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Oh well. I don't want to reignite the old CTOP, but measures of intelligence across countries like this have always been controversial, if not fringe, and presenting a "list of countries by IQ" as a factual-looking article is probably not the best way to tackle it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm also concerned about there being some WP:FRINGE in this article because IQ tests and their accuracy are debated and there may have been many different factors in how the countries determined the average IQs of their citizens, which might make the comparison between them inaccurate. I also don't think that this meets WP:GNG because there really isn't any significant coverage of the average IQ in countries in ASEAN specifically; all of the data is taken from lists of the average IQ in countries around the world. That Tired TarantulaBurrow00:32, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This definitely isn't a type of article that we should be encouraging, and the major source in the article, [1], is selling stuff, which is a disqualifier for the numbers presented here. Nate•(chatter)01:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Jeez, this article is one of the worst ideas I've seen on Wikipedia, and in 20 years I've seen many. It's basically a collection of numbers of near-zero scientific value that seems of use only for "scientific racism" forums. There might be some value in collecting this information if presented with a lot of context on IQ tests, but not as such a list.--cyclopiaspeak!14:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Source 2 is marginal per Source Highlighter, the rest aren't rated, appearing to be databases. Most people won't even undergo the test, so I'm not sure how this is a fair assessment of the situation. Doesn't seem notable/somewhat unscientific. Oaktree b (talk) 19:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I think this is a stupid concept. "IQ of nations" is something only a very fringesubset of people care about. In addition to this, the average IQ of ASEAN countries isn't something well documented or scientific. -Samoht27 (talk)04:03, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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There is no media coverage about him in Italian publications and no article on Italian Wikipedia. Entries in databases are not helpful to pass WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 20:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Coverage appears to be mainly reporting of fight results and announcements. That doesn't meet WP:GNG. Despite the claims of many titles, WP:NBOX is not met. The UBO is one of many minor boxing organizations so that title shows nothing for WP notablilty. Since the article says he's won WBA and WBC titles I looked up those organization's heavyweight rankings to see if he's in the top 10. The WBC shows 3 champions and the top 40 contenders[2] and the WBA shows 2 champions and the top 15 contenders[3]. He's not shown in either listing so he clearly fails to meet WP:NBOX which requires a top 10 ranking. Papaursa (talk) 13:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Did WP:BEFORE and wasn't able to find anything about this except for one report [4]. The name comes up in a lot of different contexts but I wasn't able to pin down sources for this. There are external links on the article but they weren't much help. If anyone finds any thing please ping me. Dr vulpes(Talk)20:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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A quick google search reveals that this term is used for many things, meaning I couldn't discern if it even deserved to be the primary topic. Intriguingly, most of the sources online were only mentioning it as if it were real, which compromises their usage. Regardless, this shoddy award doesn't meet the general notability guideline as it hasn't been covered by 3 reliable sources. Tavantius (talk) 16:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Finding sources is difficult due to common name, but various searches I did failed to find anything meeting WP:ORGCRIT. Sources on the current page also fall short. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep (with improvements) - appears potentially notable based on scale of the battle. Second source seems to be The Complete History which is a significant work. Probably needs some "according to" etc. given that we are inevitably dealing with historical accounts. Per WP:NONENG if any of the statements are controversial, some translated quotation of the original source(s) might be helpful. YFB¿17:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to Delete for WP:TNT as it makes no difference to my ability to recreate (there's essentially no usable material to start from) and will hopefully help support a consensus so this discussion can be closed :) - when I get round to it I will use the spelling Sbiba for consistency as suggested. YFB¿19:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Can't find any mention of this in reliable (English) secondary sources, so it's certainly not a major or noteworthy engagement. Ibn al-Athir (The Complete History) and al-Idrisi (quoted in text) are primary sources, so even if there's no WP:OR involved here (which I'm not confident about), its mere mention in primary sources, in the absence of any mentions in secondary sources, means it doesn't meet WP:GNG. Overall, it just looks like another pseudo-puffery piece squeezed out of an obscure historical military engagement. R Prazeres (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not easy to research this topic as most of the Arabic-language texts I can access e.g. via Google Books don't seem to support text selection (to check translation). However I found the following paper in the Algerian Historical Journal (for example) via a quick search for معركة سبيبة (Battle of Sebiba) https://www.asjp.cerist.dz/en/article/224926
I'm not sure how Ibn al-Athir can be considered a primary source in this context? He wasn't born until 95 years after this battle took place and he doesn't appear to have been directly connected to either of the combatant tribes. But IANA historian so perhaps I'm misunderstanding how this works. YFB¿20:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found a French translation of Ibn al-Athir which is a bit more accessible to me at least. There is a whole section devoted to this battle, the context and its aftermath so it does seem fairly significant. Quick Google translation below of an extract:
"Then the Riyâh' and the Zenâta all set out together, and on his side En-Naçir having advanced at the head of the Çanhȧdja, the Zenâta and the Benoû Hilal, the two armies met [ P. 31 ] near the town of Sebiba ( 1 ) . Following the charge which the Riyâh' and El-Moʻizz made respectively against the Benoû Hilal and the Zenâta, these last two groups fled, and the troops of En-Naçir imitated their example. The fugitives were pursued with swords at their backs, and twenty-four thousand Çanhâdja and Zenâta were massacred. El-K'ȧsim ben 'Alennâs (2) , brother of En-Nåçir, was also killed, but the latter himself was able to flee with a small number of his men. The Arabs thus became masters of a rich booty consisting of everything that belonged to the vanquished, money, weapons, horses, etc., the sharing of which was carried out as agreed. This affair completed the Arabs' complete mastery of the country; having arrived without resources, poor and having very few horses, they then found themselves rich, abundantly provided with weapons and mounts, in the presence of a country almost without defenders. They sent the standards, the drums, the tents of En-Nâçir and the horses they contained, to Temim, who sent them back to them, saying that it would be shameful for him to seize the spoils of his cousin. The Arabs greatly appreciated this act of generosity."
"La défaite de Sabîba (1065), qui fait au Magrib Central pendant à celle de Haydarân, constraint bientôt al-Nâsir d'abandonner la Qal'a pour Bougie, qu'il vient de fonder (1068-9). Vannée suivante, il conclut avec Tamïm une paix que lui et ses successeurs respecteront jusqu'à la mort de Tamïm (1108)."
This is another secondary source that ascribes significance to the event. Definitely enough for GNG in my view. The article needs a lot of work, I will see what I can do to bring it up to scratch if retained or moved to Draft space.
