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2024 Lamar Lady Cardinals softball team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSEASONS. This is a run-of-the-mill college softball team that compiled a mediocre 26–25 record, won no championships and did not advance to the playoffs or have other notable accomplishments. Lacks WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources and is based instead on databases sources and/or routine press releases from non-independent, captive sources such as the school and conference websites. Cbl62 (talk) 23:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Clare Dimyon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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There's only one article (After Ellen) that is significant coverage of Clare Dimyon. The MBE is the UK's lowest state honour, with hundreds awarded every year. There are simply too many of them being awarded to make anyone who receives them notable Ynsfial (talk) 16:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vande Bharat (Sleeper) Express (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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as per the pervious discussion above. Not enough sources to state this is a different service from Vande Bharat Express SKAG123 (talk) 23:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge with Vande Bharat Express as per nom.

  SKAG123 (talk) 23:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge with Vande Bharat Express: There is no indication that this would be a separate service. If, in the future, it is announced that this is a separate service, we can create an article for that service. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 08:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge as suggested and Too Soon. Bearian (talk) 15:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Vande Bharat Express is logical suggestion.--Indian Agent (talk) 20:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge due to Too Soon seems acceptable. Bunnypranav (talk) 16:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vidya Vathi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No reliable sources. Sakshi source doesn't seem to mention her. Not sure if meets WP:NACTOR because the three films that she played lead roles in do not have sources or Wikipedia articles. DareshMohan (talk) 18:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• delete: I could not find any significant coverage of the subject, actually I could not find mention in any reliable sources. That makes the subject fail general notability guidelines. The subject also fails notability criteria for actors as she doesnt have significant roles in any notable film. Whatever credits the actress has for notable films, are not significant. —usernamekiran (talk) 01:49, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Gibbs (darts player) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Old, poorly referenced article. Couldn't find anything on a WP:BEFORE. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TeleZapper (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Unsourced article and has been tagged as such since 2011. Very little information to be found, one review but mostly just adverts. Nthep (talk) 22:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Although the article doesn't have any sourcing to speak of, that's because it's very old. I'm coming in at a Keep after finding some hits for this in books and magazines on a Google Books search. Andre🚐 01:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Passes GNG. The Wall Street Journal wrote about it. Here's another news source attributed to "AP Technology Writer" and also published here. I'm not sure about the usability of the rest of these, but in case they're useful, it's Mentioned in this book, andthis one and this one. It was discussed in a congressional committee hearing and a book on marketting refrom. It's listed in this index. McYeee (talk) 19:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Then please add the sources to the article. Most of those you have listed are paywalled or geo-locked to me, so I can't read them to add them. Nthep (talk) 14:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of Science in Latin America and the Caribbean (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A draft that was moved into mainspace by its creator. Seems to be promoting a scholarly database and no independent sources turned up by a before search. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:51, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  This is part of a class assignment. It is still in progress, so please don't delete. JuliaerodriguezUNH (talk) 23:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  First, tell your professor that your grade should not depend upon whether or not you successfully write a Wikipedia article that avoids deletion, because that is out of your control. Second, anything moved out of draft space into the realm of articles is fair game for a deletion debate. Third, if no reliable sources talk about this database, then we can't have an article about it here. Fourth, you've basically copied the original website. For example, it says a virtual archive of over 200 primary sources along with introductions based on the latest scholarly findings, while you wrote a virtual archive containing over 200 primary documents, each accompanied by introductions informed by the latest scholarly research. It says, We hope the database will be useful for teaching, research, or general interest purposes for viewers curious about the history of science. You wrote, This resource is designed to support teaching, research, and general interest, catering to those eager to explore the region's scientific history. It says, For centuries, novelists, politicians, investors, and tourists have looked at Latin America and the Caribbean as an extraordinary place of natural wealth and diverse human populations. You wrote, For centuries, Latin America and the Caribbean have been viewed as regions of natural wealth and diverse populations, attracting explorers and scientists. To be blunt, this is plagiarism by close copying. That's bad. Very bad. XOR'easter (talk) 00:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As you may have guessed, this is my first time doing Wiki anything. My intent was to make the article accessible for my classmates to edit - I did not realize that it went public into a space outside of our class group for the public to view. As such, I have deleted all text..

  Obviously that is on me, chalk this up to a learning experience.

  I requested to move it back to the draft space and I was not allowed to. Is that, is that because it is pending deletion or user error on my part? I just want to know whether to make edits to this draft or begin a new page.

  Thanks for the criticism/help. Traviscnason (talk) 09:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Moving an article while a deletion discussion is open is generally frowned upon, just because it confuses the situation. If you want to make further edits, you can do those on the article where it is now. I advise two things: start by listing the references that aren't the database itself, and put more work into writing in your own words. The first is necessary because we need references like that to show that the topic merits an article, and the second is necessary to avoid copyright problems. XOR'easter (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Draftify, so that whatever text is needed for the class assignment can be readded without harm. Sgubaldo (talk) 11:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andre Walker Hair Typing System (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Most of the sources are bad:

• "Curlcentric" - looks to just be mostly trying to sell you something

• "Women Health Info Blog" - is, well, a blog, one that looks to be by a "Prof. Dr. Gayane Dolyan Descornet" and seems to check out( maybe they deserve their own article? I see this so they've been around for a while) but is still basically just a self-published blog.(from my understanding we wouldn't cite a totally self published blog by Neil Degrasse Tyson on astromy related stuff afterall)

• Oprah.com - Yea totally not a problematic source to have your boss promote your system

• studio2121 - 404'd, but is regardless just literally an actual hair salon

this leaves the two podcasts and probably the strongest sources for the existence of this article being 99% Invisible and "The Stoop", haven't heard of the latter before, but it looks like something that could probably get its own article but just hasn't if it's press and awards page is to be believed

Anyway I'm basically arguing that everything but these two podcasts are bad sources, that leads into a bit of a more nebulous issue, that being that the system is basically considered bunk (yes, I know that a Reddit thread isn't the greatest of evidence, but I honestly don't know that much about this subject) or at least highly divisive on technical grounds (also supposedly racial grounds, but I don't really see it), and I only dived into this rabbithole because I saw this classification chart on the Hair article, and it just seemed so.....unscientific? I'm not sure, but I feel like this only exists as a page because someone attached to someone famous came up with it.

If this is successfully deleted, I'd also call for the nuking of Hair#Classification_systems for similar grounds, because unlike the main article that section isn't cited at all and neither is whatever the "FIA" system is. Akaibu (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment 1: Note for other editors, the nominator seems to be mass nominating articles for deletion after being temporarily blocked and then warned of a permanent block for disruptive editing (see their talk page). I will assume good faith that they are learning the rules.

Comment 2:I wrote the article after listening to the 99% Invisible episode, I'll work on adding more references to resolve the issue, please give me a few days to do this before adding your feedback as once I add the additional refs your comments will be out of date. Thanks very much, John Cummings (talk) 18:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @John Cummings, I see that you have added more references, but they don't seem to me to be very reliable ones, as well as addressing the issues I brought up with the prior references used. Though yes I'm a newer editor so a second opinion on the reliability of the current references might be warranted, but I don't believe I'm wrong in this regard. Hopefully you can address those in your next edit to the page. Akaibu (talk) 14:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep There are reliable sources: Conde Nast's Allure (magazine), Byrdie (part of Dotdash Meredith), and Hairdressers Journal[1] (from Professional Beauty Group) seems a fairly major trade publication. Plus there are research papers. And WP:BIAS: articles primarily relevant to black women suffer due to lack of interest from WP editors, uncertainty about what's a reliable source, etc, as well as prejudice that such topics are unencyclopedic/trivial. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:34, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It doesn't look like WP:BEFORE was done before this nomination. In addition to sources already in the article (including the ones added today or yesterday), here are some others that come up even in a brief Google search:
  • Glamour: [2]
  • Essence: [3]
  • GQ: [4]
  • Proceedings of the International Conference on Image Processing, Computer Vision, and Pattern Recognition: [5]
  • ChemRxiv: [6]

So it clearly meets WP:CORPDEPTH. Softlavender (talk) 05:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angus Ross (darts player) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 23:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Will have coverage in Scottish newspapers. Competed foryears at the top level of his sport, even if he wasn't successful.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If there are sources in Scotland, then at least one containing IRS SIGCOV must be added to the article for this to be kept. Vaguewaving at sources is not a valid option. JoelleJay (talk) 20:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kenji Tanaka (footballer, born 2001) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I don't see much notability being granted by his playing 502 minutes of soccer in a lower tier in the US; after signing for a lowly team in the Brazilian Série D (not professional) he did not play at all, according to Soccerway. The Globo Esporte article about his signing looks like a press release, judging from the language and the pictures. Thus, this falls short of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 20:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV.Demt1298 (talk) 19:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – He only played for Orlando City B, in Brazil he did not make any appearances for Portuguesa-RJ. No longer professionally active [7]. Svartner (talk) 21:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 07:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenji Tanaka (footballer, born 1983) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT, with no significant and independent coverage (including in the ja:wiki, where all sources are primary), and 18 games in Japan's second and third leagues being his claim to notability. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 20:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 07:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Workspace as a Service (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Extended dictionary definition created directly to main by a novice editor. The topic is already included in As a service, so there is no rationale for a new stub. Original editor objected to a PROD (with some non-WP comments) on the talk page, so I am converting it to an AfD. Delete unless someone turns this into a real encyclopedic article, which I am dubious about. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - As noted, nothing more than a glorified dictionary definition at the moment and I fail to see a significant amount of unique content that could go there at the moment. If this becomes an actually significant concept that demands its own artilce in the future, we can build an article then. No use keeping a stub as a WP:CRYSTALBALL. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 23:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ldm1954 proposed this article to be deleted and said "There is already an entry in As a service. At most this should be replaced by a redirect and the sources added to that page". But according to that line of thinking, the article Windows 11 should also not exist because there is an entry about it at Microsoft Windows. Same for iPhone 8, Samsung Galaxy S8 and many others. Workspace as a Service looks too me like a stub that has the potential to be developed in the future as more companies are starting to provide such a service - just like the other stubs mentioned in the as a service article, like for example Blockchain as a service, Content as a service or Logging as a service. Arwenz (talk) 20:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• The problem is that unlike Windows 11, this article does not have sufficient media coverage or exploration. If it becomes more explored in the future, then we can resurrect the article when that happens. However, as it stands, we simply don't see anything worth more than just looking at the title at the moment. Delete per above. (And per WP:OtherStuffExists, the last three articles you linked have very valid arguments for deletion as well.) Aaron Liu (talk) 19:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Redirect - I've read all the references and still don't understand how WaaS is not just a minor variation of desktop virtualization. Brandon (talk) 04:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect. Either to desktop virtualization or a section thereof (preferred) or as a service#Workspace as a Service. No objection to deletion either if closer believes consensus is unclear between that and redirect, though if the issue is with targeting that's really RfD's problem, not ours. As far as I can tell, it's just "VDI but cloud", and that's about as clear of a WP:NOPAGE as we're going to get. Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm fine with a redirect to either and preferably the latter. Aaron Liu (talk) 11:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect (to any page depending on consensus). It has a lot of room for improvement, so would not suggest delete. Bunnypranav (talk) 16:24, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Energy-assisted magnetic recording (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Novice user created this page which is an extended WP:DICTIONARY definition. There already exists a page on Heat assisted magnetic recording, and Microwave assisted magnetic recording is mentioned in quite a few existing pages. I added a PROD, but novice editor objected (on Talk page) so I am coverting it to an AfD. A decent article on Microwave assisted magnetic recording is a something that might be done, but this page is just an WP:DICTIONARY stub that combines heat and microwave without providing useful encyclopedic information. TNT as this is not a good starting point. Ldm1954 (talk) 19:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Ldm1954 proposed this article to be deleted and said "Both heat and microwave assisted magnetic recording pages already exist. There is no reason to duplicate." It is true that the article HAMR (heat assissted) exists but the article MAMR (microwave assisted) does not exist. HAMR and MAMR are forms of EAMR just like Windows 11 and Windows 10 are forms of Microsoft Windows and they still deserve their own articles. Ldm1954 wants to delete my contributions, as I mentioned at Talk:Workspace as a Service. This article is not a dictionary definition, I did my best to create an enciclopedic stub. Arwenz (talk) 19:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Please do not make inappropriate statements such as "Ldm1954 wants to delete my contributions". As part of WP:NPP I and others review new pages and check if they are appropriate. This one, as well as a couple of other stubs you have created fail standard review criteria. Please be more careful, and look at what is in other articles, read up on the notability guide in WP:Notability and also look at details such as the style guide WP:MOS and what Wikipedia is not WP:!. I think you have rushed in a bit, which is why you got blocked in July and have also had several articles removed or moved to draft space as well as edits reverted since July 2024. Ldm1954 (talk) 20:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment EAMR and Energy-assisted magnetic recording both seem like plausible search terms and so do Microwave assisted magnetic recording and MAMR. Ideally each of those would be a redirect, disambiguation, or other article. I have no opinion on whether WP:TNT applies, but if it does, redirecting somewhere to an appropriate section of HAMR seems like the thing to do in the mean time. McYeee (talk) 19:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per lack of significant coverage - a mix of original research and blogs with one primary source for color. Bearian (talk) 15:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per same reasoning as Bearian. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:38, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient TL (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article PRODded with reason "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODded with reason "Remove deletion tag, I explain the reasoning a separate message. It does not mean that the article cannot be improved". PROD reason still stands, hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I guess I am a little bit lost here, what does PROD reason means? Why citations do not count or is there something I overlooked? Sorry, I just try to provide sufficient evidence to retain the journal, but I need to know what is actually required. Besides, I suggest putting this at least on hold because the journal has currently got a new editor (this is not me) and will move to a new publication platform (https://www.soap2.ch/) with all the old articles properly tagged with DOI. GeoGammaMorphologe (talk) 18:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid the deletion of the entry for Ancient TL (ATL) from Wikipedia.com, I am providing evidence of the journal's relevance. First, a little bit of background: Ancient TL is the open-source and free-of-charge luminescence and electron-spin resonance dating community journal. The journal is run by volunteers from the academic community. The few articles published yearly are mainly of technical (such as conversion factors) nature of relevance to the experts in the field. Beyond, the journal publishes abstracts about completed theses in the field (source: http://ancienttl.org). The publications have no DOI (yet), and the journal needs to be indexed, which is related to the low number of publications yearly. Given the following evidence, The journal is of utmost relevance to the scientific community.

• According to Google Scholar, used in combination with the software Harzing's Publish or Perish (8.16.4748.9050 (2024.10.10.1451) (please double-check using those tools) the journal has received >12250 total citations in peer-reviewed journals with an average of 260 citations per year.
• The currently three most highly cited papers are: (1) G Adamiec, MJ Aitken (1998): 1701 citations, (2) G Guérin, N Mercier, G Adamiec (2011): 1276 citations, (3) S Kreutzer, C Schmidt, MC Fuchs, M Dietze, M Fischer, ... (2012): 345 citations
• The journal has an ISSN and is listed in https://search.worldcat.org/title/85448412?oclcNum=85448412
• The journal is also listed in https://zdb-katalog.de/list.xhtml?asc=false&t=Ancient+TL
• The journal is listed in university library systems, such as Heidelberg University: https://katalog.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=band%3Auw67801411&sess=b23f1762df67e79fdf73cfc0308ccf83&vr=1&mark=&spell=
• The journal is frequently cited by high-impact and listed journals. A few examples:
• Nature communications: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-51546-9 (three articles from Ancient TL cited  in the context of the technical part of the luminescence dating; supplement)
• Scientific reports: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-69913-3 (six times cited in the supplement regarding the luminescence dating: -> Supplementary Information 2)
• Science: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade4248 (five times in the supplement regarding the luminescence dating -> Anc. TL)
• Geochronology: https://gchron.copernicus.org/preprints/gchron-2024-19/ (four times, paper currently in open discussion)
• Quaternary Geochronology: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1871101424001067 (two times)
• ... please extend this list by randomly picking a recent international publication with luminescence/ESR ages that went through a proper peer-review (I guess not all have cited articles from Ancient TL, but most certainly).

