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The result was redirect‎ to Arctic (disambiguation)#Ships. Star Mississippi 01:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arctic (tug) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This set index article is currently acting as an incomplete disambiguation of the base name Arctic, which already has its own disambiguation page. Keep or redirect to Arctic (disambiguation) § Ships? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  Redirect to Arctic (disambiguation) § Ships, as all the contents are listed in the disambiguation page, including the aforementioned USS Arctic (SP-1158), accessible via USS Arctic, which is listed in the disambiguation page. Pygos (talk) 11:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment they are not all listed at the disambiguation page, but instead need to navigate into the sublist USS Arctic, which lists one of the tugs, and not on the main disambiguation page. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk)
  • I am fine with redirecting it to the disambiguation page. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 00:00, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 00:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article on a gelato brand no longer in existence, fails WP:NCORP and GNG. A before search finds social media but not much else. Netherzone (talk) 23:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete as it seems like not many web sources were covering it. However, a quick glance on Google Newspapers reveal that newspapers across the country seemed to have been covering it at some point. However, I'm not sure those could fulfill the general notability guideline. Tavantius (talk) 04:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tavantius, Are you looking at the Google hits for the company in Beverly Hills, California or the one in Ireland? I too saw in a BEFORE search some hits for the Ireland Al Gelato, however this article is on the company that used to exist in Beverly Hills/Los Angeles, California. Either way because it's a business, it would need CORPDEPTH coverage to meet WP:NCORP not just GNG. Netherzone (talk) 05:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Semantic argument. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm proposing the article Semantic discord for deletion. The existing have serious problems and I have not been able to find significant sources that are specifically about "semantic discord" (or "semantic dispute"). The article is very old (2004) and have not had many serious expansions since. Various examples have been added and later removed because they were unfortunate examples. In 2021, it was merged with Semantic dispute (which has the same issues).

Comments on the current sources:

• The article in "The Horizon" may have it as its specific topic but I cannot access it (but it seems to be a student publication, which is maybe not ideal as the only serious source).
• The Devitt article is about methods in (philosophical?) semantics and covers something relevant about the topic. He uses the term "semantic" disputes a few times, but sometimes it seems to be more in the sense of 'dispute within the field of semantics'. (I have not read it in its entirety, but the word 'discord' does not occur there).
• The source "Encyclopedia of GIS" is about naming conventions of geographic data (about 'semantic uncertainty', with a section of two paragraphs called "Discord"), which is not really the topic of the article.
• The fourth source may be spam, but used to link to some course notes that are about the term 'semantically loaded' (related, but something different).

The term "semantic discord" can be easily be found in use through searching (when searching, I spent extra time looking at Google Scholar), but it does not seem to be something specific that is studied or described in detail in an encyclopedic (or encyclopedically useful) way. It seems to be used to refer to any kind of discord (in the normal sense of the word, i.e. disagreement or tension) that may be connected to "semantics" in a very broad sense. Sometimes it's the lack of linguistic agreement, sometimes it's differing meaning in different languges, sometimes it's differences in the interpretation of law, sometimes it's differing in the core of various ism's, and some people seem to introduce it as a term for their statistical solution to some problem. But I got the feeling that the term is very often a loaded term itself, often used to describe some arguing as a rooted in questions of definition (especially the case with 'semantic dispute'). Over the history of this article and "semantic dispute", various examples have been added and removed as not being good or being opinionated.

I have difficulty seeing how it would be possible to write about it without some variety of original research (or synthesis) or without controversial examples/POV problems.

Potentially, something about the term could in principle fit into a broad-concept article on "Discord", which it seems difficult to disentangle from (but note that an earlier article on "Disagrement" was deleted), but it could be a redirect target nonetheless. Or it could redirect to Semantic argument, which seems related, or one of the things under "see also" (e.g. to loaded language).

There are no links from article namespace except the disambiguation page Discord (disambiguation) (I removed an irrelevant link from Ladda Land recently), but there are links from various discussions. Note that Semantic dispute and Semantically loaded redirects to it. //Replayful (talk | contribs) 23:36, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep the article is not in good shape, and it isn't clear if there are editors interested in the topic, but there are many scholarly articles that use the term. Without doing deep research (i.e. no, I'm not going to read 10-20 articles on G-Scholar), I am going to assume that the use of the term in those sources is significant. Lamona (talk) 03:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  But do you have the impression there was any significant coverage of the term? I went through several pages on Google Scholar and everything looked like passing mention (or just regular use) of the two words. //Replayful (talk | contribs) 10:44, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What they show is that "semantic discord" is a "thing" - it is a known concept that is used frequently to describe something. Most of them don't define it, which tells me that they expect readers to already understand the concept. That tells me is that it is a common concept in some disciplines. I did find one article discussing it as a concept rather than using it to describe social actions - here. A search in Google Books brings up a number of books in the area of linguistics. I don't know if this is just some post-modern gobbly-gook or if it is a serious area of study - I have yet to find the origin of the term, which presumably would define it. But there is a lot of evidence of its use. Lamona (talk) 17:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I guess we're interpreting the evidence in opposite ways :) But what I fear is that having a Wikipedia article makes it sound more like a "thing" than it is. The 2020 paper you mention seems a lot like a close paraphrase of Wikipedia, and it doesn't provide any sources in the relevant section. Some of the linguistic books are probably going to be about lack of linguistic agreement of semantic features, which is something else than what the article is currently about. //Replayful (talk | contribs) 15:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I very much share your concern that the Wikipedia article is creating something out of nothing with this term (as I discuss below). I found that same 2020 computer science paper in my own search and it's really the closest I could find to useful coverage at all-- and it's a totally sourceless claim about an unrelated discipline, exactly the sort of thing someone would pull from Wikipedia. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 08:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Unsure of what to do here. There’re some possibilities of expansion and examples, such as the use of “rigor” in education, but I don’t see any secondary sources. Is this too soon? Bearian (talk) 02:32, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Too soon, yes, with the footnote that it's among the first 1000 pages on Wikipedia (as Semantic dispute) and has not developed well in the time since then. //Replayful (talk | contribs) 10:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This is the sort of phrase where I do think it's necessary to actually examine the sourcing to see if people are discussing a well-defined concept or if they're just naturally pairing together the words "semantic" and "discord"/"dispute". (i.e., the difference between apple pie-- a Thing-- and yummy pie-- a common linguistic construction.) I can't find any evidence that this is a Thing. Below is my assessment of some sources, starting with the ones cited in the article.