Thanks for looking. That last source (Baadj 2015) is the only one that gives me pause about notability, but it's still just one book, which doesn't fully solve the WP:GNG problem because you'd have to write most of the article from this single detailed source. (As for Ibn al-Athir and Idrisi, as asilvering notes below they are primary sources in the sense that they are medieval accounts from the same era, so they should be mediated by professional historians.) A quick reading of Baadj's account also makes it clear that this article, as is, would need to be completely re-written to even be understandable. I'd support draftifying at best, if there's a chance a competent editor would rewrite it, but WP:TNT otherwise. R Prazeres (talk) 05:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Happy with WP:TNT. I will write a new article using the above sources plus this one https://ixtheo.de/Record/792329171 which dedicates three sub-chapters (6 whole pages) to the battle, its aftermath and a comparison to the Battle of Haydaran which was part of the same conflict. @M.Bitton would you be content with moving to Draft space for me to do that? YFB¿21:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yummifruitbat well, he's a secondary source in the sense that he wasn't at the battle, but from the perspective of writing history, we don't want to be basing articles on what someone said several hundred years ago, with no interpretation by modern historians. -- asilvering (talk) 03:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (though it needs improvement) or Draftify per YFB's offer to improve. Searching the Arabic name, موقعة سبيبة (the phrase I'm finding in these), finds a number of passing and more-than-passing mentions of the battle and its importance in shifting power at the time. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 17:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This probably needs a rename if kept given the name of the wikilinked town used later is "Sbiba". There is also the 1943 Battle of Sbiba and an earlier (824? 825?) battle where the Aghlabid army was routed[5][6]
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Lacks significant independent coverage and mostly relies on promotional content, particularly for Matrix Fight Night. The tone suggests potential paid editing, violating Wikipedia’s neutral point of view. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPERSON. M S Hassan📬✍🏻19:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep I really don't understand why this article is being proposed for deletion. the article meets Wikipedia's criteria WP:GNG. Moreover, reliable media sources, which are verified by Wikipedia, have covered news about this person. Additionally, I did not find any sentence in the text that promotes Matrix Fight Night (There is just a Mention).Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 12:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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KeepWP:TOI is a reliable source provided that paid advertorials are not used. The sources used do not seem to be paid advertorials. The article requires some rewritting to ensure neutral point of view, but the subject meets WP:SIGCOV and hence is notable.Contributor892z (talk) 12:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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May I offer a suggestion? Rather than take up other editor's time with deletion discussions, why don't you just BOLDly redirect these articles to the main article? If you get resistance, then come here. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 18:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify: there's tons of sourcing available for this topic, but this brand new article as it stands isn't in the best of shape for an encyclopedia. However, the article isn't entirely junk either, some of it is actually well-written in encyclopedic tone and plausibly sourceable, which makes this a WP:PRESERVE situation. Take for example the "mental health" section:
Excessive use of social media has been linked to increased rates of depression, anxiety, and loneliness among teenagers. The constant exposure to idealized images and curated lives on platforms like Instagram and Snapchat can lead to body dissatisfaction, low self-esteem, and FOMO (fear of missing out).
Deleting would de-motivate a relatively new good-faith editor and throw away some of their good work, whereas draftifying would give them a chance to re-work it if desired and seek feedback from peers. Left guide (talk) 04:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. I assume the crossed out deletion nomination indicates that this AFD is withdrawn by the nominator so I'm closing this as a Speedy Keep. LizRead!Talk!22:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr vulpes Thank you, but I couldn't find any information in the article indicating that she is a member of the House of Representatives. I have reviewed it again. The article's notability is based on her role as deputy leader of a party and being a top contender for leadership, though she did not ultimately assume the position. Ibjaja055 (talk) 18:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are two sources that say she's an MP. There are also some Thai sources that state this as well.
"Sirikanya Tansakun, a list MP of the opposition People’s Party, on Tuesday said it struck her as odd that the money taken from the banks – worth a combined 35 billion baht – has not been earmarked for spending as a loan for the scheme."[7]
"Move Forward Party’s deputy leader Sirikanya Tansakun said no doubts were cleared or new information provided in the government’s announcement about the digital wallet scheme on Wednesday. The opposition MP said she believes the ongoing uncertainties may result in the government being unable to keep its promise of handing out the 10,000 baht it promised to some 45 million Thais within the fourth quarter." [8]
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The figure is notable because he contested for Governorship Elections in Ogun State under NNPP, and I included secondary sources to back it up. Johnvictor82 (talk) 21:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: @User:Johnvictor82, Notability is not automatically granted by candidacy, simply running for political office, even a significant one, does not inherently establish notability according to WP:POLITICIAN, tbh, a quick check and I can’t find a significant public recognition outside of the candidacy, maybe you can point me there. B.Korlah (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subjects are not inherently notable because they were candidates of an election. They have to be elected to the office, and the office has to be a notable office based on our guidelines on politicians. Although some candidates after losing an election tend to pass the general guideline or even any biography, but sources here are insufficient and can not establish any of the former or latter. The awards won are either “recognitions” that are not notable or they’re awards that are run of the mill. Delete! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per Reading Beans and above. I just patrolled the Nigeria AfD and I don't understand why literally every single AfD'd article feels like PROMO and paid for. New Nigerian editors should reach a certain wiki level of activity before they can create mainspace articles. Otherwise, they should just request or run it through AfC first.dxneo (talk) 02:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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An unsourced article about a Japanese pop group. Not to disparage Ribbon, but pop groups are a dime a dozen in Japan. No indication that WP:NBAND is satisfied. Yes, their single Little Date was used as the theme song for a single season of Ranma 1/2, but that would not do it on its own. No indications they charted any singles or otherwise satisfy NBAND. Safiel (talk) 20:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning to Keep. Oricon is in WP:GOODCHARTS, and the subject has a number of hits therefore robustly meeting WP:MUSICBIO#2. Sigcov cites in the article are however lacking, but given the number of charting records happy to presume such will exit. ResonantDistortion10:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is heavily refbombed (just to make it difficult to judge the notability). On a closer look, I didn't find any in-depth reference. Due to COI concerns, I don't think it is possible to maintain such articles even if he is weak notable. Most of the references are sponsored and not acceptable per WP:RSNOI. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm not sure I'd call this promotional as the tags on the article warn. In places, it's the opposite: Batra just wants to be in news by speaking on contentious and critically controversial issues. I haven't investigated the sources but there are evidently some real BLP concerns here. -- asilvering (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep There are plenty of sources out there, I added three RS to the existing sources but there's more, as a quick Google confirms. We're easily past WP:GNG before getting to NCORP here and I do note the previous AfD thanks to Left guide, which already demonstrated the company passed WP:GNG. I don't like people moaning about WP:BEFORE, so won't... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did review those sources before coming here. As I mentioned above, most of them are without a proper byline, like this article is part of Hub branding and for Indian references it is now well-established that those references are paid/advertisements WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Other articles are mostly about partnerships/warehouse opening which we consider as routine coverage, WP:CORPTRIV. This kind of coverage just shows that they have an active PR department, nothing else. Gheus (talk) 21:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:ORGCRIT. The subject has received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, including reputable industry publications like Lloyd’s List and TradeWinds among others. Thus, fulfilling WP:CORPDEPTH. --Ratekreel (talk) 07:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete As we really don't have anything to create a genuine biography. If someone can locate sufficient sources, I'd be happy to reconsider. AusLondonder (talk) 10:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I‘m not am expert, but looks like he was a main cyclist in Guatemala. I cant find online old newspaper or magazine; but I saw this interview with him. An interview itself is not enough for notability; but it shows he was back in the days a main Guatemalan cyclist. This interview is not about the Olympics but the Vuelta a Guatemala. interview here re-published. 46.44.158.42 (talk) 19:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Highly likely notable of course (was a national champion and also the national cycling commissioner) – yet another example of why its inappropriate to be able to delete things with no search of relevant sources whatsoever... but anyway a redirect would probably be preferred in case someone ever decides to look and find sigcov in Guatemalan newspapers... BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - album didn't chart. Found only a small one paragraph review in Billboard (added to the article now), which might actually be an ad.Drushrush (talk) 03:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Minor political party in Taiwan with no electoral success nor coverage in reliable sources, either in Chinese or English. Online searches turn up only brief mentions on ROC government lists. Yue🌙19:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
Jin, Wu-feng 金武鳳 (2001-11-09). "魏吉助 向中選會抗議 若王建?政黨屬性空白 他的'台灣吾黨'也應一視同仁" [Wei Ji-shu protested to the Central Election Commission. If Wang Jian's political party attributes are blank, his "Taiwan Number One Party" should also treat everyone equally]. United Evening News [zh] (in Chinese). p. 20.
The article notes: "魏吉助是台灣吾黨召集人,台灣吾黨於9月成立時,據他表示,全省總共有30餘名有實力的候選人同意接受台灣吾黨推荐,包括嘉義縣立委參選人李雅景、彰化縣立委參選人陳陽德、高雄市立委參選人羅志明和台北縣立委參選人林瑞圖等。"
From Google Translate: "Wei Ji-shu [zh] is the convener of the Taiwan Number One Party. When the Taiwan Number One Party was established in September, he said that a total of more than 30 capable candidates in the province agreed to accept the recommendation of the Taiwanese Party, including Chiayi County Legislative Candidate Li Ya-jing [zh], Changhua County Legislative Candidate Chen Yang-de, Kaohsiung City Legislative Candidate Lo Chih-ming, and Taipei County Legislative Candidate Lin Rui-tu [zh], etc."
The article notes: "台灣吾黨已登記為合法政黨,擔任召集人的魏吉助在眾人撤退後,只好當「代表」撐到底,政黨欄裡仍登記台灣吾黨。魏吉助說,全省另有2名政黨欄內仍登記台灣吾黨的參選人,他們是台南的洪中,平地山胞瓦歷斯貝林,因為來不及撤銷而無法更改。"
From Google Translate: "The Taiwan Number One Party has been registered as a legal political party. Wei Ji-shu, who served as the convener, had no choice but to hold on as a "representative" after everyone retreated. The Taiwan Number One Party is still registered in the political party column. Wei Ji-shu said that there are still two candidates in the province who are still registered as candidates of the Taiwan Number One Party in the political party column. They are Tainan's Hongzhong and Pingtishan compatriot Walis Perin. They cannot change because they have no time to cancel."
Yang, Ke-hua 楊克華 (2001-09-15). "台灣吾黨昨成立王金平南下致賀 魏吉助任召集人 擬提名卅五至四十參選立委" [Taiwan Number One Party was founded yesterday. Wang Jin-pyng went south to congratulate him. Wei Ji-shu is appointed as the convener and plans to nominate people aged between 35 and 40 to run for the Legislative Council.]. United Daily News (in Chinese). p. 13.
The article notes: "台灣昨天又誕生新政黨,取名「台灣吾黨」。吾黨召集人兼發言人魏吉助在成立大會中說,吾黨,無黨也,全台灣百分之八十五無黨無派民眾的主流民意,即「吾黨所宗」。吾黨計畫提名卅五人至四十人,競選下屆立法委員。"
From Google Translate: "A new political party was born in Taiwan yesterday, named "Taiwan Number One Party." Wei Ji-shu [zh], the convener and spokesperson of the party, said at the founding meeting that the party is a party-free party, and the mainstream public opinion of the 85% of people in Taiwan who have no party or faction is "the belief of our party." The party plans to nominate 35 to 40 people to run for the next legislative session."
The article notes: "目前確知將代表吾黨參選立委者,包括施性忠的兒子施乃元在新竹市參選,還有新竹縣議員羅世洞、苗栗縣立委陳超明、彰化縣曾參選國大代表的江播龍、高雄市的三立電視台董事長林坤海,魏吉助本人則在台中市參選。"
From Google Translate: "It is currently confirmed that those who will represent the party in the election for legislators include Shi Xing-zhong [zh]’s son Shi Nai-yuan who is running in Hsinchu City, Hsinchu County Councilor Luo Shi-dong, Miaoli County Legislator Chen Chao-ming, Changhua County’s Jiang Bo-long, who once ran for National Congress representative, Lin Kun-hai, chairman of Sanli TV in Kaohsiung City, and Wei Ji-shu himself are running for election in Taichung City."
"《新聞櫥窗》 台灣吾黨昨成立 將提名三、四十人角逐立委" ["News Showcase": The Taiwan Number One Party was established yesterday and will nominate 30 to 40 people to compete for legislators]. Min Sheng Bao (in Chinese). 2001-09-15. p. A4.
