Did you access to the page about "L'étrange Madame X" ? Ericd 23:32 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)
Some of these people have no clue how to check the article's history Zoe, nor what wikified means. Good luck ;) BF
Oh Great Godess, controller of heaven, the earth and Wikipedia. What kind of moronic, idiotic, stupidity did you use to remove the name of the portrait of Amedeo Modigliani. Is this kind of ignorance part of the "Wikipedia Consensus" that you ONLY do because they tell you to? Don't think so. As I already said, you are going around screwing up articles posted by people who know what they are talking about. I repeat: Please stop. What you in fact did to Modigliani, and others I suspect, is in fact vandalism !...DW ESQ cc: Jimbo whoever
I have no idea what you're babbling about, DW. The caption under the picture is still there, is that what you're raving about? -- Zoe
What is it about Wiki that, as well as attracting committed capable people, also seems to draw the likes of DW? Ignore his abuse. The other 99.9% of Wiki users know you do a damn good job. It is a pity that we might have to ban DW; he does some good work. But even Jimbo seems to have had enough of this pompous, self-important cretin. We should open a special page: 'Today's ludicrous insults from DW' but it might exceed the browser limit too quickly. Keep up the good work. JTD 04:51 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
Keep an eye out. At 5.06 GMT DW inserted the word 'British' into the opening of the article on George Washington, claiming he was following your lead in inserting country of origin. (I've removed it.) Hopefully it was just a once-off bit of childishness. He has too much ability to waste it vandalising articles out of spite. I've put a warning on the List just to be on the safe side so people can keep an eye out in case he tries this stunt again anywhere else. What is it about Wiki that it seems to bring out the worst in some people? JTD 05:44 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
Yes. I'm now aware that I have one of the "bad browsers". I usually will not touch anything that looks too large. But usually it lets me edit them and only then truncates. You could be right then that it was the user before me. Spooked me out. Thanks. Arthur
Zoe, would you please have a look at my suggestion for a naming scheme at Talk:Mormon (Mormon's record), and comment if I've made a bad suggestion? I seems reasonable to me, and I looked atNaming conventions, but i'm kind of ineperienced a wikipedia conventions. We probably also need strict feedback from a few Mormons on this. Thanks. Arthur 01:17 Jan 29, 2003 (UTC)
I wish to apoligize for teasing you. As I would like to add some information on Salim I al Sabah, Kabbar, Abdul Aziz ibn Abdul Rahman ibn Saud, Najd, Faisal I, Political Titles of the Ottoman Empire, Warba, Abdulla II al Sabah, the First Kuwaiti Crisis, Abdullah ibn Hussein, Mashian, Failakah, Auhah, al Khalifa, al Jalahima, al Sabah, Abdul Karim Qasim, Jaber III al Ahmad al Sabah, Muhammad I al Sabah, the Second Kuwaiti Crisis, Zaki Arsuzi, Salah al Din Bitar, Ghazi ibn Faisal, Bakr Sidqi, Abdullah II al Sabah, Ahmad al Sabah, Abdul Ilah, and Percy Cox, as well as (obviously) the Anglo-Iraqi Treaty of October 1922, the Turkish Petroleum Company, the Basra-Baghdad Highway, the Berlin-Baghdad Railroad, and the Abudllah Khor Waterway, Nuri al Said, Abdulla III al Sabah, Aramco, the Kuwait Oil Company, and the Anglo-Kuwaiti Treaty of 1899; I would like to inquire as to what objections you might have to my doing so? Vera Cruz
Why did you erase the link to Texas on Laurel Clark?
Why did you erase the link to Texas on William C. McCool?