• meh: "Semantic discord is rooted in confusing labels and titles" (unpaywalled wayback link) This is a student editorial about the political terms "pro-life" and "Defund the Police," which argues that both terms are ineffective because they cause semantic discord. Its only discussion of semantic discord is in the introductory paragraph: ...semantic discord, which is when two parties disagree on the meaning of a word or several words that are crucial to furthering discussion of the issue at hand. Oftentimes, semantic discord arises not out of genuine misunderstanding, but as an opportunity for petty jabs at an opponent... -- this implies that semantic discord is A Thing but I wouldn't consider it sigcov in itself.
• nope: "Uncertainty, Semantic." In Encyclopedia of GIS -- This encyclopedia redirects "semantic discord" as a synonym for semantic uncertainty, as defined in the discipline of geographic data analysis, which is entirely different from what our article discusses. (It is really just the idea that Birmingham is ambiguous.)
• nope: The Methodology of Naturalistic Semantics -- This is an article about semantics that never uses the words "semantic discord". It does pose as its key question How should we go about settling semantic disputes? (p 545) Having desperately worked to understand this paper, however, I conclude that it actually about the concept of intuition in philosophy, and is useless for writing an article called "semantic discord"; moreover, it does not remotely verify the information it is cited for.
• big nope: The fourth cited source, currently listed as "SO3", used to point to a PDF, visible in this prior version of the page. The PDF is a professor's class notes for their students, including a vocabulary list, including the vocabulary word "semantically loaded." This is not useful coverage of the concept "semantic discord."
• nope: Semantical Discordances of Comparison in Law Negatively Defined -- this is a paper on an entirely unrelated topic (comparative law) which just happens to use the phrase semantic discord.
• nope: Semantic Discord: Finding Unusual Local Patterns for Time Series -- this paper is coining the term "semantic discord" but it's a completely different thing; their baseline definition of "discord" has to do with anomalies in time-series data, and a "semantic discord" is a time-series data anomaly which has been located by evaluating local context instead of just the overall series. (They appear to name it 'semantic' because of the idea that semantics are related to context.)
• meh: Linguistics meets economics: Dealing with semantic variation This is the most promising, but still insufficient. It uses the word discord only once: As a leading illustrative example, we consider semantic discord in the entrepreneurial finance world. The associated frictions have real and non-negligible costs. This bolsters our notion that we have identified a relevant and applicable constraining force on semantic change (68). The overall focus of the paper is on semantic change. Along the way there is substantial discussion of what they term "semantic variation", i.e., instances where people understand the same word differently. The situations that relate to our semantic discord article are consistently referred to as "miscommunications". As a linguistics paper it has many opportunities to define and discuss the concept of "semantic discord" and does not do so.

• I did some additional searching and I think "semantic variation" is a Thing in linguistics, but it's not semantic discord.

• hmm...yikes!! Theory versus practice in annealing-based quantum computing I got very excited by this: A technical term that has multiple meanings is semantically loaded. Philosophers use the term semantic discord to refer to a situation where a dispute about some concept arises not from disagreement about the concept, but from disagreement about the meanings of the words used to describe the concept: that is, semantically loaded language leads to semantic discord. That sounds tasty. However, I think they actually got this idea from our Wikipedia article. These computer scientists cite no sources for this claim, and searching "semantic discord" + "philosophy" just brings up a bunch of people talking about the Wikipedia article. (This asklinguistics reddit thread seems particularly damning. (They find the term "semantic dissonance" but that is the same concept as the "semantic uncertainty" from the GIS textbook, it's not at all this article's concept.))

Having looked at all the above sources and many others which didn't warrant more than a skim, I can find no grounds to have an article on "semantic discord," and no appropriate options for renaming. I think deletion is called for. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 08:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete (I'm the nominator), but I think it would best be done as a redirect to Discord (disambiguation) or Dispute (or alternatively Semantic argument). --//Replayful (talk | contribs) 09:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC) (I'm striking this duplicate vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)) [reply]
  • FYI Nominators don't get an additional boldtext delete !vote (it's implied in the nomination). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 10:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you for the clarification. I guess I was just blindly following dawiki practices or mixing it up with other discussions. I hope I haven't messed up anything now. But a little weird if the "participants" count at e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics/Article alerts is not supposed to include the nominator as a participant. //Replayful (talk | contribs) 11:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What the article alerts bot decides is important for the sake of recruiting more editors isn't considered when a discussion is closed by an admin. At that stage, the nomination statement is understood to be a delete vote (or !vote) — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 11:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as arguments are divided between Keep, Delete and now Redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Of the proposed redirects, I think semantic argument is the most plausibly useful. I prefer deletion but wouldn't object to a redirect to semantic argument. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to semantic argument, which appears to be the path of least resistance. Bearian (talk) 02:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. This discussion probably would have had a different closure a week ago but time added by relisting caused circumstances, and sources, to change. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Love, Sitara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Unreleased Indian film. Nothing notable about the production, so it does not meet WP:NFF. I couldn't any sources that give WP:SIGCOV so WP:GNG is also not met. The only sources I could find only give routine coverage based on plot summaries, press releases, quotes from people involved in the film and social media posts. John B123 (talk) 20:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: announced release in 12 days, and probably coverage coming with it. So this is either too early (cannot judge yet) or too late (too close to release's date). There is no need to delete or draftify for such a short period of time (which, by the time this discussion is over will be either reduced to 5 days or less than zero, if it is Relisted). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:40, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Film is as yet unreleased. Therefore a black-and-white case of not satisfying WP:NFF: Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines. Film has not yet been released, the production itself is not notable. QED. Article could have remained in draft space... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Except, given existing coverage about production (cast (including notable actors, as I am sure you know), plot, filming, location, production history etc), it is far from proved that production istelf was not notable, very far.... so basically, no, nothing is demonstrated at all. And this is thus far from being a ”b/w” case. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  None of that has received significant coverage, that would satisfy the notability guidelines, though? It's all just entirely routine press releases - film announced, these people have been cast, production has begun... Anyway, time for others to have their say. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 12:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Instead of deleting this article, extend this discussion till the 27th and if reviews show up, then keep it. DareshMohan (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Delete !voters should consider changing their !votes to draftify. I don't think deletion is the correct decision for a film that is about to be released and will likely be notable after its release. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah it's very clearly not the best course of action to delete the article, so I hope the closer does not do so. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Novem Linguae and Hey man im josh: Normally I'd agree with you, but in this case the creator is convinced that the article, as is, easily meets WP:NFF and WP:GNG, will not discuss notability with other editors and has already reverted a draftification. I can see the article being moved back to mainspace without any significant changes almost immediately if draftify is the outcome. --John B123 (talk) 19:29, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If there are insufficient keep !votes, perhaps the closer can close this as "The result was draftify, and the article is not to be moved back to mainspace until the movie is released in theatres." –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Novem Linguae: A movie being released doesn't make it notable. It still needs to meet GNG or the provisions of WP:NFO, the most usual one being The film is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics. I would suggest adding and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics to the end of your proposed closing. --John B123 (talk) 19:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @John B123: None of that sounds like a good reason to delete the article instead of moving to draft space. WP:DRAFTOBJECT exists and the creator was pushed by myself and another admin to revert a draftification if they truly believed it to be inappropriate. An AfD result changes things, it makes it so that the reasons that the AfD was closed as draftify need to be addressed before moving an article to main space. Let's not try to solve a theoretical future move war by deleting content that could prove useful in the coming months, request page protection or make a report in that case if necessary. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Hey man im josh: I agree draftspace is the best place for this article until if/when it meets the notability requirements. Adding move protection to a draftify outcome would go a long way to ensuring it stayed there until moving to mainspace was appropriate. John B123 (talk) 20:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'd much rather we wait until such protection is actually necessary. At this point in time, we have no reason believe anyone won't respect the close. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  We kinda do, though. Draftifying was the correct course of action, and I would have been happy for it to be worked on there and moved to mainspace, post release, if it satisfied WP:NFILM and WP:SIGCOV, but instead the draft was moved straight back to mainspace without any improvements. Mushy Yank doesn't accept what WP:NFF says, nor does C1K98V, who below is saying "improvement shall take place in the mainspace." Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:56, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Mushy Yank doesn't accept what WP:NFF says, nor does C1K98V is both inappropriate and not true. AS I'VE CLEARLY explained, I think it does MEET NFF, and SO DOES C1K98V, that is very very clearly stated in their !vote; so please refrain from making this kind of fallacious comments. You have your opinion, ours differ from yours, obviously. You may be right and us, wrong, but even if that was the case, that does not allow you to resort to personal attacks to make your point. Or just go to ANI and report us. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The article satisfies both WP:GNG and WP:NFF. The film was announced and filmed during the COVID-19 period. The filming was also delayed/halted due to the pandemic. There is a specific category to list down impacted films. So I'm opposed to deletion, dratify and redirect the article. The changes and improvement shall take place in the mainspace itself. Thanks C1K98V ^{(💬 ✒️ 📂)} 02:18, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @C1K98V: What makes the film's production notable in your view? Which sources give WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG? --John B123 (talk) 07:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Comment. The page in the current stage is as good as delete with no significant coverage and usually films before release and post-production do get significant coverage but not this one. I would like to give my final vote once the film is released on 27 September (3 more days to go) and see how much significant coverage with reviews there is and then decide. RangersRus (talk) 13:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This article has significantly changed since its AfD nomination. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of reviews are now published. Making the nomination moot in my view. Inviting the nominator to withdraw.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - The film has now been released so WP:NFF is no longer relevant and the notability guidelines are now WP:NFILM. A short review from Firstpost[1] and a longer review from the The Times of India[2] have been added to the article. I would note that the TOI review was not written by TOI staff but by their news agency TNN. The reliability of both publications has been questioned on multiple occasions and the TOI is known to promote films for payment.[3]. --John B123 (talk) 05:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Have another look please (added yet another two 3 four reviews and there are more). I am inviting you, again, to withdraw this nomination. Any film with less than half of this would be speedy-kept. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Note about your comment on the review in the TOI: "by their news agency TNN", no, not exactly: by a staff member of their news agency, as the article is signed (see https://in.linkedin.com/in/sreeparna-sengupta-31136133 if you want to check).... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  And I had added THREE reviews in the first place, not 2, so that there are now SEVEN full-length reviews on the page, feel free’to add more.....:D -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It's not the number of reviews that's important but the quality of the reviews. Per WP:NFILM, are at least two of the reviews full-length reviews by nationally known critics?

