User talk:Kinu/Archive 7

I created a new article I want you to look at it and tell me how to make it better please. Here is the link Temple Christian School. Parker1297 (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I would respectfully suggest that you retract the CSD removal. GLLP does not have notability - who it is recognized by does not confer notability per "notability not conferred by relationship". There are hundreds, if not thousands, of Grand Lodges in the world. Many of them are recognized by UGLE, and many are not. UGLE does not dictate what any other Grand Lodge can do, so recognition by UGLE confers nothing in the way of notability because the deicision is binding on no other Grand Lodge in the world besides UGLE itself. MSJapan (talk) 03:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

• Hi there... I appreciate your comment. However, the threshold for speedy deletion is an "assertion" of notability, which the article has. Whether the subject is actually notable is another story, one which I cannot (and rightfully should not) determine unilaterally, especially considering my unfamiliarity with the topic. I would recommend using the deletion process to help achieve a consensus as to the notability of the GLLP. If you have any questions or would like any assistance in nominating the article for (non-speedy) deletion, please let me know. Thanks! --Kinu ^t/_c 03:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

can you please restore the page i was working on for grammy award winning record producer Mark Howard. i understand there was a paragraph that was copied from his myspace page but i am willing to delete it although i have full permission from him to use that. noone gave me a chance to put that in writing and it was deleted straight away. please restore my page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charliedylan (talk • contribs) 02:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• At your request, I have restored the article. However, I have removed the copyrighted content. This is because, well, the only thing that says the content is permitted for use on Wikipedia is your word, which doesn't work and creates all sorts of issues. I recommended adding to the article using neutral, third-party sources to indicate why the subject is notable. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

We need certification on the RFC for Stilltim. Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Stilltim Gigs (talk) 04:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• I've added my endorsement. Thank you for taking it upon yourself to create this. I hope that some sort of consensus is reached in this matter soon! --Kinu ^t/_c 21:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello,

We put up a article called Montyne, and i got a notice saying it was in copyright infringement. So I did what the notice said and put on the article talk page, That we own all the copyright to the article and thet we have a copy of all the infomation on our web site at www.montyne.com/about. But still our page has been removed and we would like resolve the issue.

Thanks You.

Sterling M. Evans

Tech Support for Montyne Inc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montyne (talk • contribs) 04:58, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• The website in question indicates a copyright. At the moment, the only information we have regarding a copyright release is your word, which cannot be truly verified (after all, anyone could have created a user with the name "Montyne" and claimed to be the owner of the information, right?). In order to release the content for use on Wikipedia, an appropriate entity (webmaster of the aforementioned website, etc.) should peruse Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials and act accordingly; for example, a notice could be posted on the website indicating that the content is released with a GFDL-compatible copyleft notice. This would allow the content to be reused herein. That notwithstanding, I am concerned about the conflict of interest issue here; however, that was not grounds for speedy deletion and would be looked at more closely at a later date. I hope this information helps. --Kinu ^t/_c 03:49, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello,

You told me that if i put a License Tag on the web site, I put "The text of this page is available for modification and reuse under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 and later and under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribute Share-Alike." on the page. So can you put the montyne page back up, Or is there some thing els i need to do?

Thank You

Sterling M. Evans

Tech Support for Montyne —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montyne (talk • contribs) 05:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• I see the GFDL release notice at the site, which removes the copyright issue. However, I still have concerns about the inherent conflict of interest and lack of other sources in the article. You are welcome to recreate the article, but I would be hesitant to simply copy the contents of that page into the article. I would recommend creating a coherent encyclopedic article that is also based on third-party reliable sources. Please also read WP:BIO to determine what characteristics about the individual should be noted to indicate that the article should be included in Wikipedia. Thanks! --Kinu ^t/_c 03:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok So if we Rewrite it and Include all of our refaces and I have Checked the WP-BIO and there are a few sections that the individual falls into, And if we resubmitted it there will be no more Deleting?

Thank You!!

Sterling M. Evans —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montyne (talk • contribs) 03:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• That would definitely be a good first step. A sourced encyclopedic article indicating why the subject is notable would definitely be considered for inclusion herein. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Why was the Ted Russell Kamp page I created deleted?

I am Ted's webmaster, and Ted asked me to create the page for him. He supplied the text, and the words he wanted to appear as links.

What happened?

Bermuda Schwartz Bermuda Schwartz Web Design The "Weird Al" Yankovic Band

Bermudaschwartz (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• The content of the article was directly lifted from the subject's Myspace page. This violates Wikipedia's copyright policy. If the subject of the article is notable, a properly sourced article would be welcome. However, I am concerned about the conflict of interest you have indicated in your message. If an article is neutral and factual, that should not be a problem; however, I would be cautious in creating such an article in the future. Thanks for your message. --Kinu ^t/_c 03:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi

i wanted to ask why the page on E-lab has been deleted, it was a page explain what the E-lab research group was, similart to for examle http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Performance_Analysis_of_Telecommunication_Systems

Regards

Maarten Weyn Maartenweyn (talk) 22:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

• As written, the article contained no assertion as to why the subject is notable. Please review the general notability guidelines; you are welcome to recreate the article with sourced information from neutral third-parties if you believe the subject meets the notability guidelines. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 03:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Community:

