Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Failed log/February 2016

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Nominator(s): Frankie _talk 17:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC), Ssven2, MarnetteD[reply]

My 25th nomination about the filmography of Rod Steiger, one of Hollywood's greatest and most beloved character actors. Some of his notable films include On the Waterfront (1954), The Pawnbroker (1964) and In the Heat of the Night (1967). I have borrowed some texts from his biography. Hoping to get some comments which can help further improve the article. Thank you. -- Frankie _talk 17:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest adding Ssven2, and MarnetteD as co-nominators as they've also contributed lots to this list. Cowlibob (talk) 22:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely agreed and added. -- Frankie _talk 05:47, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lede is too detailed. There's quite a few relatively unremarkable roles mentioned like Innocents with Dirty Hands, The Magic Mountain, Catch the Heat etc. To anybody really up on Steiger's career it would seem strange to even mention ones like that in a career summary. I also don't think it's a good idea to "borrow some texts from his biography". In places you seem to have misinterpreted the text, if you read it closely you'll see that Three into Two Won't Go wasn't a box office flop, it was actually the 19th highest grossing of the year. it was the film before it which flopped. I would also rather some understanding of the sorts of roles he played was given too.

I didn't take the TiTWG bit from his biography. That's what the Guardian source claims.

It did well at the box office but a number of critics didn't like it I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:05, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"During the 1970s, Steiger starred in foreign productions and independent films in search of more demanding roles, and suffered a setback in his career. " -you don't make it clear what that setback actually was initially, so best not to mention it until you bring up the subject of his health in late 70s. You definitely need to mention his health and career decline because after it the studios treated him as good as dead and he had to find roles in crappy B movies (which I'd avoid mentioning for the most part). If you;re going to mention 90s TV/miniseries I would favour mentioning playing Sam Giancana in the miniseries Sinatra (1992). Catch the Heat is currently a redirect to List of Argentine films of 1987. Please create a stub on it if it doesn't exist!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Other than this ithe list itself looks in good order.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:39, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The whole lede needs a revamp. I've edited it a bit and will try to give it my full attention this evening.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, Dr. Blofeld but I would like to withdraw the nomination as I am comfortable with its current state. But since it's also Ssven2 and MarnetteD's nomination, they can contest it. -- Frankie _talk 17:32, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll leave it up to you Frankie. We can keep plugging away on improving the list until you are ready. I can mention one thing in regards to the career decline - making the film W.C. Fields and Me had been a long time ambition for Steiger. When it was panned it either started or added to his depression and health problems. Unfortunately this is all from memory of talk shows and newspaper articles from the time so it is WP:SYNTH on my part. Also it might not be relevant to this list article. Cheers to everyone and I hope that you enjoy the rest of your weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 17:48, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@MarnetteD and FrB.TG: I second Marnette's suggestion. Your call, Frank. :-)  — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 12:02, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• @FLC director and delegates: Nominator has indicated that they'd like to withdraw. The other two co-nominators are not contesting it. [[2]], this comment by nominator on 22 February indicates they've moved on from this FLC. Perhaps time to close this one? Cowlibob (talk) 18:04, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Archiving. --PresN 19:00, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): Cartoon network freak (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it is well written and reliable. I also followed the style and structure from Alexandra Stan's discography, which got two supports so far.Cartoon network freak (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@TheFame08: All done. Thanks! --Cartoon network freak (talk) 07:26, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - Look good now! TheFame08 (talk) 11:11, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delegates, take this thread into account if you end up making a decision on this FLC. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:22, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

• Romanian singer Inna has released four studio albums, one of which it was reissued => "Romanian singer Inna has released four studio albums, one of which was reissued"
• As she is Romanian, that chart should be listed first in each table. Did none of her albums chart at all in Romania? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:36, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Done! Actually, Romania hasn't got an official album charts. However, Inna's first two studio albums got certified Gold in Romania, but as far as I know certifications can't be included without a chart, can they? All the best! --Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Procedural comment – Actually, I count only one support at the Alexandra Stan discography FLC right now. That's not the "substantial support" for the first FLC needed for a second nomination, per the FLC instructions. This should either be taken off FLC until that nominiation runs its course, or the Stan discography should be archived. Which would you prefer? Giants2008 (Talk) 16:09, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008: Actually, Azealia 911 stroke his oppose on Alexandra Stan's FLC. In reply to your question, I would prefer to archive Stan's discography FLC. Cheers! Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:43, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I'll remember to close that tomorrow when I get a chance. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:22, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll take a look at this.