  And I had added THREE reviews in the first place Two of them were the same review which I combined in this edit. --John B123 (talk) 19:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for fixing the THIRD review, which you had managed to identify as such apparently. As for the rest, GNG is met and your apparent refusal to withdraw and admit the film is notable is slightly disappointing and even a bit concerning, to be perfectly honest with you. I will assume good faith, though, but a film that has so many reviews is widely considered notable on Wikipedia. This will be kept anyhow. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What's concerning is your refusal to acknowledge the reality of WP:NFF - don't create an article until a film has been released, unless the production itself (not the production company!) is itself notable. This will be kept anyhow. Grats? You know it's not a contest, right? We're building an encyclopedia, and that should be done according to the policies and guidelines. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I have already told you to report me to ANI if you think I wilfully don't respect any guideline; a mere fallacious statement here, repeated in yet another inappropriate comment. Lastly, I will only note that you didn't change your !vote and will stop replying to you at all. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You can't say you follow guidelines when you clearly ignore a black and white guideline like WP:NFF - (then) unreleased films don't get articles. Obviously I'm not going to report you to AN/I for that, though. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 19:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Reviews now in the article are clearly more than enough for GNG. There are also reviews here, here, here, here, here and here. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 14:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Good amount of reviews cited, like The Hindu, Hindustan Times, and NDTV. Pass WP:NFILM. GrabUp - Talk 14:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Yes 100% Good amount of reviews cited, like The Hindu, Hindustan Times, and NDTV. Pass Ustadeditor2011 (talk) 15:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The above editor, Ustadeditor2011 removed the AfD notice and added the sentence Upon release, it recieved universally positive reviews. to the lede, using an existing 2 out of 5 stars review to back that, and adding a review that reads in summary it appears as the screenplay had writer’s block. Filled with clichés and predictability, the film lacks in performance and even more in emotional value. "Cancel it," as Anjali says. So their objectivity may not be 100%. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. I think the participants have gone to great lengths to review this article and its sourcing, both in the article and that brought into the discussion and I see a consensus to Delete. This is not a conspiracy here. Every day, around 100 articles are nominated for similar AFD discussions and, to be honest, most of them do not have this level of participation so I think this is a solid consensus. Doing "opposition research" on other editors will never cause anyone to switch to agreeing with you and is a form of casting aspersions. This discussion is about editors and what else they might have done but about this article and whether notability is demonstrated through good, reliable sources. I think the participants really gave the sourcs the benefit of the doubt but they just were not enough. This doesn't mean that there will never be an article on this subject, it's just that there won't be one right now. I recommend starting the next one in Draft space and relying of the judgment of the AFC reviewers who, though they might be critical, are trying to save draft creators the pain of having their articles nominated for one of these AFD discussions. Good luck on your next creation efforts. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Iwu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Acting non notable films isn't part of the guideline and statements of words including interviews, aren't part of WP:SIGCOV, hence my retainable for deletion. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: The page meets Wikipedia standard and if there be any need for improvement, then it can be stated or worked on rather than nominating for outright deletion. I appreciate the effort to keep our Wikipedia clean.

  Dreamlightwriters (talk) 06:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete : All I just see here are interviews mhen.--Gabriel (……?) 19:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Did you open the reference links? cause the articles here are not interviews. Kindly take time to open the links and go through the articles to verify your opinion on this. Thanks. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 05:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I have gone through the links and they still can't change my thought on the reason why I suggested a delete. I will also advise as a new editor you have to avoid Wikipedia Sockpuppetry with the aim to save an article because it violates the policy. Gabriel (……?) 02:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Sources present does not meet the general notability criteria. The sources are laughable to say the least. Best, Reading of Beans 08:54, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please kindly go through the sources to verify your comment, just looking through the titles are not enough to make claims on it. Thanks. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I read them, word for word. Insuring a buttocks does not contribute to notability in this context. Best, reading beans 09:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Just yet another article backed up by disappointing pieces from Vanguard. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Can you be more explicit about your comment and claim, thanks. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 05:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your feedback, I beg to disagree, not sure what you mean by acting non notable films, because from the filmography you should be able to tell notable films the subject acted in, some can be found on IMDb, she has acted alongside other veterans in the Nigerian film industries which you can see in the filmography. Also that the references added are interviews are false, kindly take time to open the links and read through them to verify your claim.

The subject, has been actively acting for 16 years, with notable movies, only veterans in the Nollywood industry would speak on an issue and it will be news, random actors don't have such privileges. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 05:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: The page meets Wikipedia standard and if there be any need for improvement, then it can be stated or worked on rather than nominating for outright deletion. I appreciate the effort to keep our Wikipedia clean. Dreamlightwriters (talk) 06:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:57, 21 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]
• Keep: [4], [5], [6],[7] and [8] are reliable that can illustrate notability criteria as such it pass GNG