The following entry (http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Army_Staff_Sergeant_Richard_S._Eaton_Jr) on US Army Counterintelligence Special Agent Richard S. Eaton should not be considered subject to the “speedy deletion” criteria articulated by the Wiki community: 1) There is no copyright violation – all sources are footnoted. 2) There are no inflammatory language, ideas, or thoughts and no redirects. 3) The entry does not advertise a service or group. 4) There is no content forking as this is a factual (verified with press and third party sources) entry. 5) The entry had mainstream, internationally reliable sources including the Associated Press. 6) Verification of sources can be found be investigating the embedded links. 7) The entry meets the relevance standard because of Mr. Eaton’s record of service, his combat related death as it speaks to the increasing strain on US military forces conducting repeat tours – see OPSTEMPO 8) The entry doesn’t breach the policy on living person bios as Mr. Eaton is deceased 9) The entry is not redundant as this is the first mention of Mr. Eaton 10) The entry is not over categorized as I am not even sure I know how to categorize it 11) The images used are all from open source venues with appropriate hyperlinks or from internal Wiki sources 12) The entry does not violate and is not contrary to the established separate policy for that namespace since it didn’t exist before I created it 13) All content on the page is verified, cited, and sourced. In turn, it doesn’t violate content for suitability.

Please let me know if there is anything I can do to further refine and ensure compliance with Wiki standards. I believe this entry is worthy of Wiki and I have added only factual information. Please let me know if you there is anything that needs to be changed.

Regards, Tim

Thank you for your reply. I understand your point. However, from a historical and military history perspective, I think you should be aware that the Richard Eaton is the son of Brigadier General Richard J. Eaton.

“He was twice assigned to the Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He was Brigade Commander in the 3d Infantry Division in Germany and V Corps Chief of Staff. His awards include: Distinguished Service Medal, 3 Silver Stars, 2 Legions of Merit, 2 Distinguished Flying Crosses, Soldiers Medal, 4 Bronze Stars with V, 6 Purple Hearts, 5 Air Medals, 2 Army Commendation Medals with V, and numerous other U.S. and foreign awards. He holds 3 Combat Infantry Badges, Master Parachute Badge with Combat Jump Star, 13 Bronze Stars (campaigns), and Bronze Arrowhead (invasion). Brigadier General Richard J. Eaton is a true Patriot. Throughout his entire career, Ranger Eaton Led the Way by his personal example.” Source: https://www.benning.army.mil/rtb/Hall_of_Fame/HallofFame6/brigadier_general_eaton.htm

As such the historical parallel makes the entry pertinent to the study of both history and military history.

Best, Tim

TC1234 8923 (talk) 02:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Staff Sergeant Richard S. EatonJr

Kinu:

I continue to act in good faith but you have failed to respond to me. I notice you have recently added the following to the page in question –“G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page: Accidental recreation while tagging”.

What am I to make of this development?

Best, Tim

TC1234 8923 (talk) 04:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Hm... it looks like my response to your original comment never committed. My apologies. Anyway... as for the article in question, please note that Wikipedia is not a memorial, and the article read like an obituary. Likewise, there was no indication that the subject of the article met any of Wikipedia's notability guideline. Being a member of the military who is killed in action is not an assertion of notability; please see WP:BIO for what would constitute one. I stand by my speedy deletion, and ndeed, the second time the article was posted, it was speedily deleted by another administrator for the same reason, and I endorse that as well. (By the way, the G7 deletion that you mention above was because another editor accidentally recreated the article with just a deletion template after it had been deleted the second time... a housekeeping action and not related to the content you posted.) --Kinu ^t/_c 05:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

1) Fan Site: This terminology is used to “imply that a selection of content is of importance only to a small population of enthusiastic”. The entry in question does not meet this criterion in the least. This entry is intended to serve as an example of the consequences and implications of a stressed military. Please refer to the US Department of Defense for clarification on OPTEMPO: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=42131 or the Wiki post: http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Fort_Bragg,_North_Carolina 2) Peacock Terms: This term references “an article without imparting real information”. This is neither accurate of fair. The entry in question specifically addressed Mr. Eaton’s death while serving in the military. Given the immediate nature of the designation for “speedy deletion”, the authors were unable to build out the page to include extenuating and exacerbating issues of magnitude. Additional time for the pages construction should warrant the development of its informational content. In addition, the definition of “peacock” includes the inclusion of “unqualified opinion”. There is no basis for this claim. The entry references the Associated Press and countless other internationally renowned media outlets (please note all sentences in the entry are cited). The US Department of Defense, the US Army, the 323 Military Intelligence Battalion of the US Army, the Governor of the State of Connecticut, the Attorney General of the State of Connecticut, two Connecticut State Senators and numerous Connecticut State Representatives have lent their names, opinions, and representations to the comments they expressed publicly. Assertions that these and other active military personal qualify as somehow being “unqualified” seems less then sincere. 3) Personal Essay: The entry in question is fact based and includes citations for more than 90% of the sentences. To claim that there is “editorial license” is not only inaccurate it is not true. Please see the entry as you will no doubt agree it is aggressively cited. 4) Confusing or Unclear: The entry in question is sourced by unbiased, independent, 3rd party sources. The claim the entry is either confusing or unclear doesn’t stand to reason. 5) Links to Other Articles: The entry has a source for 90% of the sentences. It is inconceivable a claim that the entry is undocumented has merit. 6) Copy Editing: The entry has no spelling, grammar, or syntax errors. Please review as this objection fails to hold water. 7) Wikified: This entry complies in both the letter and spirit of Wiki’s quality standards. Please feel free to point out any deficiencies. 8) Cleanup: Again, this entry is gramatically, spelling, and syntax compliant. It follows quality standards in terms of content and narrative voice to the letter of law. 9) Based on the historical and military historical relevance of Mr. Eaton and Mr. Eaton’ father there is clearly a strong and compelling basis for inclusion.

Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions.

Best, Tim TC1234 8923 (talk) 05:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not certain what you're quoting/responding to here... but the relevant link here is WP:BIO, which outlines the notability guidelines for individuals. I'm not certain what else I can say on this matter. A first step for an article would be to make that assertion of notability, and as I did not see anything indicating an assertion in that regard, I endorsed the speedy deletion. (Also, there is no need to create a new section each time you post here; please post below my responses to keep the comments threaded. Thanks.) --Kinu ^t/_c 05:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Kinu:

I realize Wikipedia is not a memorial but please, sir, be cognizant of your audience when speaking so bluntly on such an acutely impactful subject matter. Sensitivity and respect would be appreciated whether or not you agree with the entry or cause.

To your point, how can the entry be reformatted to better fit Wiki requirements?

Best, Tim —Preceding unsigned comment added by TC1234 8923 (talk • contribs) 05:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• The key would be to review the notability guidelines mentioned at WP:BIO indicating why the subject is notable. To that end, I certainly hope you don't take my objective assessment of the article as insensitivity... however, that is sometimes necessary when working within the consensus of what constitutes "notability" in the scope of this encyclopedia, and being killed in action is, I'm afraid, not that threshold. However, if and only if that assertion can be made, then making sure that everything is properly referenced and rewriting the article to sound more encyclopedic would be necessary. --Kinu ^t/_c 00:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi i added a page re: Virtu-Market, it is a new phrase i invented, how do I get it accepted on wikipedia. There are no references as it is a new term.

--Salmon1960 (talk) 04:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is not a place to publish an idea or term you just invented. See WP:NOT. --Kinu ^t/_c 04:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi my Epic Bail indoor cricket team was deleted. The atricle was created by me for my fellow team mates so they can view the teams performance ect during the year and wikipedia is the only site we have access to at work. Can this please be re created as it is not a joke.

• Wikipedia is not a free web host. See WP:NOT. --Kinu ^t/_c 04:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

It is not about hosting it is an legitimate article that I created to provide not only my work mates but also other players about the team, it is for information reasons... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tja2287 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• This is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. In order for something to have an article on Wikipedia, it must be WP:N. I'm afraid that your indoor cricket team is not considered a notable sports organization. I hope this helps. --Kinu ^t/_c 04:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

so there is no way we can actually have this on there when 300+ work colleagues would have been sent this article to view? Please also note this team is a registered team of the ICA (http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Indoor_Cricket_Australia) and feel as such the team should be able to post results from a nationally recognized organisation —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tja2287 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• I'm afraid not... sorry. I would consider using another webhost. And the organization you mention does not have an article of its own; perhaps if it did then a mention (or more) may be appropriate, but in that case the purpose would be to post relevant, sourced information and not be a space for members of the team to interact with one another, post results, etc. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

It does indeed have an article of its own I gave you a link to it I have given you the Indoor Cricket Australia link. I am more than happy to menion this in my article as I did not previously and provide a link to the wiki Indoor Cricket Australia page on there also??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tja2287 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

• The link you provided redirects to the general article on Indoor cricket. The Australian body does not have an article of its own. That notwithstanding, please read the concerns I have mentioned above about the article you wish to create. (Also, there is no need to create a new section each time you post here; please post below my responses to keep the comments threaded. Thanks.) --Kinu ^t/_c 05:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

If United States Champion Jockey by wins is an "R3: Recently-created, implausible redirect" then why do so many thing link to it? --Carlaude ^talk 13:05, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

• Apparently the article is meant to exist about this topic, but for whatever reason it has never existed. It was then created recently as a link to Eclipse Award for Outstanding Jockey, which is unrelated and was therefore tagged for deletion. Indeed, commentary with the deletion notice said this was a "[r]edirect but to wrong article. If and when created, this would be a stand-alone article." --Kinu ^t/_c 00:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey Kinu, I see you're busy--just to add to it, could you have a look at Donald E. Williams, Jr.? There's a series of edits removing sourced content, containing some negative notes on the subject. Moreover, I think there's an editor with a dual identity at work there, as the history will show soon enough. Nice doggie, BTW! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

• No problem... thanks for letting me know. I've temporarily protected the article while I investigate. I'll let you know what arises from my sleuthing. :P --Kinu ^t/_c 04:30, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
• I've gone ahead and blocked both users for sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry. It looks pretty blatant based on the fact that these edits are their only contributions and one of the accounts was created today, apparently specifically for this purpose. I figure I'll lift the protection and see what happens... --Kinu ^t/_c 04:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I really appreciate the quick action. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 04:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Would you be interested in joining this project? We need more editors who share a burden for rescuing promising editors who have gotten into serious trouble because of behavioral issues. IF (a fundamental condition!) they are interested in reforming and adapting to our standards of conduct, and are also willing to abide by our policies and guidelines, rather than constantly subverting them, we can offer to help them return to Wikipedia as constructive editors. Right now many if not most users who have been banned are still active here, but they are here as socks or anonymous IPs who may or may not be constructive. We should offer them a proper way to return. If you think this is a good idea, please join us. Abce2|AccessDenied 04:32, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering if you can give me an explanation of how you happened to delete the article on Consult and Liaison Psychiatry.

