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The result was no consensus. I don't see any consensus to delete, although not a 100% consensus for keep either. Whether or not to drafity is an editorial decision that can be made outside of AfD. ♠PMC(talk) 07:09, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reyhaneh Parsa (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
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I have noticed that this article has only Persian citations, without any English reference/website/press, hence, while this may possibly be notable in Persian Wikipedia, I believe the subject is not notable in English Wikipedia. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Therefore, I propose this article to be deleted. Aviator006 (talk) 22:08, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify. There are a lot of Persian language journalistic sources here (Keyhan, ISNA, etc), so I have little doubt that the subject is notable under GNG, and ought to have an article. But at the moment, the account of what has happened in the "Controversy" section is totally incomprehensible word salad. Attention is needed from an Iranian speaker to resolve this. Furius (talk) 18:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- no valid deletion rationale given. Sources are not required to be in English. matt91486 (talk) 21:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, non-English source is allowed, but it does not constitute the entire article to be from foreign sources. Considering that there are zero English source (i.e. no English media coverage whatsoever), does the subject belongs to the English version of Wikipedia? I did a quick google search on the subject before nomination and there is no articles or news on the subject. Aviator006 (talk) 11:29, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If a person is notable in any language then they ought to have a page on English Wikipedia. Our notability guidelines aren't intended to exclude any languages, cultures, or nations. pburka (talk) 13:00, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, there is absolutely nothing in wikipedia policy that says a certain amount of English language coverage needs to be achieved. matt91486 (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Persians also read English Wikipedia. There is no Wiki policy I know of that says an article cannot exist with sources in a foreign language. Peter303x (talk) 03:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep There is no Wiki policy I know of that says an article cannot exist with sources in a foreign language. There seems to be major coverage on her in Persian publications and she has also won an award. She may not be a notable figure outside her own country, but it appears that she is in Iran. Peter303x (talk) 03:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify. While it passes GNG, the article is not yet ready for mainspace. It needs copy editing and some hand holding in development by input from experienced editors.4meter4 (talk) 05:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. Once it is decided who the article subject actually is, a future discussion might be better able to determine whether we should have that article. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:30, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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other than his death, this Najjar (and it's previous iterations) are not notable and have received no meaningful coverage. Just a guy doing his job that died, nothing more. BEACHIDICAE🌊 22:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Robert McClenon Can you please review the sources I have added after this nomination? This person is different from draft one as you've noted below. There are many more sources in Arabic language (see his Arabic Wikipedia page). Thanks. Störm (talk) 10:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - please delete page. Some Storm went in and changed the details from my name to another Ramzi Najjar who is deceased. 178.135.8.46 (talk) 08:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reference Comments Independent Significant
1 Lbcgroup.TV Death report Yes No
2 AZM University Death report Yes No
3 Dailystar.com.lb Account of a corporate proxy fight Yes No
4 Arabadonline.com Passing mention of subject Yes No
5 Arabadonline.com Interview No
6 Dailystar.com.lb Statement by subject No
7 Annahar.com Death report in Arabic Yes No
8 Arabadonline.com Obituary Yes No
9 Alraimedia.com Death report in Arabic Yes No
10 Annahar.com Obituary in Arabic Yes No
11 nna-leb.gov.lb Report of book signing (in French) Yes No
12 Elfann.com Death report in Arabic Yes No
13 Arabadonline.com Report of death in French Yes No

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Delete - please delete page. Some Storm went in and changed the details from my name to another Ramzi Najjar who is deceased. 178.135.8.46 (talk) 08:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC) struck as an obvious duplicate of the entry made by 178.135.8.46 Meters (talk) 06:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Yet again, you've missed the point. These are all 1E. He died. There's no coverage before his death. BEACHIDICAE🌊 15:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't done WP:BEFORE and yet claiming there is no coverage before his death? I have no words for this. Störm (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment - I don't think BLP1E applies. It would apply if the death notices were because of some unusual way to die, but the obituaries instead detail a long and varied business and media career, which clearly surpasses 1E. I haven't looked closely at all the sources, because I have monolingual issues, but what I can see seems to be obituaries run by organizations to which he contributed, (a school, a magazine), so I'm not sure they're really independent. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comment. Many are independent as summarized by User:Robert McClenon above. Störm (talk) 17:06, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe I should change my assessment to Maybe Independent, but it doesn't matter because they are not significant. Many of them are not even obituaries, but only death reports. And he died the same number of times that most of us will eventually die. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a reason for delete, that's a reason for rename - if you can back this claim with reliable sources. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:44, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV. Obituaries do count towards significant coverage when they are unpaid, and widely reported in multiple media outlets beyond mere local news coverage. In this case the obituaries are detailed, in multiple languages, and reaching a large multi-national audience. All of this indicates significant coverage. These kinds of obituary announcement in media are reserved for notable people and are not routine. The typical business executive does not get this level of coverage when they die. Only significant individuals get this level of media coverage.4meter4 (talk) 13:27, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • To the IP user who has concerns of sourcing issues: If you're the article subject, you can contact Wikipedia through OTRS and verify your identity. Then an OTRS agent can post a verified claim from the article subject here, and that will be more effective. See Wikipedia:Contact us. For this article: a current ANI shows ongoing concerns with this article and I agree a closer look is necessary. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment to User:Missvain, User:Peter303x, and anyone else: There appear to be two run-of-the-mill authors with the same name, one of whom is living, and one of whom is recently deceased. This AFD is about the deceased person, and most of the references are passing mentions of the death of the person. There is also a draft about the living person, which I have also declined. It appears that User:Praxidicae agrees with me that neither person is biographically notable. If both people were notable, disambiguation would be necessary. It appears that there is continuing confusion due to the two persons with the same name. I hope that the confusion is innocent and not being stirred up on purpose. The closer will need to verify that editors taking part in this AFD understand that there are two people with the same name. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 23:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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No evidence of notability per WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. I am unable to find significant discussion of the subject in multiple reliable sources. ... discospinster talk 23:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable Pokemon with no real-world notability. I redirected this to List of generation I Pokémon, as it is similar to other Pokemon AfDs (here here here), but a user objected to my redirect. Natg 19 (talk) 23:35, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:57, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Poorly sourced article on a painter. Similar to Jan P. Blanco, of the same family. A search turned up a few sources, but not enough for GNG. --- Possibly 23:27, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I did find a few mentions of him here or there, but none of them were independent of the subject. An art gallery talking of their featured artists does not a notable person make. Helen (let’s talk) 02:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 07:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable small time indie wrestler. Sources provided are all listings of match results or small passing mentions without sufficient detail to indicate notability. ♟♙ (talk) 23:26, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of generation I Pokémon. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable Pokemon with no real-world notability. I redirected this to List of generation I Pokémon, as it is similar to other Pokemon AfDs, but a user objected to my redirect. Natg 19 (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Given that those others don't seem notable either, merging them will not somehow make it notable. I instead suggest that someone nominate those for deletion as well.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. plicit 07:40, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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THis was created by an IP outside the usual GNIS stub process, and the original text began, "Hidden Valley is an area east of Dietrich idaho and west of Paul Idaho that has large farms. It is not a town and most people have a postal route from paul Idaho." The article lacks coordinates; GNIS does list several Hidden Valleys in the state, of which none is in Lincoln County. From what I can tell in other sources, Hidden Valley in this county appears to be a strip of farmland running south from highway 24; there's even a Hidden Valley Organic Dairy in the midst of it. I don't see this meeting WP:GEOLAND; I'm not convinced yet that it is a notable locale, in that while I'm finding references to it as a place, I haven't found one talking about it per se; my assessment of its extent is based on looking at GMaps, not from a description. Mangoe (talk) 21:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:43, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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BLP entirely sourced to unreliable social media and IMDb. Needs draftifying but there’s a draft in existence. Mccapra (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep, I spent about an hour to find independent, reliable, Secondary sources with significant coverage to cite on Aamir Qureshi, but found nothing except trivial coverage. It clearly fails General Notability. But if we keep in mind that WP:GNGACTOR and his significant roles in Notable films and dramas, this article will easily pass 1st point of WP:ENTERTAINER. Considering his significant roles in Notable films and dramas, this article should be kept. Thank you. Abdulhaseebatd (talk) 12:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A sacred grove which is not notable. TrangaBellam (talk) 20:53, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:14, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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it fails WP:GNG and has lack of reliable sources and also fails WP:NACTOR. Also it was created by an blocked user. Preetykaur761 (talk) 20:35, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)Berrely • TalkContribs 13:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable, poorly sourced album. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Plenty of reviews to use to expand the article. Donaldd23 (talk) 15:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)Berrely • TalkContribs 13:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable poorly sourced album. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Reply - Per WP:NALBUM, "a standalone article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged into the artist's article or discography". --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