  102.91.72.40 (talk) 09:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC) — 102.91.72.40 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: I am voting to keep because i did not see reasons why the page should be deleted and the points raised here are not cogent enough to warrant a delete. Unfortunately, i had to go through articles created by those calling for delete and i did find worst pages that should not find its space here, some with one reference source and i wonder why same persons should be interested in having a more better page deleted than the ones they created. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.211.59.71 (talk) 19:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC) — 197.211.59.71 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. While I'm suspicious of our new opinions offered by IP editors, they did supply some more sources and it would be helpful if the nominator or a participant reviewed. I'm not optimistic but you never know.
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I have gone through the five links. As a Nigerian, those links are reliable but they still didn't solve the issue why the nominator nominated the article per the reason. As stated "interviews, aren't part of WP:SIGCOV". And the content on the news were looking like close connection to the subject as seeing most of the journalist just talking of how she got started and not an event that happened which made her known to the public. Gabriel (……?) 02:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Gabriel for taking time to go through the five links, in total there are eleven reliable links in the page and only one of them has to do with an interview. Not all notable persons especially in the entertainment industry has lots of scandals enough to put them always in the news, there are some who just get their works done and earn their flowers in the industry. There are many Actors and Actresses whose works still speaks but there are no significant coverage of them and that is why you still don't find them on Wikipedia, that still does not mean they are not notable, the industry still can not do without them or their inputs on issues that affects the industry. You can as well go through the remaining six links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamlightwriters (talk • contribs) 20:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well understood your point and you are right but this is Wikipedia and it has its own rules and regulations. All because they are famous doesn’t warrant a call for an article here on Wikipedia. If the entertainment industry can’t do without them that has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Except it passes the WP:GNG. Besides I’m a big fan of Nollywood movies so I haven’t even come across such actress Judith Iwu to even vouch that she’s famous. I know a lot of people like Chinedu Ikedieze, Osita Iheme and many more. This people being mentioned has appeared on a lot of notable movies and won a lot of notable awards. What has this actress who has been nominated for an AFD acquired to proof that she’s notable such as notable movies, notable awards aside the news paper just talking about her biography only which still doesn’t meet the significance coverage from independent source and not just reliable. If you can provide I believe @SafariScribe and other editors will have a rethink. Gabriel (……?) 23:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: This now makes me believe that this is a paid work especially when the editor who wants this article to remain, WP:BLUDGEONS the AFD process. After this was declined at AFC, the same editor moved the draft to article space. This is to show you that this work is a paid one, and I was thinking if the payer knows that they are not yet notable before employing or seeking someone to create a Wikipedia page. Above is an observation, which is totally off from accusations. The first source is without doubt independent of the subject, well covered, and from a reliable source, however, the tone of the writing shows that it's a paid publication. Same applies to the second source. The third is an WP:INTERVIEW, and interviews doesn't show notability. These sources, [9] and [10] aren't available but following the link's name, they're lso interviews. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Your accusation that this is a paid work because I responded to comments demanding explanation is wrong and uncivil, Wikipedia allows everyone a chance to express their views reasonably and I do not think I forced mine in anyway. I saw that the sources tagged not available, had dead links which have been corrected and can be accessed now. Out of the eleven sources added, only one is an WP:INTERVIEW Dreamlightwriters (talk) 20:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You’re wrong. See the source analysis below. Best, reading beans 09:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree subject needs to be improved especially as regards neutrality and weavil words needs to be removed, however they are notable enough to stand Tesleemah Talk 07:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Tesleemah, I will advise you take a break on discussing in an AFD if possible a long break and use the time to understand Wikipedia more. They are other things you can do here such as helping other articles to improve in terms of adding sources. Your statement towards AFD are now giving me the impression of going through all your articles to check if they are good enough as per WP:GNG but you might see that as a personal attack which is not. @Timtrent can also have this as an evidence for future use as I can see he has also enlightened you on some interesting things you need to know. Gabriel (……?) 18:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: the references do not convince me that Iwu passes WP:NACTOR, nr WP:BIO. Two are 404 errors, one definitely is significant coverage, but the remainder are what Iwu said (interviews) or generic gossip column material. These do not demonstrate nor verify notability. This feels like careless sourcing, likely WP:BACKWARDS. Iwu has potential, but it is probably WP:TOOSOON in her career. At present the fact that her buttocks are insured does not put her on a par with Betty Grable. I will consider my formal opinion some more but the closing admin may choose to consider the very brief source analysis if I have not !voted by the time this closes 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft Delete without prejudice to recreation, even immediate re-creation, unless WP:HEY has improved the referencing and the rather idiosyncratic phraseology during the remaining time in this discussion. I've tagged a few areas for peacockery and weasel words. The magazine tone is easy enough to remove, but it does need a rewrite to become tightly written dull-but-worthy prose. The opinion to Soft Delete allows the application of WP:TNT. If WP:HEY has been deployed please notify me and I will consider this again 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timtrent, Soft Deletion is like a PROD, it's only for uncontroversial deletions. A Soft Deletion closure is not an option if there are any arguments to Keep in the discussion or if the article has been PROD'd or taken to AFD before. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz What a pity. Ah well. Then any replacement will have to be substantially different from any version deleted by AfD 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The influx of IPs gives an impression of meat/sock/UPE as opined by SafariScribe. I’ve gone thru the sources, one after the other. To aid the community, below is a source analysis.

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Reading Beans
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://newtelegraphng.com/hardship-lets-show-love-to-one-another-judith-iwu/	Publication of a reaction from her.	per WP:NGRS	Advice to colleagues.	✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/09/judith-iwu-a-shining-star-in-nollywood/		~ Marginal reliable per WP:NGRS		✘ No
https://independent.ng/judith-iwu-advocates-unity-respect-in-nollywood/	In an interview with Daily Independent reporter, Iwu…	The source is a major newspaper	~ The article does not discuss the subject directly and in details	✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/05/judith-iwu-at-40-a-tale-of-triumph-and-talent/	see #2	~ see #2	The article discusses the subject directly	✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2023/06/judith-iwu-award-winning-actress-and-inspirational-role-model/	ditto	~ ditto	The article discusses the subject directly	✘ No
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2024/04/nollywood-deaths-actors-guild-govt-have-huge-role-to-play-judith-iwu/	ditto	~ ditto		✘ No
https://sunnewsonline.com/getting-married-early-my-worst-mistake-judith-iwu-actress/		per WP:NGRS		✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

• Comment I noticed two links from the initial eleven sources went dead, but it has since been corrected and are live, I also added a new source which was not originally included. @Reading of Beans you only added seven sources out of twelve and your analysis are wrong judging from your use of sources in articles you personally created.

I am sorry to say, but this all seem to me like a personal coordinated attempt to get the page deleted, I have never confronted any of the participants in anyway on Wikipedia, not sure if Safari Scribe is offended that the page was improved and made live. From the comments and fierce anger felt in every comment by all calling for delete apart from Timtrent and Liz it seems like there is a background conversation going on. I am not sure the nominator and participants carefully went through or reviewed the page and all sources, also not sure they are in best position to give verdict on this because they are found wanting in their works, for example, Vanderwaalforces who questioned Vanguard article here, created this page Osaigbovo Iyoha in June, 2024 with just three references, and one from the same Vanguard Most pages he created had five or less references, so I wonder why such fellow should find anything odd with this. Reading of Beans who said the sources are laughable should not speak on this, he created a page Adeola Ajayi adding just one reference for someone whose notability only started last month after being appointed for duty, yet he thinks a movie veteran with 16 years active engagement is not notable, another of his page Lucky Imasuen has just two references with one of them having only a mention of the name with no event or acts atributed to him, there are many more. Same for Gabriel who seem to be pouring out his personal rage here for getting most of his articles rejected and the Nominator who has several articles created with worst sources that are not reliable in the first place. I won't go into details about other issues I am noticing, but let each remove the log in their eyes before looking for a speck in another's eye.

