Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Failed log/February 2023

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Nominator(s): 金色黎明 (talk) 12:25, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it have been totally rewrite according to other Featured list. 金色黎明 (talk) 12:25, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: You should not add a second FLC nomination unless the first has multiple supports (see the information at the top of the WP:FLC page). RunningTiger123 (talk) 14:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am so sorry about that. I will withdraw it 金色黎明 (talk) 14:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator--金色黎明 (talk) 14:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): CT55555(talk) 22:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the criteria and the subject is one of the world's most notable families. _{Note: my second FL nomination, made having addressed all feedback from the first one (so I think I'm compliant with process)} CT55555(talk) 22:40, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose: It's not compliant with process, actually: "Nominators should not add a second featured list nomination until the first has gained substantial support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed." List of Nansen Refugee Award laureates currently has no supports and one oppose that has not yet been struck.

That said, I'd be fine with giving that a pass if this nomination was in a good state... but it isn't. The lead is two sentences and gives essentially no context for the list, the inclusion criteria is nebulous ("immediate relatives" it says, and then starts off with his grandfather but still skips his grandchildren), it's clearly actually "relatives of Donald Trump" but then doesn't explicitly state their relationship to him, it also doesn't even state their relationship to each other so readers have no idea who any of these people are in relation to the ex-president, and it includes one spouse of a relative but no others- Kushner is just there with no explanation. Compared to Family of Joe Biden (or heck, Family of Donald Trump), it's a bit of a mess and not ready for nomination. --PresN 01:50, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the process error. I'm new to this and I thought I was doing it correctly, because I had substantially addressed the points at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Nansen Refugee Award laureates/archive1 (very recently).

The feedback on the list is well received and I am happy to make improvements in the short term, or withdraw and resubmit once List of Nansen Refugee Award laureates, once two weeks has passed, or at any other point that consensus directs. CT55555(talk) 01:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I have improved the lead, refined the inclusion criteria, added a column that expresses the relationship with Donald Trump, and removed Kushner. I remain vigilant to make any other improvements suggested. CT55555(talk) 02:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per criterion 3(c), which requires that the article "does not largely duplicate material from another article, and could not reasonably be included as part of a related article." This just duplicates Family of Donald Trump but in tabular format. I see no reason this content fork needed to be created, and it should be redirected there because it provides no additional information, just pictures that are welcome to be added to that main article. Reywas92^Talk 03:42, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment. I appreciate this feedback, thank you. I felt that presenting things in list format was significantly earlier to navigate and understand, and I was guided by the WP:CLNT in making that decision. Of course, if I am at odds with guidance, policy, or consensus, I defer each of them. CT55555(talk) 03:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, the table should be merged into the family article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose and merge into Family of Donald Trump. Per AirshipJungleman29, I see no compelling reason for this separate article to exist -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdrawing (or requesting withdrawal, I don't know the process). I can see this isn't heading in the direction of success, so seems a bit WP:SNOW and seems best for me to withdraw this. CT55555(talk) 17:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): Twinkle1990 (talk) 23:20, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it is properly written and references are reliable and from reputed media. Twinkle1990 (talk) 23:20, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "Irrfan Khan (born Sahabzade Irfan Ali Khan; 7 January 1967 – 29 April 2020), also known simply as Irrfan" - the article is not about Khan himself so you don't need the bold formatting, his birth name, date of birth and date of death here.
• "known for his works in Hindi cinema, as well as his works in British films and Hollywood" - too wordy. I would just say "his works in Hindi cinema, as well as British films and Hollywood".
• "He made his screen debut with the Academy Award nominated film Salaam Bombay! (1988)" - "Academy Award-nominated"
• "Followed by a series of roles in films that failed to propel his career forward, he received critical acclaim" - Khan wasn't followed by a series of roles but his work in Salaam Bombay!. Also, the critical acclaim part needs to be sourced.
• "The successful drama Life in a... Metro (2007) marked a turning point in Khan's career" - why was it a turning point in his career when he gave several critically acclaimed performances before it? This one also needs to be sourced.
• "He rose to prominence with his portrayal of Paan Singh Tomar" - unsourced again and I'm not sure if he rose to prominence with this film. He was already an established actor long before it.
• "earned him universal acclaim by the critics and audiences" - unsourced

Oppose. I'm stopping here as this has too many issues. The lead is poorly written and filled with vague claims. And given the length of Khan's career, I would expect the lead to be longer than this. FrB.TG (talk) 21:54, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@FrB.TG some modification done. Would you look again? Twinkle1990 (talk) 12:21, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid my oppose still stands. Some of the issues I pointed out above still remain and they are a deal-breaker.

