Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/January 2021

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Nominator(s): Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I just finished rewriting it, and I have added about 150 archived references (one for each film/television series Clint Eastwood has appeared in), making this list notable for FL. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 21:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alexandra

• Add brief alt text to all images, to aid readers with impaired vision
• You have forgotten to close the italics in the caption Eastwood with actress Susan Clark in Coogan's Bluff (1968)
• The lead is quite long - in particular, the third paragraph is long enough that it begins to feel like a "wall of text", making it uncomfortable to read. Remember that the lead is meant to be engaging (FLC criterion 2), and to serve as an introduction - you don't need to list off so many of the items individually in the lead, one after another, because that's what the list itself is for. Because a rewrite may be necessary here, I am holding off on reviewing the lead in detail until then.
• Link Man with No Name at least the first time the character is mentioned in the list
• Some of the characters listed do not seem to be names, but descriptions - I would expect those to be written in sentence case (ie change Man in Crowd on Pier to Man in crowd on pier)
• It is not immediately obvious what Carlo/Charlie means for someone not familiar with the film - clarify that Charlie is what the character is renamed to in the English release
• Titles beginning with "The" should not sort on that when the reader chooses to sort by title - for example, The Witches should be sorted as "Witches, The"

Please ping me when you have addressed the above or if you have any questions, and I will take another look. Thank you.--Alexandra^IDV 06:15, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexandra IDV: I have addressed / completed all of your suggestions. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 13:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and sorry for the delay, I will take a look at the lead today.--Alexandra^IDV 13:34, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• His most recent acting role was in Cry Macho (2021), which he also directed. - this is an upcoming film, do we know if production has finished? Otherwise, it should be in present tense ("is in Cry Macho (2021), which he is also directing")

Otherwise, this looks good - clarify the Cry Macho bit, and I'll support.--Alexandra^IDV 19:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Alexandra IDV: Production concludes on the 16th. Should I still change it? Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 20:40, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Some Dude From North Carolina: Yes - it might seem silly considering how soon it is, but we don't want to give the impression that it already finished before it did (and we don't really know that it will until it has). Either rephrasing so it correctly is referred to as a future event (and then changing tense when things change), or rephrasing in such a way that it doesn't get outdated, would be my suggestion.--Alexandra^IDV 23:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Alexandra IDV: I have rephrased the sentence as requested. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 23:35, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support--Alexandra^IDV 23:59, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• "In 1971, Eastwood made his directorial debut Play Misty for Me." => "In 1971, Eastwood made his directorial debut with Play Misty for Me."
• "In 1973, Eastwood starred in yet another western" => "In 1973, Eastwood starred in another western"
• "Three years later, he starred as Confederate guerilla and outlaw Josey Wales in The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976)" - if it was three years later then obviously it was 1976, so no real need to restate it
• "He has even lent his voice to a song" => "He lent his voice to a song"
• "At the early stages of his acting career" => "In the early stages of his acting career"
• In the TV section it seems odd to list his director/producer roles first given that a) in the film section it's the other way round and b) they came later than almost all his acting roles. So I would place the acting roles first.
• That's all I got on a first pass...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @ChrisTheDude: Done. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 16:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:29, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support ~ HAL333 19:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Bilorv

• Support on sourcing. Appreciate the prompt replies! — Bilorv (talk) 01:07, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:06, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣✅ 09:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the filmography gives a good summary of Sushmita Sen's extensive career in the Hindi film industry. I expect constructive comments from the reviewers. All helpful comments on improvement are welcome... 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣✅ 09:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

25 Cents FC, I really wish you submit articles for copyediting at the GOCE before nominating them since prose is not your strong point. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:38, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kailash29792 I think you are right mate. Will do it henceforth.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣✅ 12:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile Kailash29792 improvement suggestions please ?--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣✅ 04:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's just prose and table-related. You get someone to re-edit the lead section, and I'll improve the table later today. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I gave an attempt to solve it by myself. Let me know if it's okay or still has issue.

Support: Hats off to Yash and MSG17 for improving this article. --Kailash29792 (talk) 16:37, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the re-written lead

• "Sen made her screen debut in 1996 with thriller Dastak" => "Sen made her screen debut in 1996 with the thriller Dastak"

 Fixed

• "In 1999, Sen accepted a supporting role in David Dhawan's comedy-drama Biwi No.1, the movie received" - "the movie" should be the start of a new sentence

 Fixed

• "the second highest-grossing movie of 1999" - among all Hindi films? Among all films in India? Among all films in the world?

 Fixed

• "Releasing just months after Biwi No.1" => "Released just months after Biwi No.1"

 Fixed

• "The film earned Sen critical appreciation, while making it financially successful" => "The film earned Sen critical appreciation and was financially successful"

 Fixed

• "for her performance in the song "Dilbar Dilbar"" => "for her performance of the song "Dilbar Dilbar""
• "Sen made a special appearance in a song Mehboob Mere" - song title should be in quote marks, not italics. Also, what does this actually mean? She her only appearance in the film was to perform this song?

Yes. She was not a part of the movie rather appeared in that song.