@RandyKitty if this is not enough evidence, I may ask to provide actual arguments why the given evidence is not sufficient. Thank you! GeoGammaMorphologe (talk) 21:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I did a Google scholar search on "Ancient TL" and it shows quite a few papers with > 50 citations, some more than 100. I think this is enough to demonstrate that it is not fluff. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: nobody says that this is "fluff", but that is not enough to make a journal notable in the WP sense. That articles from the journal have racked up some citations is nothing out of the ordinary and certainly not enough to pass NJournals (and GNG even less). --Randykitty (talk) 15:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Randykitty I understand and see your point, but citations are the currency in academia. Why should authors, alleged experts in their field, cite a journal in peer-reviewed papers (and reviewers and editors agree) in journals such as Nature (communications) or Science regularly if what is published in this journal has no significance to the field? At least the high-impact journals are somewhat sensitive to non-essential references and frequently request their removal during the review process. Where do you draw the line then? Or differently formulated: What do you accept as evidence of the significance of a journal? The numbers I quoted are high in our field, but of course, compared to author disciplines such as medicine or chemistry, they are of little relevance. GeoGammaMorphologe (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  My understanding is that this is the threshold for notability: A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

  I'm not sure how one would demonstrate this for every article published in the journal, but perhaps some examples help. Take the following article: "Huntley, D.J., Baril, M.R., 1997. The K content of the K-feldspars being measured in optical dating or in thermoluminescence dating. Ancient TL, v.15, n.1, 1997." Google Scholar registers 716 citations of this article. Looking at the first page of results, citing articles come from reputable sources (Quaternary Geochronology, Quaternary Science Reviews, Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, Boreas, Science, Radiation Measurements, Science, Nature) and citing articles are themselves highly cited (cited by 662, 25, 63, 1189, 762, 546, 843, 169, 54, 683). Another example: "Kreutzer, S., et al., 2012. Introducing an R package for luminescence dating analysis. Ancient TL, v.30, n.1, 2012" This registers 345 citations. The first page of results show citing articles that are published in Nature Reviews, Science, Ancient TL, Science, Nature, Science Nature Ecology & Evolution, Nature, Quaternary Geochronology, and Quaternary Science Reviews. These citing articles are cited 169, 142, 158, 169, 341, 22, 26, 4 (published this year), 116, and 25 times.

  These articles are receiving significant coverage (highly cited), in reliable sources (Science, Nature, Quaternary Geochronology, Nature Reviews, and so on), that are independent of the source (with one exception, these citations are coming from other journals). One could replicate this analysis on many highly cited articles published in Ancient TL.

  Perhaps some users may interpret this threshold differently, but I argue that one could reasonable argue that Ancient TL meets this definition. TroutbeckRise (talk) 16:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. As a faculty researcher within the field of luminescence dating, I confirm that this journal is notable within our community. If the benchmark for notability is that a journal is known for publishing scholarly research in the spirit of GNG, Ancient TL plainly fits that definition. As detailed in a previous reply, a significant majority of all peer-reviewed journal articles which employ luminescence dating rely upon and cite work that was published in Ancient TL. Ancient TL also has historical importance for our field in that it, along with Radiation Protection and Dosimetry, was one of the first publications dedicated to this subfield. The scope of this journal is more restricted than most (usually involving technological advances germane to dating specialists) but the review process and editorial oversight are robust, and many individual articles are foundational to our field and highly cited. Finally, it should be re-emphasized that this journal is not predatory by any metric, but is a publication run by the scientific community which it serves. It is run on a volunteer basis and is diamond open access: it charges no fees to authors or readers. TroutbeckRise (talk) 14:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)— TroutbeckRise (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Comment: I appreciate your dedication to this journal. However, one requirement of WP is that statements need to be supported by independent reliable sources. Statements from WP editors unfortunately don't count as such. Unless you can come up with such sources (again, independent of the subject), your !vote will likely be ignored by the closing admin. --Randykitty (talk) 15:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Randykitty Also here, I do agree, but I like to know why what is provided is not independent? We have absolutely no influence on numbers generated by Google Scholar or the other author's and journals decisions to cite work from a certain articles. GeoGammaMorphologe (talk) 15:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The point is that none of those articles is about the journal. If this journal is so crucial to its field, how come there are no sources about that? Why is the journal not indexed in Scopus or the Science Citation Index or, indeed, any other index (not even less selective ones)? I understand that you'd like your journal to have an article here, but so far you have not provided any hard evidence. If even you editors yourselves can't find such evidence, it likely doesn't exist. --Randykitty (talk) 16:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  But perhaps the interpretation that inclusion within journal indices is the only viable metric of reputability is a narrow interpretation and one that is not codified into WP guidelines? Citation counts and the reputability of journals which cite Ancient TL articles are both independent of the source. Is there consensus that these metric do not count? If so, is this codified somewhere? I apologize for my ignorance here, but it strikes me that this singular reliance upon whether a journal is indexed is overly restrictive. TroutbeckRise (talk) 16:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Perhaps @GeoGammaMorphologe and I are demonstrating Criterion 2.b of the WP:Notability criteria: the journal is frequently cited by other reliable sources AND "the only reasonably accurate way of finding citations to journals are via bibliographic databases and citation indices, such as...Google Scholar." TroutbeckRise (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A little context might be useful here. The notability criterion used for academic journals are controversial e.g. see this discussion, or the tens of thousands of words spilled on the talk page of NJOURNALS. The fundamental criteria used to determine if a topic should have a standalone Wikipedia article is WP:GNG: "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." However, using the general notability guideline for journals is contentious because very, very few journals meet these criteria. Academics generally spend little time writing about their journals in depth (which would comprise significant coverage), and when they do there is often a COI (i.e. the writer lacks independence, such as an editor summarizing a journal's publication history in a retrospective or a "meta" note published with a journal issue). Using GNG isn't necessarily a problem, but many editors want looser standards for journal notability, for example because journals publish the reliable sources we often cite on Wikipedia and it serves readers to have information about the publishers of those cited sources. For that reason, editors write essays (like WP:NJOURNALS) that attempt to formulate alternative criteria. I want to emphasize that the criteria in that essay (such as C1, about indexing in selective database indices) is a frequently-used guide but is itself contentious. Note that C1 and C2 are an attempt to lower the bar so that even academic journals that don't meet GNG might be accepted as standalone Wikipedia articles! If Ancient TL doesn't meet that lower bar (or WP:GNG itself), it may make sense to mention it on other Wikipedia articles where it is relevant... or to recreate the article in the future if it receives more attention from academics. You are likely correct to focus on C2 here. C2 is tricky because it's hard to tell what is a significant number of citations in a journal's particular subfield. Suriname0 (talk) 19:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for that clarification, @Suriname0. That is quite helpful and interesting. I suppose I would then only say that citation counts mentioned in my previous comment are generally considered high in geosciences and archaeometry. And then given the ambiguity involved, perhaps it would be best to err on the side of preserving the entry, especially given the broader context mentioned by @GeoGammaMorphologe. TroutbeckRise (talk) 20:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Randykitty OK, now, I understand. Thank you for making this clear. In fact not having this listing was so far one of the major critics the journal received from its own community. But I also suggest looking up **how** such indices are generated and **how** a journal becomes listed.

  Here are a few examples regarding ATL:

  • ATL articles do not have a DOI simply because the membership in the Web of Science, for instance, has a (low) price tag. In the past, readers had to pay for the print version of ATL; this was abolished in 2014 (I think) in favour of an online-only version. However, with funds, there was no money for the DOI registration. This situation will now change with the new publication platform, and the affiliation of the new editor will cover the costs.
  • To get indexed and receive an impact factor, you have to fulfil a certain number of criteria, for instance, a certain number of publications per year. ATL was consistently below that threshold, but this is related to the journal's nature and purely non-profit nature not its significance in the field. Even for professional publishers with all their resources, it takes years to get a journal indexed. For instance, Geochronology (https://www.geochronology.net/index.html) was launched in 2019, it received in IF in 2024.

  Bottom line, for diamond open-access journal it is not so super easy to achieve a listing, it needs resources. Still, I may add more examples that are somewhat independent (so far examples from academia are counted as independent; of course, no one explicitly writes about Ancient TL but uses the source).

  * To calculate luminescence (and electron spin resonance) ages, a few online calculators exist,

  **all**

  use data published in Acient TL

  because it contains important values agreed by the community and is used a reference:

  • DRAC caculator [(Durcan et al., 2015, Quaternary Geochronology)](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quageo.2015.03.012); website:

  https://www.aber.ac.uk/en/dges/research/quaternary/luminescence-research-laboratory/dose-rate-calculator/?show=references

  • µRate [Tudyka et al., 2022, Archeometry](https://doi.org/10.1111/arcm.12828), website: https://miu-rate.polsl.pl/miu-rate/login
  • DRc [Taskalos et al., 2015, Archeometry](https://doi.org/10.1111/arcm.12162)
  • eM-Age program: https://github.com/yomismovk/eM-Age-program (the article itself is published in Ancient TL)
  • DIN 44808-1:2024-06 (https://www.dinmedia.de/en/draft-standard/din-44808-1/380077566) referes explicitly to five articles published in Ancient TL (18 references in total). Unfortunately, the norm is behind a paywall, as most of the norms are. Cited in this norm (available in German and currently as a draft in English) are the following articles from Ancient TL: Aitken (1992, ATL 10, 15-16); Duller (2011; ATL 29, 1-3); Duval et al. (2017, ATL 35, 11-39); Grün (1992; ATL, 10, 58); Mauz and Lang (2004, ATL 22, 1-8).
  • Equipment manufacturers refer to articles published in Ancient TL: https://www.lexsyg.com/applications/geology/radiofluorescence.html and publish technical notes in this journal: https://www.freiberginstruments.com/fileadmin/data/publications/12_Richter_et_al_2012_BetaQuelle_AncientTL.pdf; https://orbit.dtu.dk/en/publications/temperature-calibration-and-minisys-temperature-upgrade-for-the-r GeoGammaMorphologe (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genuinely, thank you for creating an account to participate in this discussion! Testimonials from researchers in a field can be very useful. I want to quickly point you toward Wikipedia's WP:COI policies; if you have any COI (such as being a current or former editor for Ancient TL), you would need to mention that in a reply or in an edit summary. Cheers, Suriname0 (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Suriname0 Sorry, you are right; I should disclose that I am not unbiased because I am an editorial board member (not the editor) of the journal (the new website is not online yet, though). Two things are, however, important: When I created the original entry on Wikipedia in 2015 and made modifications in the past, I had no such affiliation. Coincidentally, I was just appointed, and we had the first meeting literally a day before ATL was flagged for removal from Wikipedia (which, admittedly, was a little bit odd). My term on the board is limited to a maximum of two years, but I hope that you see that, besides this conflict of interest, the arguments I have given are based on facts and should speak for themselves. GeoGammaMorphologe (talk) 15:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this kind of thing is not generally a problem (and quite common for academia-related articles which have lots of gray area). Just needs to be disclosed. Thanks! Suriname0 (talk) 18:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know. Yes, I am also currently an editor for Ancient TL. TroutbeckRise (talk) 15:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Randykitty and @Suriname0, I may raise two more asepcts, and then I will rest my case and wait for the final decision.

I argue that understanding how knowledge is derived is crucial but has been underrepresented in the discussion so far. Imagine I were to write a new Wikipedia article about the timing of the last glacial ice shield retreat in Europe. Because I have a little bit of an understanding of the subject, I would use luminescence data from loess deposits in Europe. Of course, I would cite only sources with a high reputation in the field, such as Quaternary Science Reviews, Nature Geoscience, Science, Quaternary Geochronology, etc. Assuming that I do not screw up the writing, there would be little doubt about the validity of the content, given that it uses highly acceptable sources. But here is the catch: all those articles and their discovery likely sit on parameters published in a journal, eventually not considered worth being listed in the first place. This is a severe problem because it changes how knowledge is generated and reiterated, and it gives more credit to secondary sources than the basis they are using to infer their discovery. I cannot see how this is in Wikipedia's genuine interest. Still, I acknowledge that this is a tricky matter, given the lengthy discussions linked by @Suriname0.

The other point I may raise is that we live in a time where the dissemination of knowledge is a very successful business model. So, instead of giving society free access to knowledge, researchers (paid by taxpayer money) summarise their findings. Then, the taxpayer pays again in one way or another for every article published. And yet, still, large parts of our societies will never have access to that knowledge for pure business reasons. My understanding of Wikipedia is that it tries to provide free access to knowledge to everyone, and this is, on a very different level, of course, the same idea as a community journal where volunteers do everything, apply the same ethical standards as other, listed, journals but distribute free under CC BY licence conditions do not charge the author. To me, this is the original idea of Wikipedia, and I find it daunting to realise that Wikipedia itself is a little bit reluctant to support the engagement of others in that regard.

I did not even blink when a large part of the content from the article was removed in 2022 because this was likely indeed overly promotional. But what is on the vote here is the deletion of mainly technical information. Is it really that essential to have it removed?

Well, I guess that's all I have. Thanks for reading and for considering my arguments!

GeoGammaMorphologe (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Independent sources are sufficient to demonstrate that this journal has a meaningful presence in the professional world of a legitimate scientific field. Given that, I am satisfied that this article provides a home for useful information about a topic which readers would have reason to want to know. In my own experience, these sorts of articles can be quite useful for vetting sources of information, both in my professional life and while editing Wikipedia (and even while just reading the news). So I think this article is a net positive for the encyclopedia and common sense would suggest that it should be kept. Given the limitations of the WP:GNG guideline and the lack of consensus around the WP:NJOURNALS essay, I think common sense is the best thing we have to go on. Hence, keep. Botterweg (talk) 22:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Thanks for addiing some sources to this article. Unfortunately, in-passing mentions in obituaries of the founding editor do not contribute to notability. And an editorial published in the journal itself is not independent and does not contribute to notability either. So basically your motivation for your "keep" !vote is WP:ILIKEIT. --Randykitty (talk) 17:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Clarification: My argument for keeping the article is simply what is stated above. It does not involve any obituaries, editorials, or personal feelings about the topic. Botterweg (talk) 18:49, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete does not pass GNG or NJOURNALS. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'd rather see a merge, but there's no obvious target (Center for Archaeometry the original publisher, being ideal IMO), therefore delete. No independent sources. This fails WP:NJOURNALS. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:GNG. All the references are not reliable. Ibjaja055 (talk) 16:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Notice: I have added more references Arwenz (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep It seems like enough of the references check out, but I think more references and content are needed. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:SIGCOV and notable sources, more like paid pr page. Suspected creation by sockpuppet. Imsaneikigai (talk) 16:05, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Poor to unreliable sources with no significant coverage on the subject in secondary independent reliable sources. Fails WP:NDIRECTOR and WP:NBIO. RangersRus (talk) 14:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Director's Kut Productions: mentioned there as founder. His credits include notable productions as director but with other directors; and the awards seem to be collective/to the work and not personal. But if other users think it's enough, not fiercely opposed to Keep. Not in favour of deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect as suggested. Most of his awards were as a producer of “Most Popular show” types, or for longtime productions. It’s unclear whether he just financed the films or had any creative involvement. Bearian (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG TheWikiholic (talk) 14:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:GNG is passable, reliable sources are available Spworld2 (talk) 10:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Spworld2 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]

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• Delete Does not pass WP:NPOL. Mccapra (talk) 21:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Consider WP:GNG Spworld2 (talk) 05:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as not passing WP:NPOL. It literally says “Local Government” in one source. The other sources say he’s active in his party and Dalit community with literally thousands of other people. Bearian (talk) 15:58, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As mentioned before, how can only one of the ten thousand become an office holder? [9] Spworld2 (talk) 05:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG TheWikiholic (talk) 14:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:GNG Pass , has reliable sources, she is a national level women leader - Spworld2 (talk) 11:48, 18 October 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Spworld2 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]

The subject’s role as the national vice president of a state-level political party’s youth wing does not automatically meet the notability guidelines under WP:POL, regardless of gender. Furthermore, the available coverage primarily focuses on routine updates about her new positions within the party, which is typical for politicians and thus does not fulfill the criteria for WP:GNG. TheWikiholic (talk) 18:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a youth movement of a single party in a state but exists in more than one state [10][11] . Spworld2 (talk) 04:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete does not pass WP:NPOL. Mccapra (talk) 21:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Can be considered in WP:GNG category, Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment WP:GNG has abundant references proving it This article is a national level office older. Former office holder of Women's Youth Party, she was a former office holder at the national level of an important student movement in Kerala. All these can be considered in the WP:POLITICIAN category as a reference basis. Reference: [12] (The New Indian Express), [13] (Mathrubhumi), [14]] (The New Indian Express)

, [15] (Malayala Manorama). A article who is popular in Kerala as a Muslim woman has won the award. Also a well-known Muslim feminist in Kerala [16] [17][18]. She can be considered as an Advocate/Lawyer, she is one of the women lawyers in Kerala High Court [19] Office holder at Municipality / Taluk level [20] Reference [21] , [22] (The Hindu) and she can be considered Women in positions of power [23] [24] Influencer (Muslim women political influencer) in Kerala [25] [26] - Spworld2 (talk) 05:52, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: We acknowledge that the subject does not fit within the politician category (WP:NPOL). However, it clearly meets the criteria for the WP:GNG. Jannatulbaqi (talk) 14:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as not passing WP:NPOL. It’s Prima facie about an activist in her party with literally thousands of other people. Being the woman’s chair of a youth organization is the picture of up and coming political volunteer. Bearian (talk) 16:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  How did one in ten thousand become an office holder at the national level? There is a source for that, there is evidence of people voting and winning at the municipality/taluk level, so how can you be one in 10,000 as you say? My little doubt Spworld2 (talk) 05:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Subject fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG TheWikiholic (talk) 14:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:GNG is passable, There are reliable sources Spworld2 (talk) 11:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Spworld2 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]

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• Delete - political party activists are not automatically notable, and there is no coverage outside of party politics. Bearian (talk) 16:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not just a political activist but also a former office holder [27] Spworld2 (talk) 05:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as above, not an actual holder of a political position, just a party activist. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 02:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A former office holder of a party with national focus and presence in more than two states, may now be considered in the WP:GNG category, depending on the source [28]. Spworld2 (talk) 05:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A non notable Internet personality who falls short of WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. He seems to be related to a notable event but per WP:NOTINHERITED that doesn’t count. TheWikiholic (talk) 14:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There are many sources that prove notability, pass WP:GNG -- Spworld2 (talk) 9:44, 19 October 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Spworld2 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.