I haven't even looked at the Laurel Clark article, so it wasn't me. I changed Lubbock, Texas to Lubbock, Texas because that's the appropriate link. Please leave a name next time. -- Zoe
Ok...why is that the appropriate link? Lubbock, Texas is far more useful to the user Vera Cruz
Sorry for ranting at you, Zoe. I'm just in a bad mood, I think. Probably exacerbated by lack of sleep. I really don't know why I'm still up - it's gone 04:00 over here...! Hope I haven't risen too far up your list of evil people. ;) -- Oliver P. 04:11 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)
Are you working on February 2 yet? If not I was going to update it. If you are I'll of course followup with more events. --mav
That was quick, I only just added the Esotropia article within the last 20 minutes or so. Nice work :) --Chuggnutt
"alumnus. alumni is plural" Why not change all the alumni to alumnus on that page (Brigham Young University)?... B
I moved the following down here where it belongs:
THAT CARL CRAIG BIO IS PUBLIC DOMAIN AND NOT FROM THAT SITE PLEASE REPLACE
If our ignoramus on Woman leaves any free time, maybe you could have a look at Cinderella: I added on some movies, but I'm sure you'll be able to add more or fix my mistatements about them<G> -- Someone else 08:20 Feb 8, 2003 (UTC)
Zoe, no you are out of line. The articles on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one long vile and racist attack on a suffering people. If you don't understand that I feel sorry for you. In Wikipedia, it is OK to write everything from a comepletely discredited Zionist perspective, but woe to the Anti-Semites who desire impartiality. The Al Naqba article was closer to truth than much else on Wikipedia. But you don't want discussion; so I won't discuss further. /Martha
Taking a side, Zoe? Ethnocentrism not something your over quite yet? Rabbi Michael Lerner - A link for you, Zoe. And "we" know where your bigotries stand, now dont we? -Stevert
I saw your comments on the Jewish religion, SV, so I don't need to say any more on that subject. But no, we don't know where my bigotries stand, why don't you enlighten us? -- Zoe
Zoe, I must take issue with wholesale reverts of everything Martha is doing. For example, I don't think the Irgun article needed to be reverted. Please take a moment to read the changes she makes before reverting. Graft
Never mind, it appears you are doing so anyway. Apologies. Graft
I second that. Its important to actually read the material before you revert it. As for claims of my anti-Semitism - I dont know what to say. Im not Jewish. excuse me, for seeing issues quite differently. Be well. -Stevert
Hi Zoe,
I only meant that not -all- of what Martha was writing was POV. Much of what RK writes is also POV, but I don't think that means we should go around reverting everything he writes. We should not throw the baby out with the bathwater, is all I'm saying. Graft
I agree, much of what RK writes is valid. but some of it is not, and Im happy to call attention to it, regardless of what people in their assumptions, might chose to label me. The canary in question is in the very bad habit of blanket reverting anything some of us do without even reading it. The fact that its tolerated speaks volumes. The fact that its supported.... well. What more can be said? Be well, again. -Stevert
RK, I disagree with you on reverting Palestinian exodus. I don't think the current version is NPOV. -- Zoe
Aack! I should have gotten an edit conflict on My Sister Eileen but for some reason didn't. You may want to take a look at it: I don't think anything got left out, but it would be good to check. (There are a LOT of actors/actresses etc. that don't have articles yet, I'm surprised!) -- Someone else 07:11 Feb 9, 2003 (UTC)
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Zoe, I left a response for you on my user talk page -sfmontyo
Hi. Please read my comments on User talk:Maveric149. Mintguy 04:17 Feb 11, 2003 (UTC)
Hello, Zoe. I've just noticed that you've deleted quite a lot of things from February 11. May I ask what criteria you used to decide what to delete? -- Oliver P. 05:33 Feb 11, 2003 (UTC)
Hey Zoe: Moving the Bayamon article to it's new heading, I noticed you had asked the question of 'what is a holding bridge?" on the talk page. Honestly, I just noticed that you had that question, so Im sorry that Im answering so late, as the question was posted in September.
A Holding Bridge is what I use to describe such bridges as the Brooklyn bridge or the Golden Gate bridge. I used that phrase, because in Spanish, actually, thats how people call it. But I have no idea what the name of those types of bridges is in English. Maybe Cable bridge or something..I dont know...
Perhaps you could fix the article with the right name :)
Once again, thanks for reading my articles, and God bless you!!