Lead

• The image needs an alt text. This is a requirement for FAs and FLs. It's good to know for the future.
• Quickly, the track gained worldwide recognition, reaching the top twenty of the charts in most of the countries it peaked. change it to "reaching the top twenty across multiple charts. I'd normally add worldwide at the end, but that's already stated at the beginning of the sentence.
• "Amazing", one of them, managed to peak at number one on the Romanian Top 100, while "10 Minutes", another one, marked the fourth time in a row that Inna reached the top ten in France. I don't like the "one of them". Instead, try "One of these singles was amazing, which reached the number one position on the Romanian Top 100". After 10 Minutes, the "another one" isn't necessary.
• Her next studio album, I Am The Club Rocker, was launched in 2011. For this project... I don't think you can launch an album. You launch campaigns. Change launch to released. Also, while project is fine, I think it's better just to simply state what it was, and it's an album.
• "Tu şi eu", the record's third single, ranked at number five in Romania, while "More Than Friends", a collaboration with Daddy Yankee, peaked at number seven in Spain... Change ranked at number five to peaked at number five.
• Particularly, the record was released under the name of Body and the Sun in Japan. This entire sentence can be removed and be replaced by footnote D.

Albums

• This is more of an aesthetic thing, but I like moving the refs for each album to the release date. Not necessary though.

I'll take a look at the refs tonight, but once those issues are cleaned up, I think I can give this a support. Famous Hobo (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Famous Hobo: All done! Thanks! Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@FrB.TG: All done. Happy new year! --Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:29, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for resolving them but please keep in mind that FLC quotes: "Per talk page guidelines, nominators should not cap, alter, strike, break up, or add graphics to comments from other editors". Anyway, now that my comments are addressed, I am ready to give my support . -- Frankie _talk 13:19, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much! BTW, I have undone the striking of your comments. --Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Support from an IP - Looks good! 1.52.124.206 (talk) 05:21, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! Happy new year! --Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:07, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to say it, but this looks like another weak support without much behind it, such as a statement that the article meets FL standards. It's fairly unusual to have two at one FLC, but it looks like the case here. If we could get a couple more reviews from experienced editors, that would be great. Giants2008 (Talk) 15:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• "one of which was reissued" not sure this is really essential in the lead, note it in the albums section.
• "four ... 22 ... " MOSNUM.
• "certified Gold" link "certified" appropriately, and not sure the Gold needs to be capitalised, etc.
• "singles featured from her " no need for "featured".
• "fourth time in a row that Inna reached the top ten in France." well according to the table, "Love" didn't chart in France.
• "Her next studio album" be specific, perhaps "Her second..."
• I Am The Club Rocker appears to be called I Am the Club Rocker.
• "commercially successful throughout Europe" it charted no higher than 36 and only 76 in her native Bulgaria. That doesn't constitute "commercially successful throughout Europe" I'm afraid.
• Party Never Ends redirects back to the list article so unlink it.
• "available for purchase" do you mean she "released" it?

Yes I do, but "released" has been already mentioned multiple times.

• "Tu şi eu", the record's third single" in the table this is described in English rather than Bulgarian. It also appears to be the second single, not the third, or is the ordering in the table not chronological?

Fixed it

• It also suggests it was released in 2012.

