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Dictionary definition without potential for growth. The term is certainly used by all kinds of sources including media, books, and journal articles, but I can't find significant coverage on the concept itself, which suggests it's not a notable one. Lennart97 (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I appreciate the expansion so far by BathTub, but as far as I can see none of these sources address the topic of crypto-communism "directly and in detail", which would be necessary to establish the concept's notability per GNG. If a source mentions "crypto-communists" but doesn't even define the term, instead considering it self-evident that a crypto-communist is simply a secretive communist, I'd say that just confirms it is not an independently notable topic. Lennart97 (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A source does not need to define the term for it to be considered significant coverage, but #4 does anyway. #1 has two pages on an instance of crypto-communism, the entirety of #2 discusses the relationship between crypto communism and soviet propaganda, and crypto-communism is the main subject of #3. I consider that to constitute significant coverage. SailingInABathTub (talk) 20:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. #1 seems decent indeed as it discusses actual instances of crypto-communism, more of that kind would definitely help. I can't access #2 but it seems #3 and #4 are more so about suspicions of crypto-communism, which is not quite the same; of course there's plenty to be said about all kinds of persecution of suspected communists. #4 specifically introduces the concept of crypto-communism with "This belief led to rampant, vague suspicions and the notions of the crypto-communist, fellow traveler, or sympathizer.", which also makes me wonder how much overlap there is with fellow traveler, though that does seem to be something of a distinct concept. Anyway, I'm not necessarily against keeping at this point, just a bit curious about what the scope of it would actually be. If it's going to be mostly about suspicions of (crypto)communism, then I suppose it could easily be expanded with content about various red scares, McCarthyism etc. Lennart97 (talk) 21:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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This article has been tagged for notability, WP:COI, WP:OR and promo-tone since 2011. It appears to be an AUTOBIO per [1] creator's original name: Pa2alanreed. While there are quite a few citations, several are permanently dead (I was able to recover only a few thru archive.org), or are trivial mentions or did not mention him at all. I tried cleaning up, but I'm uncertain if he meets our notability criteria for artists WP:NARTISTS. I couldn't find any work in notable gallery or museum collections; he does not seem to be a important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors; has not developed a new or unique technique; nor created a well-known body of work. No important awards (being a "runner up" for an award does not confer notability.) Yes, he has shown his work, is skilled, and he runs his own gallery which sells his own work, but is that enough? A BEFORE search did not reveal anything (perhaps because he has a common name.) Bringing it here for input from the community. Netherzone (talk) 23:38, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see any significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. His work does not appear in any collections of notable museums, there is no monograph, and while his work occasionally appears on the secondary market, the estimates and prices achieved at auction are low. Reed has a website where he posts reviews, https://alanreed.com/reviews-and-testimonies-alan-reed-art/, but those reviews are by his customers, not independent reviewers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vexations (talk • contribs)
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Doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:FILMMAKER notability. Mainly, this biography seems to be too soon - Fjellman only has one feature length film, and I'm not finding much significant coverage on him overall.
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Article about a television documentary film, not properly sourced as passing our notability criteria for films or television content. The notability claim here is essentially that the film existed, with no apparent evidence (noteworthy awards, critical attention, etc.) of any significant distinctions, and the article is "referenced" to a raw unfootnoted list of citations that aren't support for notability: two of the three come from media outlets that were directly involved in the creation of the film, and thus aren't independent of the film for the purposes of helping to validate its significance, while the third is a person's self-published personal website rather than a GNG-worthy media outlet. None of this is enough to establish notability. Bearcat (talk) 20:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:IAR and WP:CREEP. I’m unable to see how the encyclopedia or reader experience is improved by following the destructive Afd and notability guidelines which indicate this and many other informative and factually accurate articles about topics with verifiable existence need to be deleted. The guidelines need to be revamped to remove their destructive effects, but in the meantime we must simply ignore them per IAR, a pillar policy. —В²C☎16:16, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
IAR is not a free "get out of ever actually having to follow any rules at all" pass. The reader experience would not be improved by waiving any requirement for our articles to be independently sourced or pass any notability criteria — the end result of that would be that we wouldn't be an encyclopedia anymore, but a free public relations platform for people to just write anything they damn please without regard to whether the information was accurate or even interesting. IF we waive sourcing rules, for example, then people can lie in Wikipedia articles because they don't have to cite any sources to verify anything — and if we waive notability rules, then we have to keep an article about every single person or thing that ever existed at all. Bearcat (talk) 18:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Doesn't pass GNG or WP:NFILM. Also, it has been citation-less for 10 years. It's not even in IMDb. If it's not notable enough for anyone to ever put a citation on it, or add it to IMDb, it doesn't need to be in Wikipedia. Platonk (talk) 23:18, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteIt does exist, but I can't say anything more about it. Just because it's a film doesn't make it notable - I don't see how this is more notable than the article in Readers Digest July 1966 it is based on. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 23:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. With the sources on the article currently, the article easily meets WP:GNG. WP:AFC is not a mandatory process. The circumstances of the article's creation and AFD nomination do lend themselves to suspicion of WP:GAMING the system and I'll be bringing that up with the Checkusers, but the article stands on its own merits. Aervanath (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. We don't seem to have a specific WP:NSPORTS section for lacrosse players, but he's played at the professional level since 2018, and a number of the article's sources look like they're in-depth enough to pass WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. I certainly wouldn't say there are no such sources. clpo13(talk)18:48, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Clpo13 Just found this Draft:Dylan Maltz, so this is essentially a way to game the system (WP:GAMING). Looks like a good job done by the UPE (hiding declared paid history). I am suspicious that they have nominated this article by themselves in order to get it approved fast. 79.66.223.74 (talk) 13:54, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify as per my recent findings. Created by a SPA who haven't even defended this because they just move on. This is WP:GAMING at best. An AfC reviewer should review the article. If the article creator is reading this, then please provide WP:THREE sources so we can review. A cursory look shows the coverage is WP:ROUTINE and this fails WP:NOTNEWS. 79.66.223.74 (talk) 13:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep This horse just barely meets our SNG for race horses. According to Equibase, he did win a grade one, the Arlington-Washington Futurity in 1989. WP:HEY is probably a bit of a challenge, as his prime years were pre-Google. But I’ll throw in what sources I can find. Montanabw(talk)20:16, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Almost none of those on Arlington-Washington Futurity Stakes have articles, and many of the bluelinks aren't even for the horses! I call total BS that winning a single minor race means you can say "Screw you, significant coverage!" A "presumption" of meeting GNG does not mean it actually does. Hansel (horse), who won it the next year, says this race is Grade II. Reywas92Talk06:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Reywas92:, first off, be nice and assume good faith. Don’t call “BS” on people making solid discussion remarks. You can disagree without being disagreeable.Second, graded stakes races can change over the years. Some are upgraded and others downgraded, it depends on a number of factors, such as purse money offered, etc. According to Equibase, which is the standard statistical database for horse races in the USA, the Arlington-Washington futurity was a G1 at the time this horse won it… had it not been, then yes, the horse would not meet the SNG at WP:NHORSERACING. Like I said above, there’s a line, and this horse is probably a good example pf just where the line is drawn. Montanabw(talk)03:48, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very Weak Keep As a stub which has not had any improvement I loathe to keep such articles. If it resurfaces because it passes WP:SNG then there better be improvement in the area of why it deserves to have an article. One liners like this that have been around for 10 years+ and no one has made an effort to improve are understandingly on the chopping block. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 16:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Stefan Weber has no international relevancy. He is minimally relevant in the German-speaking world. He has a lemma in the German-language Wikipedia that has been in deletion discussions for years. Why he has an international lemma here and thus advertises himself, I don't understand and it is not covered by the Wikipedia rules regarding relevance. It can and must therefore be deleted. Everyone-is-awesome (talk) 09:19, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Explicit:: Why is this article still not deleted? As there is no single argument to keep this article from any user, I don't understand, why it is still online 11 days after the start of the deletion-process and 4 days after your relist. 80.108.253.13 (talk) 14:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Does this mean, that every locally relevant person, without any international relevancy can have an international lema? Cause then I will start to copy a lot of persons into the english wikipedia.80.108.253.13 (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It makes absolutely no difference whether I like him or not. But I would like to know what criteria this lema should fulfil. Other entries are constantly being deleted that have much more relevance than this entry.80.108.253.13 (talk) 14:18, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. there are sufficient books to presume that it meets WP:AUTHOR. It would help if reviews of his books were added --then there would be no question about notability by our rules. DGG ( talk ) 07:32, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, he seems to pass WP:GNG on coverage such as this and plenty of other sources in this and the German version of the article. And yes, if someone is notable in Germany they're notable elsewhere, and if the IP wishes to start translating articles of notable people without coverage on English wikipedia that would be great. Rusalkii (talk) 04:09, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Subject does not meet notability standards. All coverage on google news and archive is restricted to two pages of results from local or regional primary sources. No indication of any notable events or achievements beyond his role as the administrator of low-profile rural university, before or after his hiring in 2015. Only linked article is the one for the university. Nothing in the article indicates evidence to the contrary. VibrantThumpcake (talk) 20:45, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep. This is an entirely invalid nomination. Per WP:NACADEMIC, Academics meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable...The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society.. As a university president, that makes Insko notable. Additionally, this seems like a coordinated deletion effort by two newly-created users. The page was proposed for deletion incorrectly by 76.168.132.234 and then nominated for deletion incorrectly by VibrantThumpcake. I think it would be helpful for that user to read WP:SOCK. KidAd • SPEAK20:53, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not a sock puppet or "coordinated campaign", I just forgot to log in to my account prior to initially proposing deleting. But yeah, that was me, not trying to deceive anyone. Also, my account is not new, nor is this my first valid AfD nomination. The author cites a criteria that requires a MAJOR institution. EOU does not rise to that level of significance. The article for the university itself does not indicate any departments or faculty of prominence within their respective fields, and no previous administrators have warranted their own article. The subject does not meet any other criteria for academic notability, and the article seems mostly promotional for the subject.VibrantThumpcake (talk) 21:29, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy KEEP per WP:NACADEMIC. Presidents of major academic institutions basically get their own Wikipedia articles and the subject qualifies. I'd also do a bit of Google Search and Google News search - plenty of reliable secondary sources in which he's featured, interviewed, etc. to expand this article. Missvain (talk) 20:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: what definition of "major" is being used here? At just over 100 full-time faculty, this entire school is smaller than many single departments at other universities. -- asilvering (talk) 00:40, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Given the additional sources found by VincentGod11, it is unlikely that any consensus to delete will form here. The article should be updated accordingly to clarify the new sources and clarify the notability. Aervanath (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Start-up airline that does not meet corporate notability and has not begun operations. Naïve Google search shows that the airline is being started up. We knew that. This article does not speak for itself and does not say why the airline is notable, other than that it will exist. An analysis of the references shows that they are mostly press releases and interviews.
Number
Reference
Remarks
Independent
Significant
Reliable
Secondary
1
Forbes India
A review of Indian airlines. Passing mention of new airline
Yes
No
Yes
2
Moneycontrol
A press release, says that airline has received No Objection certificate
No
Yes
Yes
No
3
Moneycontrol
Another press release about registration of airline
No
Yes
Yes
No
4
CNBCTV 18
Press release about No Objection certificate
No
Yes
Yes
No
5
Timesnownews
Another press release about No Objection certificate
No
Yes
Yes
No
6
Businessworld
An interview of CEO, mostly about plans to operate
No
Yes
Yes
No
7
Deccan Herald
Press release about NOC
No
Yes
Yes
No
8
Airways Mag
Article about four new Indian airlines
Yes
No
Yes
9
Livemint.com
Interview with lead investor about plans to operate
No
Yes
Yes
No
10
Sify.com
Press release about plans to operate in 2022
No
Yes
Yes
No
This is one of two copies, in draft space and in article space. The draft was declined, so the originator also created it in article space. This may be done to prevent being moved to draft space.
The airline will be notable when it begins operation. It may be notable if there has been in-depth coverage of its startup, but the references do not show that, and the Google search does not show that. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:13, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Could the nominator please explain their assertion that nearly every source in the article is merely a republished press release? The CNBCTV18 source, for instance, has both an author and an editor credited, which suggests to me that it's actual news reporting. Mlb96 (talk) 02:36, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The airline is for sure in the start-up phase right now but it is definitely a legit business venture headed by one of the top Indian investors and businessman Rakesh Jhunjhunwala. The sources used in the article are all reliable sources which all show that the airline is indeed real and will be up in the skies within a few months. In the end, I would vote to keep the article. The airline will be starting soon and the sources all show that it is nothing fake. Yellow alligator (talk)
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Comment Akasa Air has ordered 72 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft at the Dubai Airshow 2021. Is this not enough evidence to show that the airline is definitely legit? They now have even ordered a major airftact deal and they have backed by major investors as well as businessmen. I don't see any reason why the page needs to get deleted. Yellow alligator (talk)
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The article subject fails WP:NGO by lacking WP:ORGDEPTH-level coverage in multiple WP:ORGIND-compliant reliable secondary sources. Sources currently in the article do not provide this, nor do sources I have been able to encounter online. A full source analysis table of the sources in the article will be listed below as a separate comment to further demonstrate this. The article has previously been deleted per WP:G11 and the current version of the article contains paid contributions. Given the article subject fails to be notable, though its founder appears to be notable and has a Wikipedia page, I propose that this article be redirected to Sam Prince (humanitarian). — Mhawk10 (talk) 21:28, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is a peer-reviewed medical journal that would likely be WP:MEDRS-compliant.
~ There is a sub-paragraph mention of the "One Disease program in NT" that describes some items that appear to be related to this charity. It does not appear to gover the full charity in-depth, and the relative lack of space appears to not qualify it for WP:ORGDEPTH-level coverage.
~ The article states that the organization received a donation and describes its work in NT. Fewer than one-hundred words in the ABC's voice appear to provide coverage of the NGO itself.
Multiple authors of the paper note that they are affiliated with One Disease.
It's published in a peer-reviewed medical journal.
The journal article covers a program that was jointly administered by One Disease, Miwatj Health Aboriginal Corporation, and he NT Government Department of Health. The program itself receives significant coverage, but One Disease itself does not.
This bears the logomark of One Disease and it appears to be the case that One Disease was responsible for the creation of the content based upon the cover slide.
? The Australia Capital Territory's government is independent of One Disease. It is not clear who was responsible for the creation of the content, so it is unknown whether this complies with WP:ORGIND.
? It is not clear the extent to which the content receives editorial oversight.
One Disease gets mentioned in one sentence, Sam established One Disease in 2010, a non-profit organisation to systematically eliminate one disease at a time.