:** I agree with Jax 0677. Ashleyyoursmile! 08:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The Allmusic review is not trivial, and there are more reviews out there like [8], [9]. Geschichte (talk) 14:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - passes WP:NALBUMS. Reviews in multiple publications demonstrates significant coverage and clearly indicates that the album is notable for a standalone article. --Ashleyyoursmile! 14:32, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply - Per WP:NALBUM, "a standalone article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged into the artist's article or discography".
Plenty of reviews to use to expand the article. Donaldd23 (talk) 15:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:15, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Unsourced since 2006, and a vague descriptor/definition rather than actual topic. What's most concerning is the list of articles that point to this one are using the term in a generic way that invalidates the topic: [[10]]. "Stepped profile" describes rivers: none of the incoming wikilinks describe an aquatic body, but mountains or architecture with step-looking motif. This convolutes the possibility of a redirect. Likewise, the term brings up hits in other related fields (math, engineering) and sort of reinforces it as a generic description. It's not that it's a 'bad' topic, it's that it's a tangled mess that needs TNT. I welcome any other constructive fixes. Estheim (talk) 08:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's not a dictionary definition. The article begins with a definition as it is supposed to and then goes on to describe how a stepped profile is used in architecture, construction, engineering, and geology. The revision also expands on the original article (the encyclopaedic part about rivers is still there) to take into account the nominators concerns about the other applications of this concept. SailingInABathTub (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Danko Jones discography. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 (ICE TICE CUBE) 16:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable, poorly sourced article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 23:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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does not meet WP:NF, does not appear to have significant coverage by multiple, independent, reliable sources BOVINEBOY2008 19:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ASTIG😎 (ICE TICE CUBE) 16:00, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable, and poorly sourced album. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Plenty of reviews to use to add to the article. Donaldd23 (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Gunapala Piyasena Malalasekera. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Deprodded by the creator, Abhilasha Will (talk · contribs), without explanation or improvement. The original concern, by Dan arndt (talk · contribs), read: Fails WP:NBOOK, lacks any reliable secondary sources. The creator has had several problematic pages deleted or nominated for deletion, including an article about the same topic that was speedy deleted as a copyright violation. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 19:24, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete, all the references are either book retail websites, including eBay and Amazon, which are not acceptable sources or about the author, with mentions in passing about the dictionary or are all about the author but don’t mention the dictionary at all. Dan arndt (talk) 01:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Per nom. Curbon7 (talk) 05:28, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect to Gunapala Piyasena Malalasekera, the book's author, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. Here are two sources I found that discuss the book (but do not qualify as significant coverage):
    1. Popovski, Vesselin; Reichberg, Gregory M.; Turner, Nicholas, eds. (2009). World Religions and Norms of War. Tokyo: United Nations University Press. p. 77. ISBN 9789280811636. Retrieved 2021-06-19.

      The book notes, "Significantly, in the English - Sinhalese Dictionary that Malalasekera compiled and published in 1948 – a dictionary widely used today by students of English in Sri Lanka - the English term “ holy war ” is translated specifically with the term"

    2. Malalasekera, Gunapala Piyasena; Mutukumāra, Nemsiri (1981). Tribute to Malalasekera: A Collection of Messages, Appreciations & Pen Portraits in Honour of Professor Gunapala Piyasena Malalasekera. Colombo: Mutukumara. p. 246. OCLC 614934449. Retrieved 2021-06-19.

      The book notes: "I should like to mention also his English- Sinhalese Dictionary (1948), which I can safely say, speaking as a foreigner, is much superior to any other English- Sinhala dictionary I know — it is a pity he was never able to produce a companion Sinhala-English dictionary, which is still lacking to us even today."

    There may be print sources and Sinhala sources that provide significant coverage of the book. In the absence of finding those sources, a merge to Gunapala Piyasena Malalasekera per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion should be done instead of deletion.

    Cunard (talk) 23:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment would support a Merge/redirect for the reasons as outlined by Cunard above. Dan arndt (talk) 03:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 17:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested by Trap133 with the rationale "Fails WP:GNG"

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The result was delete. plicit 00:04, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested by trap133 with the rationale "This article does not cite any sources. Lack of notability and reliable sources."

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  • Delete Article fails WP:SIGCOV besucase 1) there are no citations, and 2) the external links led to sites that weren’t independent of the subject— her IMDB page, official website, and possibly her resumé. I was also unable to find any articles online. Helen (let’s talk) 22:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I could only find a handful of articles mentioning the subject from the early 2000s in a search of Australian and NZ newspapers via ProQuest (broader and deeper than Google), and none of these are substantive, just passing mentions of cast or photo captions. Fails GNG. Cabrils (talk) 07:47, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 07:13, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This article is supported only by press releases. The claims the article makes - 7,000+ centres across the globe - are impressive, but I can't find any independent, reliable sources confirming any of that, all of the coverage I can find looks like republished press releases. The author has not declared any affiliation to this organisation, but describes himself as a 'digital marketer' on his userpage, so it may be an example of WP:UPE. I can't find any sourcing of the quality called for by WP:NCORP. Girth Summit (blether) 15:58, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 03:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Missed the PROD in the history (thanks Explicit) when I nominated, but the reason still holds: A Before indicates no evidence of notability per MUSIC or the GNG. He's had some engagements, but there's no significant, in depth coverage. Star Mississippi 14:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - He was noticed by Billboard in 1969 as a local draw in his city, and that is a reliable source but not sufficiently significant beyond a basic introduction. He still gets occasional local gig announcements to this day. Good for him but that's not enough for an encyclopedic article here. Also note that all his media coverage mentions that he sounds just like someone more famous, which is not necessarily a compliment. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Discounting the low-contribution users for possible COI issues and not citing reliable sources about the person. Sandstein 06:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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No indication of notability per WP:GNG or WP:BIO. I found about 40 results in a Google search, mostly social media and things that he's written. Also a conflict of interest issue arises since he wrote an article about another entrepreneur and she wrote this article about him. ... discospinster talk 14:22, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject Daniel Maithya has been widely covered by several reliable and globaly recognised news websites and media houses. I don't see why it should be deleted. I think the article should remain published. Shatimpya (talk) 18:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I find that this article has several contributors who have widely contributed to the article which is a good thing. I don't see why an article with several contributors who believe this person is notable should be deleted. AfrikanTraveler (talk) 18:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A google and youtube search shows a wide coverage of the subject by media houses and blogs with over 100 search results. LucyChegeM (talk) 18:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then show your work. Link the best sources you can find on that Google search that (1) discuss him at length, (2) have have strong editorial oversight that fact-checks, retracts, and discloses, and (3) has no connexion to him or his surrogates. Merely saying there's 100 hits on Google/YouTube is meaningless. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 20:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. AfrikanTraveler, LucyChegeM, and Shatimpya have had 24 hours, so I'll judge the article based on what potential sources are already there, and it frankly does not look promising in the least. None of the actual articles there are usable as sources; the closest is this Nairobi News piece which is more about KenyaChat and doesn't say anything about Maithya that he doesn't say himself. BEFORE returns nothing usable, either (string: "daniel maithya"). —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 21:07, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:22, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Failing the notability criteria. Almost there but not quite. Please see WP:NACTOR. PangolinPedia 15:07, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