Yes it was, but it is still featured on Party Never Ends

• More Than Friends appears to really be called More than Friends.
• "for streaming four" -> "for being streamed four"
• "Following this, Inna released her self-titled fourth studio album in 2015.[A] The album's first single, "Cola Song"" according to the table, the first single from her self-titled album was "Diggy Down".
• "number eight on the Spanish Singles Chart" you've already mentioned Spain twice prior to linking this chart. Suggest you link it first time.
• Bel (VI) and Bel (Wal) both link to the same article.

Yes, because they're compiled by the same provider

• Any reason SPA isn't ESP if NLD isn't NDL?
• "Party Never Ends 2" redirects back to this discography so unlink it.
• Not seeing 913 in Ref 6.

You have to log in to Oricon to see the sales.

• Is it Wow or WOW? Be consistent.
• I Need You For Christmas seems to be "for" Christmas.
• "List of music videos as lead artist, with director" should be "director(s)" per the table.
• Only notes that are complete sentences need a full stop.
• Non-English-language references should have a language added to them, e.g. 43 is French, 40 is Italian, etc.
• Look for WP:DASH fails, i.e. spaced hyphens should be en-dashes, e.g. the titles of refs 102 to 105.
• Is it "WOW Biz" or "Wowbiz" - be consistent.
• Antena 1 is a dab link.

So, after a quick run through, it's a clear oppose from me based on the sheer volume of issues needed to get this up to a half-decent starting point for a Featured List. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man, All done! Sorry for the delayed response. Yours sincerly, --Cartoon network freak (talk) 02:37, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a big shame, but this nomination is pushing 3 months and it only has one real support, and The Rambling Man hasn't returned to strike his oppose. I'm going to have to close this to keep the FLC queue from getting stuck; feel free to renominate it if you're confident that all of the issues have been addressed. --PresN 17:59, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): Prosperosity (talk) 10:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it satisfies the FL criteria. Prosperosity (talk) 10:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by an IP

*The discography of Japanese musical act Superfly consists of five studio album → Japanese band Superfly has released...

'Band' implies multiple members, but Superfly has only a single member at the moment, so I don't know if that's really appropriate! I've made all of the other changes. --Prosperosity (talk) 09:03, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Cartoon network freak

Lead

*discography of Japanese musical act -> discography of Japanese rock group

• song "Wildflower" -> song, "Wildflower"

Done. --Prosperosity (talk) 07:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments (@Prosperosity)

• The headers are not correctly used, nor is the article sorted in an appropriate way, use Hilary Duff discography as an example as to how we use headers in discographies.

• Done.

• Remove all appearances of "(JPN)" in the tables, they're unnecessary.

• Done.

• Sales (Japan) -> Sales; 510,000 -> JPN: 510,000 and so on. E.G, don't forget to link the first use of JPN to Recording Industry Association of Japan.

• RIAJ don't release sales; these sales are sourced from Oricon. But otherwise, done.

• The release dates of albums (compliation, DVD...) need to be accompanied by an iTunes or JVC link to prove their release (see Inna discography).

• They are; the Oricon link for albums and singles positions features a detailed list all of the original release dates, meaning additional citations for this data isn't necessary. For all releases not included in the link, I've already included additional citations.

• The songs need to be accompanied by an iTunes or JVC link toprove their release. (again, see Inna discography as an example).

• As above; but with additional sources for non-physically released singles.

• The translations of singles are unnecessary.

• Not according to WP:MJ's advice on using Japanese script in lists. Can you explain why this is not necessary for an article dealing with a non-English topic?

• The use of N/A is partially wrong (see Inna discography). --Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Fixed. --Prosperosity (talk) 02:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note/Hint/etc. - I have my own FLC Candidate Mexican National Lightweight Championship and I figured giving is the best way of getting feedback.

Comments

Lead

• Looking at MOS:FOREIGN I believe the Japanese song titles such as "Ai o Karada ni Fukikonde" should be in italics
• Speaking of, may I suggest that each song title has the English translated afterwards ("Yada-Yada" in English) or something to that effect.
• Not sure what "certified Million" means for download - is there perhaps an appropriate link?
• RIAJ should be spelled out the first time it's used
• NHK should either be spelled out or at least specified that it's a Japanese tv channel.

