User:Patrick0Moran/Archive1

Hello. When you create a new page, could you use complete sentences and highlight the title word or title phrase at its first appearance? Thanks. Michael Hardy 00:12 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Greetings! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you have questions or doubts of any sort, do not hesitate to post them on the Village Pump, somebody will respond ASAP. Other helpful pages include:

Have fun! --Jiang 00:29 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)


Spam? Huh? See my reply on the village pump. -- Wapcaplet 16:11, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Wapcaplet, spamming? Perish the thought! -Smack 01:52, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

What is the recommended approach/remedy when somebody sends you "talk"/e-mail about their great T-shirts they have fore sale? Spam within this system is even more annoying (if possible) than spam to my regular e-mail address. I assume there must be a process for protesting against the activity of somebody who sends such junk. Patrick0Moran 06:46, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Has this ever actually happened? Your user talk: page doesn't show anything of the sort. Spam depends on high volume. A single message targeted at a single person is vanishingly unlikely to get any response. It's just so much easier to send real email in bulk. -Smack 06:50, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
According to my talk page, Patrick0Moran apparently believes I am the source of this spam he refers to. I have not, nor will I ever, sent spam, either in email or talk form, to anyone, least of all anyone on Wikipedia, and least of all about T-shirts which I don't even possess. Could you please show us where this has occurred, Patrick? I'm interested to know who is impersonating me. -- Wapcaplet 16:11, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I assume that
== Wikipedia T-Shirts ==

I've made some Wikipedia T-shirt designs. Check out my meta user page for designs which you are free to use for any purpose you like.

is what he is talking about... If you usually remember to sign your posts, and often post on talk: pages, there would be a link to an "advertisment" posted on many talk pages. I'm not sure about the e-mail part, watchlists, where you get an e-mail if the page changes, haven't been implemented, have they? (In writing this, I just noticed a quote from myself in your user page history - apparently I'm famous already...) Ксип Cyp 17:53, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
A search of the user talk: namespace for 't-shirt' revealed no spam. On the other hand, it also did not detect the table that Cyp just posted, so I don't know if it's meaningful at all. -Smack 01:57, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
That's because the search is currently running off a static copy of the database, so it won't show anthing that was added in the last couple of days. Angela 02:00, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
What I posted was from User:Wapcaplet, not from the User talk namespace. Ксип Cyp 10:05, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)


I thing that appears in the box above appeared when I clicked on "you have messages" one time. I didn't go to Wacaplet's user-talk, unless there was a link somehow hooked in with "you have messages." I read it too fast and thought it meant real T-shirts, but even so I prefer to go to the "classified ads" in my newspaper or go to the yellow pages, rather than getting, e.g., (it really happened) a phone call from the local mortuary suggesting... Well, you get the idea. I'm not sure how this happened. I can't see any indication of the message being edited out of my stuff, but I can't find it. I apologize to Wapcaplet for getting his name/identity involved in this publicly. I wrote to the "well" because I looked around for a link for some kind of FAQ on how to handle "unrequested commercial solicitations" and the link.

Patrick0Moran 17:31, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

No hard feelings :-) -- Wapcaplet 03:53, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Glad to see this sorted. :) Martin 10:05, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

You beat me! I don't know if there is any technical term for trot in Chinese. wshun 20:00, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)


Your entry on Horse breaking seems more of an essay on the topic - whether the practice is good or not. For the wikipedia, it should be a description of the thing from a neutral point of view. --Zippy 08:18, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)


I wouldn't have chosen to use the term "horse breaking" because it is not NPOV itself. It assumes the use of violence in the initial training of horses. You can't break an egg without breaking it. I have tried to add enough not best practices without calling them stupid and counterproductive to balance the issue by showing the whole range of techniques that can be used in what is colloquially and frequently inaccurately called "horse breaking."


Does the Chinese char -> Unicode method described by User:kt2 fromerly on his user page work -- here -- for you? --Menchi 05:20, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Another method: Enter the characters at http://www.ask.com/ , and the next screen will reveal their codes. It doesn't work with a string over 10 char though, I think. --Menchi 05:27, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Replied on User talk:Menchi#Chinese character input problem. --Menchi 01:49, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)

This works great on my 'puter: [http://code.cside.com/3rdpage/us/unicode/converter.html Character Codes in HTML Unicode convertor]. --Menchi 01:26, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)


What was wrong with the material you took out of Gender role? RickK 02:12, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)


It was my stuff that somebody objected to, so I decided to remove it and then go over the things that I saw as problematical, one by one.

Patrick0Moran 02:21, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I thought it was good stuff. Too bad. RickK 02:25, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I'm not trying to deny the value of the work, if it has value. I've found the disagreements about sex and related subjects difficult to pursue for some reason. Securing clarity is not easy because the subject is so complex and everything seems to have been done without much top-down planning.

Thanks for the kind words.

Patrick0Moran 02:47, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)

thanks. The kung fu page seems to need a lot work. Even the martial arts page covers kung fu better.