--InnocentsAbroad2 (talk) 05:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

• The article was tagged for speedy deletion because it was a redirect to Psychosomatic Medicine, which itself does not exist. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The article "Psychosomatic medicine" doesn't exist ? --InnocentsAbroad2 (talk) 06:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

• It does.... but notice the different capitalization. I figure you meant to create the article as a redirect to the existent one, which makes sense now. --Kinu ^t/_c 12:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't wanna. It's fun. Appleton 01:00, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

• Well, seeing as how you can't play by the rules, goodbye. Account blocked indefinitely. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi I was just wondering why the Bristol Apache page was deleted? The history and importance of the club to Bristol was added to the page was it because it wans't in depth enough? Other English American Football teams have been allowed that are new. Please can you tell me in depth what wwas wrong with the page so I can improve it. KalemLyco (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• A newly created sports team without any league affiliation doesn't meet notability guidelines. Claiming that it will someday apply to be in the BAFL doesn't count. --Kinu ^t/_c 15:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

OK So once the application for league affiliation is complete (hopefully the next couple of days) would I be able to recreate the page without it being deleted again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KalemLyco (talk • contribs) 21:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• Are there any reliable sources that discuss the club? That's important to know. --Kinu ^t/_c 21:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

At this specific moment in time other than a Facebook group no and I'm aware that, that doesn't count as a reliable source. Until the league application is confirmed and we appear on their website I don't think there will be. I'll hang fire then until The application goes through, we appear on the BAFL website and we gain more sources. KalemLyco (talk) 23:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea how to start a page for a band and I realized that I couldn't start one for my own (sort of a stupid rule? I suppose if I could furnish the sources for it, etc., then that would be legitimate wouldn't it?) - - No, not trying to trouble you, just, how would I get a request submitted for a page on The New Sneaks, a band, (arguably mine) that might be explained by the Wikipedia database? I'm sure there's a way.

• Hi... check out Wikipedia:Requested articles. On that page is a location where you can request an article on the band. Be sure to provide a reason as to why this band is notable; see WP:BAND for what constitutes a claim of notability. Also, be sure to provide references from reliable sources to support this claim of notability. I hope this helps! --Kinu ^t/_c 02:19, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Kinu, I understand that there are lots of rules etc regarding 'speedy deletions' and all wiki users recognize the need to prevent it from becoming too cluttered too quickly. The article which was deleted was only entered yesterday. The person who wrote it was Prof Yang Cai (Carnegie Mellon CyLab senior scientist)who only the week before had hosted an Instinctive Computing workshop here at CMU. Because of certain wiki latency issues the rest of his lab team was unable to upload additional details and links to ongoing research in this area. The workshop featured very senior research scientists from around the world including Prof. Kevin Warwick (Reading University Department Head and featured cover on Wired Magazine), Michael Leyton (Rutgers University Math Department Head), David Farber (CMU Emeritus CS Professor) and many others.

So we are wiki-newbies, we know that. Some grad student is going to have to learn the rules. But we just wanted to get the article going so it could be filled out over a few days. That was why what was posted seemed so incomplete. It was. But before we could commence work on improving it you deleted it. Can we have some sort of indulgence here?

• The versions of the article that have been deleted were copied verbatim from the chapter published by Prof. Yang Cai. This constitutes a copyright infringement, which is disallowed on Wikipedia. If an encyclopedic article can be written using reliable sources (i.e., the professor's paper, among others) indicating why the topic of instinctive computing is notable in its field, then the article will have a more greater chance of remaining in the encyclopedia. I hope this information helps. --Kinu ^t/_c 20:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I wanted to create a new article with the title "Tejari", but I could not because the page was created already and now it is deleted by you and protected since May 2008. It is really important to use this title specifically because it really describe my topic, I would really appreciate if you can help me to unprotect it so I will be able to create it again.

Many thanks in advance for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tejari2009 (talk • contribs) 07:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

• Based on the deletion log, this article has appeared to have existed only as copyright violations and/or spam. What content do you intend to place in the article? Based on your username, I fear a possible conflict of interest. Any information would be helpful. --Kinu ^t/_c 20:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Kinu, I'll put information about the companies history sisnce it's inception. I will also, provide some information about it's business model and revenu model. No marketing content will be included at all, the entire article will be objective with real fact-based information.--Tejari2009 (talk) 10:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, I noticed that my username might have caused some troubles, I have changed it as per Wikipedia's suggestion, I think it is now more Wiki-friendly. If you are still concerned about what I would post on this article, I can share it with you before posting it. What do you think? This is my first time I use Wikipedia for editing articles and I'm trying to get mysilf familiar with all the rules. Thank you --MJaradat77 (talk) 05:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

• Hi there. Sorry for the delay in responding, but I have been busy in real life and haven't had much time for Wikipedia. Would you be willing to create a draft article in your user space, such as at User:MJaradat77/Tejari? While I will assume that you have the best intentions, I am still somewhat hesitant to remove the protection without some idea of what the article will contain. Thanks. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

He is significant in the car industry and linked to from other pages, which are now all showing up as deleted entries by some kinu joker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.49.209.157 (talk) 19:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

• The best course of action is to create an article that actually explains his notability using sources. Calling me a "joker" doesn't help your credibility, but a legitimate article might. --Kinu ^t/_c 21:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for handling this. Once I realized it was a hoax I should have just closed it myself and deleted the three articles. I'm tired and I dithered about whether it would look bad for me to close my own AfD no matter how clear it was that it was a G3 speedy. So I punted and left it for someone else. Thanks again. Holler if I can help you on something. Cheers, Pigman☿/talk 05:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• No problem... glad to be of assistance! --Kinu ^t/_c 05:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

excuse me, why did u delete that page, its not a hoax. our hall of zeekiology has more than 25 followers and it continues to grow everday and we have strong belifes in our faith. so why delete a perfectly legimate page?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeekio.shyam (talk • contribs) 05:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• It violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place to promote something you have created. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

hey i've heard of zeekiology apparently it was founded 4000 years ago in asia, if the guy who created the page created zeekiology i'd let him have the page for being so old!