@Timtrent and Liz Thank you for your inputs, It might interest you to know that all those pushing for this article to be deleted are Nigerians just like the subject, if there are no personal grudges, why are they not open to improve this rather than this show here, I have stumbled into articles with issues here and all i did was correct or improve where necessary. I believe we are all here to work in good faith and not create virtual enemies. I read the comments made by Gabriel to Tesleemah and I was shocked until i saw that he only brought leftover rage towards her from another page and issues to this place, on more findings, I saw that Tesleemah was the only Nigerian who was in Poland for the Wikimania event last month where she met Wikipedia founder and others, she's also the only Nigerian Candidate for Wikimedia foundation board of trustees. Not sure that is enough reason to talk down on her that way. Sorry, this seem like an outburst but i am deeply worried when i see acts usually done in bad faith in places where good causes are pursued. EOD. Once again, sorry if my words are too many and sound inappropriate but it is in good faith with much concern for what i see going on. Lastly, to clear the issue of being paid to edit, this account was created as part of an initiative training young people on various skills and one of the things they learnt was Wikipedia editing, the username Dreamlightwriters was used in good faith and from what Timtrent posted in the talk page, I came to realize that Wikipedia generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation, this I will respond to and if there is need to change name will be done. I can provide necessary proofs to support this if it gets to that. A user paid to post would have created several other articles since it is business for such. I stand in good faith and hope issues like this won't keep discouraging editors especially new editors as it is already for me and some others. Thank you all, I rest my case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamlightwriters (talk • contribs) 12:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stay calm Dream light. Nobody is after you. You definitely getting everything all wrong. This is for the best of Wikipedia. If you feel an article doesn’t qualify you can as well nominate them that is if you are now professional about the AFD. I definitely red your write up but that doesn’t call for an argument here. Definitely won’t lie to you this article does not meet WP:GNG and it doesn’t matter if my article has been declined in the past. I never submitted them with the intention they should be accepted by force. I submitted to pick opinions to work on and if Tesleemah has met the founder of Wikipedia before of which I haven’t seen a proof. That is on her own pocket. It has nothing to do with respect. As Wikipedia policy never says respect anyone who has met its founder. If you had submitted this article for review you won’t be undergoing this. But you choose to move it by yourself to the mains pace after it was declined. Gabriel (……?) 17:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dreamlightwriters, the answer to you first paragraph, please, see WP:NPOL. You are free to nominate Adeola Ajayi for deletion if you in doubt of its notability.

For your second paragraph, not everyone is okay with revealing their identity to the public. So, going to Poland and its whatnots does not confer any sort of authority and experience. I also have friends running in the BoT :). If Jimmy Wales creates an article that I doubts its notability, I would definitely nominate it for deletion. So, instead of thinking that you’re being ganged up against, learn from the comments above and improve. If you have any questions, our talk pages are always available. Best, reading beans 03:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 02:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swaroop Puranik (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Doesn't meet WP:NDIRECTOR or WP:FILMMAKER. Awarded or recognised by the governor doesn't highly show any impact tones career and fails WP:ANYBIO. While we expect to see notable films he directed, there appears bit promotional and likely COI creation.

Citing unreliable sources (WP:REFBOMB for a non notable film, Journey of a Queen, shows no WP:SIGCOV for his major work, hence doesn't meet WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have removed the promotional content from this article now its clear Dgtrox (talk) 19:49, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Appears to be resume and WP:PROMO based page. Fails notability. The entrepreneur and his achievements are not notable that is significant, interesting, or unusual enough to be worthy of notice. RangersRus (talk) 15:24, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. I'm just seeing paid coverage here, or articles that aren't really about him in any way. -- asilvering (talk) 02:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fitzhugh Lee (disambiguation) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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WP:TWODABS applies. The only legit entries are the general and the vice admiral. Middle names, Fitz Lee (Medal of Honor) and Lee Fitzhugh don't count. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep (just) There are a lot of partial matches, and the see also section may be WP:USEFUL to readers, as well as the 3 entries that are fully valid as this appears to be a dab for Fitzes and Fitzhughes. Not the most important page, but potentially helpful to readers, and nothing to be gained by deletion. Boleyn (talk) 12:43, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and possibly add the anthroponymy project to the talk page. Lightburst (talk) 00:46, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. There are only two entries here (there's no evidence Fitz Lee (Medal of Honor) was "Fitzhugh"), so WP:TWODABS applies and this page could and should be deleted. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shwan Attoof (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Doesn't meet WP:ACTOR, as there were few or no sources showing notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:25, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shwan is well known film actor/director in Kurdistan/Iraq, the article could be stay. I added serval new references. Kushared (talk) 06:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which references? Those aren't reliable per WP:RS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:31, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 Comment: The article has changed, with additional references that doesn't meet WP:RS. PUKmedia is unreliable as well as Kurdistanin, which is a blog. The Rudaw source doesn't show anything if not 'not found' (a bare link). The golden globes citation is a narration of a film with zero reference to the director or casts. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to AVN Award for Female Performer of the Year#2010s. as a viable ATD. Sourcing is insufficient for a BLP and the keeps are not grounded in policy. Star Mississippi 01:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anikka Albrite (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails GNG and ENT. Not opposed to a redirect to the AVM performer of the year but otherwise there is not enough independent reliably sourced information to build a proper article. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:16, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete: Tiny amount of coverage [11], basically an interview and [12]. Just not enough coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 22:55, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to AVN Award for Female Performer of the Year#2010s (seems indeed totally warranted): ATD suggested by the nominator (AVN, not AVM, btw). Absolutely opposed to deletion of this BLP. (I would also support a Keep) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:30, 8 September 2024 (UTC) Changing to Keep in light of the mainstream sources presented.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep: consistently featured in the list of the top female stars of the industry, as reported by mainstream media outlets in the following years: 2013[13], 2014[14], 2015[15], 2016[16]. Also part of the first married couple to win AVN male and female performers of the year award simultaneously in 2015 [17]. Rim sim (talk) 17:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  None of this is a policy basis for the article. Can you link to actual sources Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:45, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Links updated Rim sim (talk) 13:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: the subject is the mainstay of an article[18] on the full-fledged animated Virtual reality scannings, a still nascent tech that can be used to make human avatars and keep them immortal in the virtual world. Rim sim (talk) 06:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  New York Post is a tabloid and not a reliable source. So this is irrelevant. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Per WP:RSPSS, NYP is reliable source for entertainment related news. Rim sim (talk) 13:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep : The fact she has won a lot of notable awards and reliable source to that shows notability.--Gabriel (……?) 18:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment: she's covered under the list of 'Screen Actors' of Czech-American ancestry with a biographical passage about her life in the book Encyclopedia of Bohemian and Czech-American Biography - Volume 2 [19]. She's also quoted in the book Bodies of Work: The Labour of Sex in the Digital Age[20], and is mentioned in the book The Pornography Industry: What Everyone Needs to Know[21]. The article needs some improvement and can be kept as the subject is notable enough. Rim sim (talk) 07:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Note: the encyclopedia was published by a self-publishing house, the other two books were by major publishing houses. Rim sim (talk) 11:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavel Abramov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The subject does not have enough news coverage. Mysecretgarden (talk) 23:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - he won a bronze medal in the Olympics, and that’s verified. Maybe I’m mistaken, but isn’t that automatically notable? Bearian (talk) 18:18, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not exactly. It does meet WP:NOLY, but that only says sigcov is 'likely to exist'. No modern Olympic medalist has ever been deleted, however. From a glance, it looks near-certain that this athlete has sigcov – we just have to find it... BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, does not need news coverage now, only from when he was active. Geschichte (talk) 16:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, there is plenty of coverage in non-English sources. Try searching "Paweł Abramow" for Polish sources or "Павел Абрамов" for Russian. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raid of Carpetania (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not Notable to remain as an Article, It should be redirected. Untamed1910 (talk) 22:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect. Not Notable, No Reliable Sources Exists, it needs to be redirected Untamed1910 (talk) 22:38, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Untamed1910, as stated, your nomination statement is considered your "vote", you don't get to make a second. If you want to change your nomination statement, go ahead strike the portion you no longer are arguing for and add this statement. Just a comment, to change an article to a Redirect, you didn't need to bring it to AFD and you also haven't specified a Redirect target article. So, this opinion is likely to go nowhere. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Reliable sources DO exist about this event, see: [22][23][24][25]

