User talk:Cwmhiraeth/Archive 1

Hello Cwmhiraeth, welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Our intro page contains a lot of helpful material for new users—please check it out! If you need help, visit Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on this page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Quadzilla99 (talk) 18:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. I found this through a quick google search:[1] I added a raw unformatted reference to the article and added quotes, because the editor that added that info copied it from the source and didn't put it in his own words. Quadzilla99 (talk) 15:24, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
My bad that book appears to be a mirror of wikipedia. I kept the 2 at the end and removed the ref. Could use a citation, but at least it makes more sense now. Quadzilla99 (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. That looks more plausible. I have made a rather larger edit by adding a section on Llandysul Church on the Llandysul page.

Looks good, interesting info. A couple of pedantic details: see here for formatting book sources; try to add the page number in case someone wants to check the information. And you have a typo; you wrote that it was founded in 4562. I assume it was 456, I didn't change it because I thought maybe it was 452 though. Here are some free use pictures of the town (including a few of the church):[2] If you want to add them to the article its easy. It should look like this in the editing box:[[Image:file name|thumb|description...this is blah blah blah]].
After the word Image: you paste or type the name of the file but don't include the beginning ("File:") or it won't work. If you want to adjust the size of the immage it should look like this [[Image:file name|thumb|200px|description...this is blah blah blah]] and then you adjust the number before px. If you have more questions about adding pictures see here or just ask me. Quadzilla99 (talk) 16:14, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


I corrected the typo and added a photo. Thank you. Am I right in thinking that all my edits are likely to be supervised by senior editors or should I continue to report on anything more than minor alterations that I make till I am a bit more experienced?
How would I be able to use the photo http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/741644 for the page on Pentrecwrt which I have been expanding slightly? [1] link type for web references.

Pictures have to be free use, so yes that pic would qualify. I guess you're getting the hang of the image policy already. It has to be uploaded to commons first. I have an account over there (right here) so if you have a question you can ping me over there or go to the commons help page.
As for your edits, editors are encouraged to be bold but honestly there are a lot of little rules and regulations so I think its easier to have someone to ask that knows a lot of them already or to go to the help page. The alternative is reading a huge tome of rules and then all of the numerous subpages with more rules and then the subpages of the subpages of the subpages etc, etc, ad infinitum. Also, most of edits on pages with little traffic go unnoticed so no one would automatically check over your edits in a lot of cases. One of the reasons I try to help new users is there is a cadre of editors who just watch recent edits and then tag user talk pages with warnings for mistakes they have made, which I feel can be counter productive. When I first started a user followed me around reverting my edits and repeatedly tagging my talk page with warnings (which I considered a sort of Scarlett Letter) when I made mistakes. It did make me learn the rules faster, but I wouldn't be surprised if those kind of tactics drive new editors off a lot of times.
One editing note it is advised to include the publisher, date, and if possible ISBN when you cite a book source. That just makes it easier for someone to locate the book later, for instance, Benshoff, Harry M. & Griffin, Sean. pg. 167. America on film: representing race, class, gender, and sexuality at the movies. Wiley-Blackwell 2004 ISBN 1405170557 then later if you reference it again just say, Benshoff & Griffin. pg. 172. If you are going to do a ton of work you can break up the references into two sections like I have done here and here in an article I am working on. You can title the second section "Sources" or more usually "References". Btw the pg. abbreviation is just an idiosyncratic preference I still hold onto so the p and pp system you used is more widespread here.
One other little note after you type a message on a talk page you should type in four tildes (~), that signs your name and makes conversations on talk pages easier to follow. There's a button you can press down below the edit box that automatically adds four tildes. Quadzilla99 (talk) 17:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help again. I am an editor with the ODP and new editors there also have to get used to the guidelines and may be put off editing by tactless adverse comments. The Llandysul info came from a 12 page pamphlet.

