User talk:Toby Bartels/2003

If you have a chance, stop by the Wikipedia accessibility meta page. It's related to the issue of alt text for images, as well as other potential problems. It'd be good to have your input! -- Wapcaplet 17:17 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yep, I found it. That's a lot of good work that you have there! And it links to some other quite interesting pages on similar topics. -- Toby Bartels 18:46 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)


Hi, I am a new comer here, and I found u at Queer wikipedians. I am now working mainly on Chinese verision about gay-related articals. And I think you can help me a lot. Hopefully we can be friends! :D --Gboy 04:11 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Actually, I don't know much about queer issues. And I know very little Chinese. But you can certainly ask me questions here; I just don't know how much help I'll be! -- Toby Bartels 06:22 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thank you! I found that there are so little information about gay in Chinese version that I am so shame of it. I am now planning to translate all the gay-related articles from English into Chinese. Gay can do things perfect too (much better sometimes) ! :D I am now looking for some info about crackdown on gay in any countries, I don't know if you have any? Thanks! :D --Gboy 07:54 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Offhand, the only link that I know of that covers the whole world is Age of Consent. This site isn't focussed on gays, but it does cover when gay sex has different legal definitions of consent than straight sex -- including when it's entirely illegal. Other than this, I only know resources focussed on the United States, like Human Rights Campaign. -- Toby Bartels 18:39 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thank you so much! :D --Gboy 02:42 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)


In Talk:Existential quantifier, you seems to imply me that I am wrong to say ∃ is a symbol. Maybe I am wrong (I don't think I am completely wrong) but you at least have to explain to me what it is. I start that article because I wish some experts will come and fix it! wshun 03:43 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I think that it's wrong to focus on the symbol; the links to Existential quantifier (with the exception of E) are really interested in the logical concept of Existential quantification, not in the particular symbols used to denote it. But see my comments on the talk page; the whole area needs a rewrite, and I plan to give it one on Sunday. -- Toby Bartels 04:07 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

It is much better now. Good job, thank you.-- wshun 22:36, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)


I posted this at Wikipedia talk:Sites that use Wikipedia for content but you didn't respond, so I am posting it here:

I've made a few changes to Wikipedia:Copyrights in anticipation of updating our copyright notice on the bottom of the page. I purpose that the new notice read "All text is available under the terms of the GFDL. See Wikipedia:Copyrights for details." Right now the link at the bottom links to a page which redirects to Wikipedia:Copyrights, but being that the GFDL is intimidating to most to read, people are less likely to click on the current link and read the terms of copying.

I would like some feedback before purposing this on the mailing lists. Thanks. (Please post replies to my talk page) MB 18:00, Aug 8, 2003 (UTC)

Mine is similar, but shorter, so it will fit better. ミハエル (MB) 13:57, Aug 9, 2003 (UTC)


Hey, Toby, 'sup? -- Miguel

You've been quite active lately, haven't you? Don't you have anything better to do with your time? -- Toby Bartels 14:26, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

It's called procrastination, Toby. It all started because I had to prepare a lecture here at PI, because of the blackout, and because I figured it can't be that hard to make it to the list of most active wikipedians. -- Miguel

You started working on the Internet because of the blackout? A likely story! ^_^ -- Toby Bartels 22:42, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Because of, not during! :-D -- Miguel


I've just posted the following to Talk:Group (mathematics); you may wish to comment.

I'm wondering whether someone more familiar with this material could revise the beginning of this article. Saying that the concept of "group" is fundamental to modern algebra says nothing about what it is. Admittedly we don't need to go far in the article before we encounter basic definitions, but these will be of no help to a person who has difficulty following these very elementary mathematical expressions. I got here when I tried to deal with the word "Abelian" in Wiktionary. Although it is very easy to deal with the concept of Abelian group once a person knows what a group is, getting from set to group has not been made so obvious. Eclecticology 20:42, 2003 Sep 8 (UTC)

In an item about which a vote is being conducted, I've posted a vote and am personally offended by the item. This comment is anonymous for privacy reasons. -- anon

Thank you, this is very helpful. (Incidentally, you were logged in when you wrote that!) -- Toby Bartels 02:57, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)