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• Keep Article could use some improvement, but appears notable. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Certainly appears to be notable; and it looks too detailed to be merged into the war of which it was a part. There should probably be more citations to both ancient and modern sources, but that can be addressed through ordinary editing. P Aculeius (talk) 13:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 11:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BANDMEMBER, notability is solely inherited by being a member of Bring Me the Horizon ---FMSky (talk) 16:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Bring Me the Horizon, and possibly add protection to prevent that redirect from being reverted, as has happened several times already. The edit comments seen on the History page show that some editors insist that he has achievements outside of the band, but that is false. The current article is dependent on trivia about his gear and non-notable personal matters, and the fact that he made the top ten in a magazine's list of best drummers can be mentioned at the band's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• keep as per rockmuscifanatic20… that was an incredibly convincing argument that the article passes notability criteria. The broken hand articles especially address him as an individual, rather than a band, since he broke his hand, not his band members. Absurdum4242 (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The user who's previously deleted the article (without going through this process) cited WP:BANDMEMBER, which says: "Members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability."

Individual notability through WP:MUSICBIO states that musicians are notable if: · Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.

The content of Nicholls' article directed about him specifically are sourced to Music Radar, Drum!, Alternative Press, Noisecreep, NME and the BBC.

· Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.

Through the band he is apart of contributes to, they have had multiple number-one albums in their home country, as well as eight different UK Top 40 Hits.

· Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.

Through his band that he contributes to, has multiple platinum-selling singles and albums in their home country alone, as well as Gold records in the United States as certified by the RIAA.

· Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country.

Alternative Press and Noisecreep reported about his broken hand that he sustained while touring.

· Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)

Four of the albums he has worked on with his band have been on major labels such as RCA and Sony Music.

· Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.

Nicholls is in a band with Oli Sykes, Jordan Fish and Lee Malia who are all prominent musicians who display their independent notability, through other collaborations, producing other works and music scoring for films.

· Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

Nicholls is a prominent drummer in his genre who is well-known and has been featured on MusicRadar's list of as one of the best drummers in rock music, making him a good representation as a drummer in rock music.

· Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. Note that this requires the person or band to have been the direct recipient of a nomination in their own name, and is not passed by playing as a session musician on an album whose award citation was not specifically for that person's own contributions.

He has been nominated for several Grammy's and BRIT awards, winning a BRIT award with his band for best alternative act this year.

· Has won first, second, or third place in a major music competition.

Nicholls has never been in a music competition, rendering this one of the only guidelines for independent notability he won't meet.

· Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, such as a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album.

He has performed on Channel 4's (UK Broadcasting Network) Sunday Brunch, a television show, with his band.[26]

· Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.

His music has been persistently played on BBC Radio One and Kerrang! Radio for well over a decade now.

· Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network.

Nicholls appeared on BBC Breakfast in October 2021, a segment he was apart of in the studio collaborating with the BBC for Children in Need.