• "a movie made on the concept of surrogacy" => "a film on the theme of surrogacy"

 Fixed

• " In 2003, Sen played the role of ACP Malvika Chauhan in thriller Samay: When Time Strikes" => " In 2003, Sen played the role of ACP Malvika Chauhan in the thriller Samay: When Time Strikes"

 Fixed

• "which was the fifth highest-grossing film in the year 2002" - see comment above about 1999

 Fixed

• "Inspired by a famous French play" - I would remove the word famous, it is a bit NPOV and a brief Google search doesn't suggest the play is actually particularly famous anyway.......

 Fixed

• "it emerged as the fifth-highest-grossing film of the year" - clarify again. Also, I notice this is linked to List of Bollywood films of 2005#Top_grossing_films - is there an equivalent list to link to for 1999 and 2002?
• "In the same year Sen acted in the drama Main Aisa Hi Hoon, a remake"
• "Movies where Sen played the protagonist in Kalpana Lajmi’s Chingaari (2006) and Tanuja Chandra’s Zindaggi Rocks (2006) performed badly at the box office" => "Kalpana Lajmi’s Chingaari (2006) and Tanuja Chandra’s Zindaggi Rocks (2006), in which Sen played the protagonist, performed badly at the box office"

 Fixed

• "Sen subsequently suffered a brief setback in her career as she starred in a series of films that performed poorly at the box office" - you just mentioned that her 2006 films did badly at the box office, so if the same thing happened the following year then it wasn't a "subsequent setback", it was a continuation of one which had started the year before

Consequently ??

I think the whole thing needs rewording. You say it was a "brief" setback, but it apparently lasted for four years, which definitely isn't brief. You also use almost identical wording twice ("performed badly at the box office"/"performed poorly at the box office"). I would say "Over the next four years she starred in a series of films, including action drama Ram Gopal Varma Ki Aag (2007), romantic drama Karma Aur Holi (2009), romantic comedy Dulha Mil Gaya (2010) and action comedy No Problem (2010), which were commercially unsuccessful and failed to impress audiences" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:54, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• "After staying away from films for five years, Sen appeared in English-Bengali bilingual film It Was Raining That Night in 2005" - this makes no sense. You talk about films she starred in from 2006 to 2010, and then you suddenly jump back to 2005 (??) and say it was her first film for five years, which clearly isn't true.

 Fixed Sorry for the goof up. I actually wanted to write about her first Bengali film but forget to make a change.

• "In 2019, Sen made her debut in web television. She featured in Aarya" - the table says 2020, not 2019 -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed 2020 it is.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣✅ 13:39, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Youtube is not really a reliable source, especially when others exist. Would it be possible to find a different source ref 42 and 12?

 Fixed

• ref 3 is the "economic times" not the "entertainment times"?

 Fixed

• ref 14 missing author (Shomini Shen I think)

 Fixed

• your linking is inconsistent, either link all publishers or none. If you want to link all (which I would recommend) you're missing links for Rediff.com, The Indian Express, Indian Express Limited, The New Indian Express, The Times of India, The Times Group, Box Office India, News18 India, Hindustan Times, HT Media and Mid Day

To be honest with you, I get so confused between ref's WORK and PUBLISHER thing. Do not understand if they are same or different. Some ref for example Times of India have subsidiary like Entertainment times as a result, I put Times of India as a publisher. The New Indian Express or Hindustan Times doesn't have, so I mentioned them under WORK. I am not sure if I should link WORK / PUBLISHER or both.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣✅ 16:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aza24: Awaiting your response--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣✅ 12:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• formatting and reliability looks good, other than these things Aza24 (talk) 01:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I completely understand your confusion, it is a little odd. Basically every news source has a work and publisher. The work is just what ever the newspaper is, like the The Indian Express or The Times of India and the publishers would be Indian Express Limited and The Times Group respectively. I believe the Hindustani Times is published by HT Media and the New Indian Express by Express Publications (Madurai) Limited D, but sometimes they're not explicitly clear. When the work and publisher have extremely similar names, like The New York Times that's published by the The New York Times company, you only need to list the work. I won't be picky here as the formatting is fine how it is now, pass for source review.

Thanks a lot for clearing confusion I had. All sorted.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^☣✅ 04:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Edwininlondon

I am no Bollywood expert (although I do like to listen to Lata Mangeshkar), so just a few comments:

• David Dhawan's comedy-drama Biwi No.1. --> I would link David Dhawan and then unlink comedy-drama to avoid a sea of links

Done

• link Bollywood

Done

• Sen subsequently won --> Too many sentences use Sen I think. She will do fine quite often

Done

• Released just months after Biwi No.1, Sen featured in love triangle musical drama Sirf Tum (1999) --> Now it reads as if Sen was released. The subject of the second part should be the film. Or rephrase entirely.