The article notes: "新的政黨「台灣吾黨」昨天在台中市成立,包括立法院長王金平等各主要政黨人士都到場致賀。台灣吾黨成立的主訴求是「我們要過好日子」,並提出八個第一的理念。吾黨計畫推出三、四十人參加立法委員選舉,最低目標要當選十五席。"
From Google Translate: "The new political party "Taiwan Number One Party" was established in Taichung City yesterday. Members of all major political parties, including Legislative Yuan Wang Jinping, were present to congratulate the party. The main aspiration of the establishment of the Taiwan Number One Party is "We want to live a good life" and it puts forward eight first concepts. The party plans to introduce 30 to 40 people to participate in the legislative election, with the minimum goal of being elected to 15 seats."
Lin, He-ming 林河名 (2001-09-14). "台灣吾黨成立 今公布首波參選人" [The Taiwan Number One Party was established and today announced the first wave of candidates]. United Daily News (in Chinese). p. 20.
The article notes: "繼台灣團結聯盟之後,又一新政黨「台灣吾黨」今天將在台中市成立。「台灣吾黨」召集人魏吉助昨晚表示,今天的成立大會將公布首波八位立委參選人,其餘參選人將再分兩批陸續公布,預計共將推薦三十五至四十人。"
From Google Translate: "Following the Taiwan Solidarity Alliance, another new political party Taiwan Number One Party" will be established in Taichung City today. Wei Ji-shu, the convener of the "Taiwan Number One Party", said last night that today's inaugural meeting will announce the first wave of eight legislative candidates, and the remaining candidates will be announced in two batches. It is expected that a total of 35 to 40 candidates will be recommended. Ten people."
Huang, Fu-qi 黃福其 (2001-09-13). "台灣吾黨明成立" [Taiwan Number One Party was officially established]. United Evening News [zh] (in Chinese). p. 10.
The article notes: "由無黨籍地方山頭串連籌組的新政黨「台灣吾黨」,明天下午將在台中市舉行創黨大會,之後向內政部報備登記。核心人士說,為避免成員「困擾」,明天的創黨大會將不特別安排介紹成員議程,以求低調,目前已發邀請函請各政黨派代表觀禮,立法院長王金平、台聯黨主席黃主文已確定與會。"
From Google Translate: "The new political party "Taiwan Number One Party", organised by a group of non-party local Shantou, will hold a founding meeting in Taichung City tomorrow afternoon, and will then register with the Ministry of the Interior. Core sources said that in order to avoid "distress" for members, there will be no special arrangement to introduce the members' agenda at tomorrow's founding meeting in order to keep a low profile. At present, invitation letters have been sent to invite representatives from all political parties to attend the ceremony. Legislative Yuan Wang Jin-pyng and Taiwan United Party Chairman Huang Chu-wen confirmed to attend."
Huang, Fu-qi 黃福其 (2001-08-23). "立委陳超明確定加入 台灣吾黨成員 首批月底亮相" [Legislator Chen Chao-ming confirmed to join. The first batch of Taiwan Number One Party members will appear at the end of the month]. United Evening News [zh] (in Chinese). p. 7.
The article notes: "繼台聯黨成立,由無黨籍地方山頭串聯籌組中的新政黨,決定訂名「台灣吾黨」,並敲定黨徽、黨歌,預定本月底前會有第一批成員公開現身,宣布成立新政黨,同時向內政部報備登記。立院無黨籍聯盟成員陳超明首度證實自己將加入台灣吾黨。"
From Google Translate: "Following the establishment of the Taiwan United Party, a new political party being organized by the local Shantou Alliance without party membership has decided to name it "Taiwan Number One Party" and finalise the party emblem and song. It is scheduled that the first group of members will appear in public before the end of this month and announce Establish a new political party and register it with the Ministry of Interior at the same time. Chen Chao-ming, a member of the Legislative Yuan Non-Party Alliance, confirmed for the first time that he will join the Taiwan Number One Party."
"國會改選民進黨87席躍居第一大立委:國民黨68 親民黨46 台聯13 新黨台灣吾黨各1席無黨籍9 縣市長:民進黨9 國民黨9 親民黨拿下台東連江縣新黨保有金門縣無黨籍2" [Congress was re-elected and the Progressive Party became the largest legislator with 87 seats: Kuomintang 68, People First Party 46, Taiwan Federation 13, New Party Taiwan We Party 1 seat each, no party membership 9 County mayors: Democratic Progressive Party 9, Kuomintang 9, People First Party won Taitung Lianjiang The county’s new party retains Kinmen County party membership 2]. Economic Daily News [zh] (in Chinese). 2001-12-02.
The article notes: "在第五屆立委選舉方面,民進黨昨天展現全面爆發力 ... 山地原住民瓦歷斯·貝林則為台灣吾黨奪下一席"
From Google Translate: "In terms of the fifth legislative election, the Democratic Progressive Party showed full explosive power yesterday. ... mountain aboriginal Walis Perin won one seat for the Taiwan Number One Party"
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The result was keep and move to Aberystwyth noir. The main contention on the Delete side seems to be around the poor title, rather the underlying notability of the novel series. Owen×☎20:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The series, or at least the books, are notable from what I've found, but the protagonist isn't. Since there's no article for the series/book, the only option is to delete. If such an article is created, this could be redirected there instead. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!20:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Despite the title of the article, the contents are clearly covering the actual book series, rather than the main character. If there are enough sources to build a reception section, I would be fine with the article simply being renamed to "Aberystwyth Noir" and cleaned up a bit. I just did a very cursory search and didn't find a whole lot covering the series as a whole, but it seems like the individual books got some reviews. Failing that, the title should probably still be changed to "Aberystwyth Noir" and used as a redirect to Malcolm Pryce#Aberystwyth noir. Rorshacma (talk) 00:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename/refocus on book series. We have a few straggler articles like this, where it’s written after the protagonist and not the series, and when the series is notable it’s best to refocus and not delete. A lot of the plot would be reusable for that so it’s not quite like writing a whole different article. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I've gone ahead and refocused the article as requested in this AfD. The prior version can be seen here. It still needs a lot of work, but I've added a few things here and there to help establish notability. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。)22:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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How does a college short film that is screened at its own parent company's film festival yield notability? Annapurna College of Film and Media is owned by the same people as Annapurna Studios. The only reliable source is The Hindu which talks about four other short films too, not just this film. The Telugucinema.com source is about the festival and not the film. All other sources are unreliable (not listed as such at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Guidelines_on_sources because there are so many unreliable sources that exist and not possible to list all of them. tollywoodbuzz.com has the same reliability as Tracktollywood.com or Tollywood.net.