• "Followed by a series of roles in films that failed to propel his career forward, he went on to play negative roles" - see above
• "His portrayal of Paan Singh Tomar in the biographical sports drama Paan Singh Tomar (2012), which garnered him the National Film Award for Best Actor and a Filmfare Critics Award for Best Actor." Incomplete sentence
• "His highest-grossing Hindi release came with the comedy-drama Hindi Medium (2017), which became a sleeper hit in India and China, which ranks among highest-grossing Indian films of all time and earned several awards including the Filmfare Award for Best Actor." Clunky writing"
• There are major sourcing issues like I already mentioned above. Examples of unsourced claims ("Followed by a series of roles in films that failed to propel his career forward, he went on to play negative roles in the drama film", "The successful drama Life in a... Metro (2007) marked a turning point in Khan's career")
• In my opinion, the entire lead needs to be rewritten and expanded to write more about his television roles, work between 2007 and 2012, and international parts.

I recommend that this nomination be withdrawn as it needs a lot of work that simply cannot be done within the FLC scope. FrB.TG (talk) 17:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
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• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 01:12, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

I agree with FrB.TG above. This is nowhere close to ready and has been nominated on a whim. Should be withdrawn and closed. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:49, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving. --PresN 01:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): Dr Salvus 21:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

30 awards have been assigned as of 18 November 2022. It's acceptable that it isn't very big. Dr Salvus 21:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "The winner is chosen by a combination of an online public vote" - a combination of this and what else? You can't have a combination of one thing.

Removed the "a combination of" I had mistakenly inserted.  Done

• "contending five players" => "involving five players"

 Done

• "The five players who take part to the pool" => "The five nominated players"

 Done

• No reason for EA Sports to be in all capitals

 Done

• Need a comma after Ronaldo to end the clause

 Done

• "No player has won the award on two consecutive months" => "No player has won the award in two consecutive months"

 Done

• "or in the same season" => "or twice in the same season"

 Done

• "....the same season but Gómez and Ronaldo are the only players to win two trophies in one calendar year" => "...the same season; Gómez and Ronaldo are the only players to win two trophies in one calendar year"

 Done

• "to win the reward on two consecutive months" => "to win the award in two consecutive months"

 Done

• "Ten midfileders" - last word is spelt wrong

 Done

• "the most rappresented" - last word is spelt wrong

 Done. I got confused with Italian word for represented.

• I would just have a single column for month and year, as being able to sort by both month and year looks weird - why would you want to sort all the Septembers together?

 Done. Premier League Player of the Months too has this problem

• "As of February 2022 award." - presume this is wrong? Also it doesn't need a full stop

 Done

Not done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "As of October 2022 award." (in two places) - doesn't need a full stop

 Done

Not done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:44, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• No need for a "see also" to Serie A as it is already linked in the article

 Done

• Publisher of refs 1 and 3 is the same but you show it differently

 Done

• Ref 2 gives no publisher info at all

 Done

• Don't show title of ref 3 in all caps

 Done

• That's what I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:29, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In these moments, I am busy. I will do this as soon as possible. Dr Salvus 17:53, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have decided to sleep less to do this work. Dr Salvus 23:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I had made the edits in question but I think I forgot to save them. Dr Salvus 09:17, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude anything??? Dr Salvus 16:43, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One point I missed above: what's the point of the note "Players marked † shared the award with another player." when as far as I can see this has never happened? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:55, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Dr Salvus 19:36, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude still nothing? Moise Kean got his November award yesterday, so I've changed something. Dr Salvus 16:01, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first column does not sort correctly. If I sort on any other column and then re-sort on the first one, the order becomes September 2019 > January 2020 > January 2021 > January 2022 > October 2019 > February 2020 etc, which makes no sense -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:51, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I've now looked at the refs and ref 4 does not source the columns where it is used. For example, if I click the magnifying glass on the Serie A site and type in "Frank Ribery" (which is not the correct spelling of his name, BTW), I get two articles: one about how he did the most dribbles on one matchday in November 2021 and one wishing him a happy birthday in April 2022, so nothing confirming that he was a forward, or that he's French, or that he played for Fiorentina when he won the award in 2019...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:56, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
• Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 16:47, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
•  Done Dr Salvus 16:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• In the lead, better to display and link "association football" at first mention;
• link playing positions and clubs at first mention;
• and say what Serie A is: top tier of Italian football, or whatever: we're aiming at the general reader, not the football fan;
• The month and year column doesn't sort in chronological order.
• Ref #3 (the one at the top of the player column) links to the Italian-language version of the site; as it has an English-language version, could you link to that instead.
• I don't understand how ref #4 (the one at the top of the club, nationality and playing position columns) sources all those columns for every recipient of the award. Taking Radja Nainggolan (November 2019) as an example: visiting the Lega Serie A site, clicking on the magnifying glass and typing the player's name in, I get a page with links to 52 articles. What am I missing?
• Enough for now. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I am busy, I don't know when I'm going to do it. Dr Salvus 21:14, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator has stated elsewhere that they have abandoned this nomination; closing. --PresN 18:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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