Done

• as it went on collect --> to collect

Done

• in a song "Mehboob Mere" --> in the song "Mehboob Mere"

Done

• fantasy comedy film --> I'm not sure if this, and a few others like Tamil-language romantic action film, needa a hyphen.
• After initial success, --> not sure what you mean here ... her initial success?
• link surrogacy

Done

• ensemble cast heist thriller --> doesn't look right to me. Hyphen? Hyphens? add "the"?
• in 2005 romantic comedy --> in the 2005 romantic comedy

Done

• it emerged as the fifth-highest-grossing film of the year --> the hyphens here look right. But it was not used before, so those others (second highest and fifth highest) need fixing. Second point: I like the link here, but I now ask myself: could the other statements about second highest and fifth highest also be links?
• Sen acted in drama Main Aisa Hi Hoon --> in the drama, or in the drama movie

Done

• Hollywood --> link

Done

• In 2004, she also starred --> why are we now going back a year?
• in English-Bengali film --> in the English-Bengali film

Done

• poorly at the box office --> there is a lot of repetition of this phrase in short succession. Any chance you could rephrase some?
• her first Bengali film Nirbaak directed by --> I would add a comma before directed

Done

• Sen played dual role --> a dual role

Done

• Source formatting check: Kyo Kii.. Main Jhuth Nahin Bolta" --> 3 dots

Done

• "Dastak- 1996". Bollywood Hungama. --> There are quite a few of these Hungama refs. Most of them use an en dash. They should all have the same format, including the spacing around the en dash. "Dastak – 1996"
  • Removed dash and year as they weren't in the original title
• "Aaghaz −2000". Bollywood Hungama] --> stray ]. Probably missing [[ ]
  • Fixed
• Spotcheck sources: #1, #42, #48, #49, #50 all check out ok.
• #2 on its own does not fully support the third sentence in the lead. It doesn't seem to say the movie is from 1997.
• #3 supports most of the facts it is meant to support except for "Sen subsequently won the Filmfare Best Supporting Actress Award for her role as model Rupali."
• Source #12 says "It Was Raining That Night" never got released. Shouldn't there be a footnote to mention this?
• I am not the right person to judge whether Bollywood Hungama is a reliable source. I'm going to assume it is, even though the article Bollywood Hungama has it as a gossip site.

That's it from me. Edwininlondon (talk) 17:16, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

25 Cents FC hasn't edited for almost two months. If no-one is willing to pick this nomination it'll need to be closed in the next few days. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I volunteer to take it up. MSG17 (talk) 14:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MSG17 thanks! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MSG17 I have done the easy edits, and marked them above as Done. There are a few comments that I could try to fix but I wouldn't trust myself being correct, so I left them. Edwininlondon (talk) 07:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edwininlondon Can you please have a look? I have replaced most of the 'Bollywood Hungama' sources and copy-edited the lead as well. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:44, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwininlondon and Yashthepunisher: Thanks for fixing the article's issues quickly. I thought I would do that today, but you both did a great job on addressing these problems. I don't know how reliable Apple TV and Vagabomb/ScoopWhoop as are encyclopedic sources, though, so I have replaced them with a Filmfare article.

• Support I have performed a bunch of changes since the nominator was inactive. I don't see any issues now. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New comments Edwininlondon

I had a fresh look at the article, given its numerous changes, and I'm sorry to say I have a few new comments:

• The body now does not mention the word Bollywood. This surprises me. Is this intentional? There are 6 sources that have Bollywood in the title, so it seems to me her work falls in the Bollywood category.
  • Although both Bollywood and Hollywood are well known and used in multiple contexts, filmography articles tend to use the more mundane descriptions of "American actor" or "Hindi cinema". I think this is because of practical reasons: American actors might work in the film industries of other countries, especially in the UK or Australia, and not as many readers might be familiar with the term Bollywood (then there would be the inevitable MOS discussion on whether to use the [x]ollywood name for other Indian film industries, such as Tollywood for Telugu or Bangla film).
• Sen appeared in supporting role --> I'm not a native speaker but I would write "in a supporting role"
  • Agreed, decided to spice up the prose a bit and reworked the sentence
• the inconsistent use of hyphens looks wrong to me. There are cases of words strong together without hyphens (e.g. romantic action film, fantasy comedy film) and others with hyphens (e.g. comedy-drama, ensemble heist-thriller, fifth highest-grossing Hindi film). When I have time I'll study MOS:HYPHEN, but hopefully one of the other reviewers is more experienced and can review it. It may all be okay, but I have my suspicions.
  • Removed hyphens in the case of genres. I decided to make "heist thrller" into "heist film" to reduce the repetition a bit as it is already an established genre. "Highest-grossing" is an example of the hyphen being needed for an adjective, see List of highest-grossing films.
• The film earned her --> repetition
  • @Edwininlondon: I don't see it, did something get changed after you made this comment? Can you be more specific?
• English-Bengali --> in the list below it is given as Bengali / English language film. Is there a reason for the different order? And for different spelling?
  • Changed it to "Bengali-English" (alphabetical order) for all occurrences. Delinked the languages because I think that it a case of overlinking not allowed by the MOS.
• I see there is far less reliance on Bollywood Hungama as a source, which is good but there are still a few left. I am not the right person to judge whether Bollywood Hungama is a reliable source but the Wiki article has it as a gossip site, which seems suspicious.
  • Bollywood Hungama is reliable as per WP:ICTFSOURCES and WP:ICTFFAQ, although I would prefer not to use it if there are better sources available, so I have replaced all occurences.