Weak keep I'm trying not to maintain a super-hawkish stance re notability of humanitarian nonprofits, so looking to find the reasons for keeping here. I think if the currently unsourced paragraph on making scabies a notifiable disease could be well cited, that would make for a reasonable claim to substantial impact on the field. Also found this[1], which while a clearly sympathetic interview, is at least partly analytical and from a solid publication. - Having said that, merging further material to the section at Sam Prince (humanitarian) wouldn't be the end of the world either. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 00:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I can't access the source immediately (I will try to figure out a way to do so). But, in any case, doesn't WP:NORG require multiple independent RS that have independent content? If it's an interview with the founder, this typically would fail that requirement. And, if the scope of the NGO's activities is less than national or international in scale (i.e. it basically only works in the Northern Territories), wouldn't that still be a failure to meet either necessary condition of WP:NGO? — Mhawk10 (talk) 03:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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^Hudson, S. (2011). "One disease at a time: eradicating scabies in East Arnhem Land.[Inspirational leadership can make a difference to Aboriginal health.]". Policy: A Journal of Public Policy and Ideas. 27 (2): 23–25.
DeleteKeep The subject is referenced in multiple reliable national news sources with editorial overview. It is referenced by multiple Government agencies. It is referenced in peer reviewed journals. See here for example. While some of these are weak references, some seem to be quite strong. Aoziwe (talk) 10:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mhawk10. Changing my !vote to delete. Actually I now agree with you. The "Crusted Scabies Elimination Program" (CSEP) is (clearly) notable. It is the subject of my "strong" references. All of the good, independent material is about the CSEP, run by One Disease, not about One Disease itself, and N is not inherited. Aoziwe (talk) 10:16, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable author, academic. I googled in Bangla and English but didn't find any significant coverage that addresses the topic directly and in detail (fails WP:SIGCOV). The person didn't won any major award or anything similar. Fails WP:AUTHOR, WP:PROF. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 20:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If not kept, Draftify as requested (in practice) by the creating editor. No-one else has added substantial content (others have removed "eminent", tweaked capitalisation etc, added categories). Allow the creating editor to work on the article further, outside mainspace. I can't evaluate the existing sources to see whether or not they support notability. PamD12:30, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Entirely unsourced article, with the only reference noted being the Hebrew Wikipedia. I have no idea if any of this is real or not, but as it stands if one removes all material lacking an inline citation per WP:V there is quite literally nothing left. Nableezy20:01, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Did you check for additional sources per WP:BEFORE? It looked for 30 seconds and I found 1996 articles in the New York Times[2], LA Times[3], and Mideast Quarterly[4]. Plus an analysis from 2000 in the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, [5] and 2014 retrospective in the Jerusalem Post[6].
Like I said, if one were to remove every sentence lacking an inline citation what is left is an empty article. Yes, not having a single source is a reason to delete it. Its been five years since this was created. Not a single source has been cited in that time. nableezy - 20:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, this article seems to have degraded severely in time, with an IP editor replacing the sourced version with an entirely unsourced account. Reverting and withdrawing. nableezy - 22:16, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Six years after the article was deleted I can’t still see this independent musical organization passing our notability criteria. They lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. Celestina007 (talk) 19:37, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. None of the references is anything remotely like substantial coverage of the subject in an independent source, nor have I seen anything anywhere else which suggests that this company comes near to satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines. JBW (talk) 21:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: (The article refers to the label in the present tense, but I haven't been able to find any mention of any record released more recently than 2005, so I wonder whether it is still in existence, as the article implies. Obviously that isn't in itself a reason for deletion, but it does raise doubts about the reliability of the article.) JBW (talk) 21:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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I scoured the web for sources, and this article is unsalvageably unreferenced. The only coverage that I found was just passing mentions of it in articles about RHPS in general. Because there were no sources covering this song alone, it fails WP:NSONGS. I don’t think we should delete the page, however; I propose we just redirect it to The Rocky Horror Picture Show (soundtrack). Helen(💬📖) 18:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: qualifies WP:NACTOR; she is currently playing lead role in Ghum Hai Kisikey Pyaar Mein and she had significant role (she didn't play the lead role but she was main cast) in Doli Armaano Ki and Zindagi Abhi Baaki Hai Mere Ghost. There is no clear definition of 'significant' in WP:NACTOR, in this case she did have a lead role in a notable TV serial, so we should give some weightage to other notable serials she acted in as well. If she didn't have a lead role in a notable TV show and she wasn't a main cast then I would have voted delete. Eevee01(talk)07:23, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: don't meet WP:NACTOR, I voted keep earlier because I saw that she was main cast in other show. I didn't know it was edited days before I voted to keep it [7]. I should have been more careful. Also I tried to find non-trivial mention of her before Ghum Hai Kisi Ke Pyaar Mai (2020) but I couldn't find anything. Eevee01(talk)06:13, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Are there any reviews for shows other than Ghum Hai Kisikey Pyaar Meiin that have more than a passing mention of Singh? That's helpful for determining significance of roles. Ravensfire (talk) 03:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note to closing admin, the other TV serials have been edited by participants here to make this look like she has a main role in those. May please proceed with caution. Also, I sense sockpuppetry and COI here. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 23:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't looked into this case but it's happened before editors added actors or wannabe film stars to cast lists of movies and TV series during a deletion discussion. LizRead!Talk!06:56, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I cleaned up the references and added (an insignificant) one. Seems notable enough, there's some detailed in-depth stuff. Nfitz (talk) 06:11, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: An article about a company, mentioning a project on which they worked, awards to an individual associated with the company, and the sequence of subsequent takeovers, whose final destination under Bell Canada is too remote to serve as a redirect. No convincing evidence that the company attained notability during its lifespan. The suggested redirect to SchoolNet may be an option, though the company has only a passing mention there. AllyD (talk) 08:32, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means, nothing that relies on company information or announcements or interviews, etc. None of the references in the article meet the criteria. I have been unable to find any references that meet NCORP criteria, topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing++ 17:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Though an interesting topic, I do not see that the comparison between Interlingue and Interlingua is covered per se in the sources cited by the article. As such, this article seems to be WP:OR/WP:SYNTH, and should be deleted per WP:DELREASON #14. I am open to withdrawing this nomination if additional and relevant sources are provided. JBchrchtalk17:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: the article was begun by me after the Good Article review for the page on Interlingue, which the reviewer believed was almost too much information in a single package: "I think Interlingue could really benefit from this treatment. There is already plenty in the article to unpack into separate History of Interlingue and Grammar of Interlingue articles to go with our other auxlang coverage. And I see places that would suggest Comparison of Esperanto and Interlingue and especially Comparison of Interlingua and Interlingue, given how easily they get confused." Out of those, the comparison between it and Interlingua and the History of Interlingue (not started yet) are the easiest for me. I can put some more work into it over the next few days as I pull the relevant parts out of Interlingue to make it more concise. Mithridates (talk) 00:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Mithridates: Thanks for your comment. Here's a proposition: can you provide WP:THREE sources comparing Interlingue and Interlingua? I don't need to see how you will integrate them in the article and will AGF if they are offline sources. If you can just give me three refs comparing both languages, I will withdraw the nomination. JBchrchtalk02:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again! This is quite a coincidence, as I had just added three sources directly comparing the two and came back to add a comment. All of them are offline (two published