Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Failed log/September 2021

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The list was archived by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 27 September 2021 (UTC) [1].[reply]

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Nominator(s): Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 09:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For the third time, I am nominating this for featured list because I believed that this page already meets the Featured list criteria and guidelines. Also noticed that this user:GOTH $FACE$ POKER removed all my edits last year and reverted it back so that in the page statistics his name will be on the top of Top 10 by added text.

First, as you can see in the previous version which is the table, date, sources, font, and else is a reallu mess so I've made my contributed to clean all the mess until it meets the criteria. In terms of reference, the reference of the previous version is very incomplete and I've resolved this problem. The Lead, Prose, Comprehensiveness is created by Javila200084898 and I believed that the sentence doesn't need the copyediting also in that section I only solved the problem of the date to make all of the dates are consistent."

—Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 09:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the lead

• "which attained global success and reached the top position of every country's charts"" - I don't believe this is true. Every country in the world? Even Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Micronesia, Nepal, etc?
• "The album sell over 3 million units worldwide" => "The album sold over 3 million units worldwide"
• "With the releases of "Womanizer" and "Circus", it sold four million copies worldwide" => "Featuring the singles "Womanizer" and "Circus", it sold four million copies worldwide"
• "Spears's eighth studio album" - earlier you didn't have the s after the apostrophe. I think both are valid but pick one and be consistent
• "however, failed to reach the success of other Spears albums" => "but failed to reach the success of other Spears albums"
• Lead image caption should not have a full stop.
• I will look at the list later....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Solved! Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 20:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• "reached the top position in at least 22 countries" - source?
• "Spears' self-titled album spawned worldwide "I'm a Slave 4 U"" - think there's a word missing in there
• "her seventh studio album, Femme Fatale, which debuted at number one in the country" - which country?
• "spawned the hit-single" - should not have a hyphen
• ""Tik Tik Boom" features American rapper T.I.." - don't have two full stops at the end
• "Robyn co-wrote "Over to You Now" from Britney & Kevin: Chaotic and she is a chorist on "Piece of Me" from Blackout." - what is a chorist?
• Song and album titles which start with punctuation marks should sort based on the first actual word
• Song and album titles which start with "The" should sort based on the first actual word
• "I Love Rock and Roll" should be marked as a cover
• Something seems to have gone weird with the row for "Passenger"
• ""Boys", released as a single in 2001, is a remix featuring Pharrell Williams, and is not featured on the Britney album." - is there only a remix? Not an original version?
• Lose the Daily Mirror ref, it's a trashy tabloid. There are four refs against that sentence so I presume the others should cover it.....
• That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Solved! Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 04:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: and @The Rambling Man:, can you guys please have a look at this page, thank you. Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 11:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose you haven't done nearly enough to address my concerns from Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Britney Spears/archive2. Only two of the things I listed there have been resolved. Also, whether critics liked the music is irrelevant here; save that for the album/song articles. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:44, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: Solved! Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 10:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not exactly; you still need to add some non-singles to the prose for diversity (don't exclusively focus on singles when this isn't a discography article) as well as details on genre and lyrics. I'd also reduce the details on commercial performance. Maybe talk about some covers she performed. On a more minor note, I still see inappropriate uses of "hit single" used (one in singular form and another as a plural). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:37, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: is it possible to get someone (Wikipedian) that fluent in English to rewrite this lead, because I'm really bad at writing. Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 11:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It might help to take this list to WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests and link to the nomination page here showing my comments. I can't edit make any major edits to it myself right now because reviewers aren't supposed to get too involved working on pages they're assessing. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SNUGGUMS: Here Done!. Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 08:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While some changes help the flow of text, the bigger issue of this reading like a discography page unfortunately still isn't resolved at all. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Link "chart".
• Billboard 200 is overlinked in the lead.
• Link "certified".
• "Spears' " -> "Spears's" per MOS.
• "with Madonna that" pipelink is not needed.
• "first Grammy in " Grammy Award.
• Why isn't "Billboard Hot 100" linked?
• Link certified the first time!
• "34.5 million" etc, non-breaking spaces before "million".
• "each of the three decades of their career" but she's worked in the 2020s....
• "Sia co-wrote..." in the list she's called Sia Furler..
• "features Jamie Lynn Spears." could add Britney's sister.
• "featured in Miley Cyrus'" Cyrus's.
• Ref 39 needs to be spaced en-dash, not hyphen.