That's it. Edwininlondon (talk) 21:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwininlondon: Responded to all your comments. MSG17 (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good job in taking over the nomination. I have not checked the sources, but I do give my Support on prose.Edwininlondon (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted. --PresN 04:38, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): Mshb73 (talk) — Lulusword (talk) 07:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Hee-chul is a South Korean entertainer, originally known for his singing career but recently has been recognised for his role in variety shows. Seven of his television shows are currently airing. As actor, he had acted in a few television shows and music videos. He also had dabbled in directing and screenwriting music videos. The article is maintained by Mshb73, and I've only been editing it since last month to help with the lead, references and formatting since I've managed to get another article to FL before. Lulusword (talk) 07:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alexandra

• All images should have a brief piece of alt text attached
• Alvin and the Chipmunks should link to Alvin and the Chipmunks (film) (it does not currently in the lead)
• We should say "the South Korean dub of Alvin..." rather than "the South Korean version", as the latter could be interpreted as a South Korean remake of the film
• The image captions that are complete sentences (the ones for the three pictures under "Music videos") should have a period at the end; the three images of Kim have sentence fragments as captions and are already fine
• Even with the footnote for "avatar blind date", the concept is unclear to me - what do you mean when you say that a person is controlled by someone else?
• Speaking of - "Avatar blind date" refers to a situation in which the person who attended a date should be in present tense, correct?
• who takes part in Im entertaining antics and infectious dance. - I believe "Im" should be "Im's" here. Additionally, characterizing this as "entertaining antics and infectious dance" is non-neutral - rewrite without inserting opinions in Wikipedia's voice.
• that he can only see in his television screen. - "who he can only see on television."
• The music video presented LGBT issues - I believe this should be in present tense
• "mentally retarded" is considered an offensive term in modern English - switch to "developmentally disabled"

Please @ me when you have addressed the above, and I will take a second look. --Alexandra^IDV 13:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Alexandra IDV, Avatar blind date is sort of like a prank date, where a good looking man/woman (the avatar) went to the date in lieu of another person (the controller). The avatar will wear an earpiece and listen to instructions from the controller such as "tell her she looks pretty" or "ask her what's her favourite movie" etc. The goal is for the controller to essentially "go on a date" without having to show his face, and then reveal himself at the end of the date(s) if it/they went well. In the original version from the variety show, all participants know about it beforehand but in the music video, the woman lead have no idea. In the music video, the avatar (Kim Hee-chul) fall in love with the woman lead for real and decided to go out with her as himself in the end instead of being an avatar of another person. I honestly have no idea how to fit this whole explanation in the footnote haha. Other issues you pointed out had been addressed. :) Lulusword (talk) 07:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lulusword: Thank you, I've confirmed that the changes are implemented. Regarding the avatar date, I think something like In an "avatar blind date", one person attending is receiving instructions for how to act through an earpiece. might work.--Alexandra^IDV 18:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Alexandra IDV: Done. Lulusword (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Lulusword: Okay, looks good. Btw, since your edit, this was added without citing new sources - can you verify that these belong and add sources if so? After that is done, I will support this nomination.--Alexandra^IDV 07:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Alexandra IDV: Done! Lulusword (talk) 09:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support--Alexandra^IDV 10:36, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it is also good to list his Youtube appearances. (for instance on Jessi's channel, and his new youtube show on studio lululala) Dueltodeath^{User talk:Dueltodeath} 14:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dueltodeath Hi, heechul appeared in Jessi's channel as guest. About his new youtube show on studio lululala, i can't find reference. Mshb73 (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it's a new show with April's Naeun and Kim Poong. You can find it if you search Studio Lululala on youtube. Dueltodeath (talk) 04:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I watched his new show on YouTube. I think YouTube isn't acceptable sources. Mshb73 (talk) 17:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should't write "Mystery 6" and "Super Junior Mini-Drama" bc both of them are variety show and he was cameo. If they were drama we could include them. and i add his new show "School Meal". It was "Bangkok Chorus" -> "Stay-At-Home Chorus". and he was Contestant in "Immortal Songs: Singing the Legend" ep. 6.

Hello, I added the references for Immortal Songs but there isn't any news article about School Meal so it is non-notable. If there are any in the future, I will add it back. Lulusword (talk) 09:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I search about "Mystery 6" and "Super Junior Mini-Drama". "Mystery 6" is horror mockumentary so i'm not so sure about it. But "Super Junior Mini-Drama" was a variety game show and Heechul was a cameo so i think we should remove it from his list. Mshb73 (talk) 11:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He did appear in Mystery 6 although it is just a small part, so that should be listed, and I watched Super Junior Mini-Drama a bit, and see that he is only introduce in the opening credits so it can be removed, I guess. It's up to you, really, since you are more familiar with his work. Lulusword (talk) 13:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I removed Super Junior Mini-Drama from the list. Mshb73 (talk) 17:11, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lulusword Ok. Thanks.