in the 1950s, one from the Journal of Universal Language in 2011). They are references #10 (Manifesto de Interlingua, 1959), 17 (The Case of Correlatives: A Comparison between Natural and Planned Languages, 2011), and 18 (Li defectes inacceptabil de Interlingua Gode, 1957). Mithridates (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Nom reason is QuiteUnusal. GNG is not applicable. It is not a press releases or funding related. Check these independent sources in Economic Times [8], The Fortune [9], Business Today [10]. All defining what it is and how it differs from existing investment products. They also discuss disadvantages. No press release or their recycles would have those.Aloolkaparatha (talk) 14:02, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems to pass WP:CORPDEPTH. I see nominator's point of view when they say it is recycled because a lot of sources are explaining what Smallcase is. But, there is plenty of independent commentary and analysis that helps it cross WP:CORPDEPTH. Folks are going to hate me for writing a long comment again but the intent is to just provide examples to support the opinions. See the CNBC article [11]. It says One issue, however, is do the smallcase managers have the research bandwidth and prowess of a traditional money management set-up? Second, you will have to pay higher taxes. Because every time you sell a stock, you pay short-term capital gains tax, unlike in a mutual fund set up (you pay when you redeem your units). So, the overall tax burden in this structure would be much higher. Third, there is concentration risks of a particular strategy or theme or sector. And lastly, it is still a relatively new way of going about investing and it has only seen a bull market. Its true test will be when the cycle turns and things get ugly. This Hindu Business Line article analyses this in parallel to mutual funds [12], saying But do note that choosing a smallcase to fit your risk profile or return requirements is left to you and so is the timing of your entry or exit, which will decide your returns. In mutual funds, you can choose the right fund based on a track record, category and benchmark comparisons. When choosing smallcases, you may only have back-tested returns and risk indicators to go by. Research and understanding of companies and markets are a prerequisite for investing in smallcases. The Should You Consider section of this Economic Times one is also nice [13]. In fact, the article concludes by saying For investors who are less involved, mutual funds should remain the preferred route to equities. These coverages are not funded related, have independent commentary and are in depth. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 01:48, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that boils down to whether you believe that is coverage of the company, or actually coverage of an existing thing - the "smallcase" approach to investing. To me it looks like the equivalent of finding a minor unnotable start up social media platform and using it to anchor an article about the benefits of using social media rather than the company itself. Just my view. QuiteUnusual (talk) 08:31, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You make a very solid point. What I understand is that this approach is unique to this company. At least in India I think. Hence, talking about the approach (which becomes a unique and sole product of this company in a manner of speaking) is talking about the company. But yes, for example, if it was another ecommerce selling books and coverage was about how selling books online is great or bad, it won't have any merit at all. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 02:20, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NCORP requires multiple sources (at least two) of deep or significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. That means first of all, articles that discuss the *company* - not their products or their executives and nothing that relies on company information or announcements or interviews, etc. None of the references in the article meet the criteria. I have been unable to find any references that meet NCORP criteria, topic fails WP:NCORP. HighKing++ 15:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ HighKing, I wanted to check with you on what you think about WP:PRODUCTREV in WP:NCORP. I wanted to ask it before and then it slipped. This might be a good venue to discuss it. Also, WP:CORPDEPTH does mention product. It is saying Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization.Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 16:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Nomadicghumakkad, the first sentence in NCORP - to help determine whether an organization (commercial or otherwise), or any of its products and services, is a valid subject for a separate Wikipedia article dedicated solely to that organization, product, or service. PRODUCTREV is *not* implying that an article on the product may be used to establish the notability of the company or vice versa. Also, I note that when the article was AfDed, the topic of the article was the company but Behind the moors changed the topic to be the platform after many !votes had already been made. It should be noted that the term "smallcase" also appears to have been adopted as an industry term to describe a "professionally managed basket of stock/EFTs" with this website listing a number of managers/advisors who provide "smallcase" investment advice and therefore one must look at each reference to ensure it is actually discussing the topic company or their platform. Most of the references explain the concept of a "smallcase" portfolio and point to brokerages and agencies with smallcase offerings, most provide a cookie cutter description of the company, but none meet CORPDEPTH *and* ORGIND. Regardless of whether the topic is the platform or the company, NCORP still requires topics to meet all of the criteria (see WP:SIRS). An analysis of the references shows the following:
This from moneycontrol is not about the topic company nor their platform but instead discusses smallcases as professionally managed baskets of stocks/Efts similar to other articles such as this one.
Hindu Business Online reference is about the company but fails ORGIND as it relies entirely on information provided by the company and provides no "Independent Content" such as the journalist's analysis/opinion/etc other than the lede which says it is "giving mutual funds a run for its money" but that isn't even close to the in-depth content required.
This Hindu Businessline reference is an article to primarily explain the generic idea of a "smallcase" and while it makes a passing reference to the topic company and provides a short description of what they do and their partners, the article does not provide in-depth information nor provide "Independent Content" on the topic company. Reference fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND.
Forbes India article is a puff piece on the company and relies entirely on information provided by the company and the executives. It is marketing. There is no "Independent Content" and it fails WP:ORGIND
BusinessToday reference is a decent article which takes information from a variety of difference sources and people (including the topic company and their executives) to provide an explanation and description of smallcase products and how to get started. But I cannot see any in-depth information on the company which clearly contains "Independent Content".
This LiveMint reference is similarly decent and I could describe it the same way as the BusinessToday reference above - but equally it fails NCORP for the same reasons as above.
This second LiveMint reference relies entirely on information provided by the company and their CEO and does not contain any in-depth "Independent Content".
Economic Times reference is entirely based on a press release made by the company, fails ORGIND.
TechCrunch article is similarly based entirely on a funding announcement by the company, fails ORGIND.
This next Economic Times reference, like the Hindu Business reference, the Business Today reference and the first LiveMint reference, is primarily a primer on explaining what "smallcase"'s are, how they work and lists the ones that have performed well. But it is conspicuously *not* an in-depth article on the actual topic company nor their platform - fails CORPDEPTH
APN News reference is a Press release for an announcement by IIFL Securities, fails CORPDEPTH and ORGIND
I think there may be a case for an article on "managed stock baskets" or similar in which case there would be room to mention the topic company, but right now an article for this company is WP:TOOSOON as the "concept" is still being promoted and the only articles are either promotional or based on announcements (run-of-the-mill) or are trying to explain the more generic idea of a smallcase basket and how readers can get started. HighKing++ 14:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment* The page is not having much clear content, and it can be taken in the right direction, that was my point. Nom questioned on GNG, so my logic is correct. It's better to extend it as a product, and it is notable too. Behind the moors (talk) 12:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It can't be taken anywhere if it fails the criteria for establishing notability. Changing the article's topic from the company to the platform hasn't achieved that either. See above.. HighKing++ 13:18, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, yes funding and all related are not helpful but I might not agree for notability because the analysis is also there. It's good to have multiple opinions, I shared mine but I liked your thinking pattern also. Behind the moors (talk) 15:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's funny but smallcase is a product of a smallcase company. As a product it is passing WP:GNG based on the above sources. The content should be extended as a product, currently its too short and not much detailed. Knowing about such concepts will help readers. Rest, I got this fintech report about smallcase. [14]. It is similar to bitcoin as a product, not a company. Behind the moors (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A different investing technique with diverse