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• Delete. His own channel, a deprecated newspaper, and blogs are not reliable sources. Wikimedia is currently embroiled in a lawsuit in India filed against us for even mentioning a person’s name in a a overbroad definition of a BLP violation. I’m going to delete the whole controversy section; without it there’s just nothing that’s gotten any attention. Bearian (talk) 16:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:SINGER and WP:GNG. TheWikiholic (talk) 13:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep-Multiple sources having non-trivial mentions about article to maintain WP:GNG.Irshadpp (talk) 08:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, Youtuber fails WP:GNG, coverage is trivial, PR pieces. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Unfortunately, I agree with this. Although there's one of citation that appeared as "Independent", that one her feature story on Gulf News, but the intent and tone of the writing is dubious to say the least. The rest of citations I can assure that they're indeed PR pieces which written surrounding her performance at Salim-Sulaiman's annual music event, "Bhoomi" 2022. So, even though I myself one of the contributor of this article, but my intention was to put some critical information regarding her affiliations and that time there was a "Citation Needed" in one of the section, even though I myself was surprised and confused by this article's existence. So, I'm in favor for deletion of this article. Also for @TheWikiholic can you check its article that on Bangla Wikipedia? Maybe you can asses that one too. Thank you. Salaam -dsab Drhyhanna (talk) 04:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• If I add her AllMusic's link, can it save this article from being deleted. But, there's a potential backlash regarding her AllMusic profile, it was created as part of submission by Salim-Sulaiman's Merchant Records, by their associated music agencies: Global Music Junction and Warner Music India. So, her releases that listed there were her releases/associated releases that under Merchant Records, not by her current contracted label, Andante Music. It's the link: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/ayisha-abdul-basith-mn0004311198#credits if you want to check. Please reply so we can discuss it further. Thanks for consideration. Salaam -dsab Drhyhanna (talk) 05:54, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - winner of two made up in one day awards for up and coming but ultimately non-notable musician as we define them. I must add in that an Allmusic entry adds to significant coverage, but we still required two additional reliable sources, which I don’t see here. If you find them, please ping me. Soft delete per past cases of young singers who may be notable later but are not yet. Bearian (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - After digging throughout the internet, and find no other articles that at least have balanced coverage about the subject, the more sensible option is to delete the article. Drhyhanna (talk) 16:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  YouTuber [29]category can be considered ?? Spworld2 (talk) 09:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - This is a youtuber [30][31] (Subscribers: 4.11 million , Total views 625.7 million) YouTube/Notability#Keep, youtube info has been added, it is passable to WP:GNG ref:-[32] and WP:NYOUTUBE ~ Spworld2 (talk) 11:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rajiv Jain (politician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Mentions in independent sources are only appointment news, not elected to any legislative body, only held unelected post within the party, lack independent sources which talk about the subject in depth, fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG TheSlumPanda (talk) 18:52, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete does not pass WP:NPOL. Mccapra (talk) 22:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete party members with election to any level of government. Fails WP:NPOL.Adamantine123 (talk) 00:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Per nom fails WP:NPOL. Poor sources with no notable coverage on the subject. The subject does not seem to warrant a biographical page because of no significant, interesting, or unusual enough coverage to deserve attention or to be recorded. RangersRus (talk) 17:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. How many times do we have to repeat that political party officials and media advisors are too common to be notable? Bearian (talk) 16:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Night Begins to Shine (Teen Titans Go!) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No evidence of notability for these episodes together, better covered at main articles Indagate (talk) 09:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: Sources seem to show this is notable enough. https://www.cbr.com/teen-titans-go-ber-night-begins-shine/ ; https://www.wbur.org/npr/545906301/an-accidental-hit-begins-to-shine-and-only-because-of-teen-titans-go ; https://www.dcplanet.fr/220502-decouvrez-funko-pop-teen-titans-go-version-the-night-begins-to-shine ; https://tvsourcemagazine.com/2020/07/review-teen-titans-go-the-night-begins-to-shine-2/ ; https://meiobit.com/371129/jovens-titas-the-night-begins-to-shine-cancao-incluida-em-biblioteca-virou-um-sucesso-entre-os-fas-warner-capitalizando-em-cima/ ;https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/08/the-fall-out-boy-music-video-for-teen-titans-go-redeems-that-horrible-ghostbusters-song/ etc -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Lets take a look:

  1. CBR: WP:VALNET
  2. WBUR: Local NPR affiliate, pretty plot based but does have some COV. if its SIG? meh
  3. DCPlanet: Seems to be nothing more than a Funko pop annoucenemnt. I also question the relability of such a source.
  4. TVSource Magazine: pretty good but once again questionable source.
  5. Meiobit: Questionable reliability but otherwise okay.
  6. Konatku: 3 surface level paragraphs.

  In conclusion Weak Keep or redirect to List of Teen Titans Go! episodes Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect: to the episode list as suggested. Apart from the NPR link, the rest aren't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 14:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Teen Titans Go! episodes per Olifanofmrtennant's source analysis. I think the NPR article is fairly sustainable but the others are questionable in reliability. Conyo14 (talk) 23:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – Per OlifanofmrTennant. The song has its own notability independent of the cartoon. Svartner (talk) 20:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Article for the song is at The Night Begins to Shine, that's not nominated. Indagate (talk) 21:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harold Ray Presley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Biography of a sheriff who died in a shoot out with no lasting effect. I thought perhaps their early involvement in the D.A.R.E program might add to notability, however it appears that their participation was at the local level only. I'm not seeing how the article meets Ponyo^{bons mots} 18:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per WP:GNG. @Ponyo: The story of Harold Ray Presley is huge (during his life as well as after his death) – there are tons of sources and while I've started the expansion, it's going to take a while to do it justice. You could not make up the twists and turns (there is more to follow). There is even a podcast series which possibly explains the huge interest in this article. Are you sure about this? Cielquiparle (talk) 07:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: If you continue to improve the article that would be fantastic, though at this point it still looks like a the majority of the sourcing is local, from the time he became sheriff or his death , and notes his family connection to Elvis Presley. Happy to withdraw the AfD prematurely if wider and WP:LASTING coverage is demonstrated.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 16:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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San Andreas: The Original Mixtape (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Both of the references in the article are dead links, and the most significant coverage I was able to find is in an article by Pitchfork ([33]) which has some sentences about the mixtape. Other than that, I was only able to find mentions such as [34]. A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to Young Maylay. toweli (talk) 18:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yellow Tail Records (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to the band Uncle Bonsai, as both it and Yellow Tail Records were founded by Andrew Ratshin ([35]). toweli (talk) 17:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge as the nominator has suggested; this can be speedy closed, as it's the nominator's own suggestion and merges can be handled via WP:MERGE. Chubbles (talk) 15:14, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nikola Đokić (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Despite having a brief career at the professional level, I am unable to find any significant coverage in any language. No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 07:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Afroza Abbas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Lack independent sources to establish notability, fails WP:GNG. Not a member of any legislative body, fails WP:NPOL. TheSlumPanda (talk) 16:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Mirza Abbas as ATD. Mccapra (talk) 22:17, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Mirza Abbas as suggested. Being the chair woman of a political party entity is not automatically notable, nor is being notable inherited by marriage, short of being First Lady or similar position. Bearian (talk) 16:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I Love the '90s (American TV series) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is one of a set of articles on a TV show. Note that all of those have only one single reference--look at I Love the '90s: Part Deux, and you will find a little pop culture article that really only helps I Love.... The articles themselves are nothing but catalog info at best, all OR/trivia. One of the articles was created by a sock, User:Leviathan648, but I haven't checked them all. A redirect would be fine. Drmies (talk) 15:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to I Love... In this form, it's literally a 'type-what-I-see' recap, which we long ago depreciated as not proper, nor sourced, and there are surely non-SEO sources for this show where we can write a short and descriptive summary of each episode. Right now though it just is not a proper article style at all. Nate • (chatter) 21:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Coverage exists: https://www.today.com/popculture/vh1-its-too-early-love-90s-wbna5345119 ; https://www.mlb.com/reds/tickets/concerts/love-the-90s ; Richards, R. W. (2021). Cinematic TV: Serial Drama Goes to the Movies. United States: Oxford University Press, p. 40, for example. Also WP:NLIST says: "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability." -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The Today source is okay, but that mlb source isn't even close to significant coverage. You don't have enough to meet the GNG yet... Sergecross73 msg me 00:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The mlb was one of various sources to indicate the existence of the tour that seemed to be associated with the show, in case users want to develop a proper article and not just a list, but, checking other articles (one mentioning VH1, though,) that may not be the case (unofficial tour?) and that particular article is certainly not great anyway. Feel free to strike it out.

  Other sources include, for example, the following bizarre article (only partially focusing on one episode) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sophie-b-hawkins-90s-queer-backlash_n_637c00d8e4b0f04daf560ab3 or this no less bizarre short piece: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/secrets-revealed-during-vh1s-i-love-the-90s

  Also mentioned in various books about pop culture. Brief article on TV Guide: https://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/i-love-the-90s/1030128553/

  Most of all, Chicago Tribune has https://www.chicagotribune.com/2004/07/13/vh1-finds-no-passion-with-i-love-the-90s/ which might seal the deal but I cannot open it now. If anyone manages, let us know what it's like.

  General article: https://www.theringer.com/tv/2019/9/30/20887782/vh1-i-love-the-series-80s-90s-nostalgia for example to indicate notability of the general set, of which this can be considered a detailed list existing for navigation purpose. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment This nom seems to have struck a nerve as 2603:6000:D2F0:3680:CCCB:404C:672A:58C (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is actively trying to restore unsourced content. Nate • (chatter) 00:18, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to I Love.... (The rest can go to a Vh1-dedicated Fandom wiki—and I'm chiming in as one who religiously watched those nostalgic pop-culture compendia back in their day.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 05:55, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
  1. Pedersen, Erik (2004-07-12). "'I Love the '90s'". The Hollywood Reporter. Vol. 384, no. 35. pp. 10, 12. ProQuest 2594762924.

     The review notes: "VH1's chop shop of pop culture is back and fresher than ever—because the decade they're focusing on ended less than half a decade ago. But fresher doesn't mean funnier; in fact, the forced feel of "I Love the '90s" suggests that nostalgia is a dish best served much colder. ... work against this 10-hour flashback series. Maybe it's just too soon for us to think back on the '90s as kitschy. ... While there are some good lines in the two episodes made available for review the years 1990 and '96 - the chuckle-to- groan ratio is simply far less than the '70s and '80s versions. In far too many cases, smartass remarks fall flat as a slap bracelet. There also seems to be an over-reliance on profanity in "I Love the '90s." The unfinished review tapes don't edit out the ample coarse language, but expect some big-time bleeping when this hits the air. It's as if many of the interviewees simply have nothing witty to add, so they say what they know will be edited out and pass it off as "edgy." It's not. The real stars of this show remain its technical staff. The clever music selections, visuals and backgrounds—including flying toasters and other creaky screen—pick up for the often-lackluster talking heads. [more discussion]"

  2. Johnson, Steve (2004-07-13). "VH1 finds no passion with 'I Love the '90s'". Chicago Tribune. ProQuest 420247536. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

     The review notes: "Maybe it's too soon. Maybe the formula is petering out. Either way, VH1 doesn't capture the same pop-culture effervescence in the new "I Love the '90s" that it did in the versions paying raised-eyebrow homage to the previous two decades. It certainly feels too fresh to be mocking our predilections for "Pretty Woman" or MC Hammer. That's not funny. It's kind of painful. And it gets tiresome, at least to me, to hear an endless parade of celebrities you don't quite recognize making fun of or paying tribute to the decade's film/TV/music/trends, etc. It feels as if far more screen time is devoted to their reminiscences, most of them of not quite scripted quality, than to the culture itself."

  3. DiPasquale, Cara; Karnopp, Kris, eds. (2004-04-08). "VH1 loves the '90s". Chicago Tribune. Zap2it. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

     The article notes: "Proving once again that nostalgia needn’t be wasted on old things, VH1 is cranking up the next installment of its “I Love the …” franchise with “I Love the ’90s,” scheduled to debut this summer. “I Love the ’90s” will stick to the established format of offering a barrage of pop-cultural touchstones augmented by comments from comics, actors and celebrities who achieved fame in the decade."

  4. "VH1 Goes All the Way Back to the '90s". Multichannel News. 2004-06-17. Factiva MULTN00020040617e06h0005m.

     The article notes: "VH1’s 10-hour I Love the '90s will debut Monday, July 12 at9 p.m.and run through Friday, July 16. The network will look at the decade’s music, movies, TV shows, products, fashions, fads and major events, much as it did with previous programming events I Love the '70s, I Love the '80s and '80s Strikes Back. Each one-hour episode focuses on a single year. Celebrities who will appear throughout the week include Missy Elliott, John Mayer, Kyan Douglas, Coolio, Jason Mraz, Rachel Bilson, Lacey Chabert, Blair Underwood, Jerry Springer, Usher, Venus Williams, Trey Parker, Kevin Smith, Bob Guiney, Maroon 5, Warren Moon, Dominic Monaghan, Peri Gilpin, Shelley Morrison, Sarah McLachlan, Jordan Knight, Kato Kaelin, Lance Bass, Jaleel White, Ian Ziering, Susan Powter, Sir Mix-a-Lot, Wilson Phillips, Joe E. Tata, Wilson Phillips, Spin Doctors, Gabrielle Carteris, Mo Rocca, Michael Ian Black, Hal Sparks, Rich Eisen, Loni Love, Rachael Harris, Godfrey, Beth Littleford and Luis Guzman. "

  5. Shen, Maxine (2004-07-11). "I Love the '90's - Kurt Cobain, Kato Kaelin, and Kevorkian - Looking back on a Killer Decade". New York Post. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

     According to WP:NYPOST, "A 2024 RfC concluded that the New York Post is marginally reliable for entertainment coverage". The article contains quotes from people affiliated with the show, The article notes: "... the music channel is taking on the decade that spawned the dancing baby and flying toaster screen saver "I Love the 90s." ... A variety of comedians, musicians, actors and blast-from-the-past faces have been tapped to reminisce on topics as diverse as Crystal Pepsi, Ace of Base, the grunge music movement, "Bev-erly Hills 90210" and other distinctly 90s moments. ... The 90s also ushered in the age of information overload. One field in particular - music - saw an alarming crush of performers. ... Each hour-long episode of "I Love the 90s" highlights the most noteworthy and notorious events from a given year. In the 1990 episode, the films "Ghost" and "Dances With Wolves," the TV series "In Living Color," and euthanasia activist Dr. Jack Kevorkian are a few of the topics tackled by commentators such as Sparks, musicians Maroon 5 and J.C. Chasez, actress Rachel Bilson of The O.C." and the decades cheesiest house guest, Kato Kaelin."

  6. Smith, Austin (2004-07-12). "We're Not Worthy of '90s 'Love'". New York Post. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

     According to WP:NYPOST, "A 2024 RfC concluded that the New York Post is marginally reliable for entertainment coverage". The review gives I Love the '90s 2.5 stars. The review notes: "For me, it's that running commentary that makes or breaks these decade specials. And since I have a low tolerance for sarcasm, the reactions of people such as Michael Ian Black (of the cancelled NBC series "Ed") or Kato Kaelin (of the O.J. Simpson murder trial) to the rivalry between MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice (1990) or "Wayne's World" (1992) are of no interest whatsoever. ... It's possible that Rocca (he's the guy from "The Daily Show" with the Peter Brady haircut) recaptures the title in later episodes of "I Love the '90s," but in the episode VH1 provided for preview - Episode 1, "1990" - Sparks is seen and heard about a dozen times too many. His dominance is not easy to understand because it's clear the producers of VH1's "'90s" series taped interviews with dozens of different people - from Missy Elliott and Jaleel White (Urkel from "Family Matters") to Kyan Douglas ("Queer Eye for the Straight Guy") and Hulk Hogan. When "I Love the '90s" takes advantage of the wide variety of viewpoints represented by its many interview subjects, the commentary is much easier to take."