@Lulusword I find this reference for Catering Restaurant (2020). -> (https://1boon.daum.net/studiolululala/10sikdang) Mshb73 (talk) 12:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm.. It looks like a blog post to me, so it's not a reliable source. Lulusword (talk) 00:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the only one who thinks it's so weird that no source can be found?!!! Mshb73 (talk) 12:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Heechul talked about hosting "Kim Hee Chul Is Coming" in episode 203 Knowing Bros but i can't find reference. Mshb73 (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should remove SJ Returns Season 2. Heechul isn't on it.

Thats a lot of references! Thanks for both of your's effort here – I'll do this soon, although it may be in chunks. Aza24 (talk) 08:46, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Retrieval dates look consistent – thank you
• You link Naver but no other publishers/websites? Consistency is best here, so either link all or none (you can also link only the first mentions)

Done. Mshb73 (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• For the episodes in 149, 150 & 151, I wonder if a timestamp could be included where the quote is from? Otherwise it's a little odd citing an entire episode.

I can't understand?! Mshb73 (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Mshb73, in refs 155b, 154b, 153a you have quotes, but you cite the entire episode. Similar to how we give page numbers when we cite books, I'm wondering if you can give a timestamp (e.g. how many minutes in the episode) for when each of the quotes are said to improve the ease of Wikipedia:Verifiability. Aza24 (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. (except: Morning Wide Season 3 - Episode 7056 , i can't find full episode) Mshb73 (talk) 19:05, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Aza24 (talk) 01:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Formatting is good otherwise
• Nothing stood out to me about the reliability of any sources Aza24 (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Mshb73, in the future I would highly recommend pinging the participants of your FLCs/FACs – it will result in faster responses and communication (for example, you may want to ping Hal below now that you've addressed his comments. Use {{ping|Name-of-user}} anyways, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 01:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. :) Mshb73 (talk)

• Found some non-source related things I thought I'd bring up:
• The prose of the lead is rather dry, mainly because way too many sentences begin with "He". I would think some of them should begin with "Kim" and some should begin with something entirely different. Otherwise, the prose reads rather robotic and choppy
• The note column of "Film performances" is sortable; assuming it shouldn't be, like the other note columns
• You may want to consider breaking up the long year row in TV shows to something like

  2005–2008, 2010,<br/> 2014–2015, 2017

• None of the TV shows sortable columns are sorting for me?
• For the rows in events with no "partner" (e.g. "HongKi <FM302> Solo Debut Showcase") you may want to add

   data-sort-value="ZZZZ" | 

  which will sort the empty ones to the bottom
• He plays in not A
• Is there a reason "Super Junior" is listed as "Super Junior 05" once?
• You link Super Junior everytime but not Cameo
• There are some appearances in TV with the season listed and some without, I would think having all of them with is ideal
• You could also link Pilot episode but idk Aza24 (talk) 03:48, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mostly fixed. I can't do sortable columns on TV shows too, i don't know why?! I didn't season listed some TV shows bc they don't have season. Mshb73 (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's looking better, there's still an unaddressed comment about "Super Junior 05" and the prose of the lead is still too robotic sounding with all of the "he"s. Also see my source review above this. Aza24 (talk) 22:38, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK. About "Super Junior 05" i wrote this note: Super Junior 05 was a 12-member project group, which debut on November 6, 2005.[22] In 2006, Following the addition of thirteenth member Kyuhyun, the group dropped the suffix "05" and officially named as Super Junior. Mshb73 (talk) 09:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'm willing to support, thanks for your changes. Though the source review above is still unresolved. Aza24 (talk) 04:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• Since the subject is a Korean, shouldn't the dates be in international format?

I think they are in international format!

• If you place the scope on the titles in the Music Video table, then why not do it throughout?

Done. Mshb73 (talk) 23:26, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. ~ HAL333 20:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HAL333 hasn't come back to this nomination, so I looked into the two issues; there is no "international format"- see Date format by country. While the reference dates seem "American" to me, South Korea seems to use e.g. "2021/01/28" or "2021년 1월 28일", but when writing in English uses American style (MDY), so that's all good. I can plainly see that the scope issue is sorted out, so I'm not going to wait for the reviewer to return just for that. Closing, promoted. --PresN 04:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s):  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 06:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it fits the featured list criteria and that it is similar in quality to other featured lists such as List of international goals scored by Sunil Chhetri and List of international goals scored by Miroslav Klose.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 06:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to Support. Kosack (talk) 21:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by WA8MTWAYC