sources talking about the company passing WP:NCORP. Nom is concerned about WP: GNG which is also passing. Few more sources like [15], [16], [17] are enough to establish notability. Mtpos (talk) 04:34, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources like this comparing smallcase with Mutual funds. For example, in this source [18] Hence, the expense on an investment of ₹1 lakh in a smallcase is ₹250 as against ₹1,500 in an MF. There is also a table comparison in the source. Above sources and such are helping to pass notability.Juggyevil (talk) 18:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete per HighKing. Potentially notable but WP:NOTJUSTYET. You've got a long deletion log and a bunch of promotional versions in the article history. Even the current version can be considered to be promotional: Any investor can create its own model portfolio (smallcases) or invest in professionally managed smallcases. smallcases reduce risk of investment through diversification along with the flexibility to modify the portfolio according to the investor’s preference. If it is kept, the article could use some eyes or pending changes protection to keep a check on any further attempts to promote this product. M4DU7 (talk) 06:45, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep It is a trademarked term with this company, so anywhere media is taking about it they are not taking in general way or concept. You can check on this Indian Govt website for patent and trademark [19]. So when media is talking about smallcase, they are talking about this particular subject. To me sources seems to pass WP:ORG. 1друг (talk) 08:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: I found a surprisingly lengthy review from TV Guide and it looks like there are some hits from Newspapers.com. I'm waiting for my subscription to be re-upped so I can't check to see if they're usable for expanding the article and/or establishing notability. If anyone can, these look to be the most promising ones: [20], [21], [22]. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。)20:04, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The first and second reference are the same, "Hollywood Buzz by Mike Fleming - the guy who really knows" - and is a news story before the film's release. The second is a two-sentence review. Geschichte (talk) 11:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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By now, you know the drill: a rail line with "storage bins" (i.e., grain storage) by the tracks, and nothing else around until they built the Eritage Resort next door in the past few years. In other words, a shipping point for grain, not a town. Mangoe (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Apart from the creator, everybody agrees that this is spam for a non-notable subject. It probably also doesn't help that the content reads like the output of a business jargon random text generator. Sandstein 10:02, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do Not Delete I have contributed for this page based on my book reading. The book itself published in July, 2021. Hence, tagging this article with author's promotion campaign is inappropriate. My previous articles are rejected due to selection of wrong topic and writing in essay format. This mistake does not make writing about any topic as promotion. It seems that user Biogeographist (talk) is biased against this article/topic. More notability from independent source is possible in future upon citation in any work, article. However, relevant cross explanative citations are already added and also be added in due course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rakeshmirat (talk • contribs) 18:48, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Rakeshmirat: And the evidence that I am "biased against this article/topic", instead of doing what any active and conscientious Wikipedia editor would do, is nonexistent. Whereas the fact that you created an article about the subject of a self-published book at exactly the same time the book was published is pretty much a "smoking gun" that this article is promotional. Biogeographist (talk) 18:57, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not determined by future citations that might exist, but by those that already do. Moreover, "cross explanative citations" that merely give background material and don't discuss the subject of the article itself don't count, either. XOR'easter (talk) 20:37, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ I am agree with XOR'easter about notability concern. But, contention of user Biogeographist is quite suspicious. As per general promotion guidelines of Wikiepedia, article should not redirect to outside links as well as it should not contain any information which is showcasing the promotion of any particular person, event etc. The information which added in this article neither have any promotional content nor its redirecting to any third party links. Judging anything simply based on limited area is not the right way to increase the authenticity of any wikipedia article. Instead, I urge Biogeographist to analysis the situation on the basis of subject matter.Rakeshmirat (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I analyzed the subject matter and came to the conclusion that it is non-notable, which is sufficient as a deletion rationale, and which you have conceded is correct. Even if my conclusion about the promotional nature of the article is incorrect (but I see no reason to doubt it, given all the facts I mentioned), still non-notability is sufficient reason to delete. By the way, I will note that I did not rush to nominate the article for deletion. Earlier this month, my first step was to graciously spend time editing the article to conform with Wikipedia style and to add cleanup tags, and then I moved the article to draft space so that you could fix the tagged issues, such as notability, if possible. You moved the article back to article space without sufficiently fixing the article (of course, non-notability can't be fixed in Wikipedia, which would explain your failure to remedy the issue), so deletion is the next step. I tried to help you. Biogeographist (talk) 13:51, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have reverted the move. Do not move it again. This discussion should complete and an early draftification to avoid scrutiny is not acceptable. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 00:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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An intrinsically unmaintainable list. The list is explicitly constructed as a digest of the site CoinMarketCap - an unreliable source, run by a cryptocurrency exchange, and widely regarded as questionable even inside crypto. The usual alternative is Coingecko, but that isn't much better, and still isn't an RS. But even restricted to RSes, this list would be all but unmaintainable per the sourcing requirements of WP:LISTVERIFY - RSes rarely note market cap of cryptos (because it's a publicity number, not a useful number in trading), when they do it's almost never timely, and as a footnote on this article explicitly notes: "Cryptocurrency prices fluctuate rapidly, so this data may be significantly out of date." If you want a non-RS list of cryptos in order of a promotional number, then going to the front page of CoinMarketCap is a strictly superior and more timely alternative. David Gerard (talk) 12:49, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the nominator. (I happened to notice this get PROD'ed and de-PROD'ed, and was thinking of nominating it myself for basically the same reasons.) XOR'easter (talk) 16:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I can change the source. Yahoo has also a list of cryptocurrencies by market cap. The topic is clearly important. Crypto is volatile, but so are stocks. There is also a list of companies by market cap. I can update this list monthly. This list is not unmaintainable.--Afus199620 (talk) 23:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Yahoo page is literally a reprint of the CoinMarketCap data, it says so right there on the Yahoo page. Yahoo News is notorious for reprinting any old rubbish, and crypto reprints are no more an RS than the original source - David Gerard (talk) 17:19, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Market cap constantly changes. Reliable sources rarely mention it. This is going to be hopelessly out of date or based on unreliable sources with arbitrary updating policy. Retimuko (talk) 17:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think it's good article to have. Even if those source are unreliable, these numbers are public data and can be verified from other sources. So perhaps the article needs just better sourcing. Jaxarnolds (talk) 19:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have now added alternate sources for the top 7. However, no point to do it, if its gonna get deleted, so I will wait. But as you can see alternate sources can easily be found. Jaxarnolds (talk) 20:17, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you can produce this better sourcing - better than hastily-written Motley Fool blog posts - then you're not refuting that it's presently unsourceable to the requirements of WP:LISTVERIFY, and this "keep" isn't policy/guideline-based - David Gerard (talk) 21:27, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that this is not the type of article where you need in-depth articles for support. All we need is some articles to verify the numbers and there are plenty out there. We can Even use Yahoo finance charts, such as [23]. Would you be OK, if I added Yahoo Finance chart links to each line? Jaxarnolds (talk) 01:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - Hello, Yes, I understand that the film is still in production, and will be released only later in 2023. However, this film is made by the company Mars Media which has a long track record of successful films. Er nesto (talk) 12:48, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Soft Delete It could be relevant/gain more information in the future since it has notable director, producers/production company, actors, etc. and the filming process has already begun but it should have been a draft instead of being moved to mainspace immediately.Jaguarnik (talk) 08:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails GNG and WP:NFF. Per NFF, "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles, ... films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines." There is nothing here to show any notability of production. And if they think it will take over a year from now for post-production work... not notable enough in their minds to get it done sooner. Doesn't qualify for a standalone article. Delete. Platonk (talk) 22:49, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:NOTNEWS. This is a one-paragraph stub about an announcement by the Ukrainian president according to which he has uncovered a coup plot. There has not yet been an actual coup or coup attempt, and as far as I can tell the existence of the alleged plot has not yet been verified by independent reliable sources. The substance of this article is basically a press release of the Ukraininan government, and we are not a platform for republishing press releases. Sandstein 12:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless there is independent or outside confirmation of a plot, or something else like notable arrests. Right now this is just a statement by the president. 