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The result was redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters. ♠PMC(talk) 07:14, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Minor Battlestar Galactica character. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Previous AfD was a bundled mess, one source was cited for him ([12]) but it's just mentions him in passing few times (WP:SIGCOV fail), and there is no discussion of him outside plot summary anyway. Other mentions I see are similarly sparse. There is nothing to salvage here (since the entry is unreferenced, not counting one footnote to a TV series episode), so a redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters is best we can do here, I am afraid. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:42, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. While notability is permanent, our standards for inclusion can change as can consensus. There is a consensus in this discussion that under the current NCORP standards that there is not sufficient sourcing available to justify an independent article. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:36, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Doesn't meet WP:NCORP, WP:INDEPENDENT, WP:MULTSOURCES and WP:CORPDEPTH. It's abandoned and I think it won't get more cited or improved. Asketbouncer (talk) 11:43, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company information or announcements or interviews, etc. In addition, none of the article references the fraud and subsequent convictions provides in-depth information on the company with Independent Content. In summary, not a single one of the references in the article meet the criteria. Topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing++ 15:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. plicit 07:35, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There is nothing to indicate notability. I find no coverage of this person in English language sources. If there are reliable sources in other languages, then they should be highlighted in this discussion. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Shipley Energy. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:36, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Doesn't look like this meets WP:NCORP. Very small convenience store chain. It apparently had more locations at one time, but infobox says just one left now. The article hasn't been updated to match (still says it operated in 15 counties). Most of the article is unsourced, two of the three sources are DLs and probably didn't contribute to notability. The one working source does not mention subject. I get a timeout trying to access the website. Searching turns up a few newspaper articles on store closings. This seems to have been a minor operation of parent Shipley Energy, which itself is poorly sourced. There is some history that could be merged if it were cited; this should redirect instead for now (Shipley Energy has been has been tagged since 2013 and might not survive if it was AFD'ed). MB 02:29, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Redirect to Shipley Energy for now. Seems pretty clear there is insufficient coverage for a standalone article, and I don't see much worth merging. I agree with MB that Shipley Energy might also not survive AFD, but that bridge may be crossed at the appropriate time.--Mojo Hand (talk) 14:41, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. There is consensus that there is a notable topic (perhaps more than one) which would include some coverage of Inner Party. However, there is consensus that this topic isn't independently notable and a further consensus that this article does not offer value (i.e. concerns about OR) to such a notable topic. Thus there is no satisfactory alternative to deletion. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:41, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Last AfD (in 2014) was a procedural close suggesting merge discussion that never happened. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. The term is mentioned in some sources, but generally as a plot summary element (for example, [13] mentions that the IP "employs ideology to eliminate the very possibility of thought", which sounds nice but really doesn't convey anything outside sayign that this group was the elite, the top social class of the 1984's world - and that one sentence seems to be the extent of what can be said about this group outside of plot summary/OR. This is repeated in some other works, none of which analyses this group in detail. The sources cited here are a student essay or not in-depth. Overall, I think there is potentially a notable topic (or a section) to be written about the "social structure of 1984/social classes in 1984", (we also have this diagram), to which Inner Party, the Proles (Nineteen Eighty-Four) and the worst (quality-wise) Outer Party could redirect, but there is nothing to save from the current version of those articles (WP:TNT). For the record, speaking as as a social scientists, no scholar would consider a minor element like the Inner Party worth a dedicated article, but BEFORE does show that the society of 1984 has been written about - but sadly we don't have such an article yet. The diagram is the sole useful element of the current fancrufty piece we have here and it will survive on Commons anyway, to be restored to the proper overview of the society portrayed in the book, once someone decides to write it up (maybe even I'll do it one day). Oh, and note that 90% of the Proles article is actually about the ""Social_structure_of_Oceania") - sadly it is unreferenced OR. PS. If anyone cares, Template:Nineteen Eighty-Four lists quite a few of similar fancrufty articles, many pepperred with citation requests, OR and notability warnings for years, some of which may be rescuable, but all need a review, and several should end up here (although at least the main concepts - newspeak, doublethink, 2+2=5, seem to be ok-ish). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:25, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I think you've made a reasonable case for restructuring our 1984 coverage to be more encyclopedic. Why do we need an AfD for this? It'll end up keep, merge, or redirect, and we'll all write about the potential article, rather than actually writing the potential article. Jclemens (talk) 05:37, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jclemens, Hmmm, the problem is that there is next to nothing to merge from those outside the lead which is unreferenced. The topic, when written from scratch, won't benefit from the current articles at all. As I said, I may even write this up myself, but there's nothing I can use in the current versions, I'd have to delete most of it - all of it - anyway, before writing the new article. I guess SOFTDELETE and REDIRECT might be considered if I (or someone else) gets around to stubbing the article on the society of 1984 before this ends. I'll try to find time to do it over the next few days, if nothing else comes up. That said, my initial look at the sources doesn't suggest it will be an easy job, and frankly, we have a decent SOFTDELETE redirect target already (Nineteen_Eighty-Four#World_in_novel). Not that this section looks good, aargh. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words."