well in that sense isn't even Scientology something that is created??? how comes thats recognized and not our religion.. we have been writing the book of zeekiology for almost 1 yr now and its near its completion., hence i really dont see the problem here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeekio.shyam (talk • contribs) 05:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• Please read the comment/link I posted above as well as WP:WWMPD. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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Armageddon at the Mushroom Village is a production of Tribe of Fools. It is now showing at the 2009 Philadelphia Live Arts Festival and Philly Fringe. Tribe of Fools is a local Philadelphia theater troupe that is bring theater to a new generation. Tribe of Fools is also a 501 (c) (3) Non-Profit organization.

71.175.68.147 (talk) 07:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

• None of the above addresses the concern about notability as derived from reliable sources. I see a few local newspaper mentions, but nothing substantial. I do respect your opinion and will ask for community consensus at WP:AFD. --Kinu ^t/_c 19:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I am sorry 71.175.68.147. I tried. I hope this doesn't stop you from editing again. Message me PLEASE after the discussion, and I will teach you how to userfy the page.Ikip (talk) 03:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Would you considering userfying the articles which you put up for deletion? The will remove it from mainspace completely. The editor is a new editor, and this will give the new user a chance to rework the article and maybe wikipedia will get a new dedicated editor. Please let me know as soon as possible, because as soon as someone else comments on the AfD, they must agree also before I can userfy the article. Thanks for your time.Ikip (talk) 00:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

• Usually, I have no objection to userficiation, provided the creator understands both the rationale behind the original deletion nomination and what would be necessary to bring the articles up to par in terms of the relevant guidelines involved. (I see someone else has commented in the interim, but it is possible that they might agree to this as well.) Thanks for your suggestion. --Kinu ^t/_c 03:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
  • We were to late, I guess the article discussion will have to go the full 7 days, enjoy the discussion :) I appreciate your response. Best wishes in editing. Hope we run into each other again someday. Ikip (talk) 03:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I was actually the admin who went ahead and endorsed the speedy. There's really nothing I saw in terms of a reference to establish any notability, other than "it exists"... it looks like just another fork (it's actually listed at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks). Just wanted to clarify what I did there. :D --Kinu ^t/_c 08:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I appreciate the information. --UnicornTapestry (talk) 08:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

looking at your page you seem to delete pages about things/people you've never heard of. Charlotte Mickleburgh is BRITISH and I created the page well, because she's a person. Known by a lot of people, has her own CD, AND there's a lot of people i've never heard of on Wikipedia pages. I created it to inform people about her and how great she is. There's pages about over 3 billion things on wikipedia. Charlotte is a real person, like you (hopefully). There's a page YOU so why can't there be a page about her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlie1234567899 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• According to the versions of the article I have deleted, she's ostensibly a nine-year-old who self-produced a CD. The article violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy and contains no information about why the subject is notable. Yes, there are articles about people I haven't heard of, but all those meet notability guidelines and contain reliable sources to establish that notability. Also, there is no article about me, it is my user page. I hope this information answers your questions. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 18:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

yeh, thanks um maybe you should go on this website - it talks about her being in a production of GANG SHOW - is that proof? http://todmordengangshow.wordpress.com/

• The link you have provided is not a reliable source (it's a blog) and contains no evidence of notability. Existence is not notability. Please read the policies and guidelines I have linked above. --Kinu ^t/_c 18:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

hi again um - this page on the walsden junior's website has a picture of Hannah Mickleburgh on at the drama club, acting dead: http://www.walsdenjuniorschool.ik.org/p_Drama_Club_Piccies_2008.ikml —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlie1234567899 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• Your point? You seem to have no interest in reading and understanding the policies I have repeatedly mentioned (especially the ones regarding reliable sources and notability). I am also beginning to think, based on your username, that you are the subject of the article you wish to create, which is a conflict of interest. As much as I wish to assume good faith here, I see no purpose in continuing this discussion. Please refrain from introducing inappropriate articles. If you wish to contribute constructively, please start by visiting Wikipedia's five pillars. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 18:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I see you deleted the page I posted about our pipe and drum band. I put it in because we are in a list of pipe and drum bands on wikipedia and most of the other bands have a brief history and contact info. I am sorry you think we were advertizing. We are a nonprofit, usually do not get donations, and just wanted to put in a bit of history and an invite for firefighters in our area to join us if they were motivated as well as a way for people to contact us if they need a band to play for a funeral (again, we do not charge---no profit, just hel;ping keep tradition alive). I would be glad to remove the invite or modify the brief article but think deleting us completely is a bit harsh......no offense intended....

Jimvtjim (talk) 23:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• Hi there... yes, the article seemed self-promotional due to the contact information, etc. While I am wary of recreation of this article (per Wikipedia's guideline on conflict of interest), an article that is objective would be welcome. Please make sure that the article establishes notability of the group based on reliable sources. What I will do is restore the article in your user space (i.e, at User:Jimvtjim/Palm Beach County Firefighters Pipe and Drum Corps) so that you can work on it, get feedback, etc., before moving it to the main encyclopedia. If you have any information, feel free to ask. Thanks! --Kinu ^t/_c 01:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I apoligize for typing a pointless article "James Holland Carmel,IN" and then resubmitting it after it was deleted.