331dot (talk) 17:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support relist: Considering news of this only broke in the past day or two, and how significant an event this potentially is, I would support that at the end of the initial 7-day nomination, an additional 7-day relist is given, to see if additional sources other than "Zelensky says so" have been written. Curbon7 (talk) 03:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is an ongoing story which has continued to be in the news:[24], [25], [26]. Even if the coup does not occur, the numerous news stories point to its notability and need for a Wikipedia article to clarify the facts of the alleged coup. Thriley (talk) 19:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This could be a single sentence in Zelenskyy’s biography. Since Wikipedia is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL, I don’t believe that waiting for it to become something notable is warranted. If it does, then start an article about what it is at that time. —MichaelZ.21:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftified once by Liz, moved twice to main space by the creating editor, this article does not demonstrate that the club itself passes WP:NCORP. Individual members have won championships, certainly, but WP:NOTINHERITED applies. I have performed a WP:BEFORE and found nothing useful about the club itself. I would have draftified this myself, but the prior draftification means I would have been move warring FiddleTimtrentFaddleTalk to me11:38, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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No evidence of meeting our notability requirements. WP:NLIST suggests that for standalone lists, a topic should have "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Choosing 50 T20Is seems arbitrary, and this list will grow very long. Harrias(he/him) •talk11:28, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can find no sources which suggest 50 is notable and with every international match between any country now classed at T20I we'll end up with a tonne of entries very soon. I note this list also excludes any female cricketers at present, which is unacceptable - per this source we'd be at least doubling the length of the list here. I note, as well, that there are a number of female cricketers who have made more than 40 appearances for Thailand in careers which began in 2018 - including Suleeporn Laomi who is 23. How many do we think she might get to if she continues playing until she's the same age as Nattaya Boochatham (34)? 50 will be trifling by that stage. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:16, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Oh Oh, Funny. Yes, I checked. 2 pages' tab were open at a time and by mistake, I wrote the answer of that one here. Let me check, what I wrote on the other one then. But this page fails WP:NGEOJuggyevil (talk) 14:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Article has no inline citations, and all of the links are for the catalogue sections, which shouldn't be in the article. Once you delete the problem sections, the article is completely unsourced. ☢️Plutonical☢️ᵀᵃˡᵏ ᵗᵒ ᵐᵉ19:23, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not enough citations are provided and Google search brings up some passing mentions only. Even if someone can present more citations, a lot of content needs reduction. This looks like a detailed resume. We need a summary of it. Jaxarnolds (talk) 19:49, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep. If it's really been through 984 episodes, as claimed, then it has some notability. Nonetheless, I have just made a comparison with La Source de vie, a religious (Jewish) programme that has been running weekly on French television for about 60 years (sometimes said to be the longest continuously running television series worldwide), more than 3000 episodes. It has no Wikipedia article -- not only not in English (not too surprising) but also not in French (definitely surprising). It is, however, a far more serious and intellectual programme than Through the Bible with Les Feldick appears to be, and directed to a far smaller audience. Athel cb (talk) 09:18, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG. Its only mention in the news is a passing mention in an article about religious programming being on in a military building. While this was the program in question, it was not itself the point of contention in the article and the event was not itself particularly notable. JBLM investigating report of Christian proselytizing on base. Other than this, there are some mentions of him on a blog that notes he's somewhat well known among people who watch the bible on TV according to Phil Cooke. It just doesn't seem to me to cross the threshold of notability. snood1205(Say Hi! (talk))16:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete without prejudice - In theory a show that has been in national syndication as long as it has should have enough reliable sources to warrant an article here, but as this article stands right now, there are only primary sources and no establishment of notability in independent coverage; it would need to be wholly rebuilt to bring it into compliance. I do not object to the page being reconstructed IF it can be brought to standard. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 23:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. There's a small number of good-quality, policy-oriented contributions below, and sadly a lot of rather rubbish ones. Taking the good ones, this is a good old-fashioned debate over whether the sourcing meets the requirements under our notability guidelines, or if this has just been ref bombed to death. There is no agreement amongst established editors on this subject, and no argument was sufficiently proven or disproven to form a consensus in the absence of agreement.
Two procedural notes: the canvassing in this debate is really poor, and while DGG is smart enough to see through it, it leaves a cloud over the debate as a whole. Consider this the strongest possible admonishment for the individual who canvassed. Secondly, due to the narrow nature of the no consensus and the potential flaws procedurally in this discussion, I am explicitly noting that this can be renominated for AfD by any interested editor in a shorter period of time than may have previously been expected. Further, I strongly urge anyone who comes along to AFD4 (if it happens) and complains about the frequency or quantity of AfDs to be rebuked by participants, for not focusing on the content of the article. Daniel (talk) 11:07, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Does not seem notable per WP:AUTHOR. All the references, here, are regular coverage, hence, does not meet WP:SIGCOV. Furthermore, this image is uploaded as an "own work" by the original content creator triggering doubt for a possibleWP:COI. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 09:18, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep Two substantial book reviews would be enough for WP:AUTHOR. SamHolt6 said in the first AfD that "For example, two of their novels have been the subject of full article book reviews in notable English-language newspaper" but they didn't indicate which: the only one I find substantial is one in the Daily Star, but it's almost entirely a plot summary. I looked at the Google translation of all the Bengali book reviews, and none of them are that substantial. I did not look at the reviews of the other work. Judging by their wide range of contributions, the creator of the article is more likely to be a fan than a coi editor. Nor do I find the article particularly spammy, as such articles go. (I was pinged to come here, but I'm at least as likely to !vote delete as keep on topics like this) DGG ( talk ) 17:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is coverage of the author in The Daily Star, the largest circulating daily English-language newspaper in Bangladesh, along with other major papers and media outlets in the country including The Daily Observer, Ei Samay Sangbadpatra, and The Independent. As stated in Wikipedia's notability guidelines for people under creative professionals, notability can be determined by "multiple independent periodical articles" and there are definitely enough independent articles either about or mentioning this subject to prove notability. Also as a side note, this article was the subject of two previous AfDs, with the outcome a keep in both instances. The article now has even more reliable citations than during those two previous AfDs, so I'm not sure why it was brought up for AfD a third time. --SouthernNights (talk) 17:43, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article undoubtedly contains too many sources, but they are either interviews or press coverage for some insignificant prize distributing ceremonies (a prize named after a notable litterateur does not imply that its recievers will automatically be regarded as notable) and, hence, can not be explicitly determined as intellectually independent secondary sources. Thus it fails WP:NBASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:CREATIVE. And so can be said for WP:NFILM refering to the press coverage for the film Gohiner Gaan, too. Primary sources can support the content, but they do not contribute to prove subject's notability. This article still fails to explicitly meet the criteria of notability guidelines even after three years since its creation and so, brought up here for a third time. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 03:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the sources before my first comment and you are incorrect. Many of them are specifically focused on this subject, either interviews or reviews of his work or coverage of him and his work. And your statements about intellectually independent sources is also incorrect. As per Wikipedia guidelines, "all article topics must be verifiable with independent, third-party sources" and that's what we have a ton of here, 46 independent, third-party sources from major news outlets in Bangladesh. As I stated above, Wikipedia's notability guidelines for creative professionals says notability can be determined by "multiple independent periodical articles" and there are plenty of independent, reliable articles about this subject to prove notability.--SouthernNights (talk) 14:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment-- This is already the third nomination, and at least five editors have been CANVASSed to this one with a decidedly non-neutral invitation. One has to wonder why so much interest around this (on both sides). DGG's opinion is valuable in any discussion, but for appearance's sake if nothing else, I think he should at least make his !vote a comment, given the content of the message he received[27]. Regards! Usedtobecool☎️04:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My user talk link was given above. When asked to look at an article or draft, I look at it. Whether I do what is asked for or implied is another matter: I've gotten good at never even seeing that part of the request. This is a !vote, not a comment. It represents my own opinion. DGG ( talk ) 21:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jubair Sayeed Linas: I also wonder why you are taking it personally and canvassing in the background! Can't I nominate any article for AfD using my wikisense? Looking forward to your reply. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 06:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Usedtobecool: Sorry for the late reply. Third nomination is frustrating me. I am inviting wikipedians who worked on literature and I don't know them. I request them to express their opinion. I am not telling them to vote keep. I think if they against it, it should be deleted. And there was other wikipedians who I am not talking. They are also voted for this keep or delete. If anything is not right according to wiki rules let me know please. Jubair Sayeed Linas (talk) 14:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Meghmollar2017: Sorry for the late reply and my apology for any words that hurts you. If any article is deleted I feel pain. It is natural for me. I am always try to keep my articles online. I created 21 articles in english, 117 in bengali and only 4 in English and 12 in Bengali has been deleted. All articles is matter for me. 14:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jubair Sayeed Linas: I understand. Any of the deletion proposals is certainly frustrating, though it is also a natural process in Wikipedia that the articles must go under the scrutiny of other wikipedians. However, starting a discussion does not imply that the article is surely going to be deleted or the person is conspiring against you or the subject. I have also created a few articles on both wikis and gathered some knowledge for which you can assume good faith on me; or, maybe, because it is a part of recreating the article on the other wiki for a third time [by someone else whom I am helping] that was deleted previously. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 15:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I have improved the categorization. Due to the frequent nominations that always end in keep, I recommended a freeze on further nominations once this is kept again. Some topics just get nominated time and again, wasting precious community resources. gidonb (talk) 00:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep We need more Bangladeshi author pages not fewer. It is getting harder and harder to create wikipages or add content as many 'participating' editors go around deleting things (which is very easy to do). Germsteel (talk) 01:34, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Germsteel: Surely, it is tough to increase the number. But should we only focus on that "number" without checking whether they are really notable? The article was previously proposed for deletion twice by other wikipedians who are Bangladeshi administrators on bnwiki; it also didn't seem to be notable to me, too. However, it is satisfactory that almost all have expressed their opinion that this article should be kept. — Meghmollar2017 (UTC) — 15:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. The company he heads is not partially owned as the nominator suggested. It is fully owned by the Ghana Government, making the article subject a key Government appointee. See the wikipedia list: List of Akufo-Addo government ministers and political appointees. User:Ataavi 7:45 AM. 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Delete - While he's quoted in a few articles, the articles are about "BOST" and not necessarily profiling or featuring the subject. What I found did not satisfy me enough to have the subject qualify for WP:GNG nor WP:BASIC. Missvain (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Per WP:NPOL, the article subject matter is notable. I suggest that angle should also be considered and not only the nature of source material for the article. I have stated the article subject matter is a key Government appointee and that I believed informed its creation. Ataavi 6:45 AM. 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment. By saying he is a "director of a business", are you disputing my claim of him being a key Government appointee? You have already made the previous false claim of BOST being partially owned. BOST is a Ghanaian government agency charged to keep strategic national petroleum reserves amongst other functions. In 2019 after a national scandal at BOST, the managing director of BOST was replaced with the article subject-matter on a direct appointment from the president of Ghana. Like any officeholder appointed by the presidency, once the president term is over, the person must leave office unless re-appointed by letter. In 2021, Provencal was re-appointed through a letter from the president. So what's your claim of maintaining that he is a director of a business when the officeholder is appointed by a letter from the president?
I may side with you that the article may need more secondary coverage in the Ghanaian media other than what the references provide but the Ghanaian media is not one to devote columns to deep coverage of public office holders. Ataavi (talk) 8:27 AM. 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Which industry is nationalised? Come clearer. You are very very wrong if it is what I think you mean but I will let you clarify. Edwin Provencal engages in politics now. Visit his facebook wall and scroll down and you will see him campaigning for members of the New Patriotic Party. He campaigned for the former energy minister under whom he served as his technical advisor at the ministry of energy for parliament and the current president before and during the presidential elections. I have commented about this secondary coverage thing above. You are recycling arguments and making word changes to it.Ataavi (talk) 5:18 PM. 29 November 2021 (UTC)
An oilman by definition is an owner or ordinarily an employee of an oil company. He is not. You say 'perhaps' in your next statement which shows you say what you say with no certainty. Do we have consultants appearing at party rallies to campaign or openly using their social media handles to endorse candidates? Or do we have a president being commended by a local chief for appointing a mere consultant? He is a POLITICAL OFFICE HOLDER. This story proves it: {Ga Mantse thankful to President for appointing Ga Native as first female Mayor of Accra|https://www.ama.gov.gh/news-details.php?n=OHAwNzBxc3NwMzkwNXE2N3FuNTFzNzhxOTBuNzQwcnBycTdyODMwOA==} . Here's the quote in the story;
"Nii Tackie Teiko Tsuru II said this when President Akufo-Addo called on him at the Ga Mantse Palace on day two of his tour of the Greater Accra Region on Friday (October 22, 2021). He also mentioned the likes of Hon Stanley Nii Adjiri Blankson, and Mr Enoch Teye Mensah, representatives of the Council of State for the Greater Accra Region, Greater Accra Regional Minister, Henry Quartey, Shirley Ayorkor Botchwey Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and Mr Edwin Provencal Chief Executive Officer for the Bulk Oil and Transport (BOST) company limited as natives of the Ga state appointed by the President."
You have also failed to engage my earlier query to the industry you say have been nationalised. It is clear you do not have understanding of neither the nature of office occupied or the nature of company headed. Give up. Ataavi (talk) 6:02 PM. 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Delete ultimately, I agree with scope creep's assessment of the sources. None of them are sufficient to meet the requirements set out at WP:GNG. Notwithstanding a lot of chat above, using different terms and titles to frame his relevance, his notability is not sufficient for the standards required for ENWP per GNG. Daniel (talk) 10:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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If you write in name of film Persian in google, there are many sources. The sources now in the article are also valid. I do not understand the reason for deletion. Nikan Faze 09:45, 27 November 2021
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He was CFO of multiple large companies. But that itself is not enough to justify him having his own article.