That's my lot for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 13:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Saiff Naqiuddin are you going to address these comments? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 09:26, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Alright, i'll do it in a short time. Saiff Naqiuddin (talk) 02:11, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:16, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was archived by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC) [2].[reply]

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Nominator(s): BasedMises_{Mont Pelerin} 00:34, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked extensively on this list. I brought it from having 0 sources and no table, with no images, to having enough to qualify. I strongly suggest that you drop as many suggestions as possible below. Thank you! BasedMises_{Mont Pelerin} 00:34, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• "The rank was used sporadically" - later on you specifically state that it wasn't a rank...........?

• Corrected

• "In total, 26 men have been awarded" - this should be "In total, 26 men were awarded" given that the award is long defunct

• Done

• "The most recent promotions to field marshal came in 1815" - first mention of "field marshal" - how does that relate to the role being discussed?

  Done

• "when Napoleon promoted Grouchy" - use Grouchy's full name and wikilink them both

• Done

• "Some, including Poniatowski, served in foreign armies" - can't see any reason to only use his surname here given that he's not been mentioned before

• Done

• "One Marshal, and one future non-Napoleonic Marshal was present at the Battle of Vitoria" - assuming this refers to two different men, then the comma shouldn't be there and it should be "were present", not "was present"

• Removed the "Non-Napoleonic Marshal"

• I would merge the existing background section into the lead as both are pretty short and they don't duplicate each other
• Battle of Waterloo wikilinked twice in consecutive sentences - only the first one needs to be linked

• Done

• In the paragraph starting "Marmont, born in 1774", you should use their full names, not just their surnames, as they haven't been mentioned before.

• Done

• Name column in the table should sort based on surname, not forename

• Done

• That's what I got on a first pass..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @ChrisTheDude I have corrected your initial concerns. Thank you for bringing them up. BasedMises_{Mont Pelerin} 21:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - the table doesn't seem to be sortable any more, just wondering why that functionality was removed......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• I must've accidentally removed it. BasedMises_{Mont Pelerin} 18:23, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• If you add it back, make sure that the names are set to sort based on surname rather than forename.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• @ChrisTheDude – I just came across this nomination, and I have made the table sortable, and fixed the sorting. Please let me know if there is anything else to be addressed. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

• The table needs a caption, e.g. at the top of the table code add "|+ <table_caption_text>" or, if that caption would duplicate a nearby header, you can make it only for screen reader software like "|+ {{sronly|<table_caption_text>}}". Captions allow screen reader software to jump to tables by name.

Done

• Column headers need to be marked with colscopes, e.g. "!Name" should be "!scope=col| Name". Colscopes and Rowscopes (below) allow screen reader software to properly read out tables verbally.

Done

• The primary cell of each row should be marked with rowscopes, e.g. "|style="background:#e3d9ff;"| Louis-Alexandre Berthier†" should be "!scope=row style="background:#e3d9ff;"| Louis-Alexandre Berthier†"

Done

• Images need alt text, which can just be e.g. "painting of Louis-Alexandre Berthier"; if it's not present, screen reader software instead reads out the file name. --PresN 14:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Okay. I will get right to fixing that. Thank you. BasedMises_{Mont Pelerin} 15:25, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• The lead is too short. I would recommend merging the background text into it and then expanding it further.
• Could you make the table sortable?
• For the citations with pages ranges, it should be "pp." not "p.". (I think)

Thanks for the comments. On Wikipedia it should be p. not pp. though (normally I write pp). I'll get right to fixing those problems. BasedMises_{Mont Pelerin} 23:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's generally "p." for a single page, "pp." for multiple pages. That said, Wikipedia does not have a site-wide style for citations, so it's whatever you want as long as it's consistent. --PresN 21:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. ~ HAL333 18:13, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HAL333 – I think all your concerns have been addressed, and I made the table sortable. Please let me know of any other concerns. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:30, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BasedMises: are you still working on this list? --PresN 21:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. BasedMises_{Mont Pelerin} 22:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doing now. Aza24 (talk) 20:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Version reviewed: [3]

Formatting

• The standard is "pp." for page ranges and "–" rather than hyphens ( - ), but this is not required, only the de facto standard
• Be consistent on whether you include locations for publishers
• I would avoid linking "London" in the sources, seems nothing more than WP:Overlinking

Reliability

• Are the Headley refs even needed? It seems less than ideal to include a 150+ year old source, especially when Pattinson seemingly already covers the information?

Verifiability

• No issues Aza24 (talk) 20:14, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Aza24 – I have addressed all your concerns. I agree that Headley refs aren't necessarily needed when the same this can be verified by relatively new sources. Do let me know if there is anything else to do. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 04:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question What's the difference between this article and Marshal of the Empire? Aren't they covering the same ground? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:27, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.