Sincerely yours, AntonioMartin
Please tell us what you plan on accomplishing by doing this
Providing ground for Wikipedia:self-references updates User:Anne
Zoe, First Past the Post is the formal actual name of an electoral system. We already have a mess on Wiki where people seem to mis-understand different systems and are merging slightly similar systems (eg, though the entire political science world refers to Proportional Representation through Single transferable Vote - PR.STV (and use capitals to denote it) , Wiki insists on calling it Single transferable vote, which is not the same thing, particularly when by not using capitals you don't make clear that you are talking about the actual voting system, not a different aspect of the electoral process.)
The whole point with using capitals is to make clear that you are dealing with the formal process under the formal name. First past the post could mean an election result, a variation on the process or a topic unrelated to elections at all. FIrst Past the Post (using capitals) is the formal name of a clearly defined election system, just as Single Transferable Vote is a formal name of a clearly defined election election system, and Proportional Representation through SIngle Transferable Vote is the formal name of a clearly defined election system. If things have formal names, deliberately given to them to distinguish the formal system from a general description on something related to the topic, they should be used. There is absolutely no logic in not using capitals for what capitals are intended to do, formally distinguish definitions & titles from anything else. (I've had the nightmare of correcting essays of students who get all confused because they cannot recognise a name or definition from general information. Wikipedia is simply going to make people even more confused if it decides not to use capitals on formal names that are intended to be capitalised. Or maybe we should just forget about capitals and mix up queen and Queen, write about pope john paul the same way we would write about slippers. And then wonder why people cannot make head or tail of it all.) I am rather bolshie on this I know, but I have had the experience over the years of being b*******d by lecturers for writing first past the post when I should have written First Past the Post or pr.stv for PR.STV. Wiki should be about raising people's standard of accuracy and level of english, not dumbing down. High standards shouldn't just apply to the contents of articles. They should also apply to the titles. 'First past the post' makes no sense in political science terms and no sense grammatically as an article headline. JTD 03:19 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)
Hey, Zoe. Check out my edit on Servant. You might want to put that article/user on your radar. Danny 04:04 Feb 16, 2003 (UTC)
I just wanted to say thanks for being a great editor. You're often criticized, but I wanted to make sure you know I think you're a valued contributor and I almost always agree with you, even when I don't (if that makes any sense). Thanks for being committed to the project. Tokerboy 07:37 Feb 16, 2003 (UTC)
Are you working on February 18 yet - I was going to give it a go but I don't want us to be working on the same thing at the same time. --mav 03:48 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)
mav, I'm working on it right now. -- Zoe
Ahh.. sorry I thought I'd created that test page in my user workspace and not the encylopaedia workspace. Mintguy
Dear Zoe: Hi! Thanks for fixing the Bayamon article with the phrase suspension bridge. Your observance is deeply appreciated as is your helpness.
Thanks and God bless you!
Sincerely yours, AntonioMartin
Dear Zoe: Well, thank you, and thank you again!!! LOL ...thanks for asking the question first, and then for letting me know who fixed the page. Im going to thank him right now.
God bless!!
Sincerely yours, AntonioMartin
Hey, I forgot that I read and then accidentally deleted your e-mail when <euphemism>my short-term memory wasn't functioning properly</euphemism> and, of course you can call me Tuf, as I am in fact quite tough, indestructible to all normal weapons (and also a cat, one of the rare Virginian-kind with opposable thumbs). Tuf-Kat
If you have a spare moment there is a formatting question at Talk:Historical anniversaries/Example. --mav
Yes, Zoe, I am planning on linking all those (very very very small) pictures into a page (actually I already have) and I -promise- I **Promise** that it will make sense why I did. really.
To discuss the theological and historical idea of the construction of the "mother temples" around the world (all 7) takes the pictures. Trust me, I'm not blasting pictures all over the wikipedia, and I'm not going to do some weird religious screed. I'll be NPOV and try to be demure.