Delete. Fails WP:NFILM. Only two reliable sources, The Hindu and telugucinema and rest all are unreliable. The Hindu source has no significant coverage on the short film and telugucinema is about the school that created the short film. Short film is not notable. Redirect to the school page was considered but the school page is poor with only 1 source that has no notability and significant coverage. RangersRus (talk) 13:57, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Non-notable student film; the only coverage to be found is already used in the article. These aren't sufficient to show notability; one is minimal and the other appears related to the subject. Oaktree b (talk) 19:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. This is a run-of-the-mill college softball team that compiled a mediocre 24–24 record, won no championships and did not advance to the playoffs or have other notable accomplishments. Lacks WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources and is based instead on databases sources and/or routine press releases from non-independent, captive sources such as the school and conference websites. Cbl62 (talk) 19:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, aside from specific games as a WP:PRESSRELEASE in the local newspaper every now and then, I've not found season recaps that are not tied to an NCAA source or the college. It's the same with the 2024 version. Conyo14 (talk) 22:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. This is a run-of-the-mill college softball team that compiled a mediocre 21–22 record, won no championships and did not advance to the playoffs or have other notable accomplishments. Lacks WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources and is based instead on databases sources and/or routine press releases from non-independent, captive sources such as the school and conference websites. Cbl62 (talk) 19:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. This is a run-of-the-mill college softball team that compiled a mediocre 20–33 record, won no championships and did not advance to the playoffs or have other notable accomplishments. Lacks WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources and is based instead on databases sources and/or routine press releases from non-independent, captive sources such as the school and conference websites. Cbl62 (talk) 18:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. This is a run-of-the-mill college softball team that compiled a mediocre 23-27 record, won no championships and did not advance to the playoffs or have other notable accomplishments. Lacks WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources and is based instead on databases sources and/or routine press releases from non-independent, captive sources such as the school and conference websites. Cbl62 (talk) 18:43, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - I don't see how this is a case of NOTCRYSTAL? It's an article about an election that is scheduled and expected to happen and has non-trivial and verifiable information. Bluepotato81 (talk) 09:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It actually has no real information about the election. We don't even know if those councillors in the infobox will be contesting the election. AusLondonder (talk) 21:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: More explanation and policy consideration in the comments would help. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, DoczillaOhhhhhh, no!05:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Staggering lack of sources -- all coverage is from the local government, which is obviously not independent. The lone non-government source makes no mention of this election. This is undeniably a case of CRYSTAL, and I question whether this election will ever be notable considering the articles on previous years are sourced to the city council itself and one local newspaper (failing GNG and SUSTAINED). JoelleJay (talk) 23:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are simply no sources at all (much less geographically broad sources) that provide significant coverage of this election, and that means it's clearly not notable at the moment. (Some parts of CRYSTAL do apply too, but focusing on it instead of the underlying issue, notability, can sometimes steer the discussion the wrong way.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisted to discuss the issue of whether sufficient sources are available for this topic. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I did not find any sources that help with notability here. No predjudice to recreation when more sources appear closer to the election. Esolo5002 (talk) 18:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Biography of a person, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing Wikipedia inclusion criteria. As always, notability is not inherited, so people don't get Wikipedia articles just for being related to other people per se, and have to be the subject of a WP:GNG-worthy volume of reliable source coverage about them doing something noteworthy -- but being a family member of other people is the only notability claim on offer here, and the only footnote in the entire article is a genealogy of her husband on a Blogger blog, which is not a reliable or GNG-building source. Simply having been married to somebody is not "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have more substantive content, and better referencing for it, than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As an AfC reviewer and also just a person on the internet, I can tell you that it is absolutely untrue that "everyone knows" we've never done original research. -- asilvering (talk) 18:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need to say "which everyone know's we've never done." This was my first article and so I didn't know. You don't need to be rude because I'm a teenager who was just trying to be constructive? I'm disheartened to see my first article go to nothing as I spent a lot of time looking for research only for it to be deleted, but I understand if she's not notable. However, why did some pages, like her son's, have her with a red link if it wasn't possible for her to have a page? I'm upset it needs to go, but I just wish you could've been nicer about it, Bearian. Ali Beary
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Keep - Plenty of sources exist, as per the Mccapra and Left guide. Note to nominator Plasticwonder, I know you are relatively new, but I'm wondering if you are aware that doing a WP:BEFORE search is considered best practices. AfD is not clean up. Netherzone (talk) 15:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this article for deletion as I do not believe that it meets the Wikipedia criteria for notability. In addition, it has had and continues to have a negative impact on the subject of the article and is poorly sourced in many places.
This article was first nominated for deletion in 2007 and later in 2010. At the time, it was argued that Glover did meet the Wikipedia notability criteria. However, a lot has changed since then and she is no longer active in modelling like she was once was.
I believe that given her relative lack of notability, in combination with her personal wishes for it to be removed, that the article should no longer be on Wikipedia as it doing her more harm than good.
But, even if notability is not temporary, a reassessment of its notability is still possible per those guidelines. The last time the article was deemed notable was 14 years ago. In the past 14 years, there has been a lot less media coverage on Louise Glover. Svenska356 (talk) 18:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. It contains only bits and pieces of the subject's life and career. All with a one-sided negative spin from the subject's twenties, and nothing about the following decade of charity work and fitness model achievements after she abandoned the glamour industry. Coolhandluke00 (talk) 18:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a lack of reliable sources on Glover's life after 2010 when the article was last nominated for deletion though. And, looking at the sources at least 8 of them, so almost a third are negative. That percentage is quite high given all the positive things she has done since 2010. As a result, I maintain that the article should be reassessed and deleted under the notability criteria. Svenska356 (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree this article should be deleted. Person in question is no longer in the public eye and original poster has only commented on the negative rather than positives resulting in a negative effect on person in questions mental health.