Table

• The Extended Plays list really sticks out as having a totally different format. why is that?
• Also there are a lot of non-"Discography" in the list, is that normal in articles labelled as "Discography"??

Sources

• Barks - Reliable source as per WP:RS?
• natalie.mu - Reliable?
• Spaceshower.com - Reliable?

This is the first Discography list I have reviewed so I don't know what the standards are, but in general it looks good, close o FL. MPJ-US  02:03, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, after 2 months this nomination has only received one support, and the nominator hasn't returned to address the latest review after several weeks. Closing as not promoted. --PresN 19:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because after checking the requirements, it appears to meet all the criteria. I would also like to specifically thank WFinch for all their efforts with the images on the page. Look forward to everyone's comments. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Jimknut

• You need to fix the sorting for both the dates and the film titles. Any title that begins with "A", "An", or "The" should sort under the second word in the title. Jimknut (talk) 01:01, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimknut - Thanks. Will fix that. When I originally expanded the table I thought I had gotten all of them. But will go back over it tomorrow night. Again, thanks for pointing that out. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 04:17, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimknut - actually going back over the article, I expanded it before I know about the sortname feature. I think I have them all fixed now. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:56, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - a triumphant and massive list, well done.

• Don't start list articles with "This is a list of RKO Pictures films,...."
• "which was ... which was ..." poor prose.
• "added Pathé Exchange, to the " no need for the comma.
• "the U.S.[2]" would prefer to just see "and the United States."
• "During... during" see above.
• And then followed by "During this time..." really need to work on this prose to make it engaging.
• "it was graced with some of the great names of cinema history" sounds like personal opinion.
• "1931 Academy Award for Best Picture" can be linked.
• "(1946 - and the studio's only other Academy Award for Best Picture)" spaced hyphen violates WP:DASH, and link to other Academy Awards list.
• "and what some people consider the greatest film of all time, 1941's Citizen Kane." citations please.
• "and was eventually" and it was...
• " to General Tire and Rubber Company in" missing a "the".
• "which is now under new management" as of when?
• "As per the guidelines set forth by the WikiProject Film group" when do we allow Wikiproject guidelines cross over so overtly into article space?

That's it for the lead. If we can make some amends here, I will be tempted to review the rest. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:27, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the excellent input, RM. I've incorporated all your suggestions, as well as many some other minor changes to grammar and prose.  Done. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note/Hint/etc. - I have my own FLC Candidate Mexican National Lightweight Championship and I figured giving is the best way of getting feedback.

Comments

Lead

• Paragraph 2 - Either only sourced for Citizen Kane or sourced by something not defined.
• Third Paragraph- Only one source on this whole section and only and that is just for the 1957 sale as far as I can read? too many things unsourced in this section.
• Fourth paragraph - Totally unsourced

Table

• Looking these I am at a loss for to see any sources IN the grids?? To me that's the biggest problem

Sources

• There is a reference error that needs to be fixed
• Note section, but no notes?
• I don't have a problem with the repeated, short "Jewell" references but I am looking for that one reference that actually outlines what "Jewell" is - perhaps a "cite book" reference or something to give us more of an idea what "Jewell" actually is?

Looking at this there is a real lack of sources in the lead and in the tables that I would expect from a Featured List. The tables themselves look good, sorts fine etc. but the sources are it's downfall. MPJ-US  02:21, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MPJ-DK - I think that's what you were looking for. Let me know. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:23, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Onel5969 - Wow I am impressed with the amount of work and is happy to lend my Support to this fine list. MPJ-US  13:21, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, this nomination has been open for 2 months without a lot of support, and I'm going to have to close it to keep the FLC queue moving. Hopefully it will receive more attention if you renominate. Standard notification: The easiest way to get more nomination is to review other nominees, thus increasing the overall review pool. --PresN 20:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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