But I understand your concern. Really. But there's a point. Give me 48 hours to get it all cleaned up ok? Rick Boatright 06:41 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)~
Zoe, I don't think changing the word 'with' to 'on' on the [UN . . . Iraq] page solves the problem. on and with are both used, the former by anti-war people, the latter by pro-war people. So we have just moved one POV and replaced it for another. I've another suggestion: instead call it ' The UN Security Council and the proposed Iraq war'. That way you avoid any hint of bias, by all words that could be seen as in any way expressing a POV and instead calling it a term that all sides would be able to use: the Proposed Iraq War. What do you think? JTD 00:28 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
Reply to your rude comment.. --KF 00:49 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
Hey Zoe!
Last time you and I spoke, I had been here a week or so, and you seemingly forever (to a newcomer like me, anyway). I inappropriately called you out when your were being entirely reasonable. But newcomers like me (and you were one, once) don't see what's happening here until they get used to the culture[?].
Anyway, the business of (crap, what was it called?) Amerocentrism is a real one, I think. Please! Bear with me. I'm not angry at anyone, and I've learned to read your edits with appreciation.
It's not, for me at least (maybe there are others who are angry), whether Americans talk about what they know. It's whether they impose a US viewpoint on non-US issues. The example that most affected me is the page on Japanese cuisine. The current page is written almost entirely entirely by me, but I've seen four (five?) people edit that page with an eye to how Japanese cuisine has affected the United States. No one has edited it to say how it has affected any country in Europe, Asia, or Africa, however. There is an odd "Amerocentrism" that has affected the discussion of a cuisine 4000 miles away.
I deleted some of it, crunched most of it into a single topic at the end of article (so as not to censure Americans), but I'd still rather delete it all. Japan is not America, you know?
So i think that sometimes people are not unhappy about Americans talking about what they know (your really decent phrase), they're unhappy about Americans talking about stuff that has nothing to do with them as if USA is the topic.
Best wishes,
(and I totally respect you)
Arthur 01:52 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
My understanding of the deletion policy was that pages shouldn't be just be summarily deleted in the middle of a dispute about them. That's what the Votes for deletion page is for. -- Oliver P. 02:32 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
Hiya Zoe. I think the martini stuff can be deleted. Danny 03:50 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
Sorry, Zoe, perhaps I should have explained myself a bit better! I meant that my understanding of the deletion process is that when someone wants a page to be deleted, they put it on the Votes for deletion page, and, after it has been up for discussion for at least a week, another uninvolved sysop can delete the page, if that's what seems to be the general consensus.
It's just that on a few occasions now you have deleted pages in the middle of an ongoing conflict about whether they should exist or not. For example, on the morning of 16th February, you deleted one page (2000 Elections) four times in quick succession. Clearly someone thought the page was worth having, and you disagreed. So you should have put it on "Votes for deletion". I don't think it should be up to you to unilaterally decide that a page is worthless. What made me bring the issue up last night was a similar event. I'm not sure if I can remember the details correctly, because the history has gone. But it went something like this... Someone had made a page about a supposed swear word in Arabic. Someone else blanked it out, and then someone else added some more text. And then you deleted the whole page. Later this morning, you went on to delete several other pages that had been listed on "Votes for deletion" for only a very short time.
Now, I'm not making any comment about whether or not all these pages were worth having or not. But I don't think it's up to you to make unilateral decisions on the matter. That's what "Votes for deletion" is for. It specifically says on the page, in bold lettering, "Page titles should stay listed for a minimum of a week before a decision is made." That way the matter is no longer solely your responsibility; other people can debate the merits or otherwise of the disputed pages, and there's no need to get into "deletion wars" with people. -- Oliver P. 16:43 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
Leave it go, Zoe. I'm sure your suspicions are correct, but SM is behaving as well as any of us right now (better than some!) and seems determined to start afresh. If there is a return to the bad old days, I will be the first to join with you on this, but for now, why don't we just take her on face value as a useful Wikipedis contributor? Early days, but she's doing just fine. Tannin
Hello Zoe. Could you give me some reasonable pointers on how to compile an article in line with Wiki-principles? Especially how to use "outside" material, links, articles..etc..A link to a howto page would be highly appreciated too.. Starquake Thanxs, for tips, ZOE. Starquake