  7. Fonseca, Nicholas (2004-07-09). "VH1 show takes us all the way back to the 90s. VH1 show takes us all the way back to the 90s -- I Love the 90s will bring back all our favorites like Nirvana, Crystal Pepsi, and Doc Martens". Entertainment Weekly. Archived from the original on 2022-08-10. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

     The article notes: "Clinton’s spilling! O.J.’S yapping! And we so have an intense urge to throw on some Doc Martens, guzzle Crystal Pepsi, and crank up the Gin Blossoms! Suddenly a bunch of late-20th-century news makers are back in the spotlight, portending the official arrival of ’90s nostalgia."

  8. Kronke, David (2004-07-11). "The Daily News Watch-O-Rama - The Highlights and Lowlights of the Upcoming Week in tv". Daily News of Los Angeles. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21.

     The review notes: "Think: The detritus of yet another decade is resurrected then further laid to waste by Hal Sparks, Michael Ian Black and whoever they could lure into the studio with a cheese log. Don't think: This is how they'll teach history to kids in the future: Black in I Love the 1860s: 'Here's why they had to have the Civil War over the Emancipation Proclamation — no one in the South knew what those words meant!' In a nutshell: Like the previous series, a genially amusing time-killer, as sundry follies such as Vanilla Ice, "Ghost," O.J. Simpson, the lambada, Michael Bolton and so on are mildly and occasionally wittily eviscerated."

  9. Morrow, Terry (2004-07-11). "VH1 flips through time again for look at the '90s". Knoxville News Sentinel. Archived from the original on 2024-10-21. Retrieved 2024-10-21 – via Newspapers.com.

     The article notes: "In its weeklong special, "I Love the '90s" (airing at 9 p.m. Monday through Friday, July 12-16), the channel looks back at those wild and kooky days when flannel shirts, O.J. Simpson and rollerblades were the hallmarks of pop culture. The 10-part series, which is broken up into two hours each night, will glide through the good, the bad and the phat of the era. Movies ("Titanic"), music (like grunge) and television ("Beverly Hills 90210") will be examined year by year. This was the time when hip-hop and rap became music institutions, the Atkins Diet was the latest weight-loss fad and Kathie Lee Gifford was the brunt of punch lines. And just like the channel's specials on the 1970s and 1980s, comedians will offer their own perspective into the decade. Of the Waco, Texas, disaster, Mo Rocca deadpans, "David Koresh is probably not the Messiah. If he is, the FBI really screwed up." On cloning a sheep, Michael Ian Black offers, "I had trouble telling one sheep apart from another before cloning so, for me, it was not a huge technological leap.""

  10. "VH1 Loves the 90s". Multichannel News. 2004-07-16. Factiva MULTN00020040716e07g000b5.

      The article notes: "The first eight episodes of VH1’s 10-part I Love the 90s series have averaged a 1.1 Nielsen Media Research rating in the 18-49 demo, the network said Friday. VH1 added that an average of 1.6 million viewers have tuned in each night, tripling its 2003 primetime tally. The network is on pace to record its highest-rated week of 2004."

  11. Sparks, Abbie (2004-07-21). "90's Hot for VH1". Broadcasting & Cable. Factiva BDCTCA0020040721e07l000p2.

      The article notes: "Prime-time viewers must have fond memories of the 1990s, or at least some interest in reliving those bygone days. VH1 achieved its highest prime time rating in five years when it aired I Love the 90s, making last week its most watched week ever in prime time and total day. An average of 845,000 viewers tuned in throughout the week, up 156% compared to the same week in 2003. The prime time numbers for the 18-49 group was .8, a up 167% from 2003. An average of 1.2 million viewers watched VH1 during prime time."

  12. "Nielsens Love VH1's '90s'". Multichannel News. Vol. 25, no. 30. 2004-07-26. Factiva MULTN00020040728e07q0000x.

      The article notes: "While criticized in some quarters for not letting enough time elapse on the decade, scored big with viewers with the recent premieres of its I Love the ’90s specials, as the network turned in its highest-rated week among adults 18 to 49 in five years. The 10 specials, which aired for two hours each night from July 12 through July 16 (one hour for each year in the decade) averaged a 1.0 against that demo overall, with five of the shows surpassing that mark. The ’90s specials topped their I Love the ’80s predecessors by 10%, according to network officials. VH1 notched a 0.8 average against its target demo the week of July 12 to July 18, a 167% jump compared to the same week in 2003 and equaling the average the network posted with its “Divas Week” in 1999. An average of 845,000 of those watchers tuned into the network that week, as did 1.2 million viewers 2-plus, 125% more than in the comparable 2003 span."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow I Love the '90s to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 10:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Cunard's sources. Toughpigs (talk) 16:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The only independent reliable sources found in English or Bengali are brief mentions in lists (e.g. [36]). They do not contain the significant coverage required to justify a stand alone article. Was earlier redirected to the surrounding community, Rangpur Cantonment, where the school is mentioned, but the redirect was removed by an editor who appears very familiar with the school outside of what published sources say. Worldbruce (talk) 15:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Initially it was a independent article but later someone removed all texts and redirected to Rangpur Cantonment.

Then I rescued this article. It’s a famous school in northern Bangladesh.

unfortunately i didn’t add any reference.

Now I’ve added some references, it’s not an easy task to get newslink for a school.

There is also articles about this school in other languages.

I’m requesting not to delete this article. Cerium4B (talk) 21:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources you've added — the school's website, two copies of a press release, another promotional piece with no byline, a blank page at the District Education Office, and a job posting — lack independence from the school and so do not demonstrate notability (which is not the same as being famous). Also, most of them fail to support the content (see citing sources for more information). That it is not an easy task to get sources for this school is a sign that it is not notable.

That two other language versions of Wikipedia have an article about the school is not relevant to this discussion. Just because an article exists, doesn't mean it should exist, and each language version operates under its own policies and guidelines, decided by the editors who edit there, so even if an article should exist in one language that doesn't mean it should exist in another. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.kalerkantho.com/online/country-news/2024/06/03/1394068

Worldbruce

Check this news; it’s in Bengali. Please translate it.

I’m requesting you not to delete this article- Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur. It’s very hard to find news about a school. Cerium4B (talk) 13:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Non of the sources seem like anything but fluff pieces. The sources that aren't their own site or government data seem to be small local papers. Honestly, too many schools probably have a wiki page and should be removed.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 18:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Kaler Kantho just a small local newspaper? 😂

Honestly, I believe Wikipedia should restrict foreigners from editing articles related to other countries. Cerium4B (talk) 21:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by this, Cerium4B? We are all anonymous, so I'm not sure who you are referring to by labeling editors "foreigners". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz

Actually i am talking about @Speederzzz.

He is from Netherland.

He said that Kaler Kantho is a small local newspaper but it is a National newspaper in Bangladesh. Cerium4B (talk) 04:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Worldbruce

Check these references related to Cantonment Public School and College, Rangpur from reputed newspapers of Bangladesh (including The Daily Star, Prothom Alo)

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^[15] Cerium4B (talk) 05:10, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you do not seem to get what is and isn't Significant coverage, I will show you how your sources are/aren't applicable. If you want some more examples, WP:SIRS has some.

^[16] Not significant, only 4 pictures.

^[17] Not significant, 1 sentence in an extremely short list.

^[18] 404 error

^[19] Not significant, 1 sentence in an extremely short list.

^[20] No direct discussion of topic, only passing mention that the 3rd place in an essay writing competition went to that school.

^[21] Not significant, only passing mention in this artist's life. (The title wasn't even correct, the original title doesn't even mention the school)

^[22] 404 error, I cannot be sure but the lack of capital letter makes me think this title was changed from it's real title too.

^[23] Not significant, short announcement that they are the highest scoring school in the region that year.

^[24] No direct discussion of topic, only short mention that one of the participants went to the school.

^[25] No direct discussion of topic, only states students came from the school. Title was also changed, instead first sentence was used.

^[26] Not significant, very short mention in a very short letter.

^[27] Not significant, only one small mention in a list of school results.

^[28] Not significant, only one small mention in a list of schools.

^[29] Not significant, only one small mention in a list of schools. Title was changed in a weird way.

^[30] Not significant, only one small mention in a list of schools. Title was also weirdly changed.

As you can see non of these sources are usable under the rules of significant coverage. If someone so fervent to keep the page can't even find significant coverage, I don't think anyone is going to find it.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 12:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC) Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 12:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I'm female. Second, I said seem because the style does not seem very "national news-y". Some of these sources mention a lot of these schools in a list and not talk about the school in specific or the school is mentioned in passing only. If you want I can look at all your sources and show you which ones are and are not indicative of significant coverage, but one of them is just four pictures, so I feel like you might not fully understand the policies on significant coverage.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 09:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, checked the news in bengali,Well-known government owned educational institution. can be improved in the text body of the article. UzbukUdash (talk) 14:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be better to maybe instead merge back into/expand on (since it's already mentioned) in the Rangpur Cantonment? The page needs quite an overhaul in sources for now at least. Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk) 14:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I'm not seeing secondary coverage. SirMemeGod  17:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pilot major (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This stub has remained unsourced since 2013 and has remained a WP:DICDEF. A Google Books search finds several works that mention that such and such person was a "pilot-major" of an early modern European trade or exploration fleet, but no work defining or describing this title or occupation, which means that there is no basis for an encyclopedia article. Sandstein 14:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak keep. I've added a list of pilots major. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Which is also unsourced, and therefore does not resolve the WP:V and WP:N issues of this article. It also conflates real persons and fictional characters. Sandstein 06:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Sources and additional info added. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks, but I still don't see the basis for an article here. The lead sentences, which purport to define the topic, remain unsourced: "A pilot major or pilot-major is a chief navigator of a ship or fleet. This person is usually experienced in naval exploration and has distinguished himself as both a sailor and a voyager." What you did find a source for was the use of the same term in Spain for something different, namely, a government office with responsibility for cartography. What we now have is a list of people with a position we cannot define, and a description of an unrelated government office. That's not an article. Sandstein 13:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The sources disagree with you; they call various non-officeholders pilots major. (Also, put the asterisk last after colons, otherwise it serves no purpose.) Clarityfiend (talk) 22:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Update. I have split off info to Pilot Major of Spain. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks, the spinoff for the government office makes sense and seems to be reasonably well sourced. But this still leaves us with a stub about the different sense of "pilot-major" as the "chief navigator of a ship or fleet", and we do not have a source for this meaning of the term, only a list of people who have been called "pilot-major" in sources. Sandstein 07:23, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Seafood Bar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This is a minor chain of restaurants that fails to meet WP:NCORP. There are some restaurant reviews online, but no WP:SIGCOV, no evidence of awards won, or similar notable coverage. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment Their website has a press section[37] which includes a detailed Guardian review and a link to a paywalled Financial Times review which I'm unable to judge the value of. It's got mentions in the London Evening Standard[38] and Amsterdam Mag/Amsterdam Now[39] but not in depth. Coverage in The Caterer magazine[40], a long-running publication. The generic name makes searching harder. I'm unable to check Dutch-language sources, but the lack of a page on Dutch-language WP is a red flag. But close to notable? --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crunchy Black (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Originally redirected to Three 6 Mafia at AfD all the way back in 2011, there is indeed not enough coverage here for a standalone BLP. Independent coverage is limited to a report of an injury and a separate legal issue by two gossip sources that should not be used on BLPs, an ASCAP credit to verify his real name (reliable for that purpose, but does not establish notability), a low-quality biography that looks like the product of a content farm (source 6), a list of songs the subject has contributed to (source 7), a one-sentence AllMusic biography, and a link to an Apple Music listing. The only valuable source is 4, which is about Three 6 Mafia, precisely where this article should be redirected to. No evidence of independent notability to pass WP:NMUSICBIO, by all rights should have stayed a redirect especially given the BLP problems present on the page. JeffSpaceman (talk) 14:08, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Three 6 Mafia as before. Since last time, his individual notability outside of that group has not grown, as he has a few guest appearances and several solo releases that were ignored. The only difference in his story over recent years is a steadily growing arrest record, and that's not notable either. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

World Statesmen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. The references used in the article only provide short descriptions. toweli (talk) 14:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mexican auto insurance (tourist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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While this page maybe helpful, I think it fails WP:NOTGUIDE. Wikipedia isnt here for helping tourists. That's what Google is for. Plus, we don't have other articles talking about this specific type of insurance in other countries. Some of the information over here maybe suitable to add to the page vehicle insurance in the United States JuniperChill (talk) 13:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also going to add that due to the fact its been prodded before, a soft delete isn't possible. JuniperChill (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BenchWarmers DVD Magazine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I wasn't able to find any coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli (talk) 12:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There doesn't appear to be enough coverage of the subject for it to meet WP:NCORP. toweli (talk) 12:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: I found a couple passing references (single sentences saying so-and-so had appeared on one of their cards) but nothing close to WP:SIGCOV. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)^{Talk to Me!} 17:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - No significant coverage whatsoever. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dror Paley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No independent article which discuss about the subject in depth, fails WP:GNG. doesn’t received any special achievement or any prestigious award. TheSlumPanda (talk) 12:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: as the article creator, I'm not particularly invested in this one. I basically created the article as an (unsolicited and unrewarded) favour for his then-webmaster because I thought a wikilink from Ilizarov apparatus would be better than a link to his website there; see the conversations at User talk:Szlimblengthening and my early-2009 talk page archive. I only ended up with the relevant articles on my watchlist due to unhelpful edits. I don't think I would have created this article under the same circumstances today, at least without doing a very deep WP:BEFORE check first. Graham87 (talk) 12:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Somali Corpus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No secondary source given for notability. A WP:BEFORE on Google Scholar gives this article that uses the corpus and gives a description of it. Otherwise, I can only find a passing mention and this article, which uses the corpus but doesn't go in-depth about it. It doesn't look like WP:GNG is met, although I am open to changing my mind if more sources come to light.

Noting that the original author has declared a COI with the subject. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This was a pretty rudimentary stub. Now, a number of sources have been added that discuss the importance of such corpora of under-resourced languages, and of Somali resources in particular. Links have been added to this page. The lead has also been cleaned up to clarify what a corpus is and where Somali is spoken. LingLass (talk) 17:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! The issue wasn't about the lack of information or context in the lead, or about whether such corpora are important. To meet WP:GNG, sources should go in-depth about this specific corpus in particular, not about corpora in general. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe a better solution would be to move this to a page about Somali corpora in general, rather than focusing on this corpus in particular. I feel like there are now a number of other corpora for this language that together have some deeper coverage in the literature.LingLass (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That could indeed work! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IndiaOne Air (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable airline. I suspect a WP:COI here. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment – Not exactly a valid nomination rationale. There has been no reason given as to why the airline is not notable and no evidence given as to why there might be a conflict of interest. An assertion of non-notability is not enough. See WP:JNN. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Check the Twitter profile mentioned on the article creator's userpage.[44] If you believe this subject meets WP:GNG then you can convince me otherwise by showing the sources. Ratnahastin (talk) 12:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My objection is based on the fact that you've provided no evidence to support that the airline is non-notable, simply stating that it's non-notable. If you believe that there is a conflict of interest, you are free to discuss it at WP:COI/N but I don't think this is the appropriate venue to do so. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. The Wikilawyering above is unhelpful. Azuredivay (talk) 03:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Not exactly sure how pointing out that the given rationale isn't exactly valid is a form of "Wikilawyering". Aviationwikiflight (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep – (Revised vote) – Not a valid rationale. No justification given as to why this airline is non-notable. I have found multiple secondary sources that provide significant coverage of the subject itself such as [45] and [46] which should be enough to satisfy the general notability guideline. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 07:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Your sources are close to the subject thus they are not helpful. Ratnahastin (talk) 08:28, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that source #3 is not that independent but I don't see how the 100knots.com source is non-independent. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 09:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The airline is one of the scheduled airlines in India. There are numerous secondary sources, such as independent new articles piblished in Hindustan Times, The Indian Express, Outlook India, Financial Express, The Telegraph, and many more. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 13:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Every source mentioned is unreliable per WP:NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NEWSORGINDIA mentions that those are unreliable due Paid reporting in Indian news organizations. Kindly state why those news articles are perceived to be paid promotion? If Indian newspapers and channels do not carry the news, then who will. By the loose and sweeping statement of WP:NEWSORGINDIA, ALL newspapers in India are advertisement papers? Is that so? If thats the case, then all WP aritcles that have references / citations to Indian newspapers should be nominated for AfD. Now the real question is, does the airline exist and has scheduled flights OR the effort here is to just delete the article???? Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it says (literally) "Even legitimate Indian news organizations (print, television, and web) intermingle regular news with sponsored content and press release–based write-ups, often with inadequate or no disclosure."--CNMall41 (talk) 18:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Nothing has been offered as far as significant coverage outside of unreliable sources, mainly falling under NEWSORGINDIA. An example would be this from The New Indian Express. Press releases are normally prefaced with the town in which the news comes from (as is this one), and bylined by "Express News Service" as opposed to a bylined source from that publication such as this which shows an author. Same as these sources to name a few that have been presented. No, not all media is paid, but it is churnalism which doesn't fit WP:ORGCRIT. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:00, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This would need to pass WP:ORGCRITE, so we need very high quality sourcing. It's really frustrating that this rules out a large amount of local sourcing, but it does. And, I mean no offence to the company when I say this- but they're a regional airline that flies three Cessnas. These sorts of small firms are common, scheduled or not- to merit discussion in a Wikipedia article, the sourcing will really have to be good. And it, unfortunately, isn't currently. I could see that changing in a few years time, however.

GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 09:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete – Whilst I don't think that the deletion rationale is valid as it is, the lack of significant coverage of the company itself with the majority of sources only having passing mentions of the subject, along with the source review presented above demonstrates that for now, the airline – IndiaOne Air – isn't notable enough for a standalone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 14:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marián Bochnovič (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Having an international appearance is no longer a free pass and Bochnovič needs to meet WP:GNG only in order for this article to be kept. I've checked corresponding Wikipedia articles in other languages, especially the Slovak one which would help copy over, but none of them provide enough significant coverage for him. I only find SME, but one source is not sufficient. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, there is also this. Capped played, league champion, played in the Champions League group stage - this was during the 1990s. This builds on a quote, but nonetheless points to him being a "club legend" at Nitra, still remembered for a bronze medal in the 1988–89 Czechoslovak First League. After retiring from football, there is futsal coverage. Also after retiring, he was the manager of KFC Kalná nad Hronom (desribed as having had a "rich and successful" playing career) until he went to Slovan Bratislava's academy; has also been assistant coach of Slovakia U17, can better sources about the latter jobs be found? Geschichte (talk) 21:34, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sources analysis: 1. Paywalled interview; 2. Database; 3. GNG requires someone else to write about the person not Bochnovič talking about himself; 4 and 5 are routine manager announcements; 6. Match report in a primary source.

  None of those indicate significant coverage that are required for WP:GNG.

  ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Per Geschichte, article certainly needs improving, but the lack of doesn't negate notability. Govvy (talk) 13:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Geschichte. GiantSnowman 07:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – Per Geschichte excellent search. Svartner (talk) 19:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David S. Feldman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No independent source which discuss in depth about subject, fails WP:GNG, doesn’t received any prestigious award. TheSlumPanda (talk) 11:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Almost all the provided sources are primary. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 09:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Holographic direct sound printing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article based upon a 1 month old paper. While it has minor attention in pop science press, its Altmetric of 76 is not particularly high (it would need 200-300). Page is almost completely promo of research from a single group at Concardia University. Considering how active additive manufacturing currently is, much much more is required. Wikipedia is not the place to promote your science. Ldm1954 (talk) 11:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is not my science. I found about this method of 3D printing in the newspapers and I thought it probably deserves to be mentioned at Wikipedia. Arwenz (talk) 19:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Primary sources and churned press releases are not a suitable basis for an encyclopedia article. XOR'easter (talk) 00:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This is a substub which could in theory be merged/redirected to Economy of Indianapolis#Retail trade, but which doesn't appear to have sustained and independent sigcov to even justify that. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 11:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I came across this a few weeks ago and thought the same. It's a local slogan, but there's little coverage of its usage. Reywas92^Talk 23:38, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NCORP. None of the references here or in a WP:BEFORE hold up to WP:ORGCRIT. CNMall41 (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep I didn't know about independent sources when I created this, but I have other ways to find these sources now that I didn't know about then. And there have been major changes since this was nominated. There is potential.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vchimpanzee:,Thanks for sharing. I will take another look if you can provide the sources you feel meet WP:ORGCRIT. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found some sources that you probably can't access, but you can see there may be better sources now. A Google search at least got me a bunch of sources about the bankruptcy and I chose the best. I hope they all passed muster. One was The Wall Street Journal but I was only able to see part of the article. It was the important part. After that I tried ProQuest with the information that I had sourced to the company's own web site.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. What I am asking is if you can point out the specific sources that meet the criteria found in WP:ORGCRIT? The ones you found doing those searches? I have access to a lot but cannot find any that do. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stengle, Bernice (November 26, 1987). "Full Steam Ahead: Leslie Controls makes valves to keep ships moving and whistles blowing". St. Petersburg Times. p. 12B.

"Leslie Controls seeks bankruptcy for asbestos claims". non-paywalled copy on Business Insurance. July 12, 2020. Retrieved October 9, 2024 – via Bloomberg News.

Stengle, Bernice (February 20, 1989). "Workers sell Leslie Controls to raise capital and shed debt". St. Petersburg Times. p. 19.

Doss, Kristina (October 29, 2010). "Circor's Leslie Controls Wins Bankruptcy Court Approval Of Plan". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved October 9, 2024.

Kahn, Fareha (April 28, 2011). "Circor's unit emerges from bankruptcy protection". Reuters. Retrieved October 9, 2024.

The last two you should be able to access, although much of the Wall Street Journal source is not accessible to me unless I can find some way to do it through the library. I forgot to do that this morning when I was there.

And if you're not satisfied with these for any reason, I don't know what to say. I've heard people object to coverage in a local paper but the amount of detail seems to be sufficient. I'm hoping ProQuest or other sources can help me with some of the details that came from the company's web site.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.newspapers.com/image/528085231/?match=1&clipping_id=156901759 This looks better and mentions an award. I found another article but it feels like a press release and at this point I don't think it will help.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the reference "Workers sell Leslie Controls to raise..." I searched archives and cannot locate the reference. I searched by title, author, company name, and even went to the specific date and page number and there is nothing on that page similar to what is cited. Can you provide a link to where you accessed it?--CNMall41 (talk) 22:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you don't mind that I added the links. I do not like to change anyone's comments but think they would be better inline as opposed to me duplicating everything. I also found this which may explain why there was a reference in New Jersey (the last one you cited above that mentions an award) and outside of Florida. Although I am not sure the award contributes towards notability. I am still looking deeper for more so voters can evaluate as a whole. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.proquest.com/docview/262637776/D0E8E0FD145D41C8PQ/1?accountid=14020&sourcetype=Newspapers The information with it makes a point of the fact it is in the city edition.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I went through the sources provided and also dug through Newspapers.com, Google News, Google Books again to see if I missed something. This seems to be the only reference that would meet WP:ORGCRIT in my opinion. There are a lot of mentions, routine announcements, employment advertisements, etc., but even these are all regional. I also searched more about its parent company (Circor International) and believe this may be notable. Outside of the coverage, it was publicly traded and even the bankruptcy sources for Leslie Controls is related to the parent (references I find on Circor state that the bankruptcy was to shield Ciror from asbestos litigation it was facing. So while I still do not believe Leslie meets the threshold, I am open to seeing if others would agree Circor is and if a merge into a new page for that company would be a good WP:ATD. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only problem at this point is whether the sources are independent or from news sources that are not local. Nevertheless, I keep finding sources that to me establish notability. The statements made in these sources certainly made the company look notable whether or not anyone has done the kind of very specific coverage Wikipedia seems to be looking for. And there's too much detail now to make this part of Circor's article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I get that the company saying these details are significant is a problem but don't know how you determine that the company's accomplishments are significant. Newspapers or magazines might have said so many years ago. I can't paraphrase some of the more complicated scientific accomplishments but they certainly look important.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your point of view. The company seems important to me as well for what they have done. However, we need to look at WP:NCORP standards and I feel they fall short. The "too much detail" could be removed and it summarized in a paragraph under a page for Circor (assuming it is notable - I may wind up creating it anyway after doing so digging to determine if it is or not). At least for now it seems more notable than Leslie Controls. I think best to let others opine in this discussion about Leslie to determine their take on the references meeting WP:ORGCRIT. For the record, they are coverage quite a bit but mainly brief mentions or routine announcements. Regardless of the year, I feel there would be more WP:CORPDEPTH if they were found to be worthy of notice. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:31, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "too much detail" though is what makes the company significant.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is disagreement here. The application of WP:NCORP. It is not about how much a company has accomplished, it is about what sources have said about those accomplishments. The [{WP:CORPDEPTH]] simply isn't here. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is enough depth here except the minute I saw the statement that each employee at the dinner received a history of the company, I knew they just repeated what was there. So the only issue is independent reporting on those facts which might have taken place earlier and we just can't find it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not that it would help but I found this which explains the significance of Leslie train horns. That was the reason I created the article in the first place and someone took that out for some reason. The sources aren't what Wikipedia would call ideal, but I didn't know back then.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Martin Kabrhel (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I have been unable to find significant coverage of this poker player outside of the stories about his alleged cheating and the alleged investigation into it. The stories from PokerNews are all routine coverage of his winnings/participation in tournaments. Being a high-roller is insufficient to establish notability. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:06, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The most successful and best known Czech poker player with appearance in mainstream TV shows (more here). I quickly found sources like 1, 2 and 3, and I'm sure there will be more (and not only on the Internet). FromCzech (talk) 18:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: The sources provided by FromCzech are interviews and profiles which are far from WP:GNG. I thought the stories of the person's participation in tournaments comply with notability guidelines, as long as it exclusively focuses on the subject and is not an interview (see here for example). ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The first source on pokerarena is not interview or profile. The source no. 3 also is not interview or profile. Source no 1. has some coverage of him next to the interview. Forbes may be a profile, but it is reliable independent source. Other source I just found is pokerman. FromCzech (talk) 04:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - one of the most notable active European tournament poker players, with 3 WSOP bracelets, and a handful of well-documented controversial moments. Officially Mr X (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree that being a high-roller doesn't alone merit inclusion but if you are a high roller there's plenty good chances you've won some major tournaments - just as in this case. PsychoticIncall (talk) 14:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Winning tournaments also doesn't establish notability. Dozens of people get bracelets every year. Most of them recieve coverage only in online poker news. This guy has a little coverage outside of poker news for an alleged cheating scandal that seems to have been quietly dropped or forgetten about. voorts (talk/contributions) 14:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nightmare Theater (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fairly new article about a non-notable TV show; created by a new editor. No sources; no formatting. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 16:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This was one of Utah's longest running television shows and was very popular. I will be updating sources. As for formatting I will learn and improve the page. Intergalacticlanguage (talk) 17:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I haven't been able to dig up much. There is Television Horror Movie Hosts 68 Vampires, Mad Scientists and Other Denizens of the Late-Night Airwaves Examined and Interviewed that covers the show, but there is no preview available. There's also a whole self-published book The Complete Index to Salt Lake City's Nightmare Theatre which would probably be decent for information, but doesn't contribute to notability. There's this dramatic piece from the Utah Education Network that says someone hanged themselves after watching the program. Other than that, it's just passing mentions like one of my favorite things to do was to curl up with my dad on a Friday night and watch the famed horror movie show starring Sammy Terry (a play on the word cemetery), “Nightmare Theater.” The low-budget series was just scary enough to capture my interest, but not so scary that DCFS needed to be alerted. I'm leaning delete, but I'm willing to wait to see what sources come up. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I meant to include this note. Fischer
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• Delete, consider redirecting title to Sammy Terry If you want to write about a local TV program, you need the sourcing to back up your claim. You also need to show that it has some enduring notability to it. I do not think that the Salt Lake program has that, after doing a search that would have included Utah newspapers from the last 30 years (allowing me to avoid printed titles in TV listings). However, there is a redirect target for this title...out of Indiana, where a show titled Nightmare Theater seems to have enjoyed a 27-year run at WTTV. The SIGCOV is substantial, and we have an article related to it already. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The Utah show ran from 1962-1982 continuously. Fairly enduring, twenty years. Documentation noted includes television columns noting its popularity. Intergalacticlanguage (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why wasn’t this drafted so that the creator can be helped, instead of having to defend the page at an Afd, which is pretty stressful? Draft, please, if the creator and other users agree, speedy-draft, if such a thing exists. I don’t think that nominating a new page 20 minutes after it was created was the best approach. ’Not ready for Main space”, sure but explain it and draftify is, if the creator is a newcomer/apparently not very experienced contributor, the most constructive path imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Formatted the page roughly. The claim that it was the longest show in Utah and coverage might be enough to Keep this. If not, redirect and merge (in)to KTVX#History please. Very opposed to deletion.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Please note that the Utah TV show in this article is entirely distinct from the Indiana TV show of the same name starring Sammy Terry. The Sammy Terry character was on Indiana TV from 1962 to 1989, occasionally thereafter, continuously makes personal appearances, and still produces web content; Sammy Terry has plenty of reliable sources (print news and at least one book), far beyond what the article currently references. If this article survives, it should be moved to something like Nightmare Theater (Utah), with Nightmare Theater being a redirect to Sammy Terry or a disambiguation page. Vadder (talk) 23:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would agree that, even if enough sourcing demonstrating notability could be found, the Utah show is not the primary topic. The Indiana show has much more material to work with. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 15:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I did the initial page, and I believe Nightmare Theater (Utah) would be the proper title. This would avoid confusion with all the other Nightmare Theater and Theatres out there. While the show was broadcast on a Salt Lake City station, it was received statewide. Intergalacticlanguage (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Three shows are mentioned as notable on the KCPX (KTVX) page. Hotel Balderdash has its own page. The other two are Fireman Frank and Nightmare Theater. Intergalacticlanguage (talk) 23:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Darren Johnson (darts player) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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non-notable darts player All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 08:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: There is only one source and one external link referenced in the entire article, and both lead to a "404 Not Found" error. JustARandomEditor123 (talk) 11:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: This article was poorly sourced indeed, unfortunately Darts Database website was shut down, hence those links do not work any more. More links and available references have been provided, this player was (and will be) participating in World Championships and major PDC tournaments, I do not think marking him non-notable is fair here. If anything needs to be improved, let me know. DarthBob (talk) 21:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The article is still poorly sourced as none of the sources are significant coverage. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for your feedback. I understand the concern about the quality of the sources. However, the sources used in the article, while they may not provide in-depth or exclusive coverage, do offer reliable information and verifiable facts. I specifically chose sources from different websites that are currently available.

  If you have suggestions for specific sources that offer more in-depth or significant coverage on this topic, I would be happy to consider incorporating them. DarthBob (talk) 19:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please, see the response below: This article was poorly sourced indeed, unfortunately Darts Database website was shut down, hence those links do not work any more. More links and available references have been provided, this player was (and will be) participating in World Championships and major PDC tournaments, I do not think marking him non-notable is fair here. DarthBob (talk) 21:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The additional sources do not contain IRS SIGCOV and/or are routine (e.g. match recaps). Articles from PDC or WDF are not independent. We really want sources that provide SIGCOV of the player's background. JoelleJay (talk) 02:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is better sourced and up to date than half of the Wikipedia pages now, it is basically impossible to find any old sources, since darts are a sport, whose media coverage improved only in last years. Darts is quite a simple sport, articles analysing a match throw by throw just does not exist. This seems yet again like an on-going battle against darts articles and profiles, even an effort to improve these articles is not welcomed and a valuable article marked to delete. DarthBob (talk) 19:25, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there isn't significant coverage of players in the past, then those players by definition are not notable. GNG requires sources with IRS SIGCOV, not just reliable sources. JoelleJay (talk) 01:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Moonmana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NCORP. Wikipedia is not an advertising tool and companies must be significantly mentioned in reliable sources. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  I added more links and deleted information about current game in development (which has no notable cites).

  The links include top MMO news websites about the release of Ultimate pirates by Gameforge (top MMO publisher in the world):

  MMOhuts.com, MMObomb.com, F2P.com, MMOgames.com

  These are the biggest and most notable web sites focused on MMO which can post a news about an MMO game release. And they all posted the news. 37.12.106.21 (talk) 14:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: I originally voted delete as the sources were all user-generated like Play Store listings etc. After new sources where added I withdrew my vote, but now that I have reviewed them I am reinstating it. I encourage Warmonger123 to review Wikipedia:Notability is not inherited, the only sources are "Moonmama releases X game" that are mainly about the game with only passing mentions of Moonmama. Per WP:CORPTRIV articles about product releases are not evidence of notability for a company. The other Yahoo reference is basically a press release, and also isn't evidence per WP:PRSOURCE. I feel like there's not really anything left that indicates notability and I can't find anything else.

• Also a note that User:Warmonger123 has a WP:COI - check their userpage - so their comments can't really be considered a keep vote (but they are welcome to comment).

MolecularPilot 09:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm sorry. Is Yahoo news an automated aggregator? Which search yields no articles? Warmonger123 (talk) 13:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ, Are you sure all the links lead to user generated content? There are link to the top MMO news sites with news added by the news website editors, not regular users. The only links which lead to user generated content, are the links to the released web games on top portals for web games. To appear in the list of Armor games, you actually can't just submit your game. Armor games should choose your game to be published there and add your game to their portal and you should sign a publishing agreement to do so. This is not just something placed somewhere what any user can do.