I have tried to upload the Geograph photo of Pentrecwrt, a process I did not find easy. I couldn't decide on the category so put it in the Llandysul one as it is nearby. It wasn't there when I subsequently looked but maybe there is a time lag. Or maybe I failed! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks Good! I made a mistake earlier, my user page on Commons is over here btw. Quadzilla99 (talk) 14:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Photo added to Pentrecwrt and a few sentences to St Govan. The reference for the latter has come out at the end of the list because it is in a different format from the other references. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. I assume you're talking about the <ref name=""/> thing? In case you don't know what that is, if you are going to use a reference multiple times you give it a name (<ref name="DH122">Doherty. p. 122</ref>) the first time it appears and then later use the shortened name: <ref name="DH122"/> instead of typing everything out. Or for a web references:<ref name="Gill">Gill, Barbara. [http://www.nj.com/lindbergh/hunterdon/index.ssf?/lindbergh/stories/demcovr.html Lindbergh kidnapping rocked the world 50 years ago], ''[[The Hunterdon County Democrat]]'', May 29, 1981, accessed October 29, 2010.</ref> then just <ref name="Gill"/> Quadzilla99 (talk) 21:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I have added a paragraph to Capel-y-ffin and one to http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Tabernacle_Chapel,_Morriston .Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. You could put periods after the author and book name. See here. Incidentally, what language is that in the Tabernacle article? Celtic? Interesting, I can't imagine saying some of those words out loud, so few vowels. Quadzilla99 (talk) 22:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Periods added. The language is Welsh (I have added this info to the page). W and Y are both vowels in Welsh, the former being equivalent to a double O. I have expanded the page on Pen-y-Clawdd. It now includes a web reference which I may not have done correctly. I also added a link for Raglan but that takes one to the disambiguation page whereas the page I wanted is called Raglan, Monmouthshire. Is there a way to manage this problem? I have also expanded the page http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Bicton,_South_Shropshire . The OS grid reference was wrong and refers, as does the dot on the map, to the Bicton near Shrewsbury, http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Bicton,_Shrewsbury . I changed the grid reference but not the map dot.Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I made one minor edit:[3] If you look at the references section in that link and then see this from earlier:[4], you can see the difference.
You can "pipe a link" like this: [[George Carlin|Carlin]]. That way you can say, "Quadzilla99 always considered Carlin the funniest of all the stand up comics." This is the non citation template method of formatting a web citation you plan to use in more than one location: <ref name="Gill">Gill, Barbara. [http://www.nj.com/lindbergh/hunterdon/index.ssf?/lindbergh/stories/demcovr.html Lindbergh kidnapping rocked the world 50 years ago], ''[[The Hunterdon County Democrat]]'', May 29, 1981, accessed October 29, 2010. Where accessed is the date you checked the web page, and the first date is the date it was published. If it only exists on a website it will look like this:Wood, Bret. [http://www.tcm.com/thismonth/article/?cid=90484&rss=mrqe Scarface (1932)], [[Turner Classic Movies|tcm.com]], June 1, 2000, accessed November 1, 2010. If there is no author and /or date it was originally published it will look like this:[http://www.tcm.com/thismonth/article/?cid=90484&rss=mrqe Scarface (1932)], [[Turner Classic Movies|tcm.com]], accessed November 1, 2010. Inside of the brackets it will look like this [www.blank.com article name]
The citation templates I linked to earlier are used by a ton of editors so you might want to go that route, they are neither required nor explicitly recommended however. The benefit they provide is a simpler way to see what you have to fill out and add, the drawbacks are that some people feel they add needless code and clutter to articles. Also, a lot of people use "retrieved on" instead of "accessed", that's just another personal preference of mine. Quadzilla99 (talk) 21:56, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I can now manage to "pipe a link" and I also managed to work out how to correct the map location for Bicton, South Shropshire. Thank you. I have made some edits in Clytha Castle, Grosmont,_Monmouthshire and Llangorse Lake (with two references in the latter to the same book page). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I have also created a new article http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=User:Cwmhiraeth/Cefn_Golau Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure this site passes WP:RS. As it looks to be self published. Read here. See if maybe you can find another source to verify that info.
On the new article, once you create it (but not before) add category templates at the bottom in the edit box like [[Category:Cemeteries in Wales]]. Just that one will do for now. You can look at articles similar to the one you are starting whenever you create one and see if any of the categories they have apply to your new article. Also, I'm sure you know, but make sure to write a lead sentence. Quadzilla99 (talk) 14:05, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

A good way to find reliable sources is to check the google news archives. Such as here:[5] Just because an article appears in the google news archives doesn't automatically make it qualify, but it does nine times out of ten in my experience. Quadzilla99 (talk) 14:41, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I note what you say about "Castles of Wales" as being self-published. The author has obviously taken much time and effort in researching the castles but he cites no references and the information may not be correct I suppose. I've done some more to http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=User:Cwmhiraeth/Cefn_Golau Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Its actually kind of weird in the sense that even if a site is accurate and you know it is, it doesn't matter until an established independent source says that it is. I used this site:[6] on some basketball articles and I know for a fact from looking through it a thousand times that its very accurate. Yet when I nominated a basketball page for featured article candidacy, it was questioned and I was lucky to find a source from Sports Illustrated praising the site and saying it had Britannica like accuracy. For instance I wasn't sure myself if this government source on the Cefn Golau I found for you was reliable, so I asked this question. In that instance if you want to use the source its good for dates and statistics but the "this site is one of the most evocative in the south Wales valleys" comment is unreliable, since the site is from the country and they have incentive to promote tourism. Quadzilla99 (talk) 05:58, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I can see that I have a lot to learn. I would not have used the phrase "this site is one of the most evocative in the south Wales valleys" as it is opinion. However I have expanded the Cefn Golau article with some of the material contained in the Blaenau Gwent source you found. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

  1. ^ Castles of Wales