• "He is also the most capped player for the Philippines" this is the third time in as many sentences you've written "the Philippines". I would write something like "for the country" to have some variation.
• "50 of Younghusband's international goals" avoid starting a sentence with a digit per MOS:NUM.
• Some refs are missing their publication dates: refs 2, 5, 8, 11, 28, 29, 31, 37, 38, 39.
• Equally, two refs are missing their retrieval dates: refs 10 and 42.
• What makes "globalsportsarchive.com" a reliable source? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @WA8MTWAYC: I believe I addressed your concerns. The only reason I used globalsportsarchive was because I couldn't find anything online about that match. It turns out though that Google News Archive has the Philippine Daily Inquirer, so I replaced it with that.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 19:59, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Bait30 Looks good to me. Well done! I give this list my support. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 20:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- MWright96 (talk) 13:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Glad to Support. ~ HAL333 23:17, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• "with the national team ... for the team" repetitive.
• What makes Rappler a RS?
  • It's considered generally reliable per WP:RS/PS.
• "His 12th international goal was" feels really odd talking about this before his debut/first goal are mentioned.
  • Yeah, it's out of order chronologically, but I felt it was a good place in terms of narrative.
• (AMAZING fact about his nationality being discovered by a gamer!!)
• I see ESPN saying In 2018, Younghusband used his right foot to lift the Philippine Azkals into its most prestigious tournament in its history so I would assume this should be worth covering here?
  • Good idea. Would make it easier to move the Miracle of Hanoi mention while keeping a good narrative.
• Worth noting that he retired age 32 and why (if possible) as that's young...
• Reference should be Reference(s).
• For aesthetics, normally the refs are centrally aligned in the table.
  • I can't figure out how to do this. It seems like it should be simple, but I can't find anything on applying a style to entire columns. I can only find how to do it to entire rows. Also, all the other "List of international goals..." featured list refs are left aligned. It's just hard to tell sometimes because they only use one ref per row.
    • Since I recently had to figure this out for my nomination for List of international goals scored by Manon Melis, I welcomed the opportunity to apply my new-found knowledge, and just did this. Edwininlondon (talk) 09:37, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Omg that looked like it took a bunch of work. Thank you so much!  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:37, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• "beat Laos 4-1" should be an en-dash.

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• The Rambling Man, I left some comments above. If I didn't leave a comment, that means I'm for sure gonna get working on that sometime this week.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 18:57, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Ok, The Rambling Man, let me know what you think.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 00:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

• Source #8 checks out the main list of goals
• #8 has game 2 as an ASEAN Games Qualifier instead of a 2007 AFF Championship qualification, which I assume are the same, do you know?
• others I checked are all fine: #2, #3, #4, #26, #27, #28, #29, #30, #31, #32, #33, #34
• In terms of reliability of sources: I was unfamiliar with quite a few, such as Rappler, but they all seem ok.

Edwininlondon (talk) 16:50, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Yeah, AFF stands for ASEAN Football Federation. It has changed names a couple of times throughout the years, so I think that website just uses "ASEAN Games" to keep it consistent. Rappler is considered reliable per WP:RSP. As an aside, you should watch A Thousand Cuts. It's a documentary about Rappler's editor-in-chief, Maria Ressa, and her battle against Rodrigo Duterte's efforts to silence journalists.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the explanation. I will look that documentary up, sounds interesting. Based on prose and source review, I Support this nomination. Edwininlondon (talk) 06:58, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 04:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): Alexandra^IDV 20:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again! Here is my third FLC in my World of Darkness project; I currently have another FLC up, which has two supports and no unresolved concerns. This time, I present a list of the books for the tabletop RPG Changeling: The Dreaming, in the same format as the previous Vampire list: it is organized by which edition the books were released for, and is complete with descriptive annotations for each entry. I welcome and appreciate any C&C, as I want these lists to be the best they can be. Thank you!--Alexandra^IDV 20:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• The current caption doesn't make clear the link between the picture and the content of the article. I guess the princess in the picture is a changeling? That needs to be clarified, as currently there's no obvious reason why the picture is in the article. Does that make sense?
• "not enough to warrant being developed on the higher budget White Wolf Publishing normally operated at" => "not enough to warrant being developed on the higher budget at which White Wolf Publishing normally operated"
• How come the 20th anniversary books don't have ISBNs?
• Think that's it from me...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:49, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ChrisTheDude: Thank you for your comments, I will respond to them in order:
  • Yes, it's a famous illustration from the children's story The Changelings - I have updated it to make it more clear. I chose this picture in part because it's a well known illustration in a similar art style to the CTD books, and in part because there are no freely-available CTD-specific images that we could use.
  • Thank you for the suggestion, I have implemented it.
  • Onyx Path is a smaller publisher that almost exclusively releases ebooks and print-on-demand books, without purchasing ISBNs for them - I believe the only book of theirs that actually has one is Chicago by Night.--Alexandra^IDV 12:20, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - reading this took me right back, BTW, I had a girlfriend who was massively into this game c.1995..... :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Heck yeah! ^_^--Alexandra^IDV 12:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support ~ HAL333 22:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you!--Alexandra^IDV 22:46, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by WA8MTWAYC

• Why was the 2017 release called "20th Anniversary Edition" when the game/first edition originally came out in 1995? (Nothing that needs amending here but I'm just curious)
• "which update the game rules" update --> updated?
• "books.[3][5] The books" this is repetitive