Keep - If the subject was notable in 2010 she is still notable. Whether the sources present positive or negative information is irrelevant. Some of the sources are difficult to assess right now because archive.org is offline but hopefully that will be resolved soon. (For the closer, I will also note that both of the delete votes apart from the nom come from accounts that have zero edits other than to this discussion. The nom also has no edits other than to the subject article and to this discussion. The nom mentions the subject's wishes, and the nom and the two delete !voters mention the subject's recent activities, which aren't mentioned in any sources that have been provided, all of which suggests possible COI editing by all three accounts. The article has a recent history of undisclosed COI editing, such as from User:Happiness2018 who is now blocked for COI editing, and from User:82.33.38.46 whose talk page clearly shows COI.) CodeTalker (talk) 22:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@CodeTalker Hello, could you please kindly unbold your mention of delete !votes as it may be technically, visually and procedurally confusing? Thank you (rather use a cap letter, italics or quotation marks). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)18:19, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - notability is not temporary; once notable, always notable. If there is too much weight given to negative incidents and not enough to positive, then this can be fixed by editing. Wikipedia is not censored and if there are reliable sources confirming the negative incidents then they should be covered. Spiderone(Talk to Spider)17:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your points. At the very least, the subject article does need attention so that more weight is put on positive achievements, especially in the past decade or so. As user 'ItsKesha' stated, the subject has continued to receive media coverage as of this week. Some of these more recent sources should be used to update the article, so that it offers a more recent and balanced reflection of the subject's life activities, be they good or bad. Svenska356 (talk) 19:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand if the article is kept. However, the main issue I have with this outcome is still the level of harm it could cause to the subject versus the benefit of keeping the article on wikipedia.
The deletion policy itself states that "Discussions concerning biographical articles of relatively unknown, non-public figures, where the subject has requested deletion and there is no rough consensus may be closed as delete."
Although, there has been a little bit of media coverage on the subject recently, it is sporadic at best. I concede that it may still pass the notability criteria on paper, but I think that keeping the article up comes down to a moral issue.
The subject, per the latest media coverage, is currently experiencing homelessness. It is possible that the negative information about them on this article is holding them back from career opportunities and contributing to their current circumstances.
Going back to the moral issue, I believe that removing this article is the best course of action from a Utilitarian perspective. I understand the importance of rules and guidelines on Wikipedia. However, I also believe that, in the pursuit of the greatest utility and well-being for the greatest number, there sometimes needs to be room for exceptions.
In my view, the subject's personal circumstances warrant such an exception despite the notability criteria. The subject is no longer as notable and as visible in the public eye as they once were. And there is little information on them past 2007 as a result. This Wikipedia article is not benefitting the subject at all and is of little benefit to the general public. When weighed out, you will find that the level of average utility would increase were the article to be removed.
A strictly deontological approach to decision making disregards empathy. Given the subject's circumstances, I believe that it is very important to act with empathy and take an approach that would minimise the continued harm to the subject's reputation and life opportunities.
As I said at the start, I understand if you decide to keep the article. But, before coming to a decision, I urge you to take the subject's difficult personal circumstances into account in combination with the continued effects this article could have on their personal and professional life. Svenska356 (talk) 23:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please kindly remove your bolded !vote indication. Nominators are, unless they indicate otherwise, counted as "!voting" Delete and this might be considered a double !vote, which is not permitted. (No opinion on the subject myself, just a netiquette reminder. )Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)18:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Clearly notable, clearly still notable as in the two current sources cited above. Clearly not someone trying to disappear from public sight, as she is telling her story on Instagram. Past criminal offences are a fact, properly sourced. But the article can be rebalanced by including content from the recent newspaper article: septicemia, climbing to Everest Base Camp as a charity fundraiser, recent work as dog-walker, etc. PamD07:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the article should be edited to reflect her more recent activities. It is a delisted good article at the moment in part due to being out of date. If deletion isn't an option, then it needs some attention at the very least. Svenska356 (talk) 19:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify or delete if not improved: The article is extremely sparse at present and everything there is already covered in other articles. But the historical-cultural idea of "northwest India" (as opposed to specifically the Indus Valley, Punjab, etc.) does seem to have some scholarly attention, at least from outsiders: [14], [15]. If the article weren't fairly new, I would be a firm delete, but I'm willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt for now. But the article as it is isn't ready for mainspace.WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As the author of the article, I don't have much to add to it or to voice on its fate. Some options might be to merge the contents into Northwestern South Asia, to redirect to Northwest India#Ancient era, or if seen as necessary, to create a new article called 'Northwestern Indian subcontinent' and then include the post-1947 history of the region as well into that article. GreekApple123 (talk) 16:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I don’t support a redirect as this isn’t a plausible search term, and there’s nothing to merge because the content in this article duplicates content we already have in the relevant articles. This article is entirely redundant. Mccapra (talk) 17:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Misleading article. There's nothing called Persian well, subject actually refers to Persian wheel and is a WP:Content fork of that article. Kalhana's Rajatarangini is not ancient, it was written in 12th century and, by that time, this mechanism was already popular. The Doom Patrol (talk) 13:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ThadeusOfNazereth, the problem with redirecting is that this name is non-existent. There's nothing called "Persian well", you can Google it. The article creator just put a name to the wells in which Persian wheels are used. There's nothing special about the well.--The Doom Patrol (talk) 09:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Claims of meager sourcing were adequately refuted, but no clear consensus either way. Feel free to renominate in six months. Owen×☎17:17, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:BLPFAMILY. Daughter of Warren Buffett. Lots on her family background connections, but no indication she ever did anything notable herself. Even her so-called charitable work is focused on a family foundation that provides grants. — Maile (talk) 15:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She is the chair of three of the Buffett family foundations. My renewed access to newspapers.com is still in progress, but once that is restored I expect I can find more sourcing on her work. In the meantime, she has extended coverage in the 2006 New York Times article that covers all three siblings,[1] and she is profiled in the books by Joyce Roché [2] and the Huffington Post.[3] I have done some tidying up removing uncitated statments about her in order to focus on the foundations she leads. DaffodilOcean (talk) 23:58, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am researching the Buffett family for an article I'm writing, and came straight to this specific page which I found helpful. She is the eldest daughter of one of the best-known investors of all time, and beyond that she plays an increasingly active role in philanthropic endeavours.