Person44 (talk) 04:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you for your apology. I hope you contribute constructively in the future! --Kinu ^t/_c 06:16, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

User page Kaci Hansen was deleted. This is a person who is a well-known artist, actress, model and musician. There are plenty of news articles and online documentation to back this up. She runs a club and has a dance troupe, and is getting widely recognized nationwide for her efforts. Please restore this page, and use more caution before deleting pages and dubbing them as non-purposeful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladyfrankenstein (talk • contribs) 05:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• This was not a user page, it was an article. No evidence was provided from reliable sources that the subject of the article met notability standards. If these references would have been provided in the article, the article likely would not have been deleted. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I completely understand why you deleted it, coming from a forum where spam has absolutely NO tolerance from any of the moderators, or chatters. But I do have to protest the fact that I have no idea how to use anything here, and if you can help me make it better so that it's not blatant spam or anything of the sort, I would appreciate it very much. I'm a total newbie here, and I registered in yesterday, not even 24 hours ago. So if you can help me write Spider cadence better and maybe give me some tips on writing articles, it would be very appreciated. I have seen the rules and regulations and a few tips on writing articles, but what I've seen hasn't really helped me.

Thanks and all the best, concrete Building —Preceding unsigned comment added by Concrete Building (talk • contribs) 20:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• The article as it was written contained no information as to what the spider cadence actually is... merely multiple external links, particularly to one site at which related sheet music is available for purchase. Assuming the topic is notable, I would encourage creating an article about it using reliable sources. I found you find this information helpful... feel free to let me know if you have anymore questions! --Kinu ^t/_c 06:15, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Scott Eschenbaum is a figure in our fraternity...

the page was not given time to be edited up to your standards... This is an unfair judgment of our House —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.9.207.25 (talk • contribs)

• The subject is clearly not notable. Please read WP:BIO and WP:RS. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

You are quite possibly the worst Admin on this website. I found numerous sources from different web sites and had plenty of factual information to create a page. Please do your job correctly and stop scrutinizing work that you yourself don't like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jploonie007 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• Considering your account was created today, I doubt you have any evidence to support you assertion about my administrative capacity. To wit, seven out of your eight so-called references were Myspace, and the Guinness record you mentioned was unsubstantiable. Please read WP:N and WP:RS if you wish to contribute constructively. WP:NPA might also be a good one. --Kinu ^t/_c 06:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

   * 20:43, 13 September 2009 Kinu (talk | contribs) deleted "Halogen (electronic musician)" ‎ 
   (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)

Does this page gain significance by adding information regarding this artist's recent composition for a forthcoming Chapman Brothers documentary? (Jake and Dinos Chapman) Or does the article need to contain links and external reference/citation to be considered important? Anna1980 (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• Reliable sources are a necessity for the inclusion of an article. --Kinu ^t/_c 00:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I hadn't even looked at the Talk page. It looks like a large web of people commenting on each other's edits, though so far, this is the only one that looks problematic, but I haven't looked at every editor's edits. I've left a mention on the ANI page. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 02:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• There appears to be another article at WVUp All Night. I wouldn't call it WVU cruft, per se, since it appears to be in good faith, but the lack of notability is an issue. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:46, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

So why did you delete the page for Guap Records? It is no differant than any well known Indie on here like Lex records and more. They are a regional power in southern California with hundreds of thousands of followers. They also have affiliations with major labels and are close to a distribution deal. How are they not relevant? They are a part of the fabric of the underground hip hop scene. Sojaboy06 (talk) 06:53, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• The article contained no assertion of notability that was substantiated by reliable sources. --Kinu ^t/_c 15:44, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I didnt know how to properly format it. Please restore the page and simply Google Guap Records and you will get plenty of reliable 3rd party validation that Guap Records is relevant enough in its field to warrant its own Wiki page. Even if your not a Hip Hop fan you will see it. Simply Google! Please restore. Please.

• As the one with the interest in the creation of the article, the onus is on you to find the reliable sources. As written the article also looked like spam and I see no merit in restoring the text. A properly sourced article from a neutral point of view would be acceptable. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 18:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Why was my page deleted after I had changed it to a neutral view? Also the site I supposedly copyright infringed actually copyright infringed my Grandfathers offical site so???Bazatt (talk) 16:05, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• I endorsed the speedy deletion because the article was advertising for a business (indeed, yours/your family's) for which no notability was established. Please read WP:N, WP:COI, and WP:SPAM. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 22:27, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I have added a few more links. I do think that he clearly meets the criteria you linked to. He does have 1 and 4 under creative people.Gloern (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for your note. Let's wait and see what the community consensus at the deletion discussion says. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi. As it seems, You have deleted my biography because it seemed to be a copyrighted text from kotorart festival page..however, as most musicians, i wrote that CV myself and sent it to Kotorart, as to all other festivals, promotors etc. that required from me a CV to be issued in their publications or web pages. Please, could You direct me what to do to avoid deleting again? Rewrite it in a version that hasn't previously appeared on the web? thanks, Tomislav FaciniTomislav fačini (talk) 08:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

• The copyright problem is actually only a secondary issue... Wikipedia is also not an appropriate forum for posting one's resume, as it is considered self-promotion. --Kinu ^t/_c 16:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