Out of all of the independent notability guidelines, there is only ONE he fails to comply to. At the top of the section, it's said that: Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria. He follows not only one, but ELEVEN of the twelve listed criteria, so therefore the article should be kept. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 17:07, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He does have a few specific articles in drumming-oriented publications, but almost every accomplishment listed above was by the band, not him (or any of the other members, for that matter). ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he has achieved a lot with his band. However, let's not pretend that he isn't apart of the band. His achievements lie with the band, and the guidelines apply for not only an ensemble, but musicians in general too. That individual member still shares the same accomplishments as the band. Again, to highlight the first line of the guidelines at the top of the section: "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria." Again, on an individual level, Matt Nicholls applies to ELEVEN out of the TWELVE applicable guidelines, not just one of them, regardless on whether they are with his band or not. This is like arguing that if Lars Ulrich isn't a notable drummer because all of his accomplishments are through Metallica and not his own, he just shares his achievements with other members. To add to this, Nicholls also qualifies for the composer's list as he contributes to songwriting: WP:COMPOSER "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." He is credited as a songwriter to two of Bring Me The Horizon's biggest hits such as "Throne" and "Drown". Ulrich has also co-written some of Metallica's biggest hits. Do you see what I'm getting at? This article is a must KEEP. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 00:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Shows individual notability per above. Seacactus 13 (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, voted *keep above the line somehow, instead of down here, and not sure how to delete / change that vote. Anyway, as per Rockmusicfanatic20, it seems obvious he clears the notability guidelines, and in particular the articles on his broken hand treat him as an individual, since it’s him breaking his hand, not his band members. Absurdum4242 (talk) 14:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge & Redirect to Bring Me the Horizon. Agreed with doomsdayer520. The evidence does appear very much to point towards the subject being very much notable but in the context of the band. Any information not in the band article, such as the drumming listing, should be merged. ResonantDis_tortion 19:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:MUSICBIO, meets point one and six at the very least. There are multiple sources that are independent of the individual, breaking down his playing style/technique and his equipment: [27], [28], [29], as well as an outside appearance from the band, [30]. Also a source about his early life [31]. As for point six, Oli Sykes, Jordan Fish and Lee Malia all have individual articles showing independent notability, as Rockmusicfanatic20 already mentioned. Shout4Serenity (talk) 22:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Leaning keep. I am not persuaded by the argument that everything that makes the subject notable is in connection with their being in the band. Examined in a vacuum, I do think the cited sources point to notability of the subject as a performer. BD2412 T 01:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Sandstein 19:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sidi Mara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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There doesn't seem to be significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. toweli (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Agree if no changes to the article are made to the article, the deletion is proper. Orhov (talk) 21:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete — Sadko (words are wind) 13:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. One source on the page and that too with Page not found error. No other source. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 13:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Sandstein 19:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish exonyms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. What's the use of an endless list of examples of the obvious fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography? —Tamfang (talk) 05:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. WP:NOTDICTIONARY. There are also some serious quality issues where outdated or rare names are presented as valid.Sjö (talk) 10:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTDICTIONARY and WP:LIST. I’m confused why it’s here. If there are scholarly articles about how exonyms are formed in the Swedish language, then please produce them. Bearian (talk) 18:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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notability; apparent self-promotion LoveGermanLit (talk) 18:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. I can't see adequate sources here. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]
• Delete. Not sufficient on WP:PROF, WP:AUTHOR, or WP:GNG. I don't know any film-specific guidelines well enough, but I can't imagine screenwriter for an art-house film that got only 6 credit reviews (none top prestige) would suffice there. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 23:38, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Subject is notable and worthy for expansion Tesleemah Talk 07:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ^Complex/_Rational 17:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pasta all'Ortolana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Appears to be a non-notable dish. Sources were only to recipes and a single very short discussion. Versions in other language wikis are similarly unsourced or poorly sourced, and a google search in English pulls up nothing but recipes. No claim to notability in text. A 2021 reference book on Italian food^[1] doesn't mention the dish. Valereee (talk) 17:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Not a notable dish - basically anything you can mix with cooked pasta is a pasta dish, and this one doesn't seem to have a particular historical or cultural story. I, too, only found recipes under this name. Lamona (talk) 02:57, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• • @Lamona: it's a typical Italian pasta dish, but not encyclopaedic; for example, the it.wiki article is only a stub (https://it.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Pasta_all%27ortolana).
    A curiosity: pasta primavera is a dish similar to pasta all'ortolana, from which it may have taken inspiration.
  • I too support the deletion of the page. JacktheBrown (talk) 21:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not a notable pasta dish. JacktheBrown (talk) 21:50, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Ineligible for soft deletion, but no one is arguing for retention or providing any input. As a PROD like close, this can be requested for restoration, but there's no point in another relist. Star Mississippi 14:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine of Bosnia, Grand Princess of Hum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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An article ostensibly about a princess but in reality entirely about her husband and brother. The dates and places of birth and death are pure poppycock: literally nothing is known about her. No historian ever has put together two sentences about her. WP:GNG failed. Surtsicna (talk) 18:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete but on grounds different from the nominated ones. Before the 18th Century, rarely was a woman ever named in sources without naming her male relatives. There’s only one source, and that is tantamount to original research, which is my biggest problem. Bearian (talk) 21:36, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The argument is not that her male relatives should not be mentioned. It is that the article should not be entirely about them. There is nothing to say about her. Surtsicna (talk) 21:52, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Pierce (CEO) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Not notable enough to warrant its own article, and there is pretty much nothing more to add about the person. The person and the reference in this article is already mentioned in the history section of Atari SA and that's all we need. Sceeegt (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete seems like only routine sources exist. The disambiguator makes it pretty useless as a redirect. -1ctinus📝🗨 23:43, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. However, this does not preclude a merge or rename. Consensus is not going to develop to delete the material, therefore a relist is not needed. Star Mississippi 14:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gąsawa massacre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The article only describes the motives for the massacre and nothing more, the course of the crime is also lacking, in addition, most things (sources) in the article have a trivial mention of the subject in one sentence, which is incompatible with WP:SIGCOV Polski Piast from Poland (talk) 16:24, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, I could not find here this footnote Labuda, Gerard (1995). The death of Leszek the White (1227). Historical Annals. 61: 7-33. Gerard Labuda describing the views of Józef Uminski. If somewhere you Marek still has about this study then it's cool, but if not, well, we have problems. I hope that we will be able to keep the article after all. Polski Piast from Poland (talk) 16:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete or Merge with Leszek the White There do not seem to be adequate sources for an article. It's already covered in Leszek the White#Assassination. Maybe only one or two sources refer to it as a massacre, since massacres usually result in more than one death. TFD (talk) 20:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are adequate sources - six of them with one or two specifically dedicated to this event. Whether or not it should be under “massacre” or something else is a naming question, not a reason for deletion. Volunteer Marek 16:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also probably a good idea to read the talk page first before !voting [32] or the relevant DYK discussion. Naming issue was discussed. More than one person was killed though most sources focus on the most important one - the Duke. Volunteer Marek 17:04, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep One would think that the assassination/murder of the ruler of Poland would be notable. YMMV I guess. There’s six reliable source in the article with one or two of them specifically dedicated to this event. This is also a very well known event in Polish historiography. The text in Leszek the White article is different (and frankly with worse sourcing). This article was featured at DYK and no one had a problem with either notability or any other issues then. Now it’s getting nominated for deletion by some brand new account with just a few edits who for some unknown reason calls me out by name. Yup. Volunteer Marek 16:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep and possibly rename. The term (in Polish) seems to have been coined in Semkowicz, W. "Zbrodnia gąsawska." Ateneum 43 (1886): 328-348., who wrote a dedicated article about it in pl:Ateneum (czasopismo), so it is a reliable, if dated, piece of SIGCOV. Since then this has been mentioned here or there, although I don't think it got much more coverage under that name, but the assassination/death of Leszek Biały did, under more generic names. See for example another, a bit more modern, article about this: Umiński, Józef. "Śmierć Leszka Białego." Nasza Przeszłość 2 (1947): 3-36 and more modern, but I think not digitized, Labuda, Gerard. "Śmierć Leszka Białego (1227)." Roczniki Historyczne 61 (1995): 7-36. Here's an article from a modern Polish history magazine (Histmag). So this is a notable event, but the name might be better as Assassination of Leszek the White or Death of Leszek the White. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎ and no indication of further input Star Mississippi 14:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't believe she meets the notability criteria, as almost all sources only mention her death in a car accident. And the page was created three days after her death. فيصل (talk) 15:59, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete lack significant coverages about her works and yes maximum sources are about her death. Xegma(talk) 17:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep The subject of the article is notable per WP:ONEEVENT - the first Emarati woman to become an orthopedic surgeon.--jojo@nthony (talk) 03:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  (Comment made after relisting.) Before I assess the sources myself, I must point out that this is not how ONEEVENT works. First, ONEEVENT says that people notable for only one event are generally not notable. Second, ONEEVENT applies to people notable for a single event (which could also be notable), not to people notable for a single achievement. Being the first female Emirati orthopedic surgeon is a claim to notability; sources are still needed to show that she is notable. Toadspike [Talk] 13:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Finsbury railway line. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actil railway station (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Despite the name, this wasn't an actual public train station. From the article: "Due to the line being for industrial purposes, it never really carried actual passenger train services apart from some trains that were scheduled for the workers" although this isn't cited to anything. The existing sources are useless; one is a single word mention that doesn't even support the content it is cited to, and the other is a YouTube video. A basic BEFORE search did not turn up anything promising. At best, this could be redirected to Finsbury railway line. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Finsbury railway line per nom. A search for sources shows that the ACTIL factory/company may be notable [33][34], but the station is not. Toadspike [Talk] 13:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Finsbury railway line. Sources are meager, and certainly no reliable secondary sources. Does not meet WP:GNG. There is not content that exceeds Finsbury railway line. Pygos (talk) 09:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also see no usable sources branched from the Youtube video the article cited. Pygos (talk) 09:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Deaths along the Bangladesh–India border. as a viable ATD Star Mississippi 14:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No significant casualties, no WP:LASTING coverage. Wikipedia discourages articles based on WP:NOTNEWS and this is nothing more than that. Nxcrypto Message 14:32, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge - this article seems well sourced, but I think that this particular clash is minor enough that it should be merged with the main “Deaths along the Bangladesh–India border” page. That way the information can be retained, while making it easier for someone searching on the topic of border clashes more generally to find. Absurdum4242 (talk) 15:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. There is no evidence of notability. desmay (talk) 16:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge with Deaths along the Bangladesh–India border. WP:NOTNEWS seems to apply to this article, but the comment about "no evidence of notability" is honestly nonsensical, as the subject very much meets the WP:GNG criteria. BilletsMauves^€500 09:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong here because "WP:NOTNEWS" articles fail notability (as described by WP:GNG). Dympies (talk) 04:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:NOTNEWS. Dympies (talk) 04:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Lists of Pokémon episodes. as a viable ATD Star Mississippi 14:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pokémon special episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This list greatly fails INDISCRIMINATE and OR. There is no real clear inclusion criteria as to what a "special episode" is. There are bonus anime shorts and exclusive anime episodes, which appear to be the focus, but it then transcludes information from a variety of unrelated Pokémon series, such as Chronicles, Generations, and Origins. Are these really "special episodes" when they're whole series unrelated to any larger Pokémon series? What correlation do these have to any other topics within the article? This article even includes random Pokémon Go promotional shorts that have nothing to do with even these other series, and shorts shown in planetariums, again with nothing to do with anything else on this list.