  Please be more specific. So far, it seems like you didn't check the links and wrote your message just by clicking a random one and made a wrong conclusion. Warmonger123 (talk) 13:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I searched on Google and the only results that appeared where the Google Play Store page, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube, official website for the company and there were no results under the "news" tab. I couldn't find anything from Yahoo or those other websites you mentioned. Would you mind linking them? Thanks! :) MolecularPilot 22:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Also sorry I thought the other websites in the reference list where just aggregators, if you think that something has to be notable to be listed there I'll trust you because I don't really know much about video games. MolecularPilot 22:27, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I removed some links to avoid confusion and added more links to news sites. You probably see no news in the google search because the news related to the games are old and only googlable together with game titles. MMO games are hard to make and it takes several years to make one. Warmonger123 (talk) 00:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yep! The original reference list I saw when I commented on this AfD was concerning because it only linked to Newgrounds, Play Store etc. but these articles you've added seem to demonstrate notability, merely publishing a game does not. I have stricken my comment as I'm not sure if the new sources are reliable. UPDATE: I've reviewed them and are maintaining my delete vote, see above for reasoning. MolecularPilot 06:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment I am still confused which sources the article creator claims pass WP:NCORP, if they have read the guideline at all. WP:ORGTRIV specifically states that "standard notices, brief announcements, and routine coverage" are not grounds for an article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:54, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  According to orgtriv, product launch considered as standard notice. If for game development companies we have to consider all product launch sources as standard notices, then all video game companies in wikipedia should be removed because they won't have any notable sources. Give me an example, how your recent article Tharsis (video game) can not be considered for deletion then, which sources are notable there? All sources you provided are either user-generated content (reviews) or, accoridng to orgtriv, are standard notices. Let's then go through all articles in wikipedia about video games and video game development companies and delete them, because all of them rely on sources relared on product launches, which are not notable, right? Warmonger123 (talk) 10:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Just to let you know, I am not here to protect the page no matter what, if you prove it should not be here, let it be deleted. I find wikipedia guidelines quiet blurry, so, let's figure out together where the line is in the fog. Warmonger123 (talk) 10:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I've added links to game reviews, including to the websites which you used in your articles. Warmonger123 (talk) 05:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I've added several links to [[Jay_Is_Games]] reviews of Moonmana's games Warmonger123 (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The newly added sources still lack significant coverage about the company. They consist of routine coverage and passing mentions. --Mika1h (talk) 09:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Check the article on yahoo, the game launch by Glu and Moonmana is the main topic of the article posted by subsidiary of NASDAQ. Most of the article is covering that, this is not a passing mention.

  All articles related to Ultimate pirates are passing mentions about Moonmana, but the main topic is Moonmana's game launch. We have 2 games covered, still not enough for the company page? Warmonger123 (talk) 10:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yahoo article is a press release, not an independent source per WP:PRSOURCE. Also per WP:CORPTRIV, announcements of product launches are not significant coverage. --Mika1h (talk) 10:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you. I am new in wikipedia and trying to figure out how to understand the rules.

  Can you please help me to understand what could be an example of an article in the internet which can pass the rules of wikipedia to make a game developer company eligible to be added to wikipedia? If I go through wikipedia game developers and check their article sources, there is almost no game development company which has sources that fit the criteria. So, following the rules, 90-95% of game developers and games have to be deleted from wikipedia, because the articles rely on press releases, announcements of games (products), paid articles or interviews (not independent), biased game reviews etc.

  For example, let's take the developer, which definitely should be in the wikipedia: Don't_Nod

  Please check the list of the links the article has and tell me at least one, which doesn't fail WP:NCORP criteria. If I go through the list, I can't find a single link, which can pass the WP:NCORP criteria. But the developer is still there. (And should be IMO). Give me a link I'll tell you which criteria it fails. Warmonger123 (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Gamekult's article about the company's financials: [65]. Edge's multi-page studio profile seems substantial: [66], Game Developer's report of a report on mismanagement at the company: [67]. --Mika1h (talk) 15:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. company financials - fails WP:NCORP, falls under Examples of trivial coverage: routine coverage, such as: of annual financial results and earning forecasts

  2. Facebook in an unreliable source according to: https://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Facebook

  3. An article about working conditions STJV union claims are not good at "don't nod" according to employees - fails WP:NCORP, see Examples of trivial coverage: coverage of purely local events, incidents, controversies. Warmonger123 (talk) 21:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  So what do you think? Let's delete "don't nod"? :) Warmonger123 (talk) 21:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - None of the coverage passes WP:ORGCRIT. In fact, the Yahoo article is a press release (Yahoo is one of the many aggregators or press releases from Ciscon, Global News Wire, and others). --CNMall41 (talk) 19:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, I didn't know yahoo is an aggregator of press releases. I have remove the link. I have added new links today, including MSN and gamebiz.jp.

  Please check the links and tell me if they work. Also please check this link: https://www.mmorpg.com/columns/mmo-launch-spotlight-actual-abandonware-hits-steam-this-week-2000131728

  It was there before, but I don't understand which criteria it doesn't meet. Warmonger123 (talk) 21:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please note: both Microsoft, Gamebiz.jp and the editor from mmorpg.com decided to highlight the games by themselves, these are not press-releases. Warmonger123 (talk) 22:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, it is not common practice to throw up references that then ask people "if they work." If you believe they are reliable to show notability, you will need to state so along with the reason why. Nothing that I have seen on the page or in a search show notability here. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have more experience in wikipedia. I am not an expert in journalism, I don't know how to differintiate a press-release from an article, not in all cases. Sometimes it's clear when a company gives a press release and you can see the text is definetely written by the company and is not neutral, sometimes is not obvious. I didn't know Yahoo is an agregator of news, so, I added the link, though it was a news, but you siad it was a press-release and I removed it.

I am 100% sure that news from Microsoft and Mmorpg.com are not press releases. Both are reliable sources, both not brief mentions, both articles dedicated to the company's games, both neutral. 2 links = multiple sources. Warmonger123 (talk) 09:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed links to press-releases (what I think were press-releases) and added more links to game reviews. If it's still not enough coverage for a company, I will make the game pages then. Warmonger123 (talk) 05:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added several links to the company's game reviews Warmonger123 (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"I will make the game pages then" - This is certainly something you are free to do. I just want to make sure you do so if they are notable. I would suggest using the AfC process. Although not required, it may spare some headaches down the road. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're ignoring my messages about Microsoft news, Gamebiz.jp news, Mmoorpg links, which mention the company and the company's games, as well as game reviews. These are not press releases. If you claim there is no links which pass criteria of WP:ORGCRIT it's your obligation to prove it. Warmonger123 (talk) 20:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not ignoring. I chose not to reply as I can only state things so many times before it becomes exhausting. WP:ORGCRIT is the guideline to follow. You keep adding references and then asking if they are good enough. It is up to you to read and understand the guideline and then present reasoning why the references you feel meet ORGCRIT indeed meet ORGCRIT. You stated "I've added several links to the company's game reviews." That's great. State the ones that fall under ORGCRIT to show notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If a company has released several notable games that have been reviewed or featured by reputable sources such as MSN News, Jay Is Games, gamebiz.jp, MMORPG.com, it may be considered notable.

If you strictly start removing or ignoring links from game development company pages that don't meet Wikipedia:ORGCRIT, you may find yourself in a situation where 90-95% of game development companies would be deleted from Wikipedia. This is because most developers lack links that fully meet all Wikipedia:ORGCRIT criteria. (See my example above with Don't Nod.)"

I can explain in detail:

1. Game-related coverage: Most links on game development company pages are related to the release, cancellation, or reviews of their games (products). These typically fail Wikipedia's significant coverage (SIGCOV) guideline because the articles focus on the products rather than the company itself.
2. Financial reports and transactions: Links related to financial statements, forecasts, layoffs, acquisitions, and mergers often fall under trivial coverage, as they do not provide significant, in-depth information about the company.
3. Interviews: Interviews with founders or employees fail to meet the secondary source requirement, as they are not considered independent or neutral.
4. Controversies: Controversial topics (e.g., Blizzard's sexual harassment cases, Ubisoft's #MeToo allegations) are usually treated as trivial or sensational coverage rather than substantial corporate analysis.

While it is possible to find original journalistic research that presents a company's history and is not based on interviews with founders or employees, such sources are extremely rare. Most video game companies do not have links that meet all Wikipedia's criteria for notability.

Another category of sources that might meet the criteria are articles covering legal troubles, lawsuits, or trials in detail. However, these are typically only available for large corporations. Medium or smaller companies rarely receive detailed press coverage of their legal issues.

Examples:

• Quantic Dream: Almost all links fall under points 1–3, except those related to their legal trials.
• Hazelight Studios: A well-known studio, but all links focus on their games, and thus fail WP:CORP
• Finally, I reviewed 232 links on the Ubisoft page. Nearly all of them fall under points 1–4.

I have no doubts these companies are significant and should be in Wikipedia. My only doubt is that WP:CORP should be applicable for video game development companies strictly. (Because currently it's impossible to meet the criteria for most of the companies that should be in Wikipedia) Warmonger123 (talk) 08:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I made mistakes adding some links to press releases, but not all of the links were press-releases, I removed press-releases and added new sources which are definitely not press-releases. Warmonger123 (talk) 21:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You say none of the coverage passes Wikipedia:ORGCRIT. I don't agree. I don't believe you checked all the links. I read [[WP:BEFORE]] and it says it's YOUR obligation to check the article sources and history before nominating it for deletion. So if you just come to an article, say "nothing passes - delete" without proofs - it's an act of vandalism. Warmonger123 (talk) 20:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously a WP:CIR issue as you are addressing me as if I nominated the page for deletion. You can address my "vandalism" at WP:ANI, which is exactly where I will take it should you not redact the accusation.--CNMall41 (talk) 08:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an accusation. In the sentence by "you" I didn't mean to address you. Often "you" is used to refer to people in general rather than addressing a specific individual. By "you" I meant "one"/"someone": So if someone just comes to an article, say "nothing passes - delete" without proofs - it's an act of vandalism. And the sentence contains "if", which means it's conditional. I removed links you addressed as problematic and other links which seem like press-releases. I asked you which problems do you see with the other links I provided, you chose not to respond. My mistake was to expect collaboration and to expect people who mark an article as "Delete" to respond.

I added the article. My goal is either to improve it until it fits the state which allows it to exist, or, to understand it's not possible and then it should be deleted and I have just 7 days to do so. But I would like the article to be treated the same way as other articles about game development companies no matter what of the outcomes it'll face. Warmonger123 (talk) 13:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I definitely lack of competence, there is no doubt. I am a newcomer. But I'm learning and would be nice for you to rememberWikipedia:Encourage the newcomers advises not only Criticize newcomers, but also to Respond. Warmonger123 (talk) 13:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I am 100% agree that in the initial state the article had to be marked for deletion and User:Zxcvbnm did the right thing. Now I think the article has been significantly improved and deserves another review. Warmonger123 (talk) 14:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of the new sources - still nada. Please understand that notability cannot be inherited from a company's products. The product itself may be notable, but sources have to talk directly about a company for it to qualify as significant coverage. Significant: "We take an office tour of XYCorp". Insignificant: "XYCorp announces the new SuperPhone".

I guarantee you will be encouraged if you demonstrate you are here to build an encyclopedia and not just to promote one specific company. That means dropping the WP:STICK, letting the article potentially be deleted while accepting it isn't personal, and working on other stuff. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Zionist regime (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Basically another name for the already deleted Zionist entity article Abo Yemen✉ 08:21, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as per nomination. No need for duplicate articles.TH1980 (talk) 00:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - the AfD for Zionist entity was unusual, in that there seemed to be a rough consensus that the topic itself was notable, but editors argued for deletion anyway based on neutrality concerns. Neutrality is normally a reason to improve an article rather than delete it. Moreover, neutrality is a property of articles rather than topics. The non-neutrality of a different article is not an argument to delete this one, regardless of the topics' similarity. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 22:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nomination. Also somewhat for the reasoning provided in the Zionist entity discussion. seefooddiet (talk) 01:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep it appears be sourced and a real term. I'm open to a merge. Andre🚐 01:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Isreal: ,specifically a section dealing with legitimacy on the world stage. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 03:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination or merge to Zionist entity article. Hogo-2020 (talk) 05:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  To clarify, since Zionist entity is currently not an article but a redirect to Israel, do you mean delete or redirect to Israel? — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 17:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - can those supporting deletion explain what the argument is? Deletions are normally decided based on notability, so it's strange that there are zero mentions of notability in delete !votes here, and only one in the related AfD. Unexplained !votes aren't really useful. If the concerns could be articulated, that would give us an opportunity to address them, e.g. by adding additional sources if needed. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 17:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Legitimacy_of_the_State_of_Israel#Rhetoric_of_delegitimization as was done with "Zionist entity." This article has the same WP:NPOV problems as that article did. To address another comment above, a subject can fail WP:GNG even if it is discussed with sigcov in reliable sources because the second part of the GNG is the test of whether a standalone page is needed. In this case, it's not, since this subject is already discussed elsewhere, and this page is a WP:COATRACK for non-neutral perspectives. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for explaining. Yes WP:GNG does leave the door open for other arguments against inclusion in spite of the presumption. Still, the presumption does carry weight, making deletion more difficult to justify. NPOV concerns generally aren't considered a reason for deletion. I think this topic would outgrow the discussions elsewhere (like Legitimacy of the State of Israel) if given the chance to be developed, rather than being deleted at early stage with a prompt AfD. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 01:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The essay you linked says “If a NPOV problem in an article could be solved with simply more editing, then that's not a reason for deletion.” I don’t think more editing will ever make an article entitled “the Zionist regime” sufficiently neutral, and the broader subject matter can be covered better at the redirect target suggested. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't see why it can't be neutral. We have many articles about loaded and/or politically charged language - see e.g. Category:Political pejoratives.

  I'm not even sure what the neutrality concerns would be about the current article? The talk page is empty, and no specific issues have been mentioned here either.

  If we're going to have another WP:TNT decision here (which seems extreme especially as a first step), we at least need to understand what issues to avoid the next time a recreation is attempted. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 05:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Israel#Rhetoric of delegitimization. It's a name for Israel used by some. Whether for delegitimization or just in denial. gidonb (talk) 23:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IGlue (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not notable. OXYLYPSE (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Spring Financial (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Run-of-the-mill predatory/payday lender. "Reviews" are indiscriminate WP:SPIP with no meaningful content. Wikipedia is not the place to host brochures. No indication of any independent coverage, in-depth in reliable sources, in fact there's barely anything beyond the SPIP and the routine "I got predatory loaned to" that all of these have, which, while sad, are not great sources for encyclopedic content. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:58, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Not really meeting CORP. There's the Global News article about someone that wasn't happy with their loan, and this [68] where someone with the company talks about their work model... Not really sigcov in either case. Rest are all PR links. Oaktree b (talk) 15:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Darius Yuen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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BLP of a successful businessman and philanthropist lacking in depth independent coverage. Non-notable awards, Forbes and routine coverage of career moves. Does not seem notable. Mccapra (talk) 07:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete a reasonable search for sources turns up nothing substantial. Yes, he got a 1-paragraph mention in a Forbes Asia list, but I can't see how WP:BLP is met, and no other applicable category Oblivy (talk) 09:37, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

  People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

  • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

  Sources

  1. Tam, Wai-yun 譚蕙芸 (2010-10-25). "金融猛人海嘯「橫財」打貧" [Financial Tycoon Tsunami: 'Windfall' to Fight Poverty.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2010-10-28. Retrieved 2024-10-08 – via Yahoo! News.

     The article notes: "跳槽前，阮勵欣已是政券界猛人，在法國巴黎銀行任亞洲部主管，曾參與蒙牛、比亞迪、百盛、長城汽車上市活動。後來貝爾斯登與中信證券達成合作協議，邀請他任亞洲部主管，他認為新工作更有挑戰，於是在2008年2月辭職，詎料一個月後新公司股價暴跌，3月14日他在休假時，收到一個震撼的電話。"

     From Google Translate: "Before the jump, Darius Yuen was already a strongman in the political and securities industry, working as head of Asia at BNP Paribas and participating in the listing activities of Mong Kok, BYD, Parkson and Great Wall Motors. Bear Stearns later reached a cooperation agreement with CITIC Securities, inviting him to be head of Asia. He found the new job more challenging, so he resigned in February 2008. He expected the new company's share price to plummet a month later On leave, I received a shocking phone call."

