User:David Tornheim

Generalized from below:

(1) Avoid making all your edits in one topic area. If you get too invested, someone who disagrees with you may allege you are a Single Purpose Editor (Account) (WP:SPA) or that you have an undisclosed conflict of interest (WP:COI). If you get angry at people who disagree with you, try working on articles that you feel less attachment to.

If applicable, Right now nearly all of your edits are about _______. Better to branch out.

(2) Don't accuse other editors of double-standards, don't call them names, don't get nasty, etc.

(3) Keep your cool. Try not to get flustered if nasty untrue allegations are made against you. If you do, your nasty or snarky responses will be noted, compiled into a collection of diffs and used against you to make a narrative that makes you into a monster at WP:AN/I, WP:AE or some other forum. The essay WP:Don't take the bait talks about this. It's okay to say, "That's not true." and provide evidence. But don't start calling your accuser names or they will take you to WP:AN/I and use the name-calling to have you blocked, etc.

(4) If you feel you are harassed, you can take the issue to WP:AN/I. I would be very cautious before doing that. Look at what others do. To win a case at AN/I, you must provide diffs. Until you learn how to create diffs like other editors do at AN/I, I think you will have a hard time winning any case there. Some editors are "teflon" (see Beeblebrox's unblockables), and they can get away with things no one else can. Taking them to AN/I will make your jaw drop, cause immense frustration, and be unfortunately, a complete waste of your time. Do your research before taking a case to AN/I. Maybe spend some time looking at cases at AN/I to see how that works.

(5) Go to some super controversial articles and just watch. Try not to speak, just watch at the article and the talk page. Watch for edit warring. See what happens when someone adds something that others disagree with, and especially watch what happens when they don't get their way.

Advice I gave to some new editors (I will try to make this more general when I have time):

(1) Don't spend any more time trying to defend: Article 1, Article 2, etc . It/They may be a lost cause. The other editors will decide what happens to those articles, but what you have said so far will be considered. Saying more doesn't help you. Let the process play out. Please read WP:BLUDGEON

(2) Work on other articles. Try working on articles that you feel less attachment to. Other editors feel you are too attached to those two articles and your voluminous responses defending them is probably the reason. If you work on too few articles with too much investment, you will be accused of being a WP:SPA.

(3) Look at this to see what happens when you make accusations against other users. (see: sealioning).

(5) continued... You might notice that you are not treated any differently. They will have warnings all over their talk page too.

Please also note that one of the editors who has accused you took me to WP:AN/I twice. Take a look at the cases here, and you will see that you are not alone in dealing with things that you believe are double-standards. Please don't ask me about those cases. Just read and try to figure out for yourself.

(4) If you feel you are harassed, you can take the issue to WP:AN/I. I would be very cautious before doing that. I have seen few new users succeed at AN/I. To win a case at AN/I, you must provide WP:diffs. Until you learn how to create diffs like other editors do at AN/I, it would be nearly impossible to win a case there. Also, some editors are "teflon", and they can get away with things no one else can (see User:Beeblebrox/The_unblockables). Taking them to AN/I would make your jaw drop, cause immense frustration, and be, unfortunately, a complete waste of your time. So do your research before taking any case to AN/I.

(6) Look at other articles where there are disputes over resources as to whether something is WP:RS or not, and where there are questions about whether a sources meets WP:MEDRS or not. Take a look at noticeboards, such was WP:RS/N, WP:NPOV/N, WP:FRINGE/N, where issues of sources are mentioned. The disputes there may take a tone that is familiar.

As for what to do at Specific Carb Diet, I have some thoughts, but I am going to wait and keep it brief for now. Because right now you are getting a lot of pushback, I suggest you slow down, and instead of pushing for changes there, try to follow some of my above advice in the meantime. I suggest avoiding any WP:BOLD changes to the article--on some articles it works; on some articles like this one there is intense negative pushback resulting in warnings. Instead of changing the article, share proposed changes at the talk page first, and if a majority of editors rejects it, try to accept their opinion even if it seems patently wrong based on your knowledge of the sources. I know it can be incredibly frustrating to have to accept a majority opinion if you strongly feel the opinion is wrong.

(1) When dealing with non-experts, rather than making big changes, make changes ONE AT A TIME. It will be far easier to argue from the sources (and short quotes from those sources) and for editors like me to follow.

(2) If you keep it simple, those who disagree will have to do the same. Good text from a quality source(s) is hard to oppose based on WP:NPOV.

(3) It makes no difference if I agree that your big rewrite is an improvement. You have about four editors at the page who do not. You have to get a consensus before such a WP:BOLD change would stick. Reverts (undo) by you, will be reverted by these four editors, accomplishing nothing, and will lead to the talk page warnings, which lead to blocks, topic bans, etc. It's not helping you at all to try to push your version in when you do not have support at the talk page. Think small.

(4) You were indeed making better progress with small edits. Their defense of "causing malnutrition" is weak. If you are patient, there might be improvement there. Give other editors to a chance to weigh in on that issue.

(5) Regarding the "most recent change on the article this morning taking it to completely unfounded allegations", rather than put in your preferred version for the entire article, which had already been rejected more than once, all you had to do was revert the new edit. Then the editor who added the new material would have the burden under WP:BRD to address your concern that it is unfounded. I suggest you put that concern about it being unfounded on the talk page. I created this section where you can express your concerns.

Suggestion to EDITOR: Please read my suggestions for new users at the top of my page User:David_Tornheim. It's short and could save you from getting blocked, taken to WP:AN/I, taken to WP:AE and topic banned, getting numerous unpleasant warnings and accusations of WP:DISRUPTIVE or WP:TENDENTIOUS behavior, and various other unpleasant forms of push back when there are more editors who oppose your proposed changes than support them. ~~~~

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