Normally I would consider working out an inclusion criteria, but this list physically cannot have one because of how loosely it is using the term "special episode." It's impossible to define it, and it's including content that is largely unrelated to each other under this one umbrella term, which gives me OR vibes, as it's impossible for this exact categorization to be determined. A brief search for the term "Pokémon special episodes" also yielded quite literally nothing across all of News, Books, and Scholar, indicating this term is not widely used in any capacity outside of Wikipedia, and as a result, means that it is impossible for any external sourcing to verify what a special episode is.

I would suggest a deletion of this list, primarily because not only is this list just an OR and INDISCRIMINATE mess, but it also happens to largely consist of items that have articles or alternative redirect targets. The Pikachu shorts, for example, can redirect to their respective Pokémon movie they were shown at. Special anime episodes can go to their respective anime series, as another example. While a few things are missed out on, those things largely lack any form of significant coverage or are just non-notable as a whole, and a few of them (Such as Bidoof's Big Stand) have potential to be made into separate articles and have the information carried over there. As it stands right now, this list is impossible to verify, largely redundant due to large swathes of transcluded content, and overall just a flawed article. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete As you say, its inclusion criteria are unclear. "Special" or not, episodes should be bundled with the list on the requisite series to most help the reader, not be thrown into a separate article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete Per above.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per WP:LISTCRUFT. A vast majority of the article is completely unreferenced, and the descriptions appear to be OR. SirMemeGod  18:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete In the majority of the world these are just packaged the same as regular episodes and the rest are not part of the regular mainline series or not meant to be viewed as standalone episodes. Nate • (chatter) 19:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. It does not appear to serve a useful purpose, and the criteria for inclusion are unclear. Bensci54 (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Added sources, so WP:OR is no longer an issue. This article needs cleanup rather than deletion; if not, then merge and redirect to Pokémon (TV series) or Pokémon#Anime, opposed to deletion. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 20:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A lot of the sources you have added are either primary or from sources that do not attribute notability, and they only serve to verify individual list entries. OR is still an issue since the sources have not clarified anything in regards to what a "special episode" is and what the inclusion criteria for such a list should be. Additionally, redirects to those two articles you have mentioned would be unwieldy, as neither article covers the article's content, and even if some content were merged, the target article would not be a "list of special episodes," making the redirect inaccurate and thus unhelpful to readers. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  While some sources may be primary, they do help verify the entries. I acknowledge the need for secondary sources to establish notability and clarify the "special episode" criteria. Moving forward, I'll focus on finding better sources to define what qualifies as a "special episode". If those redirects are unwieldy, then I think it should be redirected to List of Pokémon episodes and I still believe this article deserves cleanup rather than deletion. M S Hassan 📬✍🏻 13:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Zxcvbnm. The TV series should be covered together, and the reason for this split is unclear. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Lists of Pokémon episodes: (of which this could be considered a WP:SPLITLIST maybe, coverage including https://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/1686046/pokemon-une-nouvelle-serie-devoilee-et-des-episodes-speciaux-pour-terminer-l-histoire-de-sacha-et-pikachu.htm https://gamergen.com/actualites/pokemon-serie-histoire-sacha-va-terminer-episodes-speciaux-nouvelle-serie-autres-heros-teasee-330524-1 etc, so not opposed to Keep) and add there, in a merge, the most notable episodes. A redirect would allow to preserve the page history. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Since nomination, the article has been disambiguated. Editors commenting on the page in its current form !voted to keep it. (non-admin closure) Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Estonia national youth football team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I do not believe that the subject of this article satisfies notability guidelines. A cursory search did not turn up reliable independent sources that could be used to improve it. Even looking beyond that, the article in its current state appears to be entirely deserted, consisting mainly of empty tables. It is debatable how relevant this information would be anyway as per WP:NOTDB. ElooB (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• comment Estonian Football Association pages for these U18 U16 U15. I'm not sure why these articles are grouped together as there is no 1 youth team, all of them are different teams. I rather see them seperately. So I'm not gonna argue they have notability in this discussion. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @ElooB: I made it into disam page [35] such as England national youth football team, Belgium national youth football team, Poland national youth football team, Scotland national youth football team, Spain national youth football team, Sweden national youth football team. I say keep it as disam. Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Pelmeen, and to match similar articles. GiantSnowman 13:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Pelmeen.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. asilvering (talk) 16:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jude ssemugabi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I have to mistaken by cut page and already exists the draft named Draft:Jude ssemugabi Zach (talk to me) 12:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. RL0919 (talk) 13:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Latvian exonyms (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Indiscriminate unreferenced list of proper names, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Other such articles have recently been deleted, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/French exonyms. toweli (talk) 10:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as none of these (without exception?) have been ruled by Latvia throughout history, there is no natural connection between Latvia and a set group of cities to establish a selection, making it fail WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Geschichte (talk) 20:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. What's the use of an endless list of examples of the obvious fact that each language adapts foreign words to its own phonology and orthography? —Tamfang (talk) 04:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Editors may additionally want to consider whether the entry for this incident at Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1950s should be removed, given the sourcing concerns. asilvering (talk) 02:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1952 Aeroflot Ilyushin Il-12 crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: There exists no (significant) news coverage of the event, no secondary sources, no in-depth coverage, no continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects and no long-term impact on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per WP:N. The Soviet Union was notoriously tight-lipped about aviation accidents that occurred in that era, and many domestic accidents were never widely reported. This article is based primarily on what appears on the airdisaster.ru website, which was briefly discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_446#airdisaster.ru a couple of months ago. I found that discussion by searching for such a discussion, as my gut feeling was already telling me that this isn't a reliable source, and the "sources of information" field on the entry on that site has been left blank. I've spent some time trying to find even a brief mention of this accident in reliable sources, and have failed. While Wikipedia's notability guideline is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the current state of sourcing in an article, the policy does state that information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. RecycledPixels (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1950s. Incident is sufficiently covered there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meltdown627 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak delete: does seem notable as an accident causing several fatalities, I just can't find any sources on it besides ASN and other accident databases. SirMemeGod  19:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep, as the nominator later voted to keep in agreement with other voters‎. (non-admin closure) ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No references SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 09:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep as easily meets WP:GNG. No mention of any WP:BEFORE search for sources. Added references including reviews of her music in The Press, Morning Call, and The Village Voice, and a 2003 feature article in The Los Angeles Times. Keep improving by adding more citations; because this is a WP:BLP, we should remove any unverifiable information, but per Wikipedia guidelines this is not grounds for deletion. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:58, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep due to sources identified by Cielquiparle, in addition to the reviews I added. toweli (talk) 16:05, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And there are some other sources I found but haven't added (yet?), such as [36], [37], [38]. toweli (talk) 16:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep due to added references SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Speedy Keep as nominator has now !voted "keep" and no-one has suggested Delete. PamD 08:16, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy keep per above, as sources have now been added to show that the topic meets the GNG. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. RL0919 (talk) 13:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ISO/TC 176 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I couldn't find sources to establish its notability. Possible WP:ATD is merge/redirect to ISO 900 family or International Organization for Standardization but could unbalance those articles. Boleyn (talk) 08:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2014 in Turkish television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Searched but I cannot find enough good sources. No Turkish article Chidgk1 (talk) 11:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2012 in Turkish television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Turkish article also uncited, and tagged as maybe unencyclopedic Chidgk1 (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2011 in Turkish television (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The Turkish article is also uncited, and it has been tagged as possibly unsuitable for Wikipedia Chidgk1 (talk) 11:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 00:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey at the 2009 World Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Tagged uncited over a decade ago. Nothing in the article shows it is notable Chidgk1 (talk) 11:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 03:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FC Barcelona–Manchester United F.C. rivalry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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article fails to even explain the actual existence of any purported rivalry, nevermind one that is notable. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 07:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]