— George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
  • Delete. Contrary to the assertion above, Wikipedia is not TV Tropes or Book Tropes or such, and this topic fails GNG. Also, the sarcastic comment above is too much, seriously. - GizzyCatBella🍁 10:26, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:OR not notable neither nor not sourced way too much detail outside the scope of structured analysis based on sources of 1984's society as per Piotrus's excellent analysis above. I also agree some of the comments here are getting a bit personal. It's a guideline/policy based decision we're discussing, not a vendetta against one editor and their POV regarding the entire rationale of article deletion. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - As stated by the nom, while it comes up in searches, its basically only mentioned as part of wider discussions of the plot or analysis of 1984 as a whole, and does not have enough coverage or analysis on itself, specifically, that would warrant a WP:SPLIT. The basic plot elements are already covered on the main Nineteen Eighty-Four article already. I would not be opposed to a Redirect, though, if other users think this might be a useful search term. Rorshacma (talk) 15:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Ingsoc where the subject is already covered. This is an important part of Orwell’s world but much of the article is unsourced, and it can be covered well in the article on the political system and social structure. Sjakkalle (Check!) 17:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete this is easily one of the most important works of literature, and I'm even willing to guess that there's something out there that isn't just unreliable sources. In the long run, I might recommend covering this in some sort of Glossary of 1984, as I suspect that there is more research about the overall impact of 1984 on our language than there are sources that deep-dive individually into each concept. But there is nothing reliable in this article to WP:PRESERVE, and even an article that shows WP:POTENTIAL would need to have the bare minimum of reliable sources, which this does not. I sadly agree with Piotrus that other related articles are even worse shape. Shooterwalker (talk) 13:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As 1984-cruft, just because the book is extremely well known does not mean every single minor plot element must have an article; that is a job for FANDOM.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:12, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 07:15, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NOTCAT; plus, there's List of remote sensing satellites already. fgnievinski (talk) 05:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 08:04, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NAUTHOR, this is a WP:ROTM so called social media personality. This has been draftified once, doing so again seems to me to be invalid. It's also an advert for a book, one which appears to be self published on 4th June 2021. Pure spam. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 11:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 12:53, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Apparently non-notable scientist. No in-depth coverage in the sources in the page (NB, linkedin, researchgate), h-index of 5 according to Scopus. He apparently has a back-yard observatory – see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Golden Ears Observatory. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:46, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can be redirected once it is listed in the prospective target article. Sandstein 06:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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According to this page, this is somebody's backyard observatory. There's no indication that it might meet WP:NCORP. It gets no valid hit on GBooks, no result on Scholar. It isn't even mentioned in this local-boy-makes-good piece in the local paper. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect. Geschichte (talk) 08:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This seems to be an article for something that is non-existent, and thus would not be notable. The article seems to have been revived, after having been moved from Funimation Channel to Toku (TV network) in 2015. There is no source that confirms that Funimation Channel exists from 2016 onwards, after the service was shut down in 2015, according to The Fandom Post. Furthermore, the majority of the content on this page is just taken from Toku (TV network). The current article states that Funimation Channel is an SVOD service, however, there is no source that confirms an existence of an SVOD service named Funimation Channel, with this source found in the article stating that Funimation would relaunch a new cable channel in 2016 (which never happened), not an SVOD service. Furthermore, there is no source corroborating the launch date, nor that the relaunch was an SVOD service. The SVOD service that Funimation actually operates is named "Funimation", formerly named "FunimationNow" until 2020, and that service is already covered as part of the Funimation article. tenshibeat (talk|contribs) 11:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 08:01, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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No evidence of any notability at all for this self-published new poem. No speedy deletion criterion exists for this, sadly, so at AfD we are! Fram (talk) 10:46, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I've blocked the user for having an undisclosed conflict of interest and for self-promotion. They have made only two articles, one of which was for a book series by the same author back in 2017. The name in the deleted article is slightly different, but if you search for the book title and the name of the poem's author, evidence pops up to show that they're the same person. I must also note that the user's name is very similar to the author's, which suggests a COI here. They were questioned about this and they denied having any COI. Editing with a COI within policy is fine, but hiding that COI is not. I personally think that this should be deleted as self-promotion but have no problem with this going through AfD since that's a more firm form of deletion, as the poem is very non-notable. Since I blocked the user I'll refrain from officially making a "vote" here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 12:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't even see an attempt here to establish notability per WP:NBOOK. Furthermore, the only Google hits I can find are from Wikipedia and its mirrors. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I tried searching the Georgian name of the poem too, to see if there were non-English sources, and found absolutely nothing that qualities as a reliable source -- all four Google pages of hits are for facebook, blogs, and personal sites. I'm not sure how many of those were really about this poem, but regardless I don't see support for NBOOK or for GNG. ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 20:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: No reliable sources, no evidence of notability. Fails GNG. TheDreamBoat (talk) 23:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep With the Georgian, name its can be found on the website of the National Parliamentary Library of Georgia [1] (。◕‿◕。) ~Thrago (talk) 22:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 07:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Izmir Peoples' Democratic Party provincial organization attack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
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News fact without serious impact The Banner talk 08:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • @The Banner: One victim + a scrap major political party building in a 4 million populated city + an allegedly government-sponsored attack + allegations against two allegedly-paramilitary organizations (SADAT and Grey Wolves) and a major government partner in Turkey (Nationalist Movement Party).
  • WP:EVENTCRITERIA states that "Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below).". This attack had been subject of a lot of controversies such as HDP's allegations, Sedat Peker who is a mafia leader currently publishing secret files about Turkish government blaming the government about the attack, and Erdogan's speech about the attack on Meral Akşener, chairwoman of an opposition party, Good Party, in Rize, stating that there will be continuation of these attacks against opposition, which happened right before/about 10 days before this another attack on another opposition party HDP. I added the WIP template to the article again, in order to cover whole points. Pamfilyalı (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does the fact of "only one death" removes whole notability criteria about large national (or in lesser extent international) impact? I don't think that impact is only decided by quantity but news coverage and "unproven allegations" (I honestly don't think that the perpetrator undergoing a military training in Northern Syria with a lot of photos is unproven), which comes from more than one source, against a "sovereign state". — Pamphylian 💬 18:50, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is not a terrorist attack with many victims. And I noticed that by now three of the four existing articles (in Dutch, German and English) about this attack are listed for removal and that you worked on three of the four articles (in Turkish, German and English). The Banner talk 22:17, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: i am addressing here the topic's notability which requires a Keep. I am not addressing the fact we have two articles to merge, which is another issue. Yug (talk) 17:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:EVENTCRITERIA says that "Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below)". The attack has been also covered both in national and international media widely, plus the aftermath allegations. What is the reason making you believe that the article should be moved to Wikinews? — Pamphylian 💬 18:51, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) 5225C (talkcontributions) 03:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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New Formula 4 driver lacking significant coverage, and failing the standards set by WP:GNG, WP:YOUNGATH, and WP:NMOTORSPORT. Yes, she is the first female driver to be signed to the FDA, but that did not attract meaningful coverage and Wikipedia is not a means of promotion or a soapbox.
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  • Keep. Clearly meets the WP:GNG. This looks like a WP:BEFORE failure to me. Looking at the larger picture: as with Maya Weug, breaking the glass ceiling often receives WP:SIGCOV. It would be sad if women pioneers had no place on WP. The history that women are making should not be reduced to a soapbox. gidonb (talk) 13:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral - A fairly large number of reliable, independent sources do seem to exist; however most of them seem to be primarily focusing on the Ferrari Driver Academy and the broader history of women in motorsport and not on Maya Weug specifically. However, there may be sources in other languages which are more detailed and would fully establish notability. Within the broader context of a large number of WP:BLPs about young racing drivers being created and my ethical concerns regarding that I'm inclined to lean towards calling this WP:TOOSOON, but I suspect that my concerns about those other articles may be clouding my judgement regarding this one. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 16:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The sources, national through international and VERY important, specifically, explicitly, and elaborately say that Maya Weug is making history. That's a HUGE contrast with race car drivers receiving local interest. gidonb (talk) 16:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I found CNN ("Maya Weug becomes first female driver to earn a spot in the Ferrari Driver Academy"), BBC Sport ("Ferrari: Maya Weug becomes team's first female academy driver") and Italy 24 ("German F4 | First top-10 for Maya Weug in Austria – Formule") coverage that focuses on Weug. Beccaynr (talk) 16:33, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you, it seems like there are indeed enough sources for Weug to be included. I obviously didn't do a thorough check for sources, so I apologise for my misjudgement in this nomination, and I will withdraw it.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:40, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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BLP subject does not meet WP:NMUSICIAN- award nominations do not establish notability, coverage is WP:ROUTINE. MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:06, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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@Afí-afeti, believing an article is WP:TOOSOON and !voting in favor for the article to be retained on mainspace is contradictory. Celestina007 (talk) 15:33, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Celestina007, this is really a hard one, as per, I really wanted to make a case of Keep, but after a random search and updating the article for 5 hours. I realize it was a weak one and time wasted.--Afí-afeti (talk) 17:44, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Newspeak#List of Newspeak words. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:10, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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This is just a WP:DICTDEF. The 2009 keep at AfD was a pure WP:GOOGLEHITS=notable topic fallacy. These days we require reliable sources discussing stuff in-depth, and that's missing. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. [20] uses the term in its title but does not discuss it, and other sources are similar - some use the term, occasionally briefly attribute it to Orwell, but that's it. Nobody discusses it, analyses it or develops it further. The only solution I see is to redirect this back to Newspeak#List_of_Newspeak_words (it was a redirect, then it was made into a dictdef, with occasional edit warring about this). Orwell coined a bunch of notable words, but this one failed to establish itself - infotainment is already a much more common used neologism for this anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:20, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 11:07, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable American banker. Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. The 3 sources cited in the article are exceedingly brief and routine, providing almost no coverage of the individual himself. DocFreeman24 (talk) 06:27, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)Berrely • TalkContribs 13:14, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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A fictional character that doesn't appear notable. PROD removed with no explanation. PROD rationale was "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar.".The only thing that goes beyond plot summary is a single passing mention in [21]. The other passing mention is the Finnish Master Thesis cited in our article. Neither of them seems to meet WP:SIGCOV. Finnish wiki article is of little use (ours is a translation of it with pretty much the same sources). Swedish is even worse, being totally unreferenced. There is a tiny chance there are better sources out there in Finnish or Swedish, but I am not holding my breath. Still, let's discuss. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:14, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep The native language for this is Swedish, not Finnish, *sniff*. This demonstrates that this is just another drive-by and the due diligence of WP:BEFORE has not been done. When one actually looks, it is easy to find more coverage in a variety of languages such as As “viagens” de Sniff pelas memórias de Tove Jansson (Sniff's “Journeys” through Tove Jansson's Memoirs); Multilingual Moomins, which discusses the character's naming in both Swedish and Finnish (Nipsu); The Dilemma of Double Address, which discusses the translation in to Polish (Ryjeck). As well as the many issues of translation, there's also the issue of the numerous animations and adaptions so that there have been many voice actors such as Ryūsei Nakao. There's therefore plenty to say about this subject and so our policy WP:ATD applies, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. " Andrew🐉(talk) 09:55, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's normal that such characters have different names in different languages, after all, even Sniff is not Swedish (thank you for correcting me) but English. Translations are discussed in academic literature, but it doesn't make the character notable. As for the article, you found it is... weird. Academic, arguably, but published in a Mexican magazine [22] that I am not sure is peer-reviewed. And certainly, the format doesn't look like a traditional article - one and a half-page of text, and several pages of images. This looks more like some sort of an artistic experiment (Google Translate gives me this: "Sniff is the protagonist of this visual essay. It is a plastic doll, about five centimeters tall, acquired in a supermarket in the city of Pori, Finland, in the summer of 2015. The little doll became a great companion on “travels” and participated, intensely, in most of the activities and tours carried out"). I don't see as much as a single sentence of analysis of Sniff as a literary character in this short "artistic" writeup. And no, nobody is expecting you to change your vote, don't worry. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Sniff is Swedish – its name in English is unchanged. Once again, we see a lack of basic knowledge demonstrating that the claims to have followed WP:BEFORE are empty and false. And then there's a bizarre complaint that a source is Mexican – it's actually Brazilian. This demonstrates the global reach of this topic, which has been translated in most major languages. Drive-by deletion is therefore disruption. My !vote stands. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:58, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Sniff is one of the major characters, sort of an adopted part of the big, central family that's at the core of the Moomin books. I don't have any of these books at home right now, but there's an abundance of academic literature or other books that discuss Sniff in more than passing. Sirke Happonen writes about the central figures, among them Sniff (Nipsu, in Finnish), in Muumiopas (2016), though my Finnish isn't good enough to use it as a reference. In her PhD dissertation, Den lömska barnboksförfattaren : Tove Jansson och muminverkets metamorfoser, Agneta Rehal-Johansson discusses how Sniff has evolved over the years. Boel Westin discusses Sniff's relationship to the family in Familjen i dalen. Tove Janssons muminvärld (1988). Mirja Kivi writes about Sniff, and the other central characters, in Mumindalen. Figurerna som kom på museum (2000). And so on.
To contextualise this, a) The Moomin books are central in Swedish (as in the language) and Finnish (as in the country) literature, becoming part of forming national and/or literary identity both in a country where the books weren't written and in a language they weren't written in. They are books about characters, more than plot or environment. This has made the Moomin characters grow far beyond their place in the literature, cups with the characters becoming popular collectables in a way that's far more mainstream the merchandise aimed a fans of big popular cultural franchises, the characters becoming identities in their own right outside of the books, in a way that's true for few works of literature. Strong keep, without any hesitation. /Julle (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As I noted, I don't have access to all this literature now, but I went to the library today. They had lost Boel Westin's book somewhere in the stacks, but had Agneta Rehal-Johansson's dissertation, which spends more time discussing Sniff than I remembered. I've added parts her analysis of Sniff's character and how it changed between the revisions of Comet in Moominland. /Julle (talk) 19:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And I've noted that Sirke Happonen's book was already referenced when this article was taken to AfD. /Julle (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Having had reason to glance at the literature written about Tove Jansson's works, I'm convinced there's enough written about them to motivate the separate articles for the characters that currently have those, the core cast so to speak. But yeah, maybe not the time or the place. /Julle (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not seem to be a notable figure beyond a local level. VibrantThumpcake (talk) 05:36, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete his book is not a notable work and has not had enough coverage to show notability, and his county level office is not even close to enough to show notability. The article is also overly promotional.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:01, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The creator of this article made three contributions to Wikipedia, all involving editing this article as far as I can tell. This is why we need to stop allowing people to do article creation as their first edit.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a consensus to keep, though this does not preclude merging, renaming, or otherwise improving the article. To the extent that the topic may be difficult to pin down, Wikipedia covers even entirely incoherent subjects (e.g. Time Cube) if they meet the standards for notability. BD2412 T 05:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The sources do not provide any indication of this subject's notability, relies almost entirely on primary sources. Salimfadhley (talk) 08:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly do you mean here with "fringe"? We use the term "fringe" for scholarly theories that significantly depart from the scholarly mainstream, not for religious ideas and systems. Should we also delete the articles on Chrustianity, because the resurrection of dead bodies is a fringe theory? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The confusion here, perhaps, is because of the way "integral" as an adjective is sometimes used by people who have co-opted Sri Aurobindo's word choice and attached it to a huge range of other ideas. What I think we have now, however, is an identification of the progenitor which, as I indicate in my !vote, may be the real notable thing to discuss in WP as opposed to much of the other cruft that has shown up here over the years. jps (talk) 12:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Has anyone looked to see which idea is talked about more in the academic literature? Doing a lit search for "integral yoga" was not edifying. Doing a lit search for "supermind" was even more bewildering. jps (talk) 17:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge per my comment above. --Yoonadue (talk) 15:02, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Is this a serious proposal?
  • See Google Scholar and Google Books, for example Brainerd Prince (2017), The Integral Philosophy of Aurobindo: Hermeneutics and the Study of Religion, Taylor & Francis; and encyclopedias such as Jones' Macmillan Encyclopedia of Religion, for the notability of the topic. From Jones' MER (p.634):

