Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Failed log/December 2022

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was archived by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Nominator(s): Soulbust (talk) 06:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it meets the FL criteria and I believe it it conveys critical NBA historical information in an easily navigable list that has context provided to ensure it is not just a list. Thank you Soulbust (talk) 06:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Will do a full review later but put this here largely as a reminder to myself......

• I would suggest putting a tooltip on "pct" in the same way that you have for "GP". I don't think it's at all obvious that "pct" means "percentage", especially given that the figure is shown as a decimal and not with a percentage symbol....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done fixed Soulbust (talk) 17:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Whole of the first paragraph is unsourced
• " These records include wins and losses recorded by a team's playing time" - doesn't seem to make sense. Suggest " These records include wins and losses recorded during a team's playing time"

 Done fixed Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Additionally, the records do not count wins and losses" - I think you can ditch that first word

 Done trimmed Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Conversely, the Pelicans have played the least overall games" => "Conversely, the Pelicans have played the fewest overall games"

 Done fixed Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Per MOS:COLOUR, colour alone should not be used to highlight something, for reasons of accessibility. A symbol should also be used.
• The muddy yellow colour used to indicate "Team active in Play-in" isn't actually used in the table, although I guess maybe it might be used at some point?

Yeah, it's definitely in-use during that point in the season. Same with the playoffs section, in which "Most recent champion" would switch over to "Team active in playoffs", and read as such until the playoffs are over and a champion is crowned. Was wondering if this is alright? I figure it is, as long as its maintained. Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• How is "Team in playoff drought" defined? Are the Lakers really in a "drought" because they failed to reach the playoffs for one season? Seems harsh!

Yes, one year constitutes as a drought haha. Other articles/lists on Wikipedias, namely List of NFL franchise post-season droughts and List of NBA franchise post-season droughts list teams with 1 missed season as a drought. Also this NBC Sports article writes that "The New England Patriots ended a one-year playoff drought in 2021 by earning the AFC’s No. 6 seed with a 10-7 record," so it seems as sports media also thinks droughts can be just 1 year. Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• All the notes about teams previously playing in other cities (apart from the very convoluted not J :-)) are unsourced
• "The Hawks would begin" - why not just "The Hawks began"?

 Done fixed Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The table apparently goes up to 2022, but is sourced to the 2019–20 Official NBA Guide, published in 2019.......?
• All the other tables are totally unsourced as far as I can see
• That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll address the other comments later. But thank you for the comments/review. Much appreciated help Soulbust (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
• Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! Rank becomes !scope=col | Rank, with each header cell on its own line. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
• Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 1 becomes !scope=row | 1, again with this header cell on its own line. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 00:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Soulbust: Are you planning on continuing this nomination? I see that it has been sitting here for a long time with unaddressed comments. --PresN 18:52, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN: Hey! Sorry for the lack of addressing comments. I'll be able to get to those comments soon (I was really busy offline during November and still am a bit now, but a little less so). But as far as the nom goes, I'd opt to definitely withdraw/shelf that for now because while I will address the comments/feedback and fix any holes currently found in the list, I'm unsure how quickly or soon I'll be able to dedicate time to do that. That being said, thank you for all the help and feedback . Soulbust (talk) 22:42, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was withdrawn by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 12 December 2022 (UTC) [2].[reply]

Nominator(s): TomMasterReal (talk) 03:20, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see many problems with this list, it is an okay list of all the Emperors of the Qing Dynasty.

Drive-by comment: The table formatting is a mess. Section headings shouldn't be inserted directly into the table (and references shouldn't be put in section headings), and row/column scopes are missing. I would suggest MOS:TABLE and MOS:DTAB for advice on how to fix it. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:40, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - as far as I can see the nominator has never edited the article. @TomMasterReal: did you consult with regular editors of the list before nomination as per the instruction above.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:43, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I did not. I could not think of anything to edit on the article. All of the information outside the table seemed to be fine. I just edited a fact now, and will try to fix the formatting. TomMasterReal (talk) 13:23, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I fixed the table formatting things. TomMasterReal (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Nothing in the lead is sourced
• Link era name in the lead
• "which was tampered and perhaps even forged by its beneficiaries" => "which was tampered with and perhaps even forged by its beneficiaries"
• "The date that appears under "Dates of reign"" - the column is not titled that
• "The number of years indicated in the same column" - there is no number of years in the column
• Why are there two values in English characters for each emperor in the last three columns?
• Footnotes a and b are identical so should be combined
• Refs 12, 24 and 25 point to a source tagged as "Fang 1943b" but no source is tagged that way, so the refs don't work -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:23, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• For the last three columns, the last row are their Manchu names I think, as I know Abkai fulingga is the Manchu name of Nurhaci
• Sorry about the number of years, that was from the old table.
• I will try to fix the other points you have made.

TomMasterReal (talk) 03:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments I don't know if I did the citations right, please tell me if I did it wrong, because the only reliable source I could find for the era names, and temple names were from the Palace Museum in Beijing. TomMasterReal (talk) 15:17, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The citations you added are bare URLs, they need to be properly formatted. They are also identical, so can be combined into one ref. Additionally, I wasn't querying the sourcing on those columns so much as the fact that there's no explanation above the table as to why there are multiple names shown for each emperor in each column........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Okay. TomMasterReal (talk) 17:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Okay, so I removed the citation, since I'm bad at them, and added the explainations. TomMasterReal (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose and suggest withdrawal, no evidence that the nominator discussed the list with the regular editors of the page. The recent changes, done after the FLC nomination have removed 13 explanatory notes and numerous citations without explanation. I have restored the status quo, in light of this. This is not how FLC is done and this nomination should be withdrawn. Aza24 (talk) 21:21, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm fine with that. TomMasterReal (talk) 21:49, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been withdrawn, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:08, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.