     The article notes: "他鑽研外國經驗，發現了一種名為「創投慈善」（Venture Philanthropy）的社會服務模式，就是按商業邏輯發掘有潛質的社會服務，替他們籌集資金，提供營運意見。如果阮勵欣以前做的是IPO，發掘有潛質的新公司替它們上市，他現在就是推廣SPO（Social Purpose Organization），找尋有社會效益的機構來投資。他的慈善機構名為「心苗」，至今已贊助了數項在亞洲的社會服務。在上海，他們投放了50萬元人民幣，支持一個為建築物料是否符合環保準則作評級的網站；在南亞，他們正研發一部太陽能電腦，讓學生在偏遠村落也可上網學習。"

     From Google Translate: "He drilled into foreign experience and discovered a social service model called Venture Philanthropy, which is to discover potential social services according to business logic, raise funds for them, and provide operational advice. If Darius Yuen used to do IPOs and discover potential new companies to list them, he is now promoting SPOs (Social Purpose Organizations) and looking for socially beneficial institutions to invest in. His charity, called Heart Seedlings, has sponsored several social services in Asia. In Shanghai, they have invested RMB 500,000 to support a website that rates whether buildings are expected to meet environmental criteria, and in South Asia, they are developing a solar-powered computer that will allow students to learn online in remote villages."

  2. "一周出差四次 兩年未踏九龍" [Four Business Trips in a Week: Two Years Without Setting Foot in Kowloon]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2010-10-25. Archived from the original on 2010-10-28. Retrieved 2024-10-08 – via Yahoo! News.

     The article notes: "阮勵欣做了18年投資銀行，他的職業生涯可以用「瘋狂」來形容﹕早上6時半起床，看《華爾街日報》、《金融時報》，午餐晚餐都要見客，其餘時間與各國股市同步呼吸，幸運的話深夜12時可以休息，但間中也會不眠不休2至3天。"

     From Google Translate: "Darius Yuen has been an investment banker for 18 years. His career can be described as "crazy": he gets up at 6:30 in the morning, reads the "Wall Street Journal" and "Financial Times", meets guests for lunch and dinner, and does the rest. Time breathes in sync with the stock markets of various countries. If he was lucky, he would rest at 12 o'clock in the middle of the night, but sometimes he would not sleep for 2 to 3 days."

     The article notes: "阮勵欣9歲離開香港到洛杉磯讀書，在南加州大學會計系畢業後不久，就做銀行家。18年來只關心財經，記者問，香港對你來說是什麼？"

     From Google Translate: "Darius Yuen left Hong Kong at the age of 9 to study in Los Angeles. Shortly after graduating from the accounting department of the University of Southern California, she worked as a banker. In the past 18 years, you have only cared about finance. The reporter asked, what does Hong Kong mean to you?"

  3. Tan, Choe Choe (2022-02-14). "After Hong Kong, Sow Asia founder wants to help spur impact investing in Malaysia". The Edge. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

     The article notes: "In 2008, Darius Yuen founded Sow Asia, a Hong Kong-based charitable foundation that has been supporting early-stage social enterprises intent on scaling their social or environmental impact. ... For the remarkable work he did with Sow Asia — which is still going strong — Yuen was honoured as one of Forbes’ Heroes of Philanthropy in 2011, when he was 41. More than a decade after that, success stories such as HK Recycles Ltd, which provides convenient recycling solutions for offices, schools and retail stores, alongside employment to autistic youths, keep him going. ... Yuen, who is managing director and responsible officer of Zhong Yi Investment Managers Ltd, an asset management company that he founded in July 2018 ..."

  4. Lam, Lana (2011-08-07). "Happiness is sharing your ideas with others". The South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

     The article notes: "Another speaker was venture philanthropist Darius Yuen Lai-yan, 41, a former investment banker with 18 years' experience who turned his back on making millions to give back to the community. He spoke of a 'red line' as the point where we make enough money for our basic needs and then everything above that was simply accumulation of desirables not necessities. Yuen established the Sow (Asia) Foundation which provides seed capital for sustainable projects with a focus on environmental awareness and education in design, construction and manufacturing on the mainland."

  5. Waller, Martin (2010-01-21). "Will Kraft's feel for Cadbury clear 2012 hurdle?". The Times. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

     The article notes: "We last came across Darius Yuen when he was about to move from the relatively unscarred BNP Paribas to the doomed Bear Stearns to become head of the equity capital markets group in Asia. Yuen, after “a shift in his own values”, according to his website, tells me that he has now set up the SOW (Asia) Foundation, a Hong Kong-registered charity investing in social entrepreneurs. The first investment is in the producers of a much-needed rating system for building materials in China, which tells architects or whoever how green they are. So proving that some good can emerge out of almost any disaster imaginable."

  6. Articles about him resigning from BNP Paribas Capital Asia Pacific to join Bear Stearns in 2008:
     1. Gopalan, Nisha (2008-03-18). "New Bear Hire Has Bad Timing". The Wall Street Journal. ProQuest 2648659969. Archived from the original on 2024-07-24. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

        The article notes: "Hong Kong banker Darius Yuen must be ruing the day he left BNP Paribas after 14 years with the France investment bank and a Hong Kong brokerage house it once acquired. The former co-head of equity capital markets for Asia at BNP Paribas is on leave before taking a similar post at Bear Stearns at the end of May. The announcement of his new job came out Friday in Asia-hours before word of Bear's financial woes began to spread on Wall Street. The idea was that Mr. Yuen eventually would become head of equity capital markets at the Asia joint venture that Bear and China's Citic Securities signed in October."

     2. "Bear Hires New Asia Markets Executive". The New York Times. Reuters. 2008-03-14. ProQuest 2222392115.

        The article notes: "Bear Stearns has hired Darius Yuen from the French bank BNP Paribas to head its equity capital markets group in Asia, a spokeswoman told Reuters on Friday. ... Mr. Yuen will join in May and report to John Moore, who was named Bear’s Asia chief executive in August. He will assume the title of senior managing director and head of equity capital markets for Asia, according to a company spokeswoman, Jessie Hsieh. Mr. Yuen’s background in equity capital markets shows that Bear is eager to seize a greater underwriting presence in the region after initial public offerings surged in China last year. ... Mr. Yuen had been with BNP Paribas and its predecessor, Peregrine Investment, for 14 years, responsible recently for the bank’s ECM franchise in Asia, according to FinanceAsia, which reported the appointment."

     3. Waller, Martin (2008-03-15). "Let us all raise a glass to Darius Yuen - City Diary". The Times. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

        The article notes: "While we are on the subject, let us all raise a glass to Darius Yuen, who until now worked for BNP Paribus in Hong Kong."

     4. "法巴資深賓架 過檔貝爾斯登" [Senior Executive at Societe Generale Moves to Bear Stearns]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2008-03-13. p. A16.

        The article notes: "洋名Darius的阮勵欣，在法巴投資行融資部門任職9年，是次跳槽不知是否參與貝爾斯登和中信證券共同在亞洲大展拳腳的計劃有關。不過老杜聽聞，Darius仍需過冷河3個月後才可上任。早前他與愛妻共同開設一間現代畫廊，相信今次終於可以靜下來，一改投行家忙得團團轉的顛倒生活，與太座共同打理心頭好一段日子。"

        From Google Translate: "Yuen Lai-han, whose foreign name is Darius, has worked in the financing department of BNP Paribas Investment Bank for nine years. It is unknown whether his job change is related to Bear Stearns and CITIC Securities' plan to jointly expand their presence in Asia. However, Lao Du heard that Darius still needs to cross the cold river for three months before taking office. Earlier, he and his beloved wife jointly opened a modern gallery. He believes that this time he can finally calm down, change the busy and upside-down life of an investment banker, and take care of his heart together with his wife for a while."

     5. Bei, Hu (2008-03-12). "Yuen Quits as BNP Asia Equity Capital Markets Co-Head". Bloomberg News. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

        The article notes: "Darius Yuen quit as regional co-head of equity capital markets at BNP Paribas Capital Asia Pacific Ltd., the Asian corporate finance unit of BNP Paribas SA, becoming the latest former Peregrine Investment Holdings Ltd. banker to quit the firm. Yuen, 39, left the French bank last week ..."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Darius Yuen to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 09:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the sources found by Cunard. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 17:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment thanks for finding these but IMV they are not in depth coverage. They are a mix of routine sector coverage of who’s been hired and fired, and PR profiles. Mccapra (talk) 08:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Darius Yuen received significant coverage in international publications and in 2008, 2010, 2011, and 2022. The sources about his resigning from BNP Paribas Capital Asia Pacific to join Bear Stearns were published in 2008 in international publications.

    In 2010, he received significant coverage in the British publication The Times and the Hong Kong publications Ming Pao and the South China Morning Post about his move to philanthropy. In 2022, he received significant coverage in the Malaysian newspaper The Edge about his philanthropic work and post-banking career. There is enough biographical coverage to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria and Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep It seems to me that @Cunard shows significant, in-depth, independent coverage, enough to pass Wikipedia:Notability. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 00:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yusuke Tanahashi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Very far from meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Played 68 minutes in Japan' second league. No significant and independent coverage, including in ja:wiki. Geschichte (talk) 07:15, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 14:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dining rights (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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1. No Sources 2. Does not have notability Sheriff U3 talk 06:01, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: per WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Search for "dining rights uk" only yields a couple alumni pages on specific universities, not indicating WP:NOTABILITY.

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• Ok to delete as the article at the moment lacks citations and appears to be based on original research. No prejudice if the article is completely written in the future citing reliable sources, possibly reframed as the history of dining rights traditions in England (with roots in ancient Greece (?)). If sources are found that discuss it in meaningful depth, that is. JSTOR suggests there may be. Or not. In any case, not a quick fixer-upper. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Cielquiparle. I did a search as they did, and found some sources, but this page would have to be started from scratch. Bearian (talk) 16:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

El Taiger (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I can't find any significant coverage from independent and reliable sources.

the topic of the article seems not to comply with WP:SINGER, not WP:WEB, and just looking at the page shows that it also lacks WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS to comply with WP:GNG Pitille02 (talk) 05:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. For precisely the reasons presented in the nomination. Regards, BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 06:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There is significant coverage. There is a BBC article [69]. There is also coverage before death, in 2022, for instance [70][71][72] He seems a prominent artist. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The BBC source is about his death, while the others are press releases about an album and tour. Not significant independent coverage. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 16:56, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need the sources and significabt coverage to be before death of a person. BBC article has significant coverage, it has biography. There are also Cuban sources feom before his death. BilboBeggins (talk) 08:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. as the article looks now, there is no encyclopedic significance at all. If kept, reliable sources need to me added to the article for notability. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  First I want to mention that the article's notability is about the notability of the topic and amount of significant coverage, not the contents of the article. Second, I added contents. BilboBeggins (talk) 08:30, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No significant media coverage of his music career, only his death. Death does not automatically establish notability. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 16:49, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Article in Billboard covers his music career: "One of the most popular Cubaton artists (a genre that fuses reggaeton with traditional Cuban rhythms), El Taiger is known for his Cuban-rooted urban sound heard in songs such as “La Historia,” “El Papelito” and “Habla Matador.”" [73] BilboBeggins (talk) 08:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There are reliable sources and there were more more sources, some from reliable sites, which were taken out of the article. Also, the nominator did not tell me about the nomination. Jeanette Lalo Camacho Martin (si?) 19:50, 12 October, 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: A quick online search suggests that subject's death is the only source of significant coverage and, therefore, not "highly significant" according to WP:1E. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It is not the only source of coverage, there are sources about his works [74] BilboBeggins (talk) 08:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Also Independent article is before his death, it has significant coverage, so it's not One Event case [75]. BilboBeggins (talk) 09:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  BilboBeggins WP:BLUDGEON. And for your persistent claims that any notable coverage of the subject existed before his death, it's still not in the article. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 17:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There is a problem that some votes do not use argumentation based on facts, I want to stress this fact.

  I added into article a 2017 Billboard reference about his song featured on the soundtrack of Fate of the Furious, breaking film. On this page I mentioned 2022 references. The Independent article is also technically before his death. There is also an article from today, so the coverage does not stop.

  Reliable sources call artist famous in Cuba.

  There are articles in BBC, Independent, ET about him. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I cannot find any source that can be suitable for this article, just promotional content and profiles. 181.197.42.215 (talk) 17:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC) Striking sock !vote. Daniel (talk) 22:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep - it seems the subject accomplished enough as a musician to pass the notability guideline, but at the same time the fact that so many of the referances in the article are about his death seems to be problematic. This source seems to cover his life more in-depth, will look for other references. It does at the moment seem that most of the citations fail WP:NOTNEWS. Inter&anthro (talk) 01:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've added some content and references from sources that precede his death. Hopefully the article now passes WP:GNG. Inter&anthro (talk) 02:07, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for the input. However, content about his religion, family members or his legal issues doesn't explain why the subject is notable as a musician. His discography has no articles, nor is there evidence of any awards or chart/notable label activity. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 03:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    He collaborated with Enrique Iglesias and was part of the soundtrack of Fate of hhe Furious.

    This content prives that there is significant coverage.

    "His discography has no articles" — I am not sure what that means. There are sources fir his works. If you mean that there are no separate articles on his albums, it's not required. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dipali Goenka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A promotional biography of a businesswoman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Also, Wikipedia is not a resume hosting site WP:NOTRESUME. Also, the entire page is dominated by company references, while her personal references are limited to either WP:ROUTINE or WP:ADMASQ. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 05:13, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment There has been some misleading promotionalism in this article: in Recognition it said "Forbes magazine named her as the 16th most powerful woman in Asia and the 4th in India in 2016", but she was listed 16th in a list which explicitly states "this list -- which is presented alphabetically and is not intended to be a ranking". (I've edited this). This suggests that all sourcing needs very careful checking. PamD 08:11, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I’m not going to waste my time and yours with a detailed analysis of the made up in one day award and passing mentions. Suffice to say that she’s not notable. We’ve seen a lot of those pages, but in 2024 everyone knows we are not a free website listing everyone who runs a large business. Bearian (talk) 16:38, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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promotional..notability in doubt SINGS09 (talk) 03:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Disagree with this nomination, particularly no evidence of a WP:BEFORE. The article does need some cleanup but that's no reason for deletion. There is enough coverage, including of awards and platinum sales, from independent sources to meet WP:MUSICBIO. ResonantDis_tortion 09:43, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep as has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources including newspapers and books already referenced in the article that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:36, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awmsawi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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PROD'd with the rationale: Could not find a single reliable source that mentions this placename. NGS Names Server doesn't even have it as a "populated place", their wastebasket taxon of geographic names. Searching the coords in Google shows what's maybe a few houses, but without any reliable sources, even a trivial legal recognition, we can't confirm the place meets GEOLAND.

