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Don't delete an article's neutrality header without discussion. RickK 01:18, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Quite sorry. I'm new here, I'm still figuring out the rules. Leumi
Hello Leumi. Sorry you didn't receive a very warm welcome to Wikipedia. It seems that you are the only one wanting to discuss the Palestinian refugee issue so I have unprotected the page. Hopefully the points you have made will form the basis for further discussion rather than further reverts once you make the changes you suggest. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian. You can sign your name using three tildes, like ~~~. If you use four, you can add a datestamp too. Angela 01:51, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Re the map. I don't see why you don't seem to understand the nature of the complaint the person who is removing it is making. The point is that the cross-section has a vertical exaggeration. As the numbers state, point B is only 3000 ft higher than point A, yet they are 15 miles away - yet the map has been vertically exagerrated to make the gradient look something like 1 in 2. Now, you can go and argue about whether this is valid or interesting, I just thought i'd explain the complaint since you didn't seem to understand it at all. Morwen 21:48, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)
: Thankyou for noting that Morwen. I was slightly confused on that point.Leumi
Thanks for your note. You don't have to thank me for joining in on that article, though. It's provocative stuff and serious business--slander/plagiarism/ Holocaust/Israel-Palestine. I couldn't resist.168... 01:50, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
The page you want is Wikipedia:Conflicts between users. I ask that you move your listing from Vandalism in progress to that page. Cheers, Cyan 01:58, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC) Thankyou, I've decided now to stop responding to 81, except to delete personal attacks on Talk pages, which I am told is within the rules, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong on that score. Leumi
Opinion is... not settled on that question. See Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks. (I'm not sure if you know yet, so I'm going to give you a tip: you can sign your name by writing three tildes (~~~); four tildes adds the timestamp, as in my signature.) Also, I believe you referred to me as a moderator - Wikipedia's hierarchy strives to be as flat as possible, so nothing I write or do is intended to have any special weight. Cheers, Cyan 02:30, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- The thing is is that, since 81 has started constantly attacking me, I've barely had time to do anything else but refute them. It's getting on my nerves. I'm thinking about ignoring him, but it's hard to do when one is being hit with a bombardment of accusations and having almost everything I write be reversed under the claim 'an irgun sympathizer wrote this' or 'removed polemical unsubstantiated claims'. It doesn't matter what proof I provide or sources cited or arguments etc, these attacks and reversions don't stop and carry no actual contributions to anything (case in point being his "wrong as always" comment right above). What would you suggest I do? Leumi 02:37, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Again, I request your help on this. Am I wrong in assuming this qualifies as a personal attack without substance to the actual discussion? Might I also add that those are not the exact words I put on those pages, though I did put something about accusations against Finkelstein which I felt was proper considering the pages involved matters where those accusations helped place things in context. But that's another story. I'm tired of having to deal with this from 81. What would you suggest I do? (Don't answer 81. I will ignore it.) Leumi 02:46, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Maybe best to ignore him. I've sent you an e-mail about it. Angela. 02:49, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Your talk page is considered to be yours to a certain extent (how much is a matter of opinion), and I think you can feel free to remove personal attacks outright from it. On the talk pages of articles, I believe the best course is simply to ignore personal attacks. Cheers, Cyan 02:54, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- You're probably right about ignoring the attacks. I shall stop responding to those, you make a good point. But what about the reversions?
- I hardly ever remove personal attacks which are against me. Sometimes I "factor" out personal attacks someone else makes against a third party.
You can't "mediate" between yourself and another person. Attempts to do so often fan the flames, so to speak. "Don't feed the trolls." --Uncle Ed 14:14, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Another piece of advice: you've been here less than 2 weeks, and are still learning the rules. It would thus probably be wise for you to take a humbler approach toward other contributors, rather than telling them what to do.
I've been here two years, I have a lot of experience smoothing out squabbles and (if I may say) an excellent track record of neutral edits. So, my words might carry a bit more weight than those of a "newbie".
I hope you don't think I'm being overbearing and arrogant :-) --Uncle Ed 14:19, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Not at all. Upon thinking about, I agree with you. I shall endeavour to avoid that mistake and be humbler in the future, thankyou for pointing it out. Leumi 16:59, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Ideally, reversions are not part of the process that creates a balanced article. Ideally, if one has a problem with another contributor about the content of the article, all of the action takes place on the talk page until a compromise is reached. Sadly, we don't live in an ideal world. (There are those who favor reversion, but this creates a lot of disturbance; see Wikipedia:Conflicts between users/Wik. -- Cyan 17:22, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
About Anonymous Norman Finkelstein Fan Person: IP addresses have their own talk pages; you can just go to User talk:195.92.168.177 (or whatever IP address s/he's using) if you have to tell him something that's not directly related to an article. --Mirv
I agree that making personal attacks within the text of an article constitutes vandalism, though the constant reversion-without-discussion of everyone else's edits is iffier. I'll support the first; talk to someone who knows better about the second. --Mirv 00:36, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)