User talk:Forseti

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Angela 07:45, Nov 6, 2003 (UTC)


Hi, I'm sorry if I listed Akashic Brotherhood or Celestial Chorus as copyvios. My intention was to list only articles which were copyvios posted by a particular anonymous user, so I was looking at the edit history for that IP address. Perhaps he or she edited your articles and I accidentally caught them that way - I admit that after the first 10 or so I was no longer actually doing a google search each time to find the original text.

By the way, I've noticed that you linked to Tradition from your text, which isn't what you want. You might like to know that Mage: The Ascension links to Traditions (Mage: The Ascension) instead - you can do this using the wikitext [[Traditions (Mage: The Ascension)|Tradition]]. However, that article doesn't exist yet: these things always seem to create more work the longer you look at them! ~~~~

I'll rework it in spare time, but now I'm concentrated more on Werewolf: The Apocalypse Forseti 11:17, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Before you edit any of Polish-German-related articles, could you be so kind as to take a look at the discussion page? At times automatic edition might destroy a hard-worked compromise...(Expulsion of Germans after World War II)Halibutt 16:40, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It wasn't automatic - see Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II on my arguments Forseti 11:16, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Poland's betrayal by the Western Allies please vote to keep it. Cautious 20:51, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Done, but please provide some outline how could it be expanded at its Talk page. Forseti 08:52, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Forseti, nice idea, but i bet such article will be source of endless revert wars. But the idea itself is nice :) Szopen
Adam Carr and others, must have an idea, what Poles think about their beloved leaders. I do not require them to agree, but bitter awareness is the part of the process of including Polish historical awareness into main stream of historical awareness. Cautious 18:28, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Marcin

Re: 'Poland's betrayal...' etc. No panic or insult intended. Poles have excellent brains of their own. What I wrote was the end of a process where I was trying to persuade Cautious to talk about arriving at an acceptable form of words. See you around. DJ Clayworth 14:17, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

OK, I know, just've been kidding in the morning ;) -- Forseti 14:27, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

No email from you, sorry. Cautious 18:28, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm, did you provided correct adress in preferences? Anyway, my GG is 7000398, give me a clue how to contact you.

I don't use IRC.Halibutt 16:51, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Hello, Forseti,

I think you might like to combine Soviet ethnic cleansing of East Prussia with Prussian people. You seem to have the neutrality needed, especially since you come from Poland. However, it seems Cautious automatically deletes entire postings which he/she disagrees with.

Just an idea. :-)

Sincerely,
--Wighson 04:04, 2004 Apr 6 (UTC)

== Germans not only as the first victims of the Nazis,
but as the last victims of THEIR victims ==

What I didn't write on the Expulsion-talk page:

It would be stupid of me to try to claim that I do not defend German interests, but that is however almost my claim! To make a very brief personal detour, I have spent almost half of my life abroad, and I would agree that I've tried to improve the justificably bad image of Germans in France, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden and to lesser degree in the US. But one of the chief effects on me (contrary to many other ex-pats) is that I believe to have become less of a patriot. Although I'm not always in the position to argue authoritatively and effectively, I have again and again found myself in the position of trying to put reason to nationalist prejudices: against Muslims (and Germans) in France, against Somalis in Denmark and Finland, against Finns and Muslims in Sweden, and against Poles and "Turks" in Berlin.
So, when you directly or indirectly tell me that my chief motivation should be to restore the reputation of the Germans, ...well, maybe you really factually are right — but emotionally, all of my soul revolts against such an "accusation" :->
(With regard to User:Gdansk, I don't wish to make a list, but be convinced that plenty of pro-Polish (and fewer pro-Czech) editors could be mentioned as more moderate followers. It is NOT a matter of one single person, but of a tendency in Polish world view which I also have personal RL experience of.)

Nico and Space Cadet are, quite simply (in my view), exponents or agents for existing views in Europe, and with the expansion of EU approaching it's more important than ever to communicate rather than continue World War II with other means.

I am convinced that you don't have to think long to put yourself in the position of the Germans. Similarly to how the Cold War influenced the Poles, also in the both Germanys there existed plenty of subjects which couldn't be discussed publicly, unless you were to be labled as a political extremist.

The horror stories connected to the post-war "population transfer" belonged to these topics. I remember from family reunion parties in the 1990s how still then, the old aunts only when they had become quite intoxicated dared to start wisper over their memories from 1945-48-56. My own great aunt, who is the relative I emotionally feel closest attached to, has staunchly refused to answer any question or speak more than single short sentences on the evacuation from Wroclaw or how she ended up in Berlin before 1956.

...so, the lift of the unspoken ban against public mentioning of atrocities (particularly them commited by civilians, by neighbours) in Poland and Czechoslovakia has filled a great vacuum, not the least for the younger generations, and it represents a need to see our grand-parents not only as perpetrators (which was hard to embrace) but also as victims. Most of all, it illustrates the thesis that Germans are not per se more evil (or at least not much more evil) than other peoples, which the recent tragedies in ex-Yugoslavia and Rwanda also have expressed.

I do (of course!) not advocate making Wikipedia to a vehicle for these feelings, but I ask for some understanding, which might (or might not) make it easier to relate to the excesses. Also if we leve Nico aside, I think some other pro-German contributors are suffering from sever need to rehabilitate the Germans by emphasizing atrocities done by others.

--Ruhrjung 11:01, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Ruhrjung, sorry for not answering. I've read it and appreciate your stance but I'm nearly out-of-net now and unable to engage in extended writing.
Forseti 10:35, 8 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I was quite suprised by your name, Forseti = President in icelandic, is this a coincidence? --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 22:14, 2004 May 7 (UTC)

I was quite surprised that office of Icelandic president is named after a Norse god of justice :) But it has upsides too - I can always forward annoying trolls to [email protected] ;>
Seriously, I've taken this nick after Forseti son of Baldr, god of justice and divine arbiter. It is a kind of personal reminder for me and should not be taken as sign of megalomania or something, however :)
Forseti 10:35, 8 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]