User talk:Shorne

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–Andre (talk) 17:37, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Good changes to Saddam Hussein. 172 23:30, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Andre and 172. Shorne 23:44, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Do you take me and other people here for complete idiots? Do you think we have not seen these attempts to whitewash articles on Communist topics before? There has been a long history of attempting to rewrite the history of the Khmer Rouge, China, North Korea and related topics here, and they have been resisted at length, and usually successfully. I will continue to revert your edits, which are pure propaganda and garbage. Are we clear? Adam 05:05, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I am not whitewashing anything. It is you who systematically roll back entire sets of changes, even corrections of spelling, without even looking at them, simply because they don't match your own opinions. Readers who want to see what is being discussed here are invited to see the talk page of Khmer Rouge. In the meantime, I am going to report Mr Carr's promise to revert all of my edits. It is obvious that he is just being obstructive, ideological, and impossible. Shorne 05:14, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

To take but the first example: removing the statement "The Khmer Rouge's rule is generally remembered for its violent rule in which at least one million people were killed." is a whitewash. And it's Dr Carr to you. Adam 05:41, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The statement's history has been discussed separately on the talk page for Khmer Rouge. There is no need to repeat the discussion here. Besides, I have already wasted far too much of my time on immature people and their antics today. Shorne 05:50, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

PS: I reported the incident at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Shorne 05:53, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Your holocaust denial and atrocity whitewashing have been reported on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, in response to your whitewashing on Holodomor--Xed 10:52, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Now that I have seen Shorne's truly disgusting edits at Holodomor, I am even more determined that his efforts to wreck articles such as this one must be resisted. Adam 14:13, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This deserves some comments from an outsider in this dispute. The edits made by Shorne that I have seen do not deny a holocaust - and Xed and Adam's comments appear to be unseemly and unnecessary slurs. All Shorne has done is remove figures and statistics from these articles, whilst leaving text that makes it clear that there was a holocaust. It is true that this has the effect of the reader not knowing how large/devasting a holocaust these events were, but it leaves the impression of holocaust.

It strikes me that Shorne's position is not entirely unreasonable. Terrible events like these are often exaggerated and figures tend to be unreliable - and in my opinion figures in an article should be supported by a strong body of research before being included. Jongarrettuk 18:41, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)