Otherwise it all looks good to me! WA8MTWAYC (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @WA8MTWAYC: Thank you for your comments, I will respond them below:
• I'm guessing it's a combination of: "20th Anniversary" is more marketable than than "22nd Anniversary"; uniformity with the earlier Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary Edition; and the crowdfunding campaign to finance the production did take place in 2015.
• Thanks, I've addressed this now - this is the kind of thing that easily happens when I write sentences out of order and move them around.--Alexandra^IDV 23:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the answers. Support - WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:43, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!--Alexandra^IDV 18:12, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support — concerns addressed. Sounds like a fun game! Haven't played any non-E games since... since... S-S-Scrabble. GeraldWL 11:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you!--Alexandra^IDV 11:58, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): WA8MTWAYC (talk) 09:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm nominating this quite a small list about Burnley Football Club's internationals. There aren't many lists of this kind, so I'm curious what you think of it. I'm looking forward to all feedback/reviews. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 09:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - might be worth archiving that page on the club website, as club websites are notorious for randomly changing URLs and/or deleting large chunks of content..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • ChrisTheDude Good shout, done now, especially since the club has had a new website since the beginning of this year and it has been kinda shaky. Thanks for your comments and support! WA8MTWAYC (talk) 09:49, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - A fine article that meets all the requirements for FL as far as I can see. Edwininlondon (talk) 13:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

• I'm not a sports fan, and was unfamiliar with "international" as a noun in this context. I kept reading the lead, but didn't get a clear idea of what it means; after reading Cap (sport) and the table caption, I'm assuming it's players who have played in international matches between teams of different countries? Please try to make this clear early in the lead - we should write for general audiences, and the FLC criteria requires a lead that "introduces the subject and defines the scope".
  • That's correct. I added a short line to introduce the subject. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• The link international football leads to a disambiguation page.
  • Removed. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• The prose and tables otherwise look good. Please ping me when you have addressed the above!--Alexandra^IDV 04:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Glad to hear that:) WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexandra IDV: Thank you very much for your time and review. I've addressed your points. Cheers, WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I have confirmed the changes, and I think the list looks good to go now!--Alexandra^IDV 11:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support--Alexandra^IDV 11:04, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Happy to Support this nomination. ~ HAL333 19:49, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please look at the alt text on the picture of Sam Vokes, it's too funny. Please fix. Games of the world (talk) 17:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Source review – The reliability and formatting of the sources look okay, and the link-checker tool shows no issues. The source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 04:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): RunningTiger123 (talk) 05:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Good Place is an American sitcom starring Kristen Bell and Ted Danson that finished its four-season run last January. It was acclaimed during its run, leading to a range of awards and nominations at both comedy and fantasy award ceremonies (a combination that isn't seen much, especially on network TV). I have worked hard to keep the formatting and sourcing strong since creating the list, and now that the show has finished airing and the awards for its final season have come in (barring any end-of-year nominations over the next few weeks), I think it's time to nominate this list for FL status. As always, any and all comments are welcome. RunningTiger123 (talk) 05:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

• I notice the mention on the talk page about a debate regarding linking an item every time it appears vs only the first time. My feeling is that it should be linked every time...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• I agree with Chris - lists are not necessarily read from top to bottom the same way regular prose-based articles are, and with sortable tables there is no guarantee that the "first" mention will be the first encountered even if one reads the entire list.--Alexandra^IDV 08:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added the duplicate wikilinks back. For what it's worth, that's what I personally prefer as well – someone else removed them and I didn't want to get drawn into a long argument over it. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:46, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - I made a change to the alt text for the title card (feel free to tweak the specific wording), but otherwise this all looks good.--Alexandra^IDV 10:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Everything looks good to me. ~ HAL333 00:04, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - All sourced, all references are archived, and the article's lead is in excellent shape. Great work! Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 00:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support my comments addressed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:28, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Generally support this article as a fine list with good prose, meets the FLC IMO. Below are just some small concerns.

• (Note A) It would be better to relocate the internal citations. For example, in the Season One bullet, "Season 1 holds a 92% approval rating based on 73 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes[4] and a score of 78 based on 32 reviews on Metacritic.[5]"
  • Done.
• The alt text has "green background" on it. Perhaps "lime background" to be more specific?
  • Changed to "lime-green background"
• Perhaps have a caption that reads, "Title screen of the series"?
  • Caption now reads "Title card of the series"
• (Nom 3) Link foley artist?
  • Done. (Link also added in Nom 5)

GeraldWL 17:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerald Waldo Luis: I've made the changes you suggested and added some comments above. Let me know what you think. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RunningTiger123, all good now. Feel free to collapse my comments if you want to. GeraldWL 18:02, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): Birdienest81 (talk) 08:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Big Short is a 2015 American biographical comedy-drama film directed by Adam McKay and produced by Brad Pitt, Dede Gardner, Jeremy Kleiner, and Arnon Milchan. It was written by McKay and Charles Randolph. The film stars Christian Bale, Steve Carell, Ryan Gosling, and Pitt. Based on Michael Lewis's novel of the same name, the film chronicles how events during the United States housing bubble led inadvertently to the 2007-08 financial crisis. This is my third film accolades list I am attempting to promote, and I largely based the format off of the accolades lists for The Artist and 1917 which were promoted in October 2015 and November 2020, respectively. I will gladly accept your comments to improve this list. Birdienest81 (talk) 08:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Nice work! RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:48, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Alexandra

• The picture lacks alt text.