The Title says everything. kirsty was listed on the celberity of Wythenshawe. and it was removed. yet Kirsty Howard remains there yet she is no celb. Google kristy ashotn and you will see she is very well known. she has also got a book which is in process of being published works in radio actoress in HOLLYOAKS

i think she is more famous than kirsty howard. they do the same chairty work! but kristy ASHTON actully does TV RADIO which is what a celb does. please get back to me thank you

• The article contained none of the information you mention above, and was deleted because it contained no assertion of notability. If the person is notable per your claim, then an article that is properly sourced would be welcome. --Kinu ^t/_c 19:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I am still editing this page.. Why have you deleted it so quickly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TKroener (talk • contribs)

• It appears that no one provided an indication on your talk page about the nature of the deletion, so I have added that information there. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey! Thanks for putting a warning on User talk:TKroener. In the future, I ask that if I revert the removal of content, that I can handle the warning. I do appreciate your edits, but I sometimes duplicate warnings accidentally due to this. I appreciate your help :) --Addihockey ^(t/c 02:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

• Hi, I actually added the notice because the article was already deleted once after being tagged for a speedy, and the editor was never warned about it the first time (per the log at Special:Undelete/KAVI). Turns out the same IP tagged it as a speedy this time around without notifying the editor, so I thought I'd drop in and let him know (per his confusion in the thread above this one). I didn't realize that you were notifying the editor the same time for the removal of the tag as well. :) No worries, I assume. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:44, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I saw you deleted the article under A1, I recreated it then decided to redirect it to Verlaine's article, since it is part of one of his collections (I assume). ceranthor 02:38, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

• Seems reasonable... I also went ahead and fixed the double redirect that was created by the page move to the proper title. I suppose the version with the quotes could be deleted, since I really don't see anyone searching for that, but no harm in it staying. Thanks for the note! --Kinu ^t/_c 02:47, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Dear Kinu,

why you delete my article on Hamed Minhaj. i was in discussion with other admins to provide more info. and i requested it not to be delete till then. i request you to restore it. thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike6565 (talk • contribs)

• The article and its talk page have been restored... however, if it can be edited to avoid speedy deletion, I would suggest doing so as soon as possible. --Kinu ^t/_c 07:01, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello. Could you please give me the reason behind the deletion of Alessandro Cernuschi's page? Yes, I agree this was an article on an individual but no copyrights have been infringed and links to the companies'and NGOs' were about to be added to the article. Thank you

• The article asserted no notability and appeared to be nothing more than an autobiography. Please also look over WP:COI. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 17:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello Kinu, this is an automated message from SDPatrolBot to inform you the PROD template you added to CARE Pest has been removed. It was removed by 207.216.243.126 with the following edit summary '({{hangon}} Although a local company, CARE Pest has been featured in the media - and is gaining widespread attention - for its humane pest control practices. Endorsed by SPCA.)'. Please consider discussing your concerns with 207.216.243.126 before pursuing deletion further yourself. If you still think the article should be deleted after communicating with the 'dePRODer,' you may want to send the article to AfD for community discussion. Thank you, SDPatrolBot (talk) 20:13, 21 September 2009 (UTC) (Learn how to opt out of these messages)

Re the above, and the AfD which you applied; I note that the article's creator has now moved the article from CARE Pest to Care Pest & Wildlife Control. I'm hoping to learn something here, which is why I've held off moving it back... my administrative experience isn't sufficient to tell me how to restore the page with its entire history, which is what I think is required. My instinct is to move the page back to its original location by restoring a version with the AfD message intact (which this user has also removed), then SALT the new page and protect the original page from being moved... but (a) I think it's considered important to retain the history, which I believe I would not do by this process, and (b) I'm not sure of the applicable policy. May I ask that, in connection with any action you take here, you give me some guidance as to what the correct procedure and policy are? I do apologize for causing you extra trouble, but I'm annoyed at myself that I've seen this sort of thing occur before and, because I don't know how to act correctly, I don't act at all... I'd like to know what the right thing to do is so that I can save a more experienced admin like you some trouble in the future. Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer. (Incidentally, I don't think this article has a snowball's chance of surviving and thus the history will be meaningless, but I'd like to know the correct procedure and policy!) Accounting4Taste:talk 18:08, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Yikes... what a pain! I'm feeling particularly lazy right now, so what I will do is simply restore the AfD notice (which still points to the correct discussion) and note that the original author moved the article there. If someone else comes along and fixes the page move, that'd be nice, but not necessary, per se. Thanks for letting me know! --Kinu ^t/_c 19:01, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

No worries, and thanks for letting me know. I'm not especially worried about this particular page, so I think this is a useful and workable solution. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Greetings!

May i know why the "Philippine Telegraph & Telephone Corporation" entry is being deleted?

What's the infringement all about?

You may wanna check this site;

http://ptt.net.ph

Thanks.

Eman Manila, Philippines

• The contents of the article were copied directly from this site, with no assertion of permission. Please see WP:COPYRIGHT for more information. Thank you. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I had a "hangon" tag but you deleted my page anyway. There are plenty of other magazines and blogs listed on Wikipedia. Is the organization really a "cliquy-pedia" offering a resource for an elite group of similar type publications. Do you go by size of the publication or quality of content. If it's the latter, our publication qualifies. We will be mentioned in an upcoming issue of an established American magazine. I wanted to give our readers a point of reference. I would greatly appreciate clarity on what seems like fuzzy of guidelines with respect to publications in Wikipedia and your lack of respecting what I thought would be a fair time frame with the "hangon" tag. Thank you.

