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This list in Orlady's userspace is a list of articles edited by me, doncram, which she has identified in order to criticize them. Elkman, Station1, Ntsimp, Polaron, and Orlady have seen fit to revise some of these articles and mark some of them "done" here. I disagree in general with some of the criticism of these articles which has been expressed elsewhere, but I also agree that most of these articles, like most articles in Wikipedia, can indeed be improved. Some of the apparent focus has been upon removing statements that I believed to be accurate, but which were deliberately ambiguous, where more precise statements of fact were not possible to write. I definitely agree that replacing an ambiguous statement with a sourced statement of fact is an improvement. IMO, simply removing a sourced ambiguous statement is not necessarily an improvement. IMO, changing an ambiguous statement to a more confident but possibly false statement is not a help. If no one objects strenuously, i will give some specific comments about the articles as created or edited by me, and about subsequent changes to them. Hopefully this will help improve understanding of what my intentions were and will help improve the articles. --doncram 20:56, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- So nice to see you back at Wikipedia, Doncram.
- This list was started during a WP:AN discussion in April 2011 and expanded during a later WP:AN discussion. The articles listed here are examples of issues addressed in those discussions. The closing administrator's summary of the conclusions of that second discussion states, in part:
- There is a consensus that Doncram's creation of the stubs at issue, and similar stubs, is disruptive (#Consensus). These creations have been characterized as error-prone, vague, and generally impart little usable information.
- There is a consensus that Doncram's excessive use of verbatim quotes, which routinely constitutes a significant portion of the stubs at issue, is unacceptable, especially as it implicates WP:NFC (#Another question regarding consensus on article quality).
- Although the question is slightly closer, due to the relative fewer number of participants, there is a consensus for Orlady's proposed resolution (#Where do we go from here? (Proposed resolution)), which I will quote below:
Users encountering Doncram-created content that is defined in this discussion as unacceptable may delete that content from the article or move it to the talk page for discussion. If simple excision of the problematic content cannot be done in a fashion that results in a coherent article or stub, then the entire article may be moved to the user's space. Content should not be restored to article space until the issues are resolved. Content removal consistent with this directive will not be considered to be edit warring.
- Several users have treated this list as a "to do" list of problem articles needing to be fixed. Please do not delete the annotations that have been made here after the problems were fixed. --Orlady (talk) 03:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
- I disagree with Orlady's characterization of consensus in those previous discussions.
- I think i added my comments accidentally to a previous version of this page which had the effect of deleting some others' comments. Sorry about that; thanks for adding those other comments back. I'll continue commenting on some others. --doncram 15:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
- That is not my characterization of consensus. I quoted the closing administrator who reviewed and summarized the discussion. 'Nuf said. --Orlady (talk) 19:10, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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