• There is an alt text description in the "alt1=" field of the infobox (it is underneath the "image_size" field and above "caption" field. Furthermore, according to WP:ALT#Importance of context, alt text shouldn't describe what kind of clothes the person is wearing or what action the person is doing unless this is a fashion article. I've used to do that for former articles, but someone pointed my errors in this previous FLC (see comments under FrankBoy fifth bullet point).

• The parameter is simply alt - the added 1 made it not show up. I have fixed it now, but previously the text associated with the image showed as "File:Adam McKay (cropped).jpg"--Alexandra^IDV 09:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• the 2007-08 financial crisis - write this out a 2007–2008 (note the en-dash, –). See MOS:DATERANGE.

• Fixed: I used the article version of title complete with an en-dash using symbols template under special characters.

• Would it be possible to make the date column a wider? On my monitor at least, almost every single entry has a linebreak because of this, nearly doubling the vertical length of the table. There is a lot of blank space in the recipients column, so shortening it for the sake of this shouldn't disturb the table much.

• Fixed: Added style width to of 100px to Date of ceremony column. Now all dates should be one line only.

• Looks good otherwise - please ping me when you have addressed the above and I will take another look.--Alexandra^IDV 14:53, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexandra IDV: I have addressed all your comments. Thanks for the feedback.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 09:13, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support--Alexandra^IDV 09:20, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support sorry for not getting back to you sooner, good luck. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 00:16, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• ref 33 missing author
• ref 42 missing author
• ref 46 missing author as well
• ref 49 missing date
• ref 51 missing date
• formatting and reliabillity looks good otherwise. Aza24 (talk) 20:38, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Done: I addressed all your comments promptly. Thank you for your feedback.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 05:42, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, thank you! Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 22:59, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 04:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator(s): ~ HAL333 01:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is another attempt at a biological list. If it passes the nomination process, this will be the first featured list covering biochemistry. I find it very interesting that the pageviews for this article peak during working days of a week - I take that to mean that it is used by students. ~ HAL333 01:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

• The table seems to me to be only using colour to denote the Amino-acid biochemical properties of each codon. Using only colour in this way contravenes MOS:ACCESS#Color, so you will need to add some form of symbol as well.......

@HAL333: you seem to have added the symbols to the keys but not to all the tables......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I haven't gotten to that yet. ~ HAL333 21:18, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:27, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now it's  Done ~ HAL333 03:04, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ChrisTheDude Ignoring the 3c question - which you don't have to comment on - does everything else in this list hold up to the featured list criteria? ~ HAL333 18:53, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, although I admit reading it fried my brain a bit :-) Are you going to proceed with this nom? I notice below you seem to be leaning towards withdrawal......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give it a bit more time. If this list is still moribund when I finish the list I am currently working on, I'll withdraw this one. ~ HAL333

Comments

It's been quite the journey watching this page evolve, and it's in a much different place now than it was before when I made my initial comments (see below). With the changes that have been made, this page is now much more comprehensive and stands on its own. I'm happy to change my earlier vote to support. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The old version of Genetic code had all of this content and was not so long as to require a split. I'm confused why a separate article is necessary and this needed to be removed from it; it should be merged back. Reywas92^Talk 23:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it didn't have the DNA codon table. It was more of a CONTENTSPLIT than a SIZESPLIT. And there is a precedent in usage. It is similar to Protein and List of proteins, Carboxylic acid and List of carboxylic acids, etc. ~ HAL333 06:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They're the exact same thing except T is swapped out for U, I'm not sure you even need both of them in the first place, and the DNA table would still fit back in the main article. This fails criterion 3c, sorry. Reywas92^Talk 01:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A deletion discussion regarding this article reached a consensus to keep. ~ HAL333 20:32, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reading the AfD, it sounds like the page was kept because the content should be included somewhere, but it was not clear if the content should stay on its own page or be merged. (When the AfD discussion was closed, it was noted that whether to merge this into Genetic Code is an editorial decision that deosn't need an admin to enforce.) I personally think that the alternate codon table provides enough content to support a separate page, but I also understand why Reywas92 is concerned about criterion 3c – that's why I requested a second opinion earlier. RunningTiger123 (talk) 21:27, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The way I feel about it is that these two articles appeal to two different audiences. A reader of Genetic code is there to understand the fundamental principles and processes and general background. They do not need to know that an RNA sequence of UGG corresponds to Tryptophan. The simple point of the gentic code is that unique sequences of nucleotide triplets are translated into an amino acid. For example, gradeschoolers are only taught the basic fundementals of the genetic code in their classes. They are never compelled to memorize the 64 triplets. This list has a clear utilitarian function that is separate from Genetic code. If a reader of the Genetic code wants to get into the specifics, they may visit the "See also" link to this article. For what it's worth, I have yet to see an IP editor complain about the absence of codon tables on the Genetic code talk page. ~ HAL333 23:57, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]