Best wishes, Judy Asman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astuterecorder (talk • contribs)

• Please read WP:COI. Your username indicates a conflict of interest with the topic of the article, and it appeared to be advertising. And the guideline Wikipedia goes by is notability as evinced by reliable third-party sources. --Kinu ^t/_c 15:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

What is the deal? My user page is gone too? Please explain. Thank you, best wishes.

Judy Asman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Astuterecorder (talk • contribs)

• See above; this was an inappropriate use of a user page. --Kinu ^t/_c 15:39, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Dr. S.J. Press with all due respect- your comment says that my page was deleted because it was "dependent on a previously deleted page"... this is a catch 22 situation if you are serious. The new page was posted by someone compeletly unrealted to me. This was also one of the reasons the original page was deleted... i.e. because it was written by ME. This one was not. But it appears that despite that th page was NOT written or posted by me, it was deleted with a nother completely flimsy excuse... the new page had verifiable third party references and if someone woud check at http://www.chiroweb.com and search my name, they would not be able to hide behind a complaint that the biography is of someone not notable.... those wer all the reasons given. NOw that all have been answered, it appears the only reason left, is that I am not an MD. I note that I tried to edit the page for the word "Physician" to clarify that it includes DO's (Doctors of Osteopathy), and in many states, DC's as well (in NJ, DC's have been Physicians by law since 1954 pursuant to a Sup. Ct. decission. Someone decided that the official AMA policy, which was declared illegal in 1979 in the US Dist Ct of Il, must be the only definition.... this clarifies the editorial policies regarding my profession which are evidently coloring the decisions to first delete a biography of the Founder of the World Governing Body for Sports Chiropractic, and the man who arranged to bring Chiroprctic to the Olympic teams of the World. .... I can prove all this.... check the www.chiroweb.com references... these are third party published articles in a reputable (though admittedly not peer reviewed) newpaper. (It doesn;t purport to be a scientific journal).

I ask that the my biography, as posted by a third party, which is NOT for "self promotion", as he is not me... be reposted.

Moreover, I am nearly coming to retirement age, and do not need to self promote... that accusation is itself insulting.

68.239.167.176 (talk) 20:05, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• I will research this issue further. I am curious though: if the creator of the article is not you, per your claim, then how did you know the page got created and then deleted? More importantly, since it has been deleted, how would you know what the contents of the article were, considering that would be inaccessible to you? And this other account created the article on the same day after the account User:Drsjpdc was blocked... I find it hard to believe that is a coincidence. Your comments also indicate that you do have a vested interest in the existence of an article about yourself; this is the essence of self-promotion and seems to post hoc justify the deletion. --Kinu ^t/_c 23:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Its true that I pulled up facts from the page http://www.indianmi.org/brief.htm but the data I pulled up was historical in nature. I had removed the excess stuff related to piracy. I dont think pulling data like IMI was founded in 1936 and rechristened in 1994 are copyrighted as they are historical facts. Neither getting the information to wikipedia like it comprises of so and so companies and has offices at such and such place should be looked in to as copyright violation as these are facts in public domain. Just becauase IMI has a page which details it does not make this information copyrighted. Else as you might decide, any wikipedia page featuring a company or a group (which has a copyrighted website) is illegal as the information is copyrighted at the owners site.

Wikipedia:CSD#G12 itself states "Text pages that contain copyrighted material with no credible assertion of public domain, fair use, or a free license, where there is no non-infringing content on the page worth saving. " - and this information is in public domain and not private.

I will like to know your views except that data was pulled from a site. And if I remember correctly, I had not pulled any image from that site.

Also just as a suggestion : Please dont be in such hurry to delete pages which other authors have spent time to create. You can always put a tag suggesting any violation for some time before removing it completely.

Spent a few hours on wikipedia itself on copyright and found an interesting article on Copyright Paranoia

--Sandyiit (talk) 20:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• The article was tagged as a copyright violation of [1]. It doesn't matter whether it was historic in nature, the page says "© The Indian Music Industry. 2005" at the bottom, which means it is most certainly not public domain. This is a cut-and-dry copyright violation. Also, to say you spent time on creating this article is somewhat insulting to my intelligence; it was rather blatantly copied and pasted here, word for word. A legitimate article would be one that uses their site as a source for information, but to copy the content directly is considered infringement per WP:COPYVIO (note that this is a policy, which overrides the essay to which you have linked). --Kinu ^t/_c 23:13, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

• My contention is not the page itself but the data which the page contains is in public domain. For example 'Indian Music Industry was established on 28th Feb 1936 as the Indian Phonographic Industry (IPI), ' which is statement on the page may be term copyrighted by you but if I simply reword it as 'Indian Music Industry was founded on 28th Feb 1936 as the Indian Phonographic Industry (IPI), ' then its should now be free in public domain. Copyright as defined itself is on a "Work" and not a fact. Like if I write 'India gained independance on August 15 1947' , I have all the reason to believe that its a fact although if you google the sentece you will find a lot of copyrighted sites having the same text - But does that make it copyrighted.

The point I am trying to make is Copyright can not be put on facts like founding dates and office but or a 'Creative Work' like a vision statement and so on.

And I pointed to the essay to provide an interpretation to the policy.

Anyway I am rewording the same facts on the page you have deleted (so that somehow the so called copyrighted information magically becomes free now just by rewording it - If we can really do so, all the patents filed would have been void long ago). And its a great irony is that the page I am trying to make is of a organization which fights for copyrights.

--Sandyiit (talk) 18:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC)