User talk:Mr. Treason/Request for comment

  • As this is an IP user is this even necessary, can't he or she simply be blocked?AndyL 19:20, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I think this whole page is really unnecessary now. I think the IP in question should let bygones be bygones, if everything is as cleared up as he or she purports, and just continue editing. I know I don't have any hard feelings, so neither should he/she. Mike H 00:18, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)

Look, Mike, I've NEVER had any hard feelings and I've been TRYING to get that point across to you from day one. Regardless, whatever I said to try to clear up misconceptions; explain my point of view; explain my reasons for writing stuff which, to you, seemed biased; apologize; what have you, you seemed to become more and more hellbent on escalating this conflict and blowing things out of proportion! Even what you wrote above, about ME needing to "let bygones be bygones" is offensive, as I've been the one trying to do just that from the start. Meanwhile, you're thwarting my every effort to contact Hyacinth about something UNRELATED to what you and I were discussing, even after I offered SEVERAL explanations as to why I was trying to contact him (as if I owed you one). You're filing formal complaints against me, you're getting your friends to ban my cable I.P. address, causing a slew of extra pain-in-the-ass issues for me with AOL. You're purposely exaggerating and lying that I'm HARASSING Hyacinth when all I ever did to him was ask him a simple question (once HE gave me attitude, I gave it to him back, but he seems to have gotten nicer recently and has even offered me helpful information about certain things). At every turn, it was YOU who seemed to want to create a conflict with me, and the last straw was when you and your three friends literally FABRICATED "attack" claims against me in order to create trouble.

I was, and am, fully prepared to take legal action, as what I see is my last option, but I thoroughly do not want to do so. When you're involved in law, you're probably even less likely than others to want to be directly involved in court cases. But, I know my legal rights and was (am) prepared to do what I must if people on the net (anywhere, not just here) insist on victimizing people and breaking other laws just because they feel the net is not under jurisdiction of law (most definitely not true).

OF COURSE I find the whole banning and filing of complaints unnecessary and ridiculous, and would love to get back to my normal Wikipedia activities. But, what am I in a position to do right now save defend myself from ludicrous accusations? It's the four of you who are continuing and creating hostilities where they don't/didn't even exist. "Neutrality" (a prime example of irony if I ever saw one) and Guanaco are two people with whom I'd never exchanged a single word, and all of a sudden they're making libelous accusations against me? If you can't understand why I'd be just a bit pissed at all four of you, regardless of anything that happened involving Missy Elliott, you're really not looking at the situation neutrally.

But, I've said my piece. I hope you don't choose to over-analyze everything I've said respond with something hostile. Why you'd think I WOULDN'T want this situation to end is something I haven't understood from the start. I would, however, like to see an apology from the one who's banned me and an explanation for his actions. Regardless of this whole situation, his overall behavior as a person with banning privileges suggests that he should not have such privileges.68.36.175.254 16:54, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Check the page history. I did not file the complaint against you. In fact, I was asked to and I refused. I merely signed it and said that was how the encounter went. It was how it went. I am really not out to get you. I promise. I think I should make that clear. Mike H 16:56, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)

You're right, my apologies. It seemed that Hyacinth had no problems with me since he told me how to do: "68.36.175.254 05:21, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)". And, because he spoke of himself in the third person, I immediately assumed you must have been the one to create the page, especially since he seemed to be making the same misguided accusation (personal attacks) that you had made. I assumed he had understood the reason why I needed to get into contact with him, but I guess he didn't. IMO, he probably referred to himself in the third person when filing the "attack" charge in order to make you look like the one who was doing it. Again, I'm sorry...but once again I'm in the position where it doesn't really matter what you or I think of this situation. If the other four are hellbent on having me banned from Wikipedia, I'm going to have to do whatever I have to do to defend myself. I see that Guanaco hasn't reinstated my banning, whic suggests that he at least knows what he did was wrong. For the time being, I'm able to defend myself through this site, fortunately, but the other four of them don't seem to have answers to any of my questions. Instead, they blank out whatever they don't agree with. Interesting...68.36.175.254 05:21, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I wrote in the third person as indicated by the instructions and previous examples from "Wikipedia:Requests for comment", "To list a user conduct dispute, please create a subpage using the following sample listing as a template (anything within {...} are notes):
  • /Example user - Allegations: {one or two short sentences giving the dry facts; do not sign entry.}" (bolding mine, italics in original)
I definitely have problems with your behaviour, especially towards me, thus my request for a comment. I have not "blanked" any of your messages on talk pages. If, by your "blanked" "questions" you mean your postings on pages and spaces not intended for discussion, which may have been removed by other editors or administrators, by all means feel free to re-enter any text you feel was blanked in the appropriate places in a polite manner.
Hyacinth 06:07, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

FIRST OFF, I don't have to be "polite" to ANYONE who is going out of their way to ruin my reputation (GOOD THING all I've got is an I.P. address--what fucking sane person would want their real-name known by a bunch of sociopaths like you and your friends?), file fraudulent charges against me (when *I* should be the one filing against YOU, but I've thus far been kind enough not to press anything, at Wikipedia or otherwise), and try to get me removed from this site, after I've likely been here longer and contributed more than ANY of you upstarts. You've been here three months?! WOW!! I've been here since February-ish of LAST YEAR! I never ran into any serious problems with ANYONE here in all that time, until I came across you! So, tell me, WHO'S the one with the issues--me or you?

Secondly, I post my questions in response to whatever the closest loon is claiming about me! Fuck that having to go to a different page--I DON'T follow your self-imposed rules! I communicate on these pages as if I'm responding to an email or a newsgroup post. This way, you can't claim to have not seen my comments. Still, you somehow TRY to do that. It ain't working!

If you wouldn't mind posting all questions which you have posed to me and I have left unanswered here, I will answer presently (for others, I consider a week a timely response online).
Hyacinth 06:07, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

A week? I don't think so. What--are you going to call in your lawyer or something? It's pointless...whoever you might have to defend you, he cannot win. You've got no ground, legal or even Wiki-custom, to stand on whatsoever!

What does it matter how long either of us has been here?
Hyacinth 18:33, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You and your friends, who are racist against Wikipedi members who are identified only by I.P. address, have claimed time and again that I don't know what I'm doing and that I am new here. Mike, who's been here a frigging MONTH, originally lectured me on how I "SHOULD" know MORE about the Wikipedia if I've "REALLY" been here as long as I "CLAIM" to have been. There's something to be said for the fact that I've been writing articles here for EIGHTEEN months, and I've had NO serious problems with anyone until I met you! In all likelihood, I should be the one censoring you five's comments not only because they are lies, but also because I have seniority over you. PERSONALLY, I don't think seniority, knowledge, experience, date of firs contribution, profession, age, point of view, or ANYTHING else should dictate who can control what "can" and "can't" be said and how a person "can" and "can't" go about saying it. To suggest that certain people, such as yourself, Mike, or Guanaco, are somehow "better" than others is nothing more than racism against a certain group of people (in this case, most notably those of us who use I.P. addresses), and racism against ANY people is not something I tolerate!152.163.252.100 19:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I was asking you to give me at least a week to respond before you being to SHOUT that I was ignoring you.
Hyacinth 18:33, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I don't care. Take your time to respond, by all means. Theoretically, my quotes SHOULD remain here, at MY page, indefinitely, as I see fit to keep there here. I'd leave my questions here for months if that's the time it took for them to be answered. I am a patient man. However, patience, here, in a place where dictators feel that have the right to censor others (including, most notably, legitimate arguments which call into question their corrupt policies), is not a virtue. If I wait a week, your hope is that by that point I will have forgotten my questions or have been permanently banned and therfore unable to ask my questions; while at the same time, your abusive friend Guanaco is removing my valid comments and questions, in hopes that I am never able to ask them again and that he will never be forced to give an answer to something that he CAN'T truthfully answer without incriminating himself!152.163.252.100 19:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Once again, I am unable to find questions you posed to me which I left unanswered.
Hyacinth 18:33, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

As am I. I'd assume this was Guanaco's goal. For the time being, it's worked. His multiple attempts at banning me before I'd get the chance to remember the questions, however, have not!152.163.252.100 19:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To use wikipedia one must follow wikipedia policy, which requires you to be polite, and to post messages in the correct places.
Hyacinth 18:33, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

As I had always done until I realized that there are a corrupt lot of people who'd abuse their powers, falsify and exaggerate claims, and single-handedly act to prevent people from exercising their WIKI rights and their legal American rights. Guanaco owes me, and others an apology, and MUST abdicate his position.152.163.252.100 19:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

You could simply check the edit histories (http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=&lang=&q=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/User:68.36.175.254, for instance) of the pages on which you posed questions to me, then repost them on my talk page: User talk:Hyacinth. The detailed edit history, along with the rememberance of your own actions, should make it a breeze for you to find them. I will notice them right away and respond on your talk page. Hyacinth 19:23, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Please stop accusing me of taking actions and actions against you which I have not. Hyacinth 19:23, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)