Xah P0lyglut 10:03, 2003 Nov 30 (UTC)

I appreciate the explanation on my talk page. However, you should know that the convention of breaking up the page in the way you discuss is usually used for articles (although there is even a limit at which an article must for practical reasons be broken up). The convention for talk pages is to periodically archive material. I don't believe any one very considers it tantamount to deletion or vandalism, it is simply a way of managing what is in effect an endlessly ongoing conversation. Slrubenstein

The fact that a "convention", as you call it, is usually used for articles does not prevent its being used to improve the readability of talk pages. P0M

The trouble with archiving a talk page at a crucial point is that continuity of discussion is lost. In particular, if an objection had been raised that somebody did not wish to respond to, archiving the discussion at that point would have the advantage, for the person who would find the objection difficult to answer, that things that are "out of sight [go] out of mind." I do not intend to accuse you of deliberately obscuring a line of questioning, but I was miffed to discover that I would have to copy things from the archive to the current talk page to make them "reappear" -- and that even then they would probably draw somebody's ire for being taken out of context. P0M 09:17, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)


Dear Patrick, I'm very sorry about that! I'm using Mozilla so I can use IRC chat at thesame time, and it's an old version that has some weird bugs when I use cut and paste or even typeover. Also, I didn't check the edit history before I came here to leave this message, so it's possible that EntmootOfTrolls (alias Ann) deleted them when "she" deleted Slrubenstein's comments. But it was probably me (completely inadvertently) and I'm truly sorry. Thanks, BCorr € Брайен 05:04, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

No problem. I was wrong to screech at you without communicating privately first. I think I am getting a little shell-shocked. Too many things are changing after an eternity of trying to get a single point straightened out. P0M

Thanks -- and not to worry. It was just bad luck for me to have that happen after EoT decided to drop in. It so hard to figure out what's going on when things are already stressful. Cheers, BCorr € Брайен 14:27, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)

For part of an explanation I'm working on, I'm trying to get a short list of beneficial human mutations. The mutation that created "white" skin is one. The mutation that improved our ability to make speech sounds is another one. If I need to fill things out with non-beneficial but readily apparent, I know of two more, blue skin and red hair. Any others you can think of? Thanks. P0M 00:51, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)~

Two obvious ones are the "sickle cell" mutation which, while not beneficial in itself, provides resistance against malaria, and a common mutation in the CCR4 gene which offers resistance against HIV. Stewart Adcock 01:25, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[Peak:] Stewart - Isn't that CCR5? See e.g. http://www.broad.mit.edu/mpg/popgen/pubs/1998_AJHG_CCR5.pdf Peak 07:36, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[Peak:] Patrick - Careful!

First - "beneficial" in biology is usually relative to environment. Thus the sickle-cell mutation confers a net benefit in some environments, but not in others. In cases where there are significant numbers of subpopulations with different alleles, it is safe to assume that differenct variations are either neutral or ambiguous with respect to benefits. That is, since there are fairly large numbers of people with the various eye colors, we can be sure that no one eye color is "uniformly beneficial".

Second - almost all the "universally beneficial" mutations that any one subpopulation of H. sapiens has today are in fact universal to the species. That is, universally beneficial mutations that occurred since the emergence of H. sapiens are extremely rare. This is basically because H. sapiens is of such recent origin and has for the most part maintained a gene flow, with the result that most of the genetic variability amongst extant H. sapiens is either "invisible" or associated with detrimental changes.

Putting it rather crudely:

H. sapiens ~= common ancestor with chimps + beneficial mutations

There seems to be a nice little paradox here: although beneficial mutations are very rare, we are the sum of a set of such mutations.Peak 07:36, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[P0M:] I am trying to find a clear and convincing example to explain why “all beneficial mutations are in fact universal to the species.” There has to be a reason why some people are so stuck on the idea of “race,” and I suspect that it is due to their inability to see how a grandchild can inherit traits from all four grandparents. (And, of course, if that is possible then a more gradual mixing of genetic components could occur.) “How can a good caucasian of blue blood stock end up with shovel-shaped incisors?!?”

[P0M:] Consider a situation in which A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H are alleles, i, j,...p are alleles, and so forth. The primed elements in the following schematic representation are beneficial mutations. The pairs of columns are chromosomes, and only four genes of interest are included in these imaginary chromosomes:

Adam      Beth    Calvin        Delores
A’  B     C  D     E  F         G   H’
i   j’    k  l     m n’         o   p
Q   R     S’ T     U V          W’ X
y   z     a  b’    c’ d         e   f

[P0M:] If some people believe that only the chromosomes as pictured above could be inherited, then they would have trouble to believe in a grandchild, or anybody farther down the line, called

Ida
A’ H’
j’  n’
S’ W’
b’  c’

[P0M:] Instead, if V (or some other gene on the same first-level chromosome) codes for violet eyes, then those people would expect to find n’ (improved oxygen absorption adaptation for high altitudes, for instance) only in people with violet eyes. And if R codes for vivid red hair, they would expect to find j’ (improved sound articulation adaptations facilitating human speech) only in people with red hair. Finding both improved oxygen absorption and improved speech production in people with neither violet eyes nor red hair would seem contrary to reason, perhaps. I know it’s a contrived example, which is why I’d like to find some instance of a beneficial mutation (or even something like the sickle-cell trait, although for vividness I’d prefer something that could be determined more readily) together with two “marker” characteristics on the "same" chromosome. P0M 02:37, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)