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this article is edited and created by with same name. i suspect conflict of interest. and format of that article is not ok, for example what about "Quotes by Ashu Gaur"? we have separete project for this. please delete. other people wait weeks for approving an article but that user just created.. how? ----modern_primatඞඞඞTALK12:27, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can't find any independent, reliable coverage of this subject. There are a few promo/paid sources but even those are few. No indication of passing WP:GNG. Knitsey (talk) 14:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not enough sources for the person to be an article in Wikipedia. Article is more like a biography which is against the rules of Wikipedia. Editor created an article for himself, as shown by his wikipedia name and the spelling mistakes. Therefore, this article should be deleted. User5515 (talk) 07:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Page creator seems to have a thing for creating articles with little to no notable sources, which is why his talk page is littered with notices of deletion discussions. Like the nominator suggested it does indeed fail WP:GNG.Plasticwonder (talk) 17:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify. Could not find coverage in newspaper archives, hits on google limited to non-RS and primary sources. There is some bewildering coverage in something called The Daily Star, but this touts itself as The Daily Star is the global home of fun. [...] Whether it's appointing the galaxy's very first Extra Terrestrial Reporter to cover all the latest alien news or getting our body language experts to reveal the secrets that miserable celebrities didn't want you to know. so it seems no better than a tabloid. I did find this, which could contain SIGCOV, so draftifying is an option I guess.. JoelleJay (talk) 20:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Propose redirect to List of laptop brands and manufacturers (or another target). Prose primarily consists of unsupported and, at times, subjective and vague assertions. The list seems like it has a useful navigational purpose, but is more or less redundant to Dell's section on the broader list. This proposal is not for lack of notability but because the content is not suitable for an encyclopedia, I would otherwise have suggested a merge (to a different target). Bringing this to AFD instead of BLARing because it was previously PRODed. Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete all: Not notable in the aggregate, and bus stops are constantly being added, deleted, and removed, making this topic difficult to keep up to date (much like the lists of airline destinations, which are usually deleted). WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 10:23, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could someone explain the difference between these articles and a list of Amtrak stations or list of Wisconsin State highways or anything like that? Thanks. Znns (talk) 03:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Someone might be able to explain better than I can in terms of Wikipedia policy, but my thinking is just that things like train stations and highways are much more permanent physical infrastructure (and therefore significant/notable), whereas buses can stop anywhere and the routes themselves change somewhat frequently. I could be convinced to vote keep on this, I'm not fully sure it needs to be deleted, but it definitely feels less notable than other transportation-related lists. Rovenrat (talk) 13:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Has an entry on page 10 of Manrupe, Raúl; Portela, María Alejandra (2003). Un diccionario de films argentinos II 1996-2002. Buenos Aires: Editorial Corregidor. . Has reviews in Argentine publications. Some cast and crew articles are notable and can be created.♦ Dr. Blofeld13:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What an inappropriate comment. Just look at the HUGE number of film articles Dr. Blofeld has created and do keep it mind. I have saved a number of them, whose notability was contested by users who didn’t bother looking for sources and prefered to take them to AfD, or tag them: they proved totally notable in the end. Was a BEFORE in Spanish performed? What, rather, do you have to say about Dr. Blofeld’s comment? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)17:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see what is inappropriate about my comment and I do not care how many articles he created. If it isn't notable, it is not worth being on the Wiki. Plasticwonder (talk) 17:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You cannot see how your comment about an extremely prolific contributor is inapporpriate? You do not care? Very well. Still, you failed to reply to the comment Dr Blofeld has made and to the sources he mentioned and to reply to my question. I will leave it at that. Have a look at the page and the Spanish corresponding article, thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)17:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, inappropriate comment, so forced to reply one last time. These are twosources. The book, a reference book regarding Argentine cinema, as I am sure you know, has a comment from the authors (negative) and it includes a quote (very negative too) from a review (cited in the book) in an Argentine periodical at the time of the release. If someone is being disingeneous, here, not sure it’s me, but you are certainly not making any effort to assume good faith, and I do hope the closing administrator will note that. I’ve added sources to the page, rapidly, anyway. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank)18:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable, this is an unnamed train and the "name" is basically "[TERMINAL A]-[TERMINAL B] Express" (redirect therefore makes little sense). The name in the title does not even match the name inside the article. Delete as a very wordy and hard to read substitute for run-of-the-mill line(s) in a railroad timetable. As such, all the arguments of WP:NOTTIMETABLE, WP:NOTADATABASE, WP:ROTM apply. A full discussion about multiple similar articles can be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barauni–Lucknow ExpressВикидим (talk) 06:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This is an Unipessoal Lda that's on the FT1000 list of fastest growing companies... as rank 727. Outside of those WP:ORGTRIV awards in that section, there is essentially zero coverage of the company. I'd almost A7 it. Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:42, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Would it be a good idea to increase the golf club articles on wikipedia so they match other sports like football? I know this is not the most notible example but it is the club I know most about. LeonKnight (talk) 19:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: some rule establishing equity along the lines of Title IX between the soccer and other sports would be nice to have, but IMHO another direction is beneficial (trimming the soccer). Викидим (talk) 05:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if newspapers circulating in Cornwall cover it it would be notable in mid Cornwall but that might not be enough for general notability. Perhaps a summary paragraph in St Austell would be enough.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 04:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Multiple references (already found on the article) are stating that he is claiming to be the current head of the FLDS church, I will hunt down some more sources. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 12:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify -- I feel like draftifying this until further notability is presented later on is suitable, considering he is the son of a cult leader so there is probably something likely to come up in the future and if these sources are presented by User:Thief-River-Faller then we could improve on the article. 79lives (talk) 17:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:INVALIDBIO So far, we only know he's a presumed possible heir to his imprisoned father. And possibly being used to carry out his father's wishes. He may or may not be viewed by others as his father's heir as a cult leader, but Wikipedia does not predict or presume the future. — Maile (talk) 01:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist. I'll just add that no new sources have been added during this AFD. A review of sources might be useful as there is not much discussion of them here. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!05:37, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Confrontation (Rackham). I see consensus that the sources, including those added during the three weeks this AfD has been running, are not sufficient to meet our guidelines for a standalone article. Owen×☎18:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable corporation that fails GNG (no inherited notability from a product to it's designer), what little coverage exists is routine coverage of corporate changes and going bankrupt. Suggest redirect & merge of relevant content to Confrontation (Rackham), their most popular game. Macktheknifeau (talk) 23:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I have found several relevant sources that talk about the company's beginnings, and its production numbers at peak operation, before the slide into insolvency began. I've also rewritten the article to make it a bit more coherent. Guinness323 (talk) 02:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment You are aware this needs to be considered under WP:NCORP? That means we need sources that meet WP:CORPDEPTH, which says Deep or significant coverage provides an overview, description, commentary, survey, study, discussion, analysis, or evaluation of the product, company, or organization. Such coverage provides an organization with a level of attention that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements, and makes it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization. All references must meet WP:SIRS. Nothing on the article seems to meet that. Are we able to find anything better? This is not my !vote as I have not yet conducted my own searches, but we will need more than this. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to a lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, which questions its notability. If the available references are mostly self-published or promotional, it further supports the case for deletion.--Jiaoriballisse (talk) 14:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Confrontation (Rackham): All the sources used in the article are routine coverage concerning acquisitions, insolvency, etc. Conducting a search I couldn't find any reliable sources, which are independent of the subject and which are secondary and cover the company in depth and in detail. That is it appears to fail WP:NCORPTarnishedPathtalk03:56, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Backstab Magazine (I found a copy of it online and translated it) is a few paragraphs with the company owner giving a background on himself and some marketing fluff on their games. Not significant enough to qualify for GNG for the company. Miniatures Collectors Guide source is a database of various products put out, routine coverage, certainty not significant enough to confer notability. The last 4 sources are all minor, routine coverage of the corporate restructurings. I haven't changed my view that a deletion is appropriate unless multiple examples of in-depth, significant coverage of the company are found to satisfy NCORP. Macktheknifeau (talk) 12:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Confrontation (Rackham) per TarnishedPath. I have evaluated the sources found to date and confirm I have found nothing better. There is one source that I cannot find (not helped by the partial state of the Internet Archive just now). If anyone can help find Bouet (2001), I'd be happy to look at it. It may well be the best source. Even if it meets WP:SIRS we would not have multiple sources that do, so I think I can safely !vote. Not notable for a page, but the reader would be well served by the redirect to the Confrontation page, which would also be a good target for expanding information about the company (particularly the insolvency, which is the only thing we have anything much to say about). Here's my assessment:
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The result was no consensus. It appears we are no further ahead than we were when Star Mississippi closed the bundled nomination seven months ago. There seems to be some agreement that the topic is notable, and that a general article about Finnish exonyms could be written, but that this minimal-prose, extensive list isn't it. Editors are encouraged to expand the prose and trim down the list to a few examples needed to support it, or to discuss a merger to a more general article on the Talk page. Despite the popularity of the WP:TNT essay, cleanup via deletion is not supported by policy for this type of situation. Owen×☎18:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Finnish names for random places around the world are not encyclopedic; however, Finnish names for parts of Russia that used to be a part of Finland are encyclopedic, and the same might pertain to Sweden and Norway - Finns/Kven are a recognized minority in Norway and some places in Norway e.g. Porsanger have official Finnish names. Indeed, there is a Finnish exonyms for places in Norway. Perhaps there also should be a Finnish exonyms for places in Russia, and maybe Sweden, and this main Finnish exonyms page be an index for those two/three. Remove the rest. Geschichte (talk) 06:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is reasonable to cull exonyms that are simply a matter of spelling rules (in effect, a transliteration). But the rest are useful. There has been an attempted stealth cull of these pages. There should have been an announcement at least on Talk:Endonym and exonym.OsFish (talk) 05:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There are some good sources discussing Finnish exonyms here:
Trim: A few names in the list are evidently not cognate to the respective endonyms, and I'd preserve these. Otherwise, delete as trivial; each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography, okay, we get it. —Tamfang (talk) 23:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This is a confusing AFD discussion to close because almost all participants are making editing recommendations and, if offering a closure outcome, it is dependent on future changes happening to this article if it is Kept. I will relist this discussion in hopes of more specific feedback being offered but right now it looks like No consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!04:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (struck out, see below Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)). The topic is notable. There is a clear consensus to trim the entries per WP:NOTDICT. However, there are also sources which can be used to improve the article beyond a mere list of words. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 04:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There are literally thousands of active languages in the world, many are quite obscure. Keeping the articles of the "List of ...ian exonyms" with seemingly random selection of entries and practically no sources offered for verification (this article actually is of this type) will be a very bad precedent, as it will be inviting hoaxes (this is not the one, but who will be checking spelling of, say, Bangkok in Rotokas?). The preceding explanation is IMHO one of the (many) reasons for WP:NOTDICTIONARY, which is IMHO very clearly violated here (there is zero non-dictionary material here, indeed, an entry of a decent geographic dictionary contains more information than here). --Викидим (talk) 05:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd expect that in case of Rotokas it will not be easy to find sources that discuss the history of exonyms in Rotokas language. The sources in my earlier comment provide such information. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 05:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You propose to discuss not the article in question, but some other one that can be, quite probably, written. I might (and most likely, will) change my position once I see this other article. As-is, I see no reason to keep the existing text while waiting for the new one: the current list and your (very reasonable) proposal do not appear to share practically any text, so WP:TNT logic might be useful. Викидим (talk) 06:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In AfD we often consider whether the topic offers possibilities for an article, not necessarily its current state. But I agree that my vision of the future article might be divergent enough from its current state to merit the TNT. I'll strike my !vote now, and will perhaps recreate a different article under this title in the future. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting. I'd like to hear some opinions from editors more experienced in AFD article and source reviews. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk!04:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Passes GNG and NFILM. The sources, even though non English, shows decent reviews and in depth analysis, and aren't passing mentions. SIGCOV cleared therefore and can be kept as a standalone article. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I can see many people with the same name, but I’m not convinced this one is notable. Just being chairman of a football club isn’t sufficient. Mccapra (talk) 03:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Keep: The club that they served for plays in Turkey's top league, and soccer in Turkey is a big deal. It is very reasonable to expect lot of coverage in the national and local press. (In fact, almost all prior chairmen of this club have an article on the Turkish Wikipedia, which has very similar notability guidelines to ours and an active community to enforce them.) Since the time that they served was in the pre-internet era, it is not easy to find them online. There is one newspaper source already cited in the article from 2001, from the Turkish newspaper Zaman, but the Internet Archive is down, and the newspaper itself is no longer active. Since we can not easily access it, should we simply ignore it? WP:PAPERONLYTheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 16:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we can't keep it, please consider redirecting to Samsunspor. Chairmen of a sports clubs in Turkey are similar to owners in NFL, they make all the key decisions: who to hire, who to appoint to be the coach, so they get a lot of press coverage. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 04:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Article was deleted after an uncontested PROD, was recreated in substantially the same shape without a WP:RFU. The original PROD was along the lines (no copy in the log): Non-notable, this is an unnamed train and the "name" is basically "[TERMINAL A]-[TERMINAL B] Express" (redirect therefore makes little sense). Delete as a very wordy and hard to read substitute for run-of-the-mill line(s) in a railroad timetable. As such, all the arguments of WP:NOTTIMETABLE, WP:NOTADATABASE, WP:ROTM apply. A full discussion about multiple similar articles can be found at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barauni–Lucknow Express. Викидим (talk) 02:37, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, there is no hope of notability if it's so unimportant it doesn't even have an name; as per nom the title is made up by the author JumpytooTalk05:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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