De-PROD'd with the edit summary "deprod; appears to exist; WP:GEOLAND", which completely fails to take into account that I did address GEOLAND in my PROD rationale. "Appears to exist" based on what reliable sources? None, of course, were added. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• delete due to failed verification. GMaps shows a village named "Butlang" at the given coordinates; maybe they are the same but without sources there's every reason not to believe this article. Mangoe (talk) 20:02, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Clearly a recognised settlement. Has three churches, which is unlikely for "maybe a few houses". If you zoom out on the map you will clearly see a village labelled Awm Sawi north of Butlang. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Necrothesp, you say this is "Clearly a recognised settlement". Recognised by what government entity, as required by GEOLAND? What sourcing is this assertion based on? Google maps is not a reliable source. You have been on Wikipedia long enough to know that statements such as these ought to be backed up by referring to reliable sources, so please provide some or strike your comment. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I tend to use common sense. Extremely unpopular with some "rules"-obsessed editors, I know. How can a map that shows a village not be a reliable source? Are you saying Google Maps has put a village there that doesn't actually exist? Because otherwise, that's clearly a village! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That's great, but as you know, Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not vibes. For all we know, that area is part of Butlang, the named place where its coordinates map to. For all we know, the location there isn't even called Awmsawi, perhaps it's called something else and Google has taken the placename from us in an act of citogenesis. We just don't know, and in the absence of reliable sources to verify the content, we shouldn't have an article. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Google only very recently removed the incorrect name it had for a town I grew up near (I ceased sending in reports about it about 15 years ago). The town is in an Anglophone country. I wouldn't trust anything it has to say about Burma without outside evidence. -- asilvering (talk) 03:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Meh. The article is one sentence with some coordinates. The coordinates clearly show an Awmsawi village with local buildings named Awmsawi. I don't know how to do a local search to prove this exists or to even find more information about it considering the non-English script. My hunch is it's eligible for an article but it's not easily proved. SportingFlyer T·C 00:50, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Matupi Township, where I've added info on Awmsawi being one of the Matupi villages designated "red" by the military according to this news article (though Google just translates it as "M." here). I also found the village (အမ်ဆွေး) in a government list of villages of Mutupi Township -- page 73, third table, third entry under the header (Google somehow translates it as "Am sorry"...). JoelleJay (talk) 19:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happily on board with a redirect, thank you for finding those. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:57, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect as suggested, or to Chin State. There’s just not enough information to create a stub at this time. Bearian (talk) 16:41, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Awmsawi seems to also be referred by the name 'Amsoi B' (see GeoNames). Doing a search of this brings up a few things like this PDF which mentions this as a village and this other pdf which shows it on a map.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure that this article on the Burmese Wikipedia corresponds to Awmsawi judging by the co-ordinates. The article says that it was in a census, thus meeting WP:GEOLAND. 122.56.85.105 (talk) 22:57, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Natasha Tambudzai Mncube (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The article relies on a very limited number of sources, primarily one cited article and a reference to Britannica. Many key details, such as her participation in "Big Brother The Chase" in 2013, her origin, and her personal history, are uncited. A WP:BEFORE search brought nothing out, and the article reads more like a promotional profile than an encyclopedic entry. The article fails to meet WP:GNG. Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 04:39, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The supposed reference to "Britannica" is in fact linked to the same Drum (SNL24) article as the first ref. So that there's only one source. It may be considered significant although based on an interview but I suppose it's not enough. The awards that she has apparently founded the Shining star Africa awards have received some coverage. Again, is that enough? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of South Korea, Ankara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:ORG. Only 2 primary sources provided. A search for sources found incidents like this which don't really add to notability. https://www.turkiyetoday.com/turkiye/south-korean-ambassador-jeong-yeondoo-prefers-yht-for-ankara-trip-539/ LibStar (talk) 03:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 04:20, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Merge an integral part of diplomatic relations between two countries are embassies. These articles cannot be missing from Wikipedia; if they are not notable standalone they should definitely be merged into the main article. For this particular embassy I found some references in the Turkish media - and there will be many more if I search thoroughly. [76] [77] [78] LefterDalaka (talk) 17:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2022. Article is largely cited to primary and non-independent sources. Not clear that the subject meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, or WP:SINGER. 4meter4 (talk) 02:53, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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May not meet WP:ENT or WP:SIGCOV. Minimal sourcing outside of her death. TJMSmith (talk) 01:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete I'm not seeing what makes her notable. Her follower count isn't especially massive in comparison to the highest followed on the app, her business ventures aren't notable. Rusted AutoParts 03:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  she passed away. This is pretty heartless to delete her autobiography. If you died you would want your legacy to live on. I know her husband would want this to stay up as well. 174.27.213.42 (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Wikipedia don't delete you have many other non famous people on here that are minor influences. 174.27.213.42 (talk) 07:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree with what is said above. Don't delete this article CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 14:14, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep this is an edge case but there is more than passing mention coverage of the subject before her death and certainly after. Nnev66 (talk) 21:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Glacier Bancorp (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Does not meet WP:NCORP. Most sources are routine. Badbluebus (talk) 01:03, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep. Per WP:LISTED, sufficient independent sources to clear WP:NCORP almost always exist for publicly traded companies. "Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports", and that is the case for this company. See the table below linking to recent (paywalled) independent analyst reports from MarketBeat for Glacier Bancorp (GBCI). Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date	Brokerage	Analyst Name	Action	Rating	Price Target	Upside/Downside on Report Date	Details
10/2/2024	Raymond James		Boost Target	Outperform ➝ Outperform	$45.00 ➝ $48.00	+7.55%	View Report Details
9/20/2024	Truist Securities		Boost Target	Hold ➝ Hold	$46.00 ➝ $50.00	+6.68%	View Report Details
8/27/2024	Piper Sandler		Reiterated Rating	Neutral ➝ Neutral	$38.00 ➝ $38.00	-17.84%	View Report Details
4/23/2024	Stephens		Lower Target	Equal Weight ➝ Equal Weight	$44.00 ➝ $40.00	+4.49%	View Report Details
4/22/2024	DA Davidson		Lower Target	Buy ➝ Buy	$48.00 ➝ $45.00	+25.28%	View Report Details

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Climate finance in the United States (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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AI-generated redundant fork of Climate change policy of the United States sourced entirely to primary sources. Flounder fillet (talk) 00:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Climate policy of the United States Climate change policy of the United States: As a WP:ATD. The article is too low-quality to merge anything. I note that there are several other articles titled "Climate finance in X", some of which might be suitable for merging into more general articles about climate change in their respective countries. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC) Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment While trying to learn more about the WikiEdu program, I stumbled on the WikiEdu Climate Finance campaign which might be the origin of some of these articles. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 08:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi @ClaudineChionh I'm helping to run this initiative and would be happy to answer any questions you, or anyone else, might have about it. Thanks for all of the discussion. Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm particularly concerned about Climate finance in Trinidad and Tobago, which was created by an admin who's affiliated with WikiEdu. Its sourcing consists of two primary sources and three other sources that barely even mention climate change and just regurgitate the words of various corporations. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 19:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi @Helpful Raccoon I am looking for more sources to appear on that article as well. I think those government sources are high quality and an appropriate start. Happy to discuss that more on that article's talk page if you like. Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 17:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for the contributions to the article, I am adding wider references that offer an outside view and supporting evidence of outcomes and successes. Netforcarbon (talk) 18:44, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hi Helpful Raccoon. I appreciate your concern. I created the climate finance in Trinidad and Tobago as a template for how to create articles like these - and to avoid largely redundant articles like this one. I do think this kind of information is important to surface particularly because it's buried in reports. That said, you're right, it's pretty bare bones, that that's on me for not continuing to expand it. Point taken. Guettarda (talk) 22:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for clarifying! One of my concerns is that it's unclear whether these climate finance articles meet WP:GNG. On the other hand, much of this information could be contained in broader articles such as "Climate change in X" or "Climate change policy in X". These articles could be sourced more easily while giving a more comprehensive overview of each country's situation. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 01:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for the consideration that the article is relevant to the Climate Policy in the United States which I did feel was another faucet of the topic. I was focusing on presenting a view of climate finance in the U.S. from the Paris agreement commitments and the outcomes of the action which is relevant to policy but I feel a need to present a wider view. Netforcarbon (talk) 18:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Helpful Raccoon, Climate policy of the United States isn't an appropriate Redirect target article because it is a Redirect, not an article. It should appear as a green link. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for pointing that out, I meant Climate change policy of the United States. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 05:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing this article, the first version had bullet point and errors in format that I thought was referred to AI format. I have changed the format. Netforcarbon (talk) 18:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Netforcarbon To be clear, did you use AI to write this article? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 20:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Raccoon not AI to write the article but I do have an AI review and format assistant. I also use an AI editor but the content is from my notes and reviews of other documents on the US commitments and outcomes pertaining to climate finance which is also within my profession. Netforcarbon (talk) 13:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I continued this discussion on your talk page. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 19:15, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I was alerted to this from the WikiProject Climate Change talk page. I haven't looked at the actual content yet but in general, I am against creating such sub-sub-articles, which usually end up lingering with very low pageviews. Why not rather include some of this content as an example in the article climate finance? Or else within a U.S. specific climate change article like suggested above. Like Climate change policy of the United States or Climate change in the United States.

Also if WikiEdu or someone is organising a drive to create lots of these "climate finance" type articles for specific countries then please alert others through the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Climate change (early on, not just at the end). Thanks to User:FULBERT for the recent alert.

Also, using Chat-GPT (or similar) for language polishing or for ideas for structuring the article is perfectly fine. Using it for actually up to date content generation might be flawed. I am curious to learn how (if) you used AI for this exercise? If done correctly and carefully there is nothing wrong with that. But you'd have to be able to detect hallucinations and wrong information while working with it. EMsmile (talk) 09:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@EMsmile I did not use AI to write content but I do use AI for format and for the final review. I will go back to rewrite content. I appreciate the insight to the wikiworld and the community of editors! Excellence in information sharing and climate finance in the Unites States is relevant and needs its own place of explanations that ultimately lead to the transparency of climate actions pertaining to financing. Netforcarbon (talk) 13:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, welcome to Wikipedia, User:Netforcarbon. I hope you like it here. My point is that if you want your content to be seen and read, then you might be better off integrating it into an existing article rather than creating a new one from scratch. I don't know if you have discovered the page view graphs yet? You can access it from the top "view history" tab. In general, I recommend to new Wikipedia editors to rather improve and enrich existing articles with higher pageviews rather than focusing on low pageview articles or even completely new articles. You have more impact with the high pageview articles. Also, if climate finance already has quite low pageviews (see here) then what makes you think that "climate finance in country X" would get any more pageviews? EMsmile (talk) 15:22, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Netforcarbon and Will (Wiki Ed). If you are interested, I think a discussion about the campaign on the wp:WikiProject Climate Change talk page could be fruitful. This would be a less stressful and more collaborative environment than AfD. One of my concerns at the moment is this and possibly other articles serving as an uncritical, promotional listing of things that governments and corporations have called climate finance. Unfortunately quite a few things that are labelled climate finance are greenwashing, fossil fuel subsidies in disguise, or just ineffective. If we could start with a broader conversation about your goals and your skillsets, we could help you with things like figuring out what sources to use and choosing high-impact articles to create/improve. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 21:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Clayoquot Thanks for that recommendation - I'll post something soon. I also appreciate the greenwashing concern. I think this is exactly why we should be focusing on this area. Separating substantive climate change mitigation action from greenwashing is important. The funding element is also challenging, but its as important as any other kind of legislation. Thanks again! Will (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep because the US has such enormous financial clout that the topic seems to me to be notable. US policy and finance are both so influential there should be enough info for two articles. Although they will overlap somewhat not all policy is finance (for example policy can make regulations or diplomacy) and not all finance is policy (for example Tesla was only partly government funded - a lot was private, and much else is private finance e.g. 3 Mile Island). Chidgk1 (talk) 18:21, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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April Evans (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Minor concert soprano who appears to mainly work as voice teacher. Her one big credit, the performance with the Opera Orchestra of New York, was as a last minute replacement for a sick singer. The review is not complimentary, stating she sang cleanly but without characterization. She appears to have had a very brief and unremarkable performance career in the 1980s. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 02:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Ok to delete. Found several reviews via Newspapers.com which were lukewarm to negative, like this 2004 Star-Ledger review of her performance as Aïda with the Metro Lyric Opera. Does not meet WP:SINGER. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:06, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Article is cited to unreliable sources like YouTube, or to sources connected directly with the subject. I could not locate any independent source with significant coverage. 4meter4 (talk) 02:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ludmilla Azova (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG for lack of significant coverage in independent sources. Further the article contains false information. For example, the New York Philharmonic has a meticulous searchable archive (see https://archives.nyphil.org/index.php/search?search-type=singleFilter&search-text=Ludmilla+Azova&search-dates-from=&search-dates-to=) of every performance given by the orchestra during its entire history. Every soloist is easily searchable and will pop up in a search . She gets zero hits in the archive, and never sang with the orchestra. When I looked at the sources much of the content in the article could not be verified to the cited sources (I have a subscription to The New York Times). I placed tags on material not supported by sources. Very little is actually verifiable. I can find no evidence that she sang in operas other than The Consul in New York, and the part she sang was the tiny role of Anna Gomez who doesn't even get an aria. There are no sources in newspapers or books that I could find to verify the La boheme, Madama Butterfly, and Faust performances. I strongly suspect these are also performances that were made up and never happened. Other than her recital review, there isn't any significant coverage on this singer. Newspaper archives didn't have anything nor did google books. 4meter4 (talk) 01:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - I support the nominator's expert investigation into the sources, and have little to add to the convincing analysis. Via Google Books I did find a couple of minor announcements for stage appearances by Ms. Azova in the late 1960s but she was only named briefly in long lists of credits. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:04, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Umut Camkiran (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined G4. According to the declining admin, the previous version of the article was more "expansive". Subject is clearly lacking notability, and no reliable sources have been provided. Fails WP:GNG. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fight results and database entries do not constitute significant independent coverage. As for WP:NBOX, Camkiran may be the WBC Asian champion, but the WBC currently shows 3 champions and ranks him as the #31 contender after them[79]. That's a long way from meeting the WP:NBOX requirement of a world top 10. Papaursa (talk) 01:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Papaursa. SerialNumber54129 19:20, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete unless someone can add references to reliable sources independent of this boxer that devote significant coverage to this boxer. Cullen328 (talk) 05:21, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Econofoods (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:NCORP. Sources on the page and in a WP:BEFORE do not meet WP:ORGCRIT. With only two locations I am unsure if press outside the local area could be found. CNMall41 (talk) 23:08, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Leaning keep as a notable-enough regional Iowa supermarket. Some book sources coming up and listings in Plunkett's food industry and retail almanacs, and the Hoover's Handbook of American Business, Handbook of NASDAQ stocks,. Combined with a few of the local news stories about store closings and acquisitions I think this does pass WP:GNG.[80][81] Andre🚐 01:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrevan:, sorry, just seeing your comment now or would have pinged you earlier. The two you cited from The Register Mail are both about two local stores closing. In fact, they are basically the same (one from the employee perspective and one from the customer perspective). Neither meet WP:CORPDEPTH for the chain itself. The other two are business listings. Are there any references out there you found that meet WP:ORGCRIT?--CNMall41 (talk) 06:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree those sources might not meet a stricter standard, I think it meets GNG, along with the other local news already in the article, and I'm not sure that merging with Nash Finch or SpartanNash is necessary, but I can't see a full-scale delete beyond that merger, and I think other times when companies have been merged it's muddled up the history in a confusing way that could be resolved by treating as separate articles. A regional grocery chain with not a lot of stores can be notable with sourcing that describes it with a bit of narrative as these local stories do, through a local lens, but aren't ROUTINE or press releases. They describe the acquisition of the chain by Nash Finch. “When Nash-Finch came in, I was working in Monmouth. It was my day off and I got the call at home,” Cecil said. He said he started to suffer from burnout as Nash-Finch “dictated” ways of doing business that he didn’t agree with, such as selling select, rather than choice beef. “I was told they were doing less than half the business we were doing in ’98,” Cecil said of Econofoods when it closed. “It didn’t have to happen.” An unlikely place for business analysis perhaps, but there you go. The other one talks about consolidation in the market. This is corroborated by the business almanacs and Moody's listings and other stuff that come up on a Google Books search. As I said, I think it meets GNG, and I think more data could be found in Newspapers.com which has over 20,000 results in Iowa, but I'm at a keep because I believe GNG-level sourcing exists and more could be found for an article here. Andre🚐 06:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point. However, as a company, it must meet the standards for companies and do not feel that these references do. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:37, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a stricter WP:SNG standard for what is presumed notable, but any article is notable if it meets WP:GNG. Unless that has changed, the stricter standard is supplemental. Besides which, the purpose is to keep out promotional articles, not the history of regional supermarkets. Notability as a guideline has interpretation, but it's not WP:IAR to use GNG instead of CORP, because it's a supplemental presumption guideline that doesn't obviate GNG. You are free to still opine delete here of course. WP:N: A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG) Emphasis mine.Andre🚐 05:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Unless that has changed" - That has not changed so you are quoting the SNG and GNG guidelines correctly. It is interesting as I argued this same contention (the one you present here) years ago but the company deletion discussions have, at least for the last four or five years, applied NCORP over GNG which is the reason for my contention to delete this page. Would be interesting to get a consensus otherwise as it would allow for keeping some pages that would be borderline under NCORP but likely meet GNG. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per what Andre said. ^Wiinter_U 04:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lalbijo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Additional_criteria #3 Creative professionals. All he did was create a short film about a man getting water (no dialogue) and all the sources are about the short film [82]. The feature film he directed did not release yet. A simple Google search yields nothing. WP:TOO EARLY. Redirect to The Big Bang (2019 film)?

I thought this source was about him [83] but it only mentions his name (ലാൽ ബിജോ) four times. DareshMohan (talk) 00:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to The Big Bang (2019 film): until the other film is released. I am not opposed to Keep as one of the applicable guideline, WP:DIRECTOR indicates that directors of even one notable work can be considered notable. But the said work being a short, in the present case, the redirect suggested by DareshMohan seems to be a fair compromise. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:55, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:NDIRECTOR. The director has not made a remarkable or significant achievement, enough to deserve attention. The sources on the page do not have significant coverage on the director himself to pass WP:NBIO. RangersRus (talk) 17:14, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article contains zero independent sources with significant coverage. The sources used are all self published or from primary materials closely connected to the subject. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 00:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - The article looks like an attempt to prop up a rather average career with exaggerations and flowery prose. She has some concert announcements and recordings, and apparently appeared at Carnegie Hall, but (at least in English) I can find no significant coverage or her career or biography. Also, four concerts in seven years do not constitute a "World Tour". ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:51, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:V. Two of the four links are unalived. Bearian (talk) 16:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Castles and Fortresses of Western Ukraine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD )

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Not notable, deleted in Ukrainian wikipedia. Шиманський Василь (talk) 06:45, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: only references are user-generated or in databases which include any published book such as Google Books, Goodreads, National Library of Ukraine etc. Searches for the English and original name reveal no evidence of WP:NOTABILITY.

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History of the Jews in Laos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Singular source which references the article itself, Laos is apparently the least antisemitic country (because there are almost no Jews there.) This is just not a significant community at all. Gazingo (talk) 21:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, one source and the only thing it says about the Jewish community there is basically that there are no Jews in Laos. Andre🚐 04:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, obviously. This article about the history of Jews in Laos just says there is no history, no community and only four Jews. Ridiculous. Zero^talk 11:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]