Sorry, didn't mean to start an edit war -- I hate those -- but I didn't want you to go to far without further thought. The standard on the English wikipedia is that things should be in English if possible, or an anglicised version. We've previously agreed (I think) to allow French spellings such as "duc" and "comte" (because they are slightly different concepts in France), but the use of the French ordinal, eg 7eme, seems to be taking it a bit far. But perhaps you disagree. We should probably have another debate on the relevant talk page: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles). In fact, I'll go and start it right now. Deb 11:18, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)