Disciples, admirers, and advocates of Aurobindo’s vision of spiritual evolution and system of Integral Yoga gather in communities throughout the world. Best known are those who have begun construction of Auroville, a city near Pondicherry designed to embody Aurobindo’s ideal for a transformed humanity, and the ashram at Pondicherry where Aurobindo himelf lived for forty years.

Aurobindo is regarded as one of the main proponents of Neo-Vedanta, the Hindu modernism that popularized Hinduism and yoga in the west. Brainerd Prince (p.15):

The Neo-Vedānta tradition, beginning with Rammohan Roy and reaching its crescendo in Aurobindo and Radhakrishnan, can be seen as using an 'integral' philosophical approach.

  • Regarding the sources, the article has more secondary than primary sources
  • Merging "Integral yoga" to "Supermind" is a reversal of primacy; if those articles are to be merged, then Supermind should be merged to Integral Yoga, which could be renamed "Integral Yoga (Aurobindo)".
  • That the article could be better written (sorry, Shrikanthv) is a real issue, but not an argument for deletion. See this version which is probably a lot clearer; I've rolled it back to that version.
Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am curious as to exactly how we might want to make sure this topic gets properly contextualized. One of the problems WP-ENG has is that it had early on been taken over by Integral theory (Ken Wilber) cultists which makes it seem like that use of the "integral" word is the most dominant. I think that this is incorrect and that the strain of Neo-Vedanta being referenced here is more WP:PROMINENT. What do you think? jps (talk) 11:26, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
integral yoga and Sri Aurobindo's philosophy are actually more influential in New Age circles than Ken Wilber's work - for sure. Wilber drew on Aurobindo, but Wilber's works, which look impressive at first sight, are just plain nonsense. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:27, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Addentum: no need to TNT; my roll-back suffices. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think there may be more work to be done there. A lot of what is present in your rollback is material that isn't reliably sourced to scholars who study Sri Aurobindo's ideas/religious organization but instead is just summarizing primary source material. We need much better secondary sources to properly clean-up the text. jps (talk) 12:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Phil Goldberg's books, "American Veda" and "Woodstock Guru - Swami Satchidananda", offers a broad historical review of yoga in American and devotes considerable credit to Integral Yoga as a major influence on American society. Ellis408 (talk) 06:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 03:46, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The topic is documented by numerous encyclopedias including Religions of the World: A Comprehensive Encyclopedia; The Encyclopedia of American Religions; New Age Encyclopedia; Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions; &c. The main complication is that there is more than one school and so we have more than one article – see Integral Yoga (Satchidananda). It seems telling that the nomination says nothing of this and so WP:BEFORE has not been followed. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:08, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 07:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable actress, per WP:NACTOR. Only had a few minor roles and there seems to be little significant coverage. There is a previous AfD, but it is 5 years old, so I felt a second discussion is warranted. Curbon7 (talk) 03:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nom. Fails both WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG.--Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 05:41, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was move to draft. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a clear consensus that this should not exist in article space based on its current state of notability, but the discussion has raised a sufficient possibility for additional noteworthy events to occur in connection with this subject to merit keeping a draft in case the addition of those events amounts to notability. BD2412 T 05:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NPOV and also fails to demonstrate any notability from other cases of infanticides. Not every tragic case of infanticides merit articles. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning "infanticide" misses the entire point, completely. This is not a case of infanticide; it's a case of road-rage. Per the Wikipedia article, ... Infanticide (or infant homicide) is the intentional killing of infants. No one is alleging that the suspects went out to intentionally kill an infant. The infant was killed -- presumably, unintentionally -- in a road-rage incident. Why are you bringing up "infanticide" at all? That has literally nothing to do with this case. (I am not even sure if a 6-year-old qualifies as an "infant"?) Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:49, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per nom. Aiden Leos was six years old and had no living time in which to build up a notability in himself. His killing is tragic, but not unlike a million other fatal injustices which do not qualify for their own "Killing of" articles. There's something of the crusade about all such event articles. In the early days, "The Killing of George Floyd" was a campaign signature for Black Lives Matter, but Leos' killing was not motivated by race or creed, it was just perpetrated by someone with an obvious and everyday mental illness. Ref (chew)(do) 12:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article is about the killing of Leos (i.e., the event; not the individual). It's not a biography of his 6-year-old life. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and the perpetrator's "mental illness" -- as you call it -- is called "road rage" ... which is, with an incident of this scope, notable. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 15:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Insufficient information (the section about the shooting itself is literally blank), and infanticide, let alone shootings and road rage, occur far too often for one instance to have an article. AdoTang (talk) 13:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Improving an article is entirely different than deleting it. All articles start out as stubs; and grow over time. When's the last time you heard of a 6-year-old boy in the USA getting shot/killed in a road rage event? (And, as I mentioned in a comment above, this case has literally nothing to do with "infanticide".) Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Those statistics are totally irrelevant. Why are you mentioning them? The fact is that this incident clearly passes Wikipedia:GNG. Quote, "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Which this incident does. It has received extensive coverage -- both national and international -- not to mention, a significant and notable $500,000 reward. Is there a bona fide belief that this has not been followed in RS's? As I said, both national and international. This is not some "local news story". How is this fact even in dispute? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Wikipedia:GNG is a prerequisite, and can not be brought as the only reason to include myriads of WP:NOTNEWS articles: "Presumed means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article—perhaps because it violates what Wikipedia is not, particularly the rule that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information." • Huferpad talk 09:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let's see. This event has been covered by all of the following -- and many more -- reliable sources: (listed alphabetically)

  1. ABC
  2. Associated Press
  3. BBC - United Kingdom
  4. Boston Herald
  5. CBS
  6. Chicago Tribune
  7. CNBC
  8. CNN
  9. Court TV
  10. Daily Herald (United Kingdom) - United Kingdom
  11. Daily Mail - London
  12. Daily Mirror - United Kingdom
  13. Espanol News
  14. Federal News Network - Washington, D.C.
  15. Fox
  16. GoFundMe
  17. Good Morning America
  18. Hartford Courant - largest newspaper in Connecticut
  19. Hindustan Times - India
  20. Houston Chronicle
  21. Huffington Post
  22. Il Giorno - Italy
  23. Inside Edition
  24. Las Vegas Sun
  25. Los Angeles Times
  26. Miami Herald
  27. MSN
  28. NBC
  29. New York Daily News
  30. New York Post
  31. News Nation Now
  32. Newsweek
  33. Ohio News Times
  34. Oxygen (TV network)
  35. People (magazine)
  36. Reuters - an international news organization; one of the largest news agencies in the world
  37. Star Tribune - largest newspaper in Minnesota
  38. Telemundo
  39. The Hill (newspaper) - Washington, D.C.
  40. The Independent - Great Britain
  41. The New York Times - an American newspaper based in New York City with a worldwide readership; it has won 130 Pulitzer Prizes (the most of any newspaper); it has long been regarded within the industry as a national "newspaper of record"; it is ranked 18th in the world by circulation and 3rd in the U.S.A.
  42. The New Zealand Herald - New Zealand
  43. The Philadelphia Inquirer
  44. The Seattle Times
  45. The Sun (United Kingdom) - United Kingdom
  46. The Times - London
  47. The Times of India - the third-largest newspaper in India by circulation and the largest selling English-language daily in the world
  48. The Today Show
  49. The U.S. Sun
  50. The Washington Post - an American daily newspaper published in Washington, D.C.; it is the most-widely circulated newspaper within the Washington metropolitan area
  51. The Washington Times
  52. TMZ
  53. Toronto Star - Canada
  54. U.S. News & World Report
  55. United Press International (UPI) - an international news agency
  56. USA Today
  57. Yahoo!
  58. YouTube
  59. Additional, multiple national reliable sources
  60. Additional, multiple international reliable sources


All of the above -- and many more -- are reliable sources. And they are all, pretty much, the "big names" and the "heavy hitters" of reliable sources.

They include multiple reliable sources on a national level -- all 50 states, plus the DC -- and on an international level.

OK. So, we presume -- not guarantee -- notability.

That being said ... Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information.

"Indiscriminate" means "done at random or without careful judgment". (Oxford English Dictionary) (Source: [23].)

The probability that all of the above (60+) reliable sources decided at random -- or without careful judgment -- to detail this specific event (the killing of Aiden Leos) is precisely zero. Precisely.

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph, I am going to politely ask you to read WP:BLUDGEON. Ignoring the fact that multiple sources you've listed are not, as you claim, reliable (The Daily Mail, Inside Edition, and The New York Post, for instance, are all tabloid rags or infotainment), many of them fail WP:DIVERSE. I looked in the Philadelphia Inquirer, for instance, and saw that it was a news story from a member of the Associated Press. The exact same story ran in the San Francisco Examiner, and in U.S. News and World Report, and in The Seattle Times, and in The Daily Progress, and The Times-Union. As it says in WP:DIVERSE, Wide-ranging reporting tends to show significance, but sources that simply mirror or tend to follow other sources, or are under common control with other sources, are usually discounted. Like Huferpad said, GNG is not the end-all be-all, and many of the points raised by other editors in this discussion relate to WP:EVENT. Kncny11 (shoot) 18:47, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I am not "bludgeon"-ing anything. I am making valid points. And contributing to this discussion. Which is the whole point of an AfD. I listed some 60-odd sources. OK, let's assume (as you claim) that 2 or 3 of them are "not" RS's ... that still leaves the other 57 or 58. Of course, when a story is picked up by the AP, (or whatever service) ... it gets "repeated" in other RS's. That's the whole point of having a service like an AP. And to think that these 50+ sources were merely random in including this event is impossible. It passes GNG; and it's notable. It's in all the 50 states ... not to mention, many other nations. That is not "random" or "indiscriminate" reporting of an event. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:51, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:EVENT states: (a) Events are probably notable if they have enduring historical significance and meet the general notability guideline, or if they have a significant lasting effect. (b) Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources, especially if also re-analyzed afterwards (as described below) ... and so forth. WP:EVENT is bolstering my argument, not yours. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, at least for now. This incident has clearly received a far greater level of coverage than most incidents of a similar type, and there is already coverage distinct from the original incident, as can be seen here. Perhaps coverage will be limited to one news cycle, but I find such an outcome to be highly unlikely, and I reckon this article would be more likely to pass WP:10YT than not. Devonian Wombat (talk) 07:50, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:NOTNEWS. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 15:15, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The number of people publicly murdered with guns in the United States is so high that Wikipedia article proposals for such cases tend to not meet our inclusion criteria for reasons described in our general-purpose guidance at Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill and Wikipedia:I wouldn't know him from a hole in the ground. I agree that many of the sources for this topic circulating in off-wiki media are recycled press releases, which we do not count as additional media coverage. Journalism capacity in the United States off-wiki does not keep up with all the shootings, but in this case, we do have several rounds of media coverage here on the killing itself. The first round are shooting details including driving, going to kindergarten, and the escape of the accused killers. We have more coverage about a reward building to capture suspects, then another set of coverage for the memorial. After the arrests there was biographical profiling for the suspects. Whereas typical such events only produce one round of media coverage, here we already have several and I expect that within 2 years there will be a trial and result which will generate more coverage. Here are articles from difference sources and times which I assert makes this topic pass WP:GNG.
In looking at the repeated content publishing in so many articles, it looks like various media outlets claim access to special events in the victim's social circle then try to hold exclusivity in reporting what they find. I appreciate that user:Joseph A. Spadaro listed 60 outlets that reported this story; however, I agree with User:Kncny11 that this list is not helpful because almost all of these sources are just recycled, less reliable copies of original reporting from other outlets. We do not keep articles for getting lots of copied media coverage for single events, but we do keep Wikipedia articles for those few original stories and new perspectives over time. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:42, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Some comments: (A) I listed far more than 60 items ... some under the generic "umbrella" of "multiple additional national and international sources". Let's just say that they amount to, perhaps, an even number of 100 sources. Just to make it easy. (By the way, many articles were written in non-English ... so I did not even include them, as I myself could not read them ... but, nonetheless, they were clearly about this incident.) (B) The way that the news industry works is precisely how the AP and UPI Services work ... one or two media outlets get the story ... and the others "repeat it" ... that's how news / media works ... that's why we have an AP and a UPI ... so that each and every local newspaper / TV station / etc. does NOT have to go out and "re-invent the wheel" to specifically and individually cover each and every story by itself. It's like a "pool" and they all share the work; which keeps consistency in the details, facts, reporting, etc. (C) Do you think some local beat reporter in Alabama or New Hampshire -- who works in a small office, with few reporters -- is going to travel to California to "exclusively" interview the specific parties? It doesn't work that way. But -- nonetheless -- the small-town local news media in Alabama or New Hampshire still wants to detail this specific event in their media. They don't want / can't afford to do the leg-work, so they pay / subscribe to get the leg-work done. And still decide to feature it. This is not random or indiscriminate at all. (D) So -- even if we were to "liberally discount" (whatever that means) my 100 sources --- let's say that we end up with a "stream-lined list" (i.e., avoiding the duplicity, etc.). Using liberal definitions, we'd still have some 20, 25, 30 reliable sources. National and international. Which is plenty. OK, maybe there are not 100 ... but there certainly are 30. (Using very liberal math. And looking the other way and pretending that AP-duplicated stories don't "count", for some reason.) (E) I can find thousands of Wikipedia articles that don't meet the burden of listing 20, 25, 30 RS's (as this one does). (F) Bottom line: this is notable... nationally and internationally ... and merits a stand-alone article. Regardless of any "fuzzy math" that people want to employ. There are more than enough RS's out there. And it "passes" all of the other "obstacles" that deletion-ists want to throw against the kitchen wall, to see what sticks. Once again, WP:GNG presumes notability ... that presumption must be (significantly) rebutted. Which it has not been. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:25, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The incident happened on May 21, and it has been consistently covered since then (i.e., for the past three weeks). As an editor pointed out above ... the story has had "legs" several times since. (1) When the incident first happened. (2) In the days/weeks following, while the suspects were at large. (3) Police were seeking assistance; reward money grew consistently ... to reach $500,000. (4) Suspects found and arrested. (5) Memorial services for deceased boy are reported on. (6) A new facility was dedicated in the boy's name and legacy. Source: [24]. (7) A press conference is planned for Monday (June 14). Source: [25]. (8) I am quite sure that when the legal proceedings occur (court hearings, pleas, trials, verdicts, etc.), we will see the story again and again and again. So, the story / event had had (at least) eight "legs" of coverage, so far -- in just three weeks. A new building is being dedicated in his name / honor / legacy. Therefore -- contrary to your assertion -- it does meet WP:EVENT; i.e., it does have " ... lasting major consequences or affects a major geographical scope, [and] receives significant non-routine coverage that persists over a period of time". As such, WP:EVENT bolsters my argument; not yours. WP:EVENT is not an impediment strong enough to rebut the presumption of notability accorded per WP:GNG. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph A. Spadaro, no it doesn't meet nevent, this is a classic example of "omg, that could have been me or my friend shock/sensation" news reporting, starting with something so seemingly innocent that happens everyday, a driver cutting off another, leading to the shooting death of a child, of course its going to be covered by lots of media outlets but that doesn't mean it is significant enough to warrant a wikiarticle, similarly news coverage over 3 or 4 weeks does not necessarily get over the hurdle of "persists over a period of time". Coolabahapple (talk) 01:24, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Read WP:GNG. Notability is presumed, unless solidly rebutted. The incident only occurred three weeks ago. How would it possibly be covered farther back than three weeks ago? What does "persists over a period of time" mean to you, in your interpretation? Also ... it happens "every day" that a driver cuts off another driver and this leads to the shooting death of a child? Every day? I certainly was not aware. In fact, I think this rarely/never happens. Can you provide a reference for that (i.e., this being an every day occurrence)? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:48, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
apologies for the misunderstanding of my words, i meant the everyday occurrence is a driver cutting off another but than shock! horror! a child has been shot, so of course numerous news outlets will report on this incident. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:11, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
as for "Read WP:GNG.", WP:SBST under the Events subsection of the Common circumstances section is interesting: "Even a large number of news reports that provide no critical analysis of the event is not considered significant coverage. The Wikimedia project Wikinews covers topics of present news coverage." Coolabahapple (talk) 14:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Exactly. Cutting people off in traffic is indeed an every-day occurrence. Having a little child killed in a road rage incident is not. Hence, the notability / stand-alone article. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:00, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You may call it "bludgeoning", if you prefer. I would call it argumentation / discussion / raising valid points / rebutting counter-points raised. You know, the whole purpose of an AfD. And, furthermore, whatever semantics we use -- whether bludgeoning or discussing -- is wholly irrelevant to the question at hand (i.e., whether to keep or delete this article). Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. I'm not seeing lasting significance. -Indy beetle (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and Incubate per WP:DRAFTIFY, because this is still an evolving event. Wait! There is more to come. The offenders haven't even been tried yet, so we don't even know if this is potentially a murder at present. This impact of this sort of event might can take a couple of years to become apparent. In the future there will, no doubt, be a trial, conviction and sentence, possibly even an execution. As a result, more probably than not, someone will become notable for more than the very rare event of shooting a child dead, who was sitting in the back seat of a moving passenger car, while aiming at the mother. While this article is about an event that I would already consider notable because it is so unusual, it is likely to evolve over time into a full-blown article about someone or something. I would suggest the article be incubated until the fate of the offenders becomes clearer, at least. It seems pointless to me to delete an article about the victim of a crime when there is almost certainly going to be an article written about the offenders, once this case goes to trial, because this case is so unusual. Incubation will allow matters to be observed for a few months to see if there are going to be any lasting impact from this event. Already, there is the indication that a zoo facility bearing the child's name will exist. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 14:32, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:NOTNEWS or possibly Draftify per WP:TOOSOON. It's too early to tell if there is lasting significance beyond routine news coverage.4meter4 (talk) 22:52, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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My BEFORE search identified some passing mentions in books, but not enough sources to support a stand-alone article. I think a merge with, or redirect, to List of Battlestar Galactica characters might be appropriate. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:06, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep (for the 3rd time, apparently). There's lots of coverage of this character such as [26] for one example, as well as plenty of Mark Sheppard was also... bits about Supernatural and Leverage. Lampkin is covered in multiple academic papers and dissertations looking at the series as a whole, including [27], [28], [29], [30], [31]; and in books, including [32], [33]. No one's writing dissertations on Lampkin, but they're discussing him in significant ways in the context of sci-fi depictions of law. Note that the series has been off the air for more than a decade, and yet these still show continuing coverage of the character. Jclemens (talk) 23:04, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've started a source assessment table but am somewhat hampered by lack of access. Work in progress for now. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:18, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Screenrant Yes Yes No Passing mention: "Also, let’s not forget Romo Lampkin as a breakout character having his shining moment here." No
Battlestar Galactica: A Closed-System Fictional World (Favard) Yes Yes ? ? Unknown
Yost PhD Thesis Yes Yes No "Lee is reassigned as security for Gaius Baltar’s new lawyer, Romo Lampkin, in preparation for Baltar’s trial for crimes against

humanity" / "Lee solidifies his role as ethical conscience when Romo Lampkin places him on the witness stand during Baltar’s trial." /" Romo Lampkin, the final President of the Colonies, expresses surprise at the voluntary diaspora ..." / "Lampkin, Romo Lawyer who defends Baltar; last President of the Twelve Colonies" - I don't think there's enough depth to argue for significant coverage

No
“What a Glorious Moment in Jurisprudence”: Rhetoric, Law, and Battlestar Galactica (Kapica) Yes Yes ? ? Unknown
Interrogating absence: the lawyer in science fiction (Travis & Tranter) Yes Yes Yes About half a page of coverage. Yes
Tranter PhD Thesis Yes Yes Yes 9 mentions, includes analysis. Tranter is co-author of the journal article above. Yes
Battlestar Galactica: Investigating Flesh, Spirit and Steel Yes Yes No What I can see in preview is passing mentions, I might be persuaded otherwise with more detail. No
Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy: Knowledge Here Begins Out There Yes Yes No What I can see in preview is passing mentions, I might be persuaded otherwise with more detail. No

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  • I tried looking at the academic sources which User:BennyOnTheLoose couldn't access.
    • Battlestar Galactica: A Closed-System Fictional World can be accessed here: [34] But the coverage is plot summary only, and short at that, nothing to help with estabilishing notability of this character.
    • “What a Glorious Moment in Jurisprudence”: Rhetoric, Law, and Battlestar Galactica: I could access it from GScholar ([35]), but it may be b/c sometimes my university connection comes through. If you can't, check LibGen, it's on it. Anyway, it contains a significant plot summary of Lampkin's behavior during whichever episode features the trial discussed (end of S3 I think, The Son Also Rises (Battlestar Galactica) and Crossroads (Battlestar Galactica)?). It's in depth, but the focus is less on the character and more on the trial. Some quotes: "Much has been made in fan commentary about Romo Lampkin and his approach to Baltar’s defense. Key pieces to his strategy are opportunism and affectation: In addition to his dramatic vocal performances... Where Lampkin is most effective is in his use of cross-examination.... Lampkin’s opening sets a kind of precedent for the trial’s deviations from an American trial structure... By invalidating Tigh’s credibility, Lampkin invalidates the narrative constructed by the prosecution... Lampkin’s defense tactics bolster the ethos of the prosecution’s case. Later, during a recess between the testimony of Roslin and Lieutenant Gaeta, Lampkin addresses this: Responding to Baltar’s hope that he is winning, Lampkin tells him, “Our tactical victories are pissing them off.”". While this character name is mentioned almost 50 times, I don't believe the source is in-depth about the character - it is however very much in-depth about the trial. Overall, I think this article estabilishes the notability of the episodes discussed, but not of the character. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters. Not seeing enough in the sources found and analyzed below to meet GNG. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Additionally, discussion about a potential page move to Arrest of Munawar Faruqui or Arrests of Munawar Faruqui can continue on the article's talk page, if desired. North America1000 15:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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In February this year Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Munawar Faruqui was closed as delete, mostly on the basis of WP:1E arguments. The article was recreated on 4 June by AppuSunkad and nominated for speedy deletion under criterion G4 by Praxidicae the same day. I became aware of it via related RfD nominations (see below), assessed that the article had not addressed any of the arguments for deletion - none of the content was about any event post February 2021 and the only reference that did was being used to verify only a discography entry from 2020. While the article does include more references than previously, the concern was not verifiability but notability and this was not addressed. Having made the determination that it was sufficiently identical I executed the speedy deletion but Vanamonde93 contested that on my talk page. A good faith objection that a page meets a speedy deletion criterion automatically means it doesn't (absent legal issues or private evidence, and I'm not aware of either in this case) so I've restored the article and brought it here. For clarity, this is not just a procedural nomination, I am advocating for deletion as I do not believe the subject is notable.

The relevant RfD nominations are for Faruqui and Munawar - Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 4#Faruqui and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 4#Munawar. I'll be restoring the redirects after completing this AfD nomination but wont be reopening the RfDs as they will be deleted (WP:CSD#G8) if this is closed as delete, should probably remain if the outcome here is keep and will need a different discussion if consensus is to merge or redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Somewhat hesitant keep. Sure, most of his press coverage is about his arrest, but when the event in question doesn't have an article, BLP1E isn't really an argument to delete so much as an argument to reframe the article as one about the event. The event in question received international press coverage [36], [37], [38], and [39], and some of it came substantially after the arrest itself; [40]. A good many sources provide biographical coverage, too; see this for instance; yes, I know it's an interview, but the blurb that precedes the interview is substantive. A reasonable case could be made for retitling the article as an alternative to a short biography, but I don't see how all this coverage can be dismissed entirely. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Rapid or near-as-damnit rapid recreations of AfD'd articles always get my Spidey sense tingling. I agree that deletion criteria have been met. doktorb wordsdeeds 21:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename the page to Arrest of Munawar Faruqui. This is better than a delete seeing that the arrest is what makes the subject prominent. All the sources point in that direction. VV 04:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I believe this person on whom the article has been made is notable or he became notable after the incident. The standup comedians from whole Asia and even from America has raised questions against his arrest, stating the violation of freedom of speech. Moreover he is a youtuber with more than 1 million subscribers and with more than 50k subscribers in his alternate vlogging channel. Jogesh 69 (talk) 05:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He had a major role in a significant, well documented event, so 2nd para of WP:1E applies here which states that If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. The assassins of major political leaders, such as Gavrilo Princip, fit into this category, as indicated by the large coverage of the event in reliable sources that devotes significant attention to the individual's role. & para 4 of WP:1E doesn't apply here(as this was not a minor event), so Redirect is no good option as well. He is also quite notable as per 1st point (for victim) of WP:CRIME. As an entertainer, he also qualify 2P of WP:ENTERTAINER as he has very large fan base (1.11M on main YT channel, 50k on alt YT channel). Noteworthy to say that He is still getting coverage from media, here's the 6 days old article about him from The Hindu,(mostly discusses Munawar Faruqui in particular). (Also note that if there's a quite large english language coverage about him, then there must be more bigger coverage in Hindi press & local indian languages press.) Abdulhaseebatd (talk) 13:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per the last AFD. This is nothing more than 1E puffery. BEACHIDICAE🌊 20:07, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Seems like a WP:1E to me; only notable for his arrest. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:1E.4meter4 (talk) 20:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Vanamonde's reasoning. We certainly could rename and restructure the article so it was about the incident, but notability is clearly established and we don't have an event article, as such WP:BLP1E doesn't support deletion, it just supports...changing. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to List of Left Behind characters. ♠PMC(talk) 07:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a notable character. Most sources go to "Critical reception", but said reception is extremely trivial at best (oh, "one critic" confused him with a baseball player, how excellent). AdoTang (talk) 15:56, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable television film, does not have significant coverage by independent sources, per WP:NF and WP:GNG BOVINEBOY2008 00:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - Fails the WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. The article lists three "critical reviews", but in one of them I can't find any kind of score or review, one of them is neither from a reliable source nor a known critic, and one of them is simply a score with no actual review or coverage. Searching for any additional sources turns up pretty much nothing worthwhile - its listed in articles on roles that Alexandra Paul has appeared in and that's about it. Rorshacma (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Rorshacma. The article has no reliable sources. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:28, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The "critical reviews" criterion in NFILM is not automatically passed just because it's possible to find IMDB-like film directories that include star ratings in the profiles — it requires analytical content assessing the film's strengths and weaknesses as a movie, written by established and bylined film critics and published in real reliable sources such as major newspapers or books. Which means that zero of the footnotes here qualify as notability-building sources, because the only one that actually includes any sort of analysis comes from an unreliable personal blog. Bearcat (talk) 01:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: the cited reviews do not pass WP:NFILM. Anonymous 7481 (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:44, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not appear to meet WP:NACTOR, filmography consists of minor roles in TV, commercials and music videos. Nominated as it has been recreated multiple times and draftified twice. See comment on AfC draft by Bearcat at Draft:Leela Owen as well.  A S U K I T E  01:15, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - I wanted to note that I nominated this because I couldn't find an appropriate CSD, but the repeated recreation of this article seems disruptive. If it moves things along quicker to simply delete via CSD and this does not get any traction, let me know and I will withdraw this.  A S U K I T E  01:24, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nomination withdrawn - As the article has been draftified again by the creator, I feel that there isn't any need to go through this process right now. Sorry for any inconvenience I caused by closing this, I was fumbling with using XfDCloser for the first time and am still slightly new to the AfD process.  A S U K I T E  02:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable television film, cannot find significant coverage by independent reliable sources, does not meet WP:NF and WP:GNG BOVINEBOY2008 00:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. plicit 03:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks like a puff piece for a non-notable author. Created by an obvious SPA, User:WorldNationMedia. See File:AJTemple2.jpg, which is the user's "own work."

Fails GNG with no non-trivial mentions in the included sources. Definitely fails WP:AUTHOR. Obvious WP:PROMO and should be deleted. AlexEng(TALK) 00:45, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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