The references given are just database profile links which you can find on many executives. I can't find much independent sources on him specifically which are in-depth. There are articles about his retirement from State Street but they are more to do with the company itself and just make a mention of him. Imcdc (talk) 05:59, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, he was CFO of State Street, a major bank that is classified as systemically important bank by the Financial Stability Board and is a Fortune 500 company. I have not found a guideline on specific notability criteria for business people, but it is reasonable to make a parallel with WP:POLITICIAN. Members of national legislative bodies are presumed to be notable, so it is reasonable to make the same presumption for officers of Fortune 500 companies, and their equivalents elsewhere. Verbcatcher (talk) 02:17, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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For our last stop in Whitman County, we have the site of a demolished grain elevator by an abandoned rail grade, and across the tracks an RV lot which used to be a quarry, most likely a gravel pit. It's possible there was a settlement here a century ago, but since even then it was just outside Pullman, I'd want to see some substantial proof. Mangoe (talk) 05:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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If you've been following these Washington state place noms, you can see where this one is heading: named by railway officials, post office way back when, aerials show a grain elevator by the tracks and nothing much else. Yep, another non-notable rail location. Mangoe (talk) 05:24, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A post office is not the same as a notable place, and a place 100 years ago is not the same as "is an unincorporated community". 15:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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This geolocates onto a farm, but the topos say it was a rail location on a now abandoned NP line. Either way, not seeing a town; perhaps it was a post office but that's not enough. Mangoe (talk) 05:02, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails to meet notability (WP:GNG). The Atlas makes no mention of perpetrators and the article itself is POV pushing (i.e making assumptions that the Atlas never made). They only say: "A mob killed 28 Tigrayan civilians while they were being transported to Addis Ababa." I don't see how that even justify its own article. Ue3lman (talk) 05:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't find any coverage of the mass killing besides the two sources provided, and even that is quite lacking in any sort of detail. I say "two", but given the content on their about us page, both the Tigray Atlas of the Humanitarian Situation and Ethiopia: Tigray War evidently use the same dataset and are maintained by the same research group. It is perhaps of note that this article appears to have been created with a bundle of others on massacres in the Tigray War, many of which have been similarly deleted for lack of notability - see this AfD discussion on a group of 25 articles and this discussion as well. Maybe some of these would be better folded into Tigray War or War crimes in the Tigray War (if they have not been already). Shells-shells (talk) 05:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I agree with nom, right now not enough coverage to justify inclusion. If there are further mentions found later on please re-create. Fails WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:43, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Only two citations, neither reliable source. The first citation is a not-yet-peer reviewed paper uploaded to ResearchGate. The website of the second citation (ethiopiatigraywar.com) is run by the same people in the first citation. Also, the creator of the page was blocked as sockpuppet. Delete. Platonk (talk) 07:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - most of the pages created by this user fall victim to the same issues listed above by other users. They never should have made it through WP:NPP. --WMSR (talk) 18:20, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to another article: I'm getting a bit tired of the repeated mass-deletion of Tigray-related articles.
Delete. I do not mind keeping or redirecting this. 28 victims would be a major massacre. Articles can be improved with sufficient sourcing. Right now I do not see sources for keep or even for as little as a redirect. Tag me if more sources are found. gidonb (talk) 02:50, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You must have missed the two prior AfDs on 9 Nov (106 articles) and 17 Nov (25 articles). One editor created 106 cookie cutter 'massacre' articles based on a self-published source. Only the dates, places, and number of dead changed. And the body count was from a self-published document on ResearchGate. Platonk (talk) 04:57, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Another rail spot acto topos, more recently filled in with various commercial/industrial concerns, but which even a few decades back only had two buildings, both of which more or less survive, and if you guess that one was a grain elevator, then you've already seen a bunch of these nominations. (The other was/is a warehouse paralleling the tracks, possibly a former freight station.) "Kitzmiller" isn't as bad as "Revere" as far as searching is concerned, but I found nothing other than the usual passing references. Mangoe (talk) 04:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't believe this article meets the notability guideline for people; from my searches, there appears to be very little coverage of Henderson in reliable secondary sources. Apart from the two news sources already cited in the article, I can only find a small handful of articles published around 2011 about his bankruptcy,[1][2][3] and absolutely nothing since that time. Swadge2 (talk) 04:14, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a property developer in Christchurch of the same name who is rather notable. The Christchurch guy went broke a year earlier. I remember looking up the Auckland developer back then and recall that I could find articles about him. But if they don’t exist any longer and the article is in poor shape (which it is), then it’s best to nuke it. Schwede6617:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Legal case which seems to fail WP:GNG. Whilst based on a single primary source, it seems like other primary sources exist, but not any secondary coverage by other media outlets. Seems to have only had significance within the context of south African labour law, and was not a decision of any significance to the general populous. If it really should be mentioned on Wikipedia, it should be mentioned only breifly, as it was certainly not the first case to deal with the right to strike, and only one of some local significance. Mako001 (talk) 04:06, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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The Wash. place names DB says that "It was named by H. R. Williams, vice president of Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul Railway," which means that it was a spot established on a railroad which has long since been abandoned. Sure enough, there's a big grain elevator sitting along the former grade, and nothing much else. There is a strip of recently farmed land along the river on the south side of the road, but no indication of a town. The trifecta of a famous names for the state, county and "town" means that searching was entirely worthless. Mangoe (talk) 03:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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This article has 63 references, but NONE of them 1) are independent of the society or the university it's based at and 2) provide significant coverage of the subject. Therefore, the subject does not meet WP:NORG. An early FA, this was just delisted due to lack of independent sources. Pinging participants in the FAR: Vanamonde93, SandyGeorgia, Hog Farm, Bumbubookworm. (t · c) buidhe03:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Struggling to find independent reliable sources that cover the topic in depth. There's claims in the article that, if verified, would indicate that sources ought to be available, so I'm willing to be persuaded. Vanamonde (Talk)03:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Secret Societies: A World History of the Clandestine ‘Clubs’: Freemasonry Ku Klux Klan Opus Dei Triads (Gangs Book 2) by Benita Estevez | Jul 24, 2014
Secret Societies Vol. 3: The Collegiate Secret Societies of America (Volume 3) Paperback – February 20, 2015 by Arthur Morius Francis (Author)
That is not enough to warrant a Featured article, but it is enough to warrant an article. Vanamonde93, those are both available at amazon and others and discuss ANAK; does that convince you? I found those easily, by clicking only the first link, so more might be found. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:07, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't, I'm afraid: the second book is from Lulu dot com, a self-publishing company, and the author has no credentials that I can see. I can't see the content, but the page of contents suggests all their content is lifted from Wikipedia. The publisher of the first source is so obscure that I'm unable to find a website for it, and I see no reason to believe it's any more reliable. Vanamonde (Talk)16:58, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Featured articles require high quality sources, but regular notability does not; are you applying a standard too high (I ask, recognizing my dismal record at AFD :) I looked at content that was available and could not convince myself it was lifted from Wikipedia. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm quite confident; Lulu dot com applies no editorial oversight whatsoever. That source is no more or less useful than a blog, printed and bound. Take a look at our WP:RSP entry. The other source is not obviously garbage, but it's not obviously reliable either; and to meet GNG, sources do need to clear the basic bar of reliability. Vanamonde (Talk)17:42, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Another station/elevator (the latter still there) but no sign of a town, and given that it's a mile and a half from St. John it's not terribly likely there was ever a separate "community". Mangoe (talk) 03:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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I’m nominating this article for deletion because it is a content fork on existing articles that adds nothing to them. There may be things to discuss about the coronations of Ethiopian emperors but this article doesn’t do that. It just tells us a bit about some emperors and mentions their coronation date. It doesn’t really serve any purpose and there’s nothing that needs to be merged somewhere else. Mccapra (talk) 13:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Claim to fame is a) photographed with a former us president and b) being interviewed in a documentary containing 15 other performers, which doesn’t appear to therefore be substantially about her or independent. Otherwise just the usual porn ecosystem promotional noise. Inadequate for gng and ent and should be removed. SpartazHumbug!00:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lacks non-trivial RS coverage to pass WP:BASIC. No claims of passing WP:ENTERTAINER attributable to independent reliable sources. Notability is not inherited through appearing along side notable persons. An independent search for RS coverage only yields the Clinton photo. • Gene93k (talk) 22:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: This is extremely obvious promo. Fun co-incidence that the name of the original editor is the name of a character in one of the stories. -- asilvering (talk) 00:49, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am not exactly wonderstruck by this article. At first glance I was quite enchanted by it, but then I realised that it's based only on a single self-published source, and a blog at that. When I looked closer the promotional spin became clear, and I was left feeling very much disenchanted. In all seriousness it's total rubbish, lacks notability, there are clear COI issues, and if I saw it it would've gone straight to CSD, though it is probably better off here. Mako001 (talk) 07:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Leaning delete. As it happens, I am familiar with the article subject, and they have indeed represented clients in some notable cases, but doing so does not by itself make a lawyer notable. BD2412T02:36, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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