case of WP:PROMO, Promotion, advertising. Company fails WP:N and WP:NCORP. RangersRus (talk) 12:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
I would think that it is not promotion or advertising because it has a criticism of a failed project by the foundation. Starlighsky (talk) 13:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. A search under his name and "Anthony Langdon" yielded no sources. I also searched Australian database trove and it only yielded two 1 line mentions of this person. LibStar (talk) 09:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep Represented his nation. Multiple secondary sources available on British newspaper Archive, I have added two of them and there are plenty more available. Racingmanager (talk) 14:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Racingmanager (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
Representing his nation does not guarantee automatic notability. LibStar (talk) 04:08, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Criteria 4 of NMOTORSPORT is not applicable to this case by any stretch of the imagination. Further, this user has since been banned from deletion discussions (ANI decision). 5225C (talk • contributions) 12:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
@5225C: But does then their comment count towards the final verdict? They were banned after they made this comment. Relativity ⚡️ 20:29, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
That's for the closing administrator to decide. 5225C (talk • contributions) 10:35, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
@5225C, do you have a view of the notability of this person? LibStar (talk) 04:16, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
The sourcing in the article is almost comically bad. I don't think it's anywhere close to meeting the GNG. I have serious concerns about speedway coverage on Wikipedia. Virtually every article I encounter, whether it's a team, rider, or series, has a complete lack of quality sourcing and generally lacks a credible claim of encyclopaedic significance. Apologies to fans of speedway, but not every sport is actually notable, and it doesn't look like speedway personalities deserve encylopaedic coverage (not that they get any coverage outside of speciality, industry-published outlets). If it were up to me, I'd batch delete every speedway biography written in the last two years. 5225C (talk • contributions) 11:30, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. Just noting you haven't actually cast a !vote here. LibStar (talk) 23:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
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WP:BRANCH. The branch lacks enough independent notability to be able to pass WP:NCORP and I suggest DELETING or REDIRECTING, but I am not sure of target. Graywalls (talk) 20:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
The form of incorporation with their local government entity isn't all that relevant. It only matters when their scope of activity is national or international. Graywalls (talk) 22:17, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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This appears to be a hoax, or at the very least non-notable. The article was created by User:Anabwani2007, whose only edits consist of creating and editing this article, as well as adding a mention of Anabwani to Omukama of Bunyoro. None of the links presently given in the article even mention Anabwani. I wasn't able to find even a mention in reliable sources either. A Ugandan newspaper, Daily Monitor, mentions him in an article, but that's it (and their list is sourced to the monarchy's website anyway, where he's similarly merely mentioned once). toweli (talk) 19:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Weak Keep most sources on the article are self-published, however per WP:MONARCH he is considered automatically notable as a sovereign ruler. Azarctic (talk) 23:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Well, the issue is, I'm not sure if he's even real (I haven't seen a mention of him predating the 2010s), and even if we count that particular newspaper article as reliable (which I'm not certain that it is), the only thing we can say is that he existed, which isn't enough for a standalone article. toweli (talk) 23:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
In general, the Daily Monitor holds a left-leaning editorial bias and is reasonably fact-based; however, they poorly source information. The articles does really need more reliable sources for verification which is why I made my vote a weak keep. Azarctic (talk) 11:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Keep note that the source used for this was likely oral, and his being mentioned in a literate source should be enough to put it beyond reasonable doubt of him being genuine
The only source stems back to an honours mill that just had a half-dozen articles deleted within the last month for self-published promo. How is this any different if it’s all stemming from an interested party? —Greens vs. Blacks (talk) 04:43, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Dubious at best. Each source finds its way back to a self-published honours mill. Wikipedia is not here to boost the claims of unreferenced, unverifiable pedigrees. —Greens vs. Blacks (talk) 04:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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Keep: I did a search, and there does seem to be quite a few sources on the topic, so that mostly rules being a hoax. And of coarse WP:MONARCH makes the topic notable. Lordseriouspig 20:04, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Could you link some of those sources? toweli (talk) 20:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
Simply fails WP:FILMMAKER. Sources are not helpful toward establishing notability on this subject, the ones from WP:BEFORE are not helpful either. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete. Fails WP:FILMMAKER. None of his work is widely cited and significantly well-known that have been the primary subject of multiple independent reviews. Only exception is film Samandar that has barely two reviews and I could not find any more. The subject has not won significant critical attention for his work. The sources on the pages lack significant coverage on the career of the subject and are more on actor'debut, title track, unveiling of teaser, claim of audience reaction, unreliable source like filmytown.com and WP:NEWSORGINDIA. RangersRus (talk) 15:37, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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Draftify it needs more sources. Xegma(talk